“Claire”-ifying the Davis Enterprise Story on Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald’s Candidacy for Davis City Council

Editor’s note: My wife Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald has been considering a run for the Davis City Council. In order to avoid appearance of a conflict of interest, Doug Paul Davis will not be covering the Davis City Council campaign and instead, will have at some point another permanent writer who will specifically cover the city council election if she launches a formal candidacy. I have posted an article submitted by Rebecca Wu on this topic.
The Davis Enterprise announced last night in an above-the-fold story on the front page, that “Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald has filed papers with the Davis city clerk’s office to run for City Council in 2008.”

In fact, Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald has filed the form 410 with the State’s Secretary of State’s Office several weeks ago. However, the Davis city clerk’s office just received it. The form 410 creates a committee for the purposes of raising money and does not in fact indicate that she has filed papers to run for the City Council. An official announcement of her plans will occur in the future.

Mayor Sue Greenwald has expressed concern that the similarity in names could cause confusion among Davis voters.

“In all honesty, having two candidates running in the same election with the same last name could cause confusion to many voters as to which candidate is which… Of course, anyone has the right to run, but I was hoping that Cecilia would either run under her maiden name of Escamilla, by which she was known for many years in Davis political circles, or wait two years until the next election.”

Escamilla-Greenwald responded that “she’d prefer that her last name not become a campaign issue.”

“Everyone knows me as Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald… I don’t want to get into a discussion of my name. I got married five years ago, and I’ve had my husband’s name ever since then. I go by, professionally and personally, Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald.”

In looking to the past history of voters we might find that two candidates with the same last name will not effect an election in Davis.

If we look at the 2000 Davis City Council elections, we notice that among the eight candidates on the ballot were Susie Boyd, a sitting Councilmember, and Joe Boyd. Did the same last name cause confusion among voters? It does not look to be an issue. Susie Boyd finished first to become Mayor Pro Tem with a record 9015 votes, while Joe Boyd finished a distant seventh out of eight candidate with 5590.

1980-2006 Davis Council Election Results

Source: John Lofland, Davis City Council Elections, 1917-2000. Yolo County Historical Society, 2001, page 9.

Moreover, the names on the ballot will be Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald, labor relations representative and Sue Greenwald, Mayor. It seems from both common sense and historical evidence, that the Mayor’s fears are unfounded. Mayor Greenwald is a well-known and well-respected figure in Davis politics and she will likely have no negative consequences from such a run.

—Rebecca Wu, special to the Vanguard

About The Author

David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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476 thoughts on ““Claire”-ifying the Davis Enterprise Story on Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald’s Candidacy for Davis City Council”

  1. Great and Small

    The Enterprise reported something incorrectly? I am shocked.

    And I’m still trying to figure something out…. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is not the same person as Sue Greenwald?

    Could someone please fully explain how they are not the same person?

    -sarcastically confused.

  2. Great and Small

    The Enterprise reported something incorrectly? I am shocked.

    And I’m still trying to figure something out…. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is not the same person as Sue Greenwald?

    Could someone please fully explain how they are not the same person?

    -sarcastically confused.

  3. Great and Small

    The Enterprise reported something incorrectly? I am shocked.

    And I’m still trying to figure something out…. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is not the same person as Sue Greenwald?

    Could someone please fully explain how they are not the same person?

    -sarcastically confused.

  4. Great and Small

    The Enterprise reported something incorrectly? I am shocked.

    And I’m still trying to figure something out…. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is not the same person as Sue Greenwald?

    Could someone please fully explain how they are not the same person?

    -sarcastically confused.

  5. this just in...

    (DAVIS) – Sue Greenwald announces she’s requesting Cecilia Escamillia Greenwald to change her name back, after changing it to Happy Fuzzy Bunny No-Growth.

    “This is clearly an attempt to gain votes by changing her name into a campaign slogan!” Greenwald said.
    “If she doesn’t change it back, I’m going to be forced to change mine to Trader Joe’s But Not Necessarily In That Location!”

    Local voters polled at the Farmer’s Market anticipate several candidate name-changes over the course of the campaign season, and have no problem with that.

    “It’s just easier, in this fast-paced world, to not have to read BOTH their name and their platform,” said Phil Who Bikes to Farmer’s Market To Protest Oil Wars.

    “I agree.” said Phil’s life-partner, named Phil’s Life Partner.

  6. this just in...

    (DAVIS) – Sue Greenwald announces she’s requesting Cecilia Escamillia Greenwald to change her name back, after changing it to Happy Fuzzy Bunny No-Growth.

    “This is clearly an attempt to gain votes by changing her name into a campaign slogan!” Greenwald said.
    “If she doesn’t change it back, I’m going to be forced to change mine to Trader Joe’s But Not Necessarily In That Location!”

    Local voters polled at the Farmer’s Market anticipate several candidate name-changes over the course of the campaign season, and have no problem with that.

    “It’s just easier, in this fast-paced world, to not have to read BOTH their name and their platform,” said Phil Who Bikes to Farmer’s Market To Protest Oil Wars.

    “I agree.” said Phil’s life-partner, named Phil’s Life Partner.

  7. this just in...

    (DAVIS) – Sue Greenwald announces she’s requesting Cecilia Escamillia Greenwald to change her name back, after changing it to Happy Fuzzy Bunny No-Growth.

    “This is clearly an attempt to gain votes by changing her name into a campaign slogan!” Greenwald said.
    “If she doesn’t change it back, I’m going to be forced to change mine to Trader Joe’s But Not Necessarily In That Location!”

    Local voters polled at the Farmer’s Market anticipate several candidate name-changes over the course of the campaign season, and have no problem with that.

    “It’s just easier, in this fast-paced world, to not have to read BOTH their name and their platform,” said Phil Who Bikes to Farmer’s Market To Protest Oil Wars.

    “I agree.” said Phil’s life-partner, named Phil’s Life Partner.

  8. this just in...

    (DAVIS) – Sue Greenwald announces she’s requesting Cecilia Escamillia Greenwald to change her name back, after changing it to Happy Fuzzy Bunny No-Growth.

    “This is clearly an attempt to gain votes by changing her name into a campaign slogan!” Greenwald said.
    “If she doesn’t change it back, I’m going to be forced to change mine to Trader Joe’s But Not Necessarily In That Location!”

    Local voters polled at the Farmer’s Market anticipate several candidate name-changes over the course of the campaign season, and have no problem with that.

    “It’s just easier, in this fast-paced world, to not have to read BOTH their name and their platform,” said Phil Who Bikes to Farmer’s Market To Protest Oil Wars.

    “I agree.” said Phil’s life-partner, named Phil’s Life Partner.

  9. Matt Williams

    Sue did say in a comment on this Blog a day or so ago that she would be posting something that DPD wouldn’t like. I guess this is that something.

    IMHO, something it is not.

  10. Matt Williams

    Sue did say in a comment on this Blog a day or so ago that she would be posting something that DPD wouldn’t like. I guess this is that something.

    IMHO, something it is not.

  11. Matt Williams

    Sue did say in a comment on this Blog a day or so ago that she would be posting something that DPD wouldn’t like. I guess this is that something.

    IMHO, something it is not.

  12. Matt Williams

    Sue did say in a comment on this Blog a day or so ago that she would be posting something that DPD wouldn’t like. I guess this is that something.

    IMHO, something it is not.

  13. Sue Greenwald

    1. Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.

    2. Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.

    People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.

    Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.

    For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.

  14. Sue Greenwald

    1. Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.

    2. Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.

    People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.

    Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.

    For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.

  15. Sue Greenwald

    1. Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.

    2. Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.

    People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.

    Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.

    For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.

  16. Sue Greenwald

    1. Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.

    2. Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.

    People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.

    Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.

    For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.

  17. Anonymous

    I think that we are already getting the flavor in these postings of what is to come with this same-name bru-ha-ha… namely unending sarcasm and ridicule.. Bob Dunning is licking his chops in anticipation of all the sarcastic, snide commentary that he will be able to vomit up.. The 2008 election may be the most important one we have had in decades with regard to what kind of a community we will have in 2020.. There are serious issues for the voters to consider and press their Council candidates to talk about.. not be distracted by this side-show.

  18. Anonymous

    I think that we are already getting the flavor in these postings of what is to come with this same-name bru-ha-ha… namely unending sarcasm and ridicule.. Bob Dunning is licking his chops in anticipation of all the sarcastic, snide commentary that he will be able to vomit up.. The 2008 election may be the most important one we have had in decades with regard to what kind of a community we will have in 2020.. There are serious issues for the voters to consider and press their Council candidates to talk about.. not be distracted by this side-show.

  19. Anonymous

    I think that we are already getting the flavor in these postings of what is to come with this same-name bru-ha-ha… namely unending sarcasm and ridicule.. Bob Dunning is licking his chops in anticipation of all the sarcastic, snide commentary that he will be able to vomit up.. The 2008 election may be the most important one we have had in decades with regard to what kind of a community we will have in 2020.. There are serious issues for the voters to consider and press their Council candidates to talk about.. not be distracted by this side-show.

  20. Anonymous

    I think that we are already getting the flavor in these postings of what is to come with this same-name bru-ha-ha… namely unending sarcasm and ridicule.. Bob Dunning is licking his chops in anticipation of all the sarcastic, snide commentary that he will be able to vomit up.. The 2008 election may be the most important one we have had in decades with regard to what kind of a community we will have in 2020.. There are serious issues for the voters to consider and press their Council candidates to talk about.. not be distracted by this side-show.

  21. 無名 - wu ming

    someone must have hacked sue greenwald’s computer account, as noone halfway reasonable would be seriously trying to call dibs on a surname for a city council race.

    when i saw the article, my first thought was “sweet, now maybe david greenwald will get in the race, and we can have an all-greenwald election!”

  22. 無名 - wu ming

    someone must have hacked sue greenwald’s computer account, as noone halfway reasonable would be seriously trying to call dibs on a surname for a city council race.

    when i saw the article, my first thought was “sweet, now maybe david greenwald will get in the race, and we can have an all-greenwald election!”

  23. 無名 - wu ming

    someone must have hacked sue greenwald’s computer account, as noone halfway reasonable would be seriously trying to call dibs on a surname for a city council race.

    when i saw the article, my first thought was “sweet, now maybe david greenwald will get in the race, and we can have an all-greenwald election!”

  24. 無名 - wu ming

    someone must have hacked sue greenwald’s computer account, as noone halfway reasonable would be seriously trying to call dibs on a surname for a city council race.

    when i saw the article, my first thought was “sweet, now maybe david greenwald will get in the race, and we can have an all-greenwald election!”

  25. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    I think anyone who runs for political office in the City of Davis should be required to change their last name to Greenwald.

    Lets make it a city law.

  26. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    I think anyone who runs for political office in the City of Davis should be required to change their last name to Greenwald.

    Lets make it a city law.

  27. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    I think anyone who runs for political office in the City of Davis should be required to change their last name to Greenwald.

    Lets make it a city law.

  28. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    I think anyone who runs for political office in the City of Davis should be required to change their last name to Greenwald.

    Lets make it a city law.

  29. John Greenwald

    I’d now like to take this opportunity to announce my candidacy for City Council.
    My real name is not important. What I’m called, is.
    It will be an ‘all Greenwald’ election. Hopefully choice voting as well. You will be able to rank your Greenwalds!

  30. John Greenwald

    I’d now like to take this opportunity to announce my candidacy for City Council.
    My real name is not important. What I’m called, is.
    It will be an ‘all Greenwald’ election. Hopefully choice voting as well. You will be able to rank your Greenwalds!

  31. John Greenwald

    I’d now like to take this opportunity to announce my candidacy for City Council.
    My real name is not important. What I’m called, is.
    It will be an ‘all Greenwald’ election. Hopefully choice voting as well. You will be able to rank your Greenwalds!

  32. John Greenwald

    I’d now like to take this opportunity to announce my candidacy for City Council.
    My real name is not important. What I’m called, is.
    It will be an ‘all Greenwald’ election. Hopefully choice voting as well. You will be able to rank your Greenwalds!

  33. history

    Didn’t Helen Thomson run against another Thompson (though in all fairness, her opponent had a ‘p’ in Thompson)?

    Place Cecellia and Sue in the same room and tell me you’ll confuse them…go ahead….

  34. history

    Didn’t Helen Thomson run against another Thompson (though in all fairness, her opponent had a ‘p’ in Thompson)?

    Place Cecellia and Sue in the same room and tell me you’ll confuse them…go ahead….

  35. history

    Didn’t Helen Thomson run against another Thompson (though in all fairness, her opponent had a ‘p’ in Thompson)?

    Place Cecellia and Sue in the same room and tell me you’ll confuse them…go ahead….

  36. history

    Didn’t Helen Thomson run against another Thompson (though in all fairness, her opponent had a ‘p’ in Thompson)?

    Place Cecellia and Sue in the same room and tell me you’ll confuse them…go ahead….

  37. Ted Greenwald

    Here are some of my more famous relatives:

    Grand Rabbi Moshe Greenwald – founder of a Hasidic dynasty within Judaism in the town Pápa, in Hungary.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald – son of the founder.

    Grand Rabbi Yosef Greenwald – son of Yaakov.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald II – son of Yosef.

    Grand Rabbi Yisrael Menachem Greenwald – brother of Yaakov II and son of Yosef.

    Alex Greenwald – musician and actor, best known as the lead singer of the rock band Phantom Planet.

    Andy Greenwald – writer of social commentary, specifically about popular music. He is currently a senior contributing writer at Spin Magazine.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald – labor organizer, controversial former chairperson of the Davis Human Relations Commission and wife of David Greenwald.

    David Escamilla Greenwald – blogger, activist in Davis, CA and husband of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald.

    Glenn Greenwald – attorney, best-selling author of How Would a Patriot Act?, political and legal blogger, and columnist at Salon Magazine.

    Hank Greenwald – former Major League Baseball announcer, best known as the play-by-play announcer for the San Francisco Giants.

    Louis Greenwald – Democratic Party politician, who has served in the New Jersey General Assembly since 1996, where he represents the 6th legislative district.

    Maggie Greenwald – film director and writer, most recognized for writing and directing Songcatcher (2000) and The Ballad of Little Jo (1993).

    Milton Greenwald (aka Michael Kidd) – film and stage choreographer, noted for the film Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, for which he designed a series of energetic dances depicting ordinary frontier activities, including a barn raising. He also choreographed Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse in the celebrated Girl Hunt Ballet from the 1953 musical film The Band Wagon.

    Nora Kristina Greenwald – better known by her ring name, Molly Holly, is an inactive American professional wrestler.

    Robert Greenwald – film director, producer and political activist recently noted for his documentaries critical of Fox News and of the Bush Administration, as well as numerous award-winning television movies from the 1980s and 1990s.

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    Alfred Grünwald – Austrian author, librettist, and lyricist.

    Jennifer Grünwald — editor for Marvel Comics, working primarily in the trades and collections department of Marvel Entertainment’s publishing division since 2002, is a credited editor on several of Marvel’s titles including many of Marvel’s recent Official Handbooks.

    Johannes Theodor Baargeld, pseudonym of Alfred Emanuel Ferdinand Grünwald – painter and poet who, together with Max Ernst, founded the Cologne Dada group.

    Mark Gruenwald – comic book writer and editor.

    Malchiel Gruenwald – Israeli hotelier, amateur journalist and stamp collector.

    Peter Gruenwald – a German-American from Bushwick, Brooklyn who was Lufthansa cargo agent at JFK Airport. He was a co-worker and close friend of cargo supervisor Louis Werner who would plan with him a robbery of $22,000 and later the more famous 1978 Lufthansa heist.

  38. Ted Greenwald

    Here are some of my more famous relatives:

    Grand Rabbi Moshe Greenwald – founder of a Hasidic dynasty within Judaism in the town Pápa, in Hungary.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald – son of the founder.

    Grand Rabbi Yosef Greenwald – son of Yaakov.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald II – son of Yosef.

    Grand Rabbi Yisrael Menachem Greenwald – brother of Yaakov II and son of Yosef.

    Alex Greenwald – musician and actor, best known as the lead singer of the rock band Phantom Planet.

    Andy Greenwald – writer of social commentary, specifically about popular music. He is currently a senior contributing writer at Spin Magazine.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald – labor organizer, controversial former chairperson of the Davis Human Relations Commission and wife of David Greenwald.

    David Escamilla Greenwald – blogger, activist in Davis, CA and husband of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald.

    Glenn Greenwald – attorney, best-selling author of How Would a Patriot Act?, political and legal blogger, and columnist at Salon Magazine.

    Hank Greenwald – former Major League Baseball announcer, best known as the play-by-play announcer for the San Francisco Giants.

    Louis Greenwald – Democratic Party politician, who has served in the New Jersey General Assembly since 1996, where he represents the 6th legislative district.

    Maggie Greenwald – film director and writer, most recognized for writing and directing Songcatcher (2000) and The Ballad of Little Jo (1993).

    Milton Greenwald (aka Michael Kidd) – film and stage choreographer, noted for the film Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, for which he designed a series of energetic dances depicting ordinary frontier activities, including a barn raising. He also choreographed Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse in the celebrated Girl Hunt Ballet from the 1953 musical film The Band Wagon.

    Nora Kristina Greenwald – better known by her ring name, Molly Holly, is an inactive American professional wrestler.

    Robert Greenwald – film director, producer and political activist recently noted for his documentaries critical of Fox News and of the Bush Administration, as well as numerous award-winning television movies from the 1980s and 1990s.

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    Alfred Grünwald – Austrian author, librettist, and lyricist.

    Jennifer Grünwald — editor for Marvel Comics, working primarily in the trades and collections department of Marvel Entertainment’s publishing division since 2002, is a credited editor on several of Marvel’s titles including many of Marvel’s recent Official Handbooks.

    Johannes Theodor Baargeld, pseudonym of Alfred Emanuel Ferdinand Grünwald – painter and poet who, together with Max Ernst, founded the Cologne Dada group.

    Mark Gruenwald – comic book writer and editor.

    Malchiel Gruenwald – Israeli hotelier, amateur journalist and stamp collector.

    Peter Gruenwald – a German-American from Bushwick, Brooklyn who was Lufthansa cargo agent at JFK Airport. He was a co-worker and close friend of cargo supervisor Louis Werner who would plan with him a robbery of $22,000 and later the more famous 1978 Lufthansa heist.

  39. Ted Greenwald

    Here are some of my more famous relatives:

    Grand Rabbi Moshe Greenwald – founder of a Hasidic dynasty within Judaism in the town Pápa, in Hungary.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald – son of the founder.

    Grand Rabbi Yosef Greenwald – son of Yaakov.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald II – son of Yosef.

    Grand Rabbi Yisrael Menachem Greenwald – brother of Yaakov II and son of Yosef.

    Alex Greenwald – musician and actor, best known as the lead singer of the rock band Phantom Planet.

    Andy Greenwald – writer of social commentary, specifically about popular music. He is currently a senior contributing writer at Spin Magazine.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald – labor organizer, controversial former chairperson of the Davis Human Relations Commission and wife of David Greenwald.

    David Escamilla Greenwald – blogger, activist in Davis, CA and husband of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald.

    Glenn Greenwald – attorney, best-selling author of How Would a Patriot Act?, political and legal blogger, and columnist at Salon Magazine.

    Hank Greenwald – former Major League Baseball announcer, best known as the play-by-play announcer for the San Francisco Giants.

    Louis Greenwald – Democratic Party politician, who has served in the New Jersey General Assembly since 1996, where he represents the 6th legislative district.

    Maggie Greenwald – film director and writer, most recognized for writing and directing Songcatcher (2000) and The Ballad of Little Jo (1993).

    Milton Greenwald (aka Michael Kidd) – film and stage choreographer, noted for the film Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, for which he designed a series of energetic dances depicting ordinary frontier activities, including a barn raising. He also choreographed Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse in the celebrated Girl Hunt Ballet from the 1953 musical film The Band Wagon.

    Nora Kristina Greenwald – better known by her ring name, Molly Holly, is an inactive American professional wrestler.

    Robert Greenwald – film director, producer and political activist recently noted for his documentaries critical of Fox News and of the Bush Administration, as well as numerous award-winning television movies from the 1980s and 1990s.

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    Alfred Grünwald – Austrian author, librettist, and lyricist.

    Jennifer Grünwald — editor for Marvel Comics, working primarily in the trades and collections department of Marvel Entertainment’s publishing division since 2002, is a credited editor on several of Marvel’s titles including many of Marvel’s recent Official Handbooks.

    Johannes Theodor Baargeld, pseudonym of Alfred Emanuel Ferdinand Grünwald – painter and poet who, together with Max Ernst, founded the Cologne Dada group.

    Mark Gruenwald – comic book writer and editor.

    Malchiel Gruenwald – Israeli hotelier, amateur journalist and stamp collector.

    Peter Gruenwald – a German-American from Bushwick, Brooklyn who was Lufthansa cargo agent at JFK Airport. He was a co-worker and close friend of cargo supervisor Louis Werner who would plan with him a robbery of $22,000 and later the more famous 1978 Lufthansa heist.

  40. Ted Greenwald

    Here are some of my more famous relatives:

    Grand Rabbi Moshe Greenwald – founder of a Hasidic dynasty within Judaism in the town Pápa, in Hungary.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald – son of the founder.

    Grand Rabbi Yosef Greenwald – son of Yaakov.

    Grand Rabbi Yaakov Chizkiah Greenwald II – son of Yosef.

    Grand Rabbi Yisrael Menachem Greenwald – brother of Yaakov II and son of Yosef.

    Alex Greenwald – musician and actor, best known as the lead singer of the rock band Phantom Planet.

    Andy Greenwald – writer of social commentary, specifically about popular music. He is currently a senior contributing writer at Spin Magazine.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald – labor organizer, controversial former chairperson of the Davis Human Relations Commission and wife of David Greenwald.

    David Escamilla Greenwald – blogger, activist in Davis, CA and husband of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald.

    Glenn Greenwald – attorney, best-selling author of How Would a Patriot Act?, political and legal blogger, and columnist at Salon Magazine.

    Hank Greenwald – former Major League Baseball announcer, best known as the play-by-play announcer for the San Francisco Giants.

    Louis Greenwald – Democratic Party politician, who has served in the New Jersey General Assembly since 1996, where he represents the 6th legislative district.

    Maggie Greenwald – film director and writer, most recognized for writing and directing Songcatcher (2000) and The Ballad of Little Jo (1993).

    Milton Greenwald (aka Michael Kidd) – film and stage choreographer, noted for the film Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, for which he designed a series of energetic dances depicting ordinary frontier activities, including a barn raising. He also choreographed Fred Astaire and Cyd Charisse in the celebrated Girl Hunt Ballet from the 1953 musical film The Band Wagon.

    Nora Kristina Greenwald – better known by her ring name, Molly Holly, is an inactive American professional wrestler.

    Robert Greenwald – film director, producer and political activist recently noted for his documentaries critical of Fox News and of the Bush Administration, as well as numerous award-winning television movies from the 1980s and 1990s.

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    Alfred Grünwald – Austrian author, librettist, and lyricist.

    Jennifer Grünwald — editor for Marvel Comics, working primarily in the trades and collections department of Marvel Entertainment’s publishing division since 2002, is a credited editor on several of Marvel’s titles including many of Marvel’s recent Official Handbooks.

    Johannes Theodor Baargeld, pseudonym of Alfred Emanuel Ferdinand Grünwald – painter and poet who, together with Max Ernst, founded the Cologne Dada group.

    Mark Gruenwald – comic book writer and editor.

    Malchiel Gruenwald – Israeli hotelier, amateur journalist and stamp collector.

    Peter Gruenwald – a German-American from Bushwick, Brooklyn who was Lufthansa cargo agent at JFK Airport. He was a co-worker and close friend of cargo supervisor Louis Werner who would plan with him a robbery of $22,000 and later the more famous 1978 Lufthansa heist.

  41. Matt Williams

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    One possible solution to this problem is for one candidate to run as Sue Syvanen.

    Seriously, this sounds like the Coke-Pepsi Challenge. Bottom-line of that competition was that both companies saw sales of their products soar. Perhaps Sue sees this name war as a way to increase Greenwald name recognition for both candidates.

  42. Matt Williams

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    One possible solution to this problem is for one candidate to run as Sue Syvanen.

    Seriously, this sounds like the Coke-Pepsi Challenge. Bottom-line of that competition was that both companies saw sales of their products soar. Perhaps Sue sees this name war as a way to increase Greenwald name recognition for both candidates.

  43. Matt Williams

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    One possible solution to this problem is for one candidate to run as Sue Syvanen.

    Seriously, this sounds like the Coke-Pepsi Challenge. Bottom-line of that competition was that both companies saw sales of their products soar. Perhaps Sue sees this name war as a way to increase Greenwald name recognition for both candidates.

  44. Matt Williams

    Sue Greenwald – mayor of Davis, wife of microbiologist Mike Syvanen and mother-in-denial of David Greenwald.

    One possible solution to this problem is for one candidate to run as Sue Syvanen.

    Seriously, this sounds like the Coke-Pepsi Challenge. Bottom-line of that competition was that both companies saw sales of their products soar. Perhaps Sue sees this name war as a way to increase Greenwald name recognition for both candidates.

  45. progressive observer

    The candidacy of the Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald would be a refreshing change for our community. I and many others in Davis are encouraging Cecilia to run for the city council. The Davis Vanguard and many progressives, including myself, have supported Sue Greenwald over the years. The phony issue being introduced by Sue Greenwald of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald using her married name in her campaign for the city council is a red herring tactic thought-up by an insecure woman who happens to be mayor of our city. Cecilia, you go girl! We need you on the Davis City Council.

  46. progressive observer

    The candidacy of the Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald would be a refreshing change for our community. I and many others in Davis are encouraging Cecilia to run for the city council. The Davis Vanguard and many progressives, including myself, have supported Sue Greenwald over the years. The phony issue being introduced by Sue Greenwald of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald using her married name in her campaign for the city council is a red herring tactic thought-up by an insecure woman who happens to be mayor of our city. Cecilia, you go girl! We need you on the Davis City Council.

  47. progressive observer

    The candidacy of the Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald would be a refreshing change for our community. I and many others in Davis are encouraging Cecilia to run for the city council. The Davis Vanguard and many progressives, including myself, have supported Sue Greenwald over the years. The phony issue being introduced by Sue Greenwald of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald using her married name in her campaign for the city council is a red herring tactic thought-up by an insecure woman who happens to be mayor of our city. Cecilia, you go girl! We need you on the Davis City Council.

  48. progressive observer

    The candidacy of the Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald would be a refreshing change for our community. I and many others in Davis are encouraging Cecilia to run for the city council. The Davis Vanguard and many progressives, including myself, have supported Sue Greenwald over the years. The phony issue being introduced by Sue Greenwald of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald using her married name in her campaign for the city council is a red herring tactic thought-up by an insecure woman who happens to be mayor of our city. Cecilia, you go girl! We need you on the Davis City Council.

  49. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    Don Shor said…
    Any questions?
    Yes: how do they differ on the issues?
    8/3/07 4:19 PM

    We will get to that. We are not finished having fun with the name issue yet.

  50. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    Don Shor said…
    Any questions?
    Yes: how do they differ on the issues?
    8/3/07 4:19 PM

    We will get to that. We are not finished having fun with the name issue yet.

  51. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    Don Shor said…
    Any questions?
    Yes: how do they differ on the issues?
    8/3/07 4:19 PM

    We will get to that. We are not finished having fun with the name issue yet.

  52. Anonymous

    Burt said…

    Don Shor said…
    Any questions?
    Yes: how do they differ on the issues?
    8/3/07 4:19 PM

    We will get to that. We are not finished having fun with the name issue yet.

  53. Sue Greenwald

    In all honesty Matt, if Cecilia had been an incumbent and I had really wanted to run, of course I would have run as Sue Syvanen. It’s a no brainer.

  54. Sue Greenwald

    In all honesty Matt, if Cecilia had been an incumbent and I had really wanted to run, of course I would have run as Sue Syvanen. It’s a no brainer.

  55. Sue Greenwald

    In all honesty Matt, if Cecilia had been an incumbent and I had really wanted to run, of course I would have run as Sue Syvanen. It’s a no brainer.

  56. Sue Greenwald

    In all honesty Matt, if Cecilia had been an incumbent and I had really wanted to run, of course I would have run as Sue Syvanen. It’s a no brainer.

  57. charlie lemoyne

    how do they differ on the issues?

    Issues? Issues? We don’t need no issues. This is Davis, hombre. One side accuses the other of being in bed with greedy developers. The other side lives in mansions built by greedy developers. The only things the two sides agree on are Iraq and abortion.

  58. charlie lemoyne

    how do they differ on the issues?

    Issues? Issues? We don’t need no issues. This is Davis, hombre. One side accuses the other of being in bed with greedy developers. The other side lives in mansions built by greedy developers. The only things the two sides agree on are Iraq and abortion.

  59. charlie lemoyne

    how do they differ on the issues?

    Issues? Issues? We don’t need no issues. This is Davis, hombre. One side accuses the other of being in bed with greedy developers. The other side lives in mansions built by greedy developers. The only things the two sides agree on are Iraq and abortion.

  60. charlie lemoyne

    how do they differ on the issues?

    Issues? Issues? We don’t need no issues. This is Davis, hombre. One side accuses the other of being in bed with greedy developers. The other side lives in mansions built by greedy developers. The only things the two sides agree on are Iraq and abortion.

  61. Progressive Observer

    This topic is at best making a mountain out of a mole hill. Come on Sue, I thought you were smarter than this. But, maybe you want to do Bob Dunning’s job for him?

  62. Progressive Observer

    This topic is at best making a mountain out of a mole hill. Come on Sue, I thought you were smarter than this. But, maybe you want to do Bob Dunning’s job for him?

  63. Progressive Observer

    This topic is at best making a mountain out of a mole hill. Come on Sue, I thought you were smarter than this. But, maybe you want to do Bob Dunning’s job for him?

  64. Progressive Observer

    This topic is at best making a mountain out of a mole hill. Come on Sue, I thought you were smarter than this. But, maybe you want to do Bob Dunning’s job for him?

  65. NO on X supporter

    IN ANSWER TO SUE:

    8/3/07 1:56 PM
    Sue Greenwald said…

    1.“Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.”

    Sue are you using the logic of Ronald Reagan in referring to Cecilia and yourself? To paraphrase Reagan, “when you’ve seen one tree, you’ve seen them all” Do you really think so little of the Davis constituency that you think they will be confused between you and Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald as two separate women?

    2. “Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.”

    Sue stop the whining. If Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald decides to run she will not have any special interest money either, nor will she likely spend a second or a dime on discussing your fear of having a similar name as Cecilia. The voters are smart and can figure it out.

    3. “People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.”

    If Cecilia runs: it will be Cecilia and Sue on the ballot; it will be Escamilla-Greenwald and Greenwald on the ballot; one is a non-incumbent and the other is the mayor. Really Sue, is this confusing the voters?

    4. “Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.”

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    5. “For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.”

    There is no name confusion at all.

  66. NO on X supporter

    IN ANSWER TO SUE:

    8/3/07 1:56 PM
    Sue Greenwald said…

    1.“Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.”

    Sue are you using the logic of Ronald Reagan in referring to Cecilia and yourself? To paraphrase Reagan, “when you’ve seen one tree, you’ve seen them all” Do you really think so little of the Davis constituency that you think they will be confused between you and Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald as two separate women?

    2. “Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.”

    Sue stop the whining. If Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald decides to run she will not have any special interest money either, nor will she likely spend a second or a dime on discussing your fear of having a similar name as Cecilia. The voters are smart and can figure it out.

    3. “People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.”

    If Cecilia runs: it will be Cecilia and Sue on the ballot; it will be Escamilla-Greenwald and Greenwald on the ballot; one is a non-incumbent and the other is the mayor. Really Sue, is this confusing the voters?

    4. “Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.”

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    5. “For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.”

    There is no name confusion at all.

  67. NO on X supporter

    IN ANSWER TO SUE:

    8/3/07 1:56 PM
    Sue Greenwald said…

    1.“Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.”

    Sue are you using the logic of Ronald Reagan in referring to Cecilia and yourself? To paraphrase Reagan, “when you’ve seen one tree, you’ve seen them all” Do you really think so little of the Davis constituency that you think they will be confused between you and Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald as two separate women?

    2. “Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.”

    Sue stop the whining. If Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald decides to run she will not have any special interest money either, nor will she likely spend a second or a dime on discussing your fear of having a similar name as Cecilia. The voters are smart and can figure it out.

    3. “People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.”

    If Cecilia runs: it will be Cecilia and Sue on the ballot; it will be Escamilla-Greenwald and Greenwald on the ballot; one is a non-incumbent and the other is the mayor. Really Sue, is this confusing the voters?

    4. “Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.”

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    5. “For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.”

    There is no name confusion at all.

  68. NO on X supporter

    IN ANSWER TO SUE:

    8/3/07 1:56 PM
    Sue Greenwald said…

    1.“Joe Boyd was a man, and Susie a woman. This is a huge difference.”

    Sue are you using the logic of Ronald Reagan in referring to Cecilia and yourself? To paraphrase Reagan, “when you’ve seen one tree, you’ve seen them all” Do you really think so little of the Davis constituency that you think they will be confused between you and Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald as two separate women?

    2. “Susie Boyd had lots of money to send around many, many mailers to reach the voters who don’t get the Enterprise, and straighten out any confusion. Being a slow growth candidate, I do not receive the kind of special interest money that Susie Boyd received.”

    Sue stop the whining. If Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald decides to run she will not have any special interest money either, nor will she likely spend a second or a dime on discussing your fear of having a similar name as Cecilia. The voters are smart and can figure it out.

    3. “People who read this blog follow local politics, by definition. Probably half of all voters in Davis don’t get the Enterprise, and many are too busy to follow local politics closely.”

    If Cecilia runs: it will be Cecilia and Sue on the ballot; it will be Escamilla-Greenwald and Greenwald on the ballot; one is a non-incumbent and the other is the mayor. Really Sue, is this confusing the voters?

    4. “Campaign consultants often suggest finding same-name candidates as a trick to damage campaigns of incumbents. They are targeting busy voters who don’t follow local politics, not those who do.”

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    5. “For these reasons, I personally think that the name confusion is a serious issue.”

    There is no name confusion at all.

  69. Anonymous

    Sue, please stop wasting our time. Let us talk about real issues of concern to the voters of Davis, not what name you or Cecilia choose to identify yourselves by.

  70. Anonymous

    Sue, please stop wasting our time. Let us talk about real issues of concern to the voters of Davis, not what name you or Cecilia choose to identify yourselves by.

  71. Anonymous

    Sue, please stop wasting our time. Let us talk about real issues of concern to the voters of Davis, not what name you or Cecilia choose to identify yourselves by.

  72. Anonymous

    Sue, please stop wasting our time. Let us talk about real issues of concern to the voters of Davis, not what name you or Cecilia choose to identify yourselves by.

  73. Anonymous

    Dear Mayor Greenwald,
    Neither you nor Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald have met me personally, but I consider myself a loyal supporter of yours because of your views on land use and I’m inclined to support Ms. Escamilla Greenwald because all three of us apparently hold the same view about law enforcement in Davis. But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state? Why are you attacking an ideological ally for her legal name when you should be attacking your ideological opponents for the “regressive” views they hold? People like us who call themselves progressives cannot allow someone with such egomania to divide this community. Please, for the sake of your constituency, I beg you to keep your ego problems to yourself and not give Saylor and Souza an excuse to point to your paranoia as a campaign issue. To imply that Ms. Escamilla Greenwald is doing this as some sort of dirty trick is simply bizarre. If you must, please do run as Sue Syvanen (nothing stops you from doing so), but do not divide the progressive community that has so loyally lent its support to you.

  74. Anonymous

    Dear Mayor Greenwald,
    Neither you nor Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald have met me personally, but I consider myself a loyal supporter of yours because of your views on land use and I’m inclined to support Ms. Escamilla Greenwald because all three of us apparently hold the same view about law enforcement in Davis. But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state? Why are you attacking an ideological ally for her legal name when you should be attacking your ideological opponents for the “regressive” views they hold? People like us who call themselves progressives cannot allow someone with such egomania to divide this community. Please, for the sake of your constituency, I beg you to keep your ego problems to yourself and not give Saylor and Souza an excuse to point to your paranoia as a campaign issue. To imply that Ms. Escamilla Greenwald is doing this as some sort of dirty trick is simply bizarre. If you must, please do run as Sue Syvanen (nothing stops you from doing so), but do not divide the progressive community that has so loyally lent its support to you.

  75. Anonymous

    Dear Mayor Greenwald,
    Neither you nor Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald have met me personally, but I consider myself a loyal supporter of yours because of your views on land use and I’m inclined to support Ms. Escamilla Greenwald because all three of us apparently hold the same view about law enforcement in Davis. But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state? Why are you attacking an ideological ally for her legal name when you should be attacking your ideological opponents for the “regressive” views they hold? People like us who call themselves progressives cannot allow someone with such egomania to divide this community. Please, for the sake of your constituency, I beg you to keep your ego problems to yourself and not give Saylor and Souza an excuse to point to your paranoia as a campaign issue. To imply that Ms. Escamilla Greenwald is doing this as some sort of dirty trick is simply bizarre. If you must, please do run as Sue Syvanen (nothing stops you from doing so), but do not divide the progressive community that has so loyally lent its support to you.

  76. Anonymous

    Dear Mayor Greenwald,
    Neither you nor Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald have met me personally, but I consider myself a loyal supporter of yours because of your views on land use and I’m inclined to support Ms. Escamilla Greenwald because all three of us apparently hold the same view about law enforcement in Davis. But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state? Why are you attacking an ideological ally for her legal name when you should be attacking your ideological opponents for the “regressive” views they hold? People like us who call themselves progressives cannot allow someone with such egomania to divide this community. Please, for the sake of your constituency, I beg you to keep your ego problems to yourself and not give Saylor and Souza an excuse to point to your paranoia as a campaign issue. To imply that Ms. Escamilla Greenwald is doing this as some sort of dirty trick is simply bizarre. If you must, please do run as Sue Syvanen (nothing stops you from doing so), but do not divide the progressive community that has so loyally lent its support to you.

  77. Anonymous

    Sue,

    Query: If Cecilia had a birth name of Cecilia Greenwald, given to her by mama and papa Greenwald and she had been politically active during and since her college days in Davis from the early 1990’s onward (working with many political, civic and community organizations over the years) would she have to change her maiden name to run for office simply because you got there first?

  78. Anonymous

    Sue,

    Query: If Cecilia had a birth name of Cecilia Greenwald, given to her by mama and papa Greenwald and she had been politically active during and since her college days in Davis from the early 1990’s onward (working with many political, civic and community organizations over the years) would she have to change her maiden name to run for office simply because you got there first?

  79. Anonymous

    Sue,

    Query: If Cecilia had a birth name of Cecilia Greenwald, given to her by mama and papa Greenwald and she had been politically active during and since her college days in Davis from the early 1990’s onward (working with many political, civic and community organizations over the years) would she have to change her maiden name to run for office simply because you got there first?

  80. Anonymous

    Sue,

    Query: If Cecilia had a birth name of Cecilia Greenwald, given to her by mama and papa Greenwald and she had been politically active during and since her college days in Davis from the early 1990’s onward (working with many political, civic and community organizations over the years) would she have to change her maiden name to run for office simply because you got there first?

  81. progressive observer

    Cecilia, please ignore the behavior of Sue.

    Cecilia you have a beautiful and distinctive name and I shall be proud to vote for you if you seek office.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald for Davis City Council!

  82. progressive observer

    Cecilia, please ignore the behavior of Sue.

    Cecilia you have a beautiful and distinctive name and I shall be proud to vote for you if you seek office.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald for Davis City Council!

  83. progressive observer

    Cecilia, please ignore the behavior of Sue.

    Cecilia you have a beautiful and distinctive name and I shall be proud to vote for you if you seek office.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald for Davis City Council!

  84. progressive observer

    Cecilia, please ignore the behavior of Sue.

    Cecilia you have a beautiful and distinctive name and I shall be proud to vote for you if you seek office.

    Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald for Davis City Council!

  85. darnell

    Another news flash.

    (DAVIS)- Sue Greenwald loses 2008 re-election bid by one vote as she mistakenly voted for another Greenwald on the ballot. When asked how that happened she answered “I just got confused with the other lady on the ballot. The least the other candidate could have done was use her maiden name or change her gender so the ignorant voters of Davis wouldn’t make such a silly mistake.”

    Please Sue (Madam Mayor) we are not that dumb!

  86. darnell

    Another news flash.

    (DAVIS)- Sue Greenwald loses 2008 re-election bid by one vote as she mistakenly voted for another Greenwald on the ballot. When asked how that happened she answered “I just got confused with the other lady on the ballot. The least the other candidate could have done was use her maiden name or change her gender so the ignorant voters of Davis wouldn’t make such a silly mistake.”

    Please Sue (Madam Mayor) we are not that dumb!

  87. darnell

    Another news flash.

    (DAVIS)- Sue Greenwald loses 2008 re-election bid by one vote as she mistakenly voted for another Greenwald on the ballot. When asked how that happened she answered “I just got confused with the other lady on the ballot. The least the other candidate could have done was use her maiden name or change her gender so the ignorant voters of Davis wouldn’t make such a silly mistake.”

    Please Sue (Madam Mayor) we are not that dumb!

  88. darnell

    Another news flash.

    (DAVIS)- Sue Greenwald loses 2008 re-election bid by one vote as she mistakenly voted for another Greenwald on the ballot. When asked how that happened she answered “I just got confused with the other lady on the ballot. The least the other candidate could have done was use her maiden name or change her gender so the ignorant voters of Davis wouldn’t make such a silly mistake.”

    Please Sue (Madam Mayor) we are not that dumb!

  89. Anonymous

    “Cecilia Escamilla vs. Sue Syvanen.”
    With such alliteratively beautiful names labeling hats thrown into the City Council race ring, who knows, perhaps a note or two of harmony might be introduced into the subsequent discourse

  90. Anonymous

    “Cecilia Escamilla vs. Sue Syvanen.”
    With such alliteratively beautiful names labeling hats thrown into the City Council race ring, who knows, perhaps a note or two of harmony might be introduced into the subsequent discourse

  91. Anonymous

    “Cecilia Escamilla vs. Sue Syvanen.”
    With such alliteratively beautiful names labeling hats thrown into the City Council race ring, who knows, perhaps a note or two of harmony might be introduced into the subsequent discourse

  92. Anonymous

    “Cecilia Escamilla vs. Sue Syvanen.”
    With such alliteratively beautiful names labeling hats thrown into the City Council race ring, who knows, perhaps a note or two of harmony might be introduced into the subsequent discourse

  93. Anonymous

    Easy for me…2 xes away from either greenwald…if choice voting 6 and 7 or whatever the highest 2 numbers are…

    But seriously…the Mayor can’t be serious! Run by a different name than a person goes by?

    Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog

  94. Anonymous

    Easy for me…2 xes away from either greenwald…if choice voting 6 and 7 or whatever the highest 2 numbers are…

    But seriously…the Mayor can’t be serious! Run by a different name than a person goes by?

    Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog

  95. Anonymous

    Easy for me…2 xes away from either greenwald…if choice voting 6 and 7 or whatever the highest 2 numbers are…

    But seriously…the Mayor can’t be serious! Run by a different name than a person goes by?

    Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog

  96. Anonymous

    Easy for me…2 xes away from either greenwald…if choice voting 6 and 7 or whatever the highest 2 numbers are…

    But seriously…the Mayor can’t be serious! Run by a different name than a person goes by?

    Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog

  97. Matt Rexroad

    Please stop. This is too funny.

    This whole thing makes me think twice about my positon in support of choice voting in Davis. I figured you had the perfect community to test it.

    Now you have people claiming to not be able to tell the difference between two candidates with the name Greenwald. One of them happens to be Mayor and the other is the wife of the host of this blog.

    From my point of view……not even the people of Davis could be this silly.

    Matt Rexroad
    662-5184

  98. Matt Rexroad

    Please stop. This is too funny.

    This whole thing makes me think twice about my positon in support of choice voting in Davis. I figured you had the perfect community to test it.

    Now you have people claiming to not be able to tell the difference between two candidates with the name Greenwald. One of them happens to be Mayor and the other is the wife of the host of this blog.

    From my point of view……not even the people of Davis could be this silly.

    Matt Rexroad
    662-5184

  99. Matt Rexroad

    Please stop. This is too funny.

    This whole thing makes me think twice about my positon in support of choice voting in Davis. I figured you had the perfect community to test it.

    Now you have people claiming to not be able to tell the difference between two candidates with the name Greenwald. One of them happens to be Mayor and the other is the wife of the host of this blog.

    From my point of view……not even the people of Davis could be this silly.

    Matt Rexroad
    662-5184

  100. Matt Rexroad

    Please stop. This is too funny.

    This whole thing makes me think twice about my positon in support of choice voting in Davis. I figured you had the perfect community to test it.

    Now you have people claiming to not be able to tell the difference between two candidates with the name Greenwald. One of them happens to be Mayor and the other is the wife of the host of this blog.

    From my point of view……not even the people of Davis could be this silly.

    Matt Rexroad
    662-5184

  101. Blog Administrator

    I would personally prefer you suggesting that she is either acting inappropriately or being unreasonable, then the focus is on her actions which I think can legitimately be criticized but not on herself. Certainly there has to be active manifestation of what you may be trying to describe that would cause you to come to the conclusion that you have.

    As far as I know it is actually her. Those were logged in comments, and she has posted before and the past comments are clearly hers. So I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this is an impostor. If you click on the link on her name, you can see that she an actual user.

  102. Blog Administrator

    I would personally prefer you suggesting that she is either acting inappropriately or being unreasonable, then the focus is on her actions which I think can legitimately be criticized but not on herself. Certainly there has to be active manifestation of what you may be trying to describe that would cause you to come to the conclusion that you have.

    As far as I know it is actually her. Those were logged in comments, and she has posted before and the past comments are clearly hers. So I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this is an impostor. If you click on the link on her name, you can see that she an actual user.

  103. Blog Administrator

    I would personally prefer you suggesting that she is either acting inappropriately or being unreasonable, then the focus is on her actions which I think can legitimately be criticized but not on herself. Certainly there has to be active manifestation of what you may be trying to describe that would cause you to come to the conclusion that you have.

    As far as I know it is actually her. Those were logged in comments, and she has posted before and the past comments are clearly hers. So I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this is an impostor. If you click on the link on her name, you can see that she an actual user.

  104. Blog Administrator

    I would personally prefer you suggesting that she is either acting inappropriately or being unreasonable, then the focus is on her actions which I think can legitimately be criticized but not on herself. Certainly there has to be active manifestation of what you may be trying to describe that would cause you to come to the conclusion that you have.

    As far as I know it is actually her. Those were logged in comments, and she has posted before and the past comments are clearly hers. So I have no reason whatsoever to believe that this is an impostor. If you click on the link on her name, you can see that she an actual user.

  105. Rich Rifkin

    “Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog”

    His name, for now, is actually Villaraigosa (Villar + Raigosa), not Villagaroisa.

    BTW, this is the strangest blog thread I’ve ever read… I’m not sure why people have become so agitated over this question…. Also, from what The Enterprise said, it is unclear if Cecilia wants to run for city council. She is just considering the question at this point. The vote itself is almost a year away.

  106. Rich Rifkin

    “Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog”

    His name, for now, is actually Villaraigosa (Villar + Raigosa), not Villagaroisa.

    BTW, this is the strangest blog thread I’ve ever read… I’m not sure why people have become so agitated over this question…. Also, from what The Enterprise said, it is unclear if Cecilia wants to run for city council. She is just considering the question at this point. The vote itself is almost a year away.

  107. Rich Rifkin

    “Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog”

    His name, for now, is actually Villaraigosa (Villar + Raigosa), not Villagaroisa.

    BTW, this is the strangest blog thread I’ve ever read… I’m not sure why people have become so agitated over this question…. Also, from what The Enterprise said, it is unclear if Cecilia wants to run for city council. She is just considering the question at this point. The vote itself is almost a year away.

  108. Rich Rifkin

    “Villagaroisa might wish he did..but that is another story for another blog”

    His name, for now, is actually Villaraigosa (Villar + Raigosa), not Villagaroisa.

    BTW, this is the strangest blog thread I’ve ever read… I’m not sure why people have become so agitated over this question…. Also, from what The Enterprise said, it is unclear if Cecilia wants to run for city council. She is just considering the question at this point. The vote itself is almost a year away.

  109. don shor

    This is a pretty inauspicious start to the 2008 campaign. I am not noted for my political acumen, but IMO Sue may have difficulty getting re-elected and Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.

    If the goal is to get a council majority that will uphold sensible growth policies, this not the way to go about it.

  110. don shor

    This is a pretty inauspicious start to the 2008 campaign. I am not noted for my political acumen, but IMO Sue may have difficulty getting re-elected and Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.

    If the goal is to get a council majority that will uphold sensible growth policies, this not the way to go about it.

  111. don shor

    This is a pretty inauspicious start to the 2008 campaign. I am not noted for my political acumen, but IMO Sue may have difficulty getting re-elected and Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.

    If the goal is to get a council majority that will uphold sensible growth policies, this not the way to go about it.

  112. don shor

    This is a pretty inauspicious start to the 2008 campaign. I am not noted for my political acumen, but IMO Sue may have difficulty getting re-elected and Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.

    If the goal is to get a council majority that will uphold sensible growth policies, this not the way to go about it.

  113. Vincente

    “Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.”

    I think deserves a shot at showing the community that what happened last year was a distortion and blown out of proportions. I think Cecilia will be a much stronger candidate than a lot of people think. She has very deep roots in the community and support that will cut across normal lines.

  114. Vincente

    “Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.”

    I think deserves a shot at showing the community that what happened last year was a distortion and blown out of proportions. I think Cecilia will be a much stronger candidate than a lot of people think. She has very deep roots in the community and support that will cut across normal lines.

  115. Vincente

    “Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.”

    I think deserves a shot at showing the community that what happened last year was a distortion and blown out of proportions. I think Cecilia will be a much stronger candidate than a lot of people think. She has very deep roots in the community and support that will cut across normal lines.

  116. Vincente

    “Cecilia begins with more than half the town thinking she is controversial and outspoken.”

    I think deserves a shot at showing the community that what happened last year was a distortion and blown out of proportions. I think Cecilia will be a much stronger candidate than a lot of people think. She has very deep roots in the community and support that will cut across normal lines.

  117. Pam Gunnell

    I am more of a fan than ever against anonymous postings after reading this series of comments.

    However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)

    So the question is this – Is the confusion enough to compromise the re-election of Sue against Souza and Saylor and Levy or not? That is the question.

  118. Pam Gunnell

    I am more of a fan than ever against anonymous postings after reading this series of comments.

    However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)

    So the question is this – Is the confusion enough to compromise the re-election of Sue against Souza and Saylor and Levy or not? That is the question.

  119. Pam Gunnell

    I am more of a fan than ever against anonymous postings after reading this series of comments.

    However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)

    So the question is this – Is the confusion enough to compromise the re-election of Sue against Souza and Saylor and Levy or not? That is the question.

  120. Pam Gunnell

    I am more of a fan than ever against anonymous postings after reading this series of comments.

    However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)

    So the question is this – Is the confusion enough to compromise the re-election of Sue against Souza and Saylor and Levy or not? That is the question.

  121. davisite

    Mayor Sue Greewald has been a stalwart defender of intelligent growth policies for our city. She has taken the attacks of the Gang of Three on the dais for over a year with regard to the Covell Village development and she never flinched. She has my respect and thanks. Her reelection is critical to protecting our Pass-Through agreement and Measure J when it comes up for renewal in 2010. I hope that she reconsiders her name-confusion concerns and focuses instead on bringing together the Davis voters who care about what kind of city they will be raising their children in.

  122. davisite

    Mayor Sue Greewald has been a stalwart defender of intelligent growth policies for our city. She has taken the attacks of the Gang of Three on the dais for over a year with regard to the Covell Village development and she never flinched. She has my respect and thanks. Her reelection is critical to protecting our Pass-Through agreement and Measure J when it comes up for renewal in 2010. I hope that she reconsiders her name-confusion concerns and focuses instead on bringing together the Davis voters who care about what kind of city they will be raising their children in.

  123. davisite

    Mayor Sue Greewald has been a stalwart defender of intelligent growth policies for our city. She has taken the attacks of the Gang of Three on the dais for over a year with regard to the Covell Village development and she never flinched. She has my respect and thanks. Her reelection is critical to protecting our Pass-Through agreement and Measure J when it comes up for renewal in 2010. I hope that she reconsiders her name-confusion concerns and focuses instead on bringing together the Davis voters who care about what kind of city they will be raising their children in.

  124. davisite

    Mayor Sue Greewald has been a stalwart defender of intelligent growth policies for our city. She has taken the attacks of the Gang of Three on the dais for over a year with regard to the Covell Village development and she never flinched. She has my respect and thanks. Her reelection is critical to protecting our Pass-Through agreement and Measure J when it comes up for renewal in 2010. I hope that she reconsiders her name-confusion concerns and focuses instead on bringing together the Davis voters who care about what kind of city they will be raising their children in.

  125. Vincente

    Pam:

    You pose a good question. I would ask a slightly different question: does this sort of public discussion hurt our cause more than any small amount of voter confusion?

    After all, are Sue and Cecilia not on the same side?

    It would seem to me that an effective campaign could be to vote for both of them. That would be my preference as long as things do not get out of hand with this name thing.

    The other point is that the name confusion did not seem to impact the Boyd/ Boyd race. You have one person who is listed as Mayor and running as Greenwald, another not listed as mayor with an Hispanic surname in front of a hyphenated Greenwald.

    Those are my thoughts. Regardless, we should all be working together because I assume our goal is to defeat Souza and Saylor and regain a progressive majority. I do not see how bickering about a name serves that purpose.

  126. Vincente

    Pam:

    You pose a good question. I would ask a slightly different question: does this sort of public discussion hurt our cause more than any small amount of voter confusion?

    After all, are Sue and Cecilia not on the same side?

    It would seem to me that an effective campaign could be to vote for both of them. That would be my preference as long as things do not get out of hand with this name thing.

    The other point is that the name confusion did not seem to impact the Boyd/ Boyd race. You have one person who is listed as Mayor and running as Greenwald, another not listed as mayor with an Hispanic surname in front of a hyphenated Greenwald.

    Those are my thoughts. Regardless, we should all be working together because I assume our goal is to defeat Souza and Saylor and regain a progressive majority. I do not see how bickering about a name serves that purpose.

  127. Vincente

    Pam:

    You pose a good question. I would ask a slightly different question: does this sort of public discussion hurt our cause more than any small amount of voter confusion?

    After all, are Sue and Cecilia not on the same side?

    It would seem to me that an effective campaign could be to vote for both of them. That would be my preference as long as things do not get out of hand with this name thing.

    The other point is that the name confusion did not seem to impact the Boyd/ Boyd race. You have one person who is listed as Mayor and running as Greenwald, another not listed as mayor with an Hispanic surname in front of a hyphenated Greenwald.

    Those are my thoughts. Regardless, we should all be working together because I assume our goal is to defeat Souza and Saylor and regain a progressive majority. I do not see how bickering about a name serves that purpose.

  128. Vincente

    Pam:

    You pose a good question. I would ask a slightly different question: does this sort of public discussion hurt our cause more than any small amount of voter confusion?

    After all, are Sue and Cecilia not on the same side?

    It would seem to me that an effective campaign could be to vote for both of them. That would be my preference as long as things do not get out of hand with this name thing.

    The other point is that the name confusion did not seem to impact the Boyd/ Boyd race. You have one person who is listed as Mayor and running as Greenwald, another not listed as mayor with an Hispanic surname in front of a hyphenated Greenwald.

    Those are my thoughts. Regardless, we should all be working together because I assume our goal is to defeat Souza and Saylor and regain a progressive majority. I do not see how bickering about a name serves that purpose.

  129. Anonymous

    “don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts? I hear that all the time.”

    You hear that from whom? Most people have probably never heard of Cecilia and she has a lot of allies from what I understand.

  130. Anonymous

    “don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts? I hear that all the time.”

    You hear that from whom? Most people have probably never heard of Cecilia and she has a lot of allies from what I understand.

  131. Anonymous

    “don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts? I hear that all the time.”

    You hear that from whom? Most people have probably never heard of Cecilia and she has a lot of allies from what I understand.

  132. Anonymous

    “don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts? I hear that all the time.”

    You hear that from whom? Most people have probably never heard of Cecilia and she has a lot of allies from what I understand.

  133. Anonymous

    “However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)”

    ….not surprising as Sheryl and Sue have a similar stature. There shouldn’t be any physical confusion between Cecilia and Sue.

  134. Anonymous

    “However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)”

    ….not surprising as Sheryl and Sue have a similar stature. There shouldn’t be any physical confusion between Cecilia and Sue.

  135. Anonymous

    “However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)”

    ….not surprising as Sheryl and Sue have a similar stature. There shouldn’t be any physical confusion between Cecilia and Sue.

  136. Anonymous

    “However, there will be some confusion ( people used to confuse Sheryl Freeman and Sue!)”

    ….not surprising as Sheryl and Sue have a similar stature. There shouldn’t be any physical confusion between Cecilia and Sue.

  137. A blog administrator

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  141. darnell

    Dave R. said ….Other than the twenty three crazies who are positive the DPD is biased against all the blacks and mexicans don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts?

    Dave R.. I am relatively new to this blog but a long time resident of Davis. Would you expand on who the 23 crazies are, as you refer to them, that knows the DPD has a bias against Blacks and Mexicans. I don’t care about individual names but are you suggesting that there is a group that caters to Blacks and Mexicans unjustifiably at the expense of the DPD?

    If Cecilia runs, which she hasn’t declared, we will see if most people hate her guts. I don’t think so.

  142. darnell

    Dave R. said ….Other than the twenty three crazies who are positive the DPD is biased against all the blacks and mexicans don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts?

    Dave R.. I am relatively new to this blog but a long time resident of Davis. Would you expand on who the 23 crazies are, as you refer to them, that knows the DPD has a bias against Blacks and Mexicans. I don’t care about individual names but are you suggesting that there is a group that caters to Blacks and Mexicans unjustifiably at the expense of the DPD?

    If Cecilia runs, which she hasn’t declared, we will see if most people hate her guts. I don’t think so.

  143. darnell

    Dave R. said ….Other than the twenty three crazies who are positive the DPD is biased against all the blacks and mexicans don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts?

    Dave R.. I am relatively new to this blog but a long time resident of Davis. Would you expand on who the 23 crazies are, as you refer to them, that knows the DPD has a bias against Blacks and Mexicans. I don’t care about individual names but are you suggesting that there is a group that caters to Blacks and Mexicans unjustifiably at the expense of the DPD?

    If Cecilia runs, which she hasn’t declared, we will see if most people hate her guts. I don’t think so.

  144. darnell

    Dave R. said ….Other than the twenty three crazies who are positive the DPD is biased against all the blacks and mexicans don’t most people in Davis hate cecilia’s guts?

    Dave R.. I am relatively new to this blog but a long time resident of Davis. Would you expand on who the 23 crazies are, as you refer to them, that knows the DPD has a bias against Blacks and Mexicans. I don’t care about individual names but are you suggesting that there is a group that caters to Blacks and Mexicans unjustifiably at the expense of the DPD?

    If Cecilia runs, which she hasn’t declared, we will see if most people hate her guts. I don’t think so.

  145. ucd bean

    Seriously People, Stop Ripping each other apart! While, as a student, I don’t agree with a no-growth policy (Because the student population is growing, and increasing demand for housing with that growth), I am also a firm progressive, and I can see why Sue has this concern. Last time there were three candidates elected, it was 2 Developers and 1 Slo-Gro. Sue is rationally worried that next time round she won’t be the Slo-Gro, while ignoring the chances of two S-Gs, because while that would further her stated goals, it conflicts with her ability to implement them in the case where she isn’t elected.

    Just keep on fighting each other, and We’ll see the same council majority and Christopher Cabaldon in the 8th AD.

  146. ucd bean

    Seriously People, Stop Ripping each other apart! While, as a student, I don’t agree with a no-growth policy (Because the student population is growing, and increasing demand for housing with that growth), I am also a firm progressive, and I can see why Sue has this concern. Last time there were three candidates elected, it was 2 Developers and 1 Slo-Gro. Sue is rationally worried that next time round she won’t be the Slo-Gro, while ignoring the chances of two S-Gs, because while that would further her stated goals, it conflicts with her ability to implement them in the case where she isn’t elected.

    Just keep on fighting each other, and We’ll see the same council majority and Christopher Cabaldon in the 8th AD.

  147. ucd bean

    Seriously People, Stop Ripping each other apart! While, as a student, I don’t agree with a no-growth policy (Because the student population is growing, and increasing demand for housing with that growth), I am also a firm progressive, and I can see why Sue has this concern. Last time there were three candidates elected, it was 2 Developers and 1 Slo-Gro. Sue is rationally worried that next time round she won’t be the Slo-Gro, while ignoring the chances of two S-Gs, because while that would further her stated goals, it conflicts with her ability to implement them in the case where she isn’t elected.

    Just keep on fighting each other, and We’ll see the same council majority and Christopher Cabaldon in the 8th AD.

  148. ucd bean

    Seriously People, Stop Ripping each other apart! While, as a student, I don’t agree with a no-growth policy (Because the student population is growing, and increasing demand for housing with that growth), I am also a firm progressive, and I can see why Sue has this concern. Last time there were three candidates elected, it was 2 Developers and 1 Slo-Gro. Sue is rationally worried that next time round she won’t be the Slo-Gro, while ignoring the chances of two S-Gs, because while that would further her stated goals, it conflicts with her ability to implement them in the case where she isn’t elected.

    Just keep on fighting each other, and We’ll see the same council majority and Christopher Cabaldon in the 8th AD.

  149. Anonymous

    If you don’t remove the so-called Rexroad comment calling everyone in Davis silly than you might as well forget about being fair. I am most offended by that comment.

    The comments you removed are the ones that made this blog what it is. Most were not over the line, some were! It your perogative of course.

  150. Anonymous

    If you don’t remove the so-called Rexroad comment calling everyone in Davis silly than you might as well forget about being fair. I am most offended by that comment.

    The comments you removed are the ones that made this blog what it is. Most were not over the line, some were! It your perogative of course.

  151. Anonymous

    If you don’t remove the so-called Rexroad comment calling everyone in Davis silly than you might as well forget about being fair. I am most offended by that comment.

    The comments you removed are the ones that made this blog what it is. Most were not over the line, some were! It your perogative of course.

  152. Anonymous

    If you don’t remove the so-called Rexroad comment calling everyone in Davis silly than you might as well forget about being fair. I am most offended by that comment.

    The comments you removed are the ones that made this blog what it is. Most were not over the line, some were! It your perogative of course.

  153. A blog administrator

    I have to disagree. This blog is not intended as an avenue to wage personal attacks on others. I removed posts where people were attacked personally. A general “all people in Davis are silly” does not qualify as a personal attack at the level of the posts I removed.

  154. A blog administrator

    I have to disagree. This blog is not intended as an avenue to wage personal attacks on others. I removed posts where people were attacked personally. A general “all people in Davis are silly” does not qualify as a personal attack at the level of the posts I removed.

  155. A blog administrator

    I have to disagree. This blog is not intended as an avenue to wage personal attacks on others. I removed posts where people were attacked personally. A general “all people in Davis are silly” does not qualify as a personal attack at the level of the posts I removed.

  156. A blog administrator

    I have to disagree. This blog is not intended as an avenue to wage personal attacks on others. I removed posts where people were attacked personally. A general “all people in Davis are silly” does not qualify as a personal attack at the level of the posts I removed.

  157. davisite

    Blog administrator said:
    ” I removed posts where people were attacked personally…”

    As someone who has been accused of “personal attacks”, I believe that posting opinions about the motivations of public figures, who ask us to allow them to be our elected representatives, are valid comments and acceptable postings, quite different from gratuitious “name-calling”.

  158. davisite

    Blog administrator said:
    ” I removed posts where people were attacked personally…”

    As someone who has been accused of “personal attacks”, I believe that posting opinions about the motivations of public figures, who ask us to allow them to be our elected representatives, are valid comments and acceptable postings, quite different from gratuitious “name-calling”.

  159. davisite

    Blog administrator said:
    ” I removed posts where people were attacked personally…”

    As someone who has been accused of “personal attacks”, I believe that posting opinions about the motivations of public figures, who ask us to allow them to be our elected representatives, are valid comments and acceptable postings, quite different from gratuitious “name-calling”.

  160. davisite

    Blog administrator said:
    ” I removed posts where people were attacked personally…”

    As someone who has been accused of “personal attacks”, I believe that posting opinions about the motivations of public figures, who ask us to allow them to be our elected representatives, are valid comments and acceptable postings, quite different from gratuitious “name-calling”.

  161. Ann

    chances of two S-Gs?

    What in the world are you talking about???

    One person, Sue, spells her name with an “S.”

    Another, Cecilia, spells her name with a “C,” and has the last name Escamilla-Greenwald.

    One is Caucasian and one is Hispanic.

    Are you telling me that the supposed “most educated community in ???” cannot figure that out?

    Please, let’s move on to more important topics.

    The fact that the Emptyprise even made this a story is a joke and the fact that a sitting mayor made this an issue is a joke. There are more important issues.

    Onward. Please.

  162. Ann

    chances of two S-Gs?

    What in the world are you talking about???

    One person, Sue, spells her name with an “S.”

    Another, Cecilia, spells her name with a “C,” and has the last name Escamilla-Greenwald.

    One is Caucasian and one is Hispanic.

    Are you telling me that the supposed “most educated community in ???” cannot figure that out?

    Please, let’s move on to more important topics.

    The fact that the Emptyprise even made this a story is a joke and the fact that a sitting mayor made this an issue is a joke. There are more important issues.

    Onward. Please.

  163. Ann

    chances of two S-Gs?

    What in the world are you talking about???

    One person, Sue, spells her name with an “S.”

    Another, Cecilia, spells her name with a “C,” and has the last name Escamilla-Greenwald.

    One is Caucasian and one is Hispanic.

    Are you telling me that the supposed “most educated community in ???” cannot figure that out?

    Please, let’s move on to more important topics.

    The fact that the Emptyprise even made this a story is a joke and the fact that a sitting mayor made this an issue is a joke. There are more important issues.

    Onward. Please.

  164. Ann

    chances of two S-Gs?

    What in the world are you talking about???

    One person, Sue, spells her name with an “S.”

    Another, Cecilia, spells her name with a “C,” and has the last name Escamilla-Greenwald.

    One is Caucasian and one is Hispanic.

    Are you telling me that the supposed “most educated community in ???” cannot figure that out?

    Please, let’s move on to more important topics.

    The fact that the Emptyprise even made this a story is a joke and the fact that a sitting mayor made this an issue is a joke. There are more important issues.

    Onward. Please.

  165. Ann

    Oh yeah, Don Shor,

    before referring or calling someone controversial you should look in the mirror.

    You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too). Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.

    As far as I’m concerned “controversial” is a word used when someone brings up an issue that some don’t like to even talk about.

    It’s merely a label and you’re falling for it. You’re an intelligent man. Don’t play that game.

    If you can get past the name calling and talk issues I think we can have better dialoge as has been done in the past on this blog.

    Ann

  166. Ann

    Oh yeah, Don Shor,

    before referring or calling someone controversial you should look in the mirror.

    You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too). Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.

    As far as I’m concerned “controversial” is a word used when someone brings up an issue that some don’t like to even talk about.

    It’s merely a label and you’re falling for it. You’re an intelligent man. Don’t play that game.

    If you can get past the name calling and talk issues I think we can have better dialoge as has been done in the past on this blog.

    Ann

  167. Ann

    Oh yeah, Don Shor,

    before referring or calling someone controversial you should look in the mirror.

    You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too). Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.

    As far as I’m concerned “controversial” is a word used when someone brings up an issue that some don’t like to even talk about.

    It’s merely a label and you’re falling for it. You’re an intelligent man. Don’t play that game.

    If you can get past the name calling and talk issues I think we can have better dialoge as has been done in the past on this blog.

    Ann

  168. Ann

    Oh yeah, Don Shor,

    before referring or calling someone controversial you should look in the mirror.

    You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too). Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.

    As far as I’m concerned “controversial” is a word used when someone brings up an issue that some don’t like to even talk about.

    It’s merely a label and you’re falling for it. You’re an intelligent man. Don’t play that game.

    If you can get past the name calling and talk issues I think we can have better dialoge as has been done in the past on this blog.

    Ann

  169. Anonymous

    Sue Greenwald is reaping what she has sewn. She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved – particulalry how many more than Saylor or Souza. Even despite Lamar’s election, she decries the fact that she is the only progressive on the council.

    The empress has no clothes, and when she places 5th behind Rob Roy, she’ll find someone to blame.

    As for UCD Bean – welcome to Davis. Most of the folks in power here own rental property (including The Original Greenwald, no?). Their no-growth “progressivism” is wrapped in slow-growth rhetoric while they line their pockets with your financial aid or parental savings.

    Want to make a true progressive change – the way students did in the 1970’s by winning a council seat and establishing Unitrans? Start an initiative outlawing the Davis model lease. You’d never see the council majority and progressive community come together and settle their differences to oppose you.

  170. Anonymous

    Sue Greenwald is reaping what she has sewn. She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved – particulalry how many more than Saylor or Souza. Even despite Lamar’s election, she decries the fact that she is the only progressive on the council.

    The empress has no clothes, and when she places 5th behind Rob Roy, she’ll find someone to blame.

    As for UCD Bean – welcome to Davis. Most of the folks in power here own rental property (including The Original Greenwald, no?). Their no-growth “progressivism” is wrapped in slow-growth rhetoric while they line their pockets with your financial aid or parental savings.

    Want to make a true progressive change – the way students did in the 1970’s by winning a council seat and establishing Unitrans? Start an initiative outlawing the Davis model lease. You’d never see the council majority and progressive community come together and settle their differences to oppose you.

  171. Anonymous

    Sue Greenwald is reaping what she has sewn. She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved – particulalry how many more than Saylor or Souza. Even despite Lamar’s election, she decries the fact that she is the only progressive on the council.

    The empress has no clothes, and when she places 5th behind Rob Roy, she’ll find someone to blame.

    As for UCD Bean – welcome to Davis. Most of the folks in power here own rental property (including The Original Greenwald, no?). Their no-growth “progressivism” is wrapped in slow-growth rhetoric while they line their pockets with your financial aid or parental savings.

    Want to make a true progressive change – the way students did in the 1970’s by winning a council seat and establishing Unitrans? Start an initiative outlawing the Davis model lease. You’d never see the council majority and progressive community come together and settle their differences to oppose you.

  172. Anonymous

    Sue Greenwald is reaping what she has sewn. She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved – particulalry how many more than Saylor or Souza. Even despite Lamar’s election, she decries the fact that she is the only progressive on the council.

    The empress has no clothes, and when she places 5th behind Rob Roy, she’ll find someone to blame.

    As for UCD Bean – welcome to Davis. Most of the folks in power here own rental property (including The Original Greenwald, no?). Their no-growth “progressivism” is wrapped in slow-growth rhetoric while they line their pockets with your financial aid or parental savings.

    Want to make a true progressive change – the way students did in the 1970’s by winning a council seat and establishing Unitrans? Start an initiative outlawing the Davis model lease. You’d never see the council majority and progressive community come together and settle their differences to oppose you.

  173. Anonymous

    I’m still trying to figure out who those 23 community member are? I might be one of them, but I counted well over a hundred citizens in a march on the Davis Police Station which was never carried in the local press. How many like minded citizens are there for everyone one of those that will march? Measure X proved the power of grass roots over money. Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!

  174. Anonymous

    I’m still trying to figure out who those 23 community member are? I might be one of them, but I counted well over a hundred citizens in a march on the Davis Police Station which was never carried in the local press. How many like minded citizens are there for everyone one of those that will march? Measure X proved the power of grass roots over money. Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!

  175. Anonymous

    I’m still trying to figure out who those 23 community member are? I might be one of them, but I counted well over a hundred citizens in a march on the Davis Police Station which was never carried in the local press. How many like minded citizens are there for everyone one of those that will march? Measure X proved the power of grass roots over money. Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!

  176. Anonymous

    I’m still trying to figure out who those 23 community member are? I might be one of them, but I counted well over a hundred citizens in a march on the Davis Police Station which was never carried in the local press. How many like minded citizens are there for everyone one of those that will march? Measure X proved the power of grass roots over money. Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!

  177. Anonymous

    Anonymous 9:55 am –

    “Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!”

    What a great idea! Let’s unite under a “Green”wald banner!

    After all we want Davis to be Greener! We want to preserve our ag land and open space.

    You need to get it through to Sue, since it appears that she is the one with the not-so-similar name issue.

  178. Anonymous

    Anonymous 9:55 am –

    “Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!”

    What a great idea! Let’s unite under a “Green”wald banner!

    After all we want Davis to be Greener! We want to preserve our ag land and open space.

    You need to get it through to Sue, since it appears that she is the one with the not-so-similar name issue.

  179. Anonymous

    Anonymous 9:55 am –

    “Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!”

    What a great idea! Let’s unite under a “Green”wald banner!

    After all we want Davis to be Greener! We want to preserve our ag land and open space.

    You need to get it through to Sue, since it appears that she is the one with the not-so-similar name issue.

  180. Anonymous

    Anonymous 9:55 am –

    “Speaking of grass, lets unite under a “Green”wald banner!”

    What a great idea! Let’s unite under a “Green”wald banner!

    After all we want Davis to be Greener! We want to preserve our ag land and open space.

    You need to get it through to Sue, since it appears that she is the one with the not-so-similar name issue.

  181. Thinking out loud...

    I’m curious, if David Greenwald ran for city council would he be asked to change his name too?

    Since he doesn’t have a maiden name I wonder if he would be asked to run as David Stein, or some other possible family name….

  182. Thinking out loud...

    I’m curious, if David Greenwald ran for city council would he be asked to change his name too?

    Since he doesn’t have a maiden name I wonder if he would be asked to run as David Stein, or some other possible family name….

  183. Thinking out loud...

    I’m curious, if David Greenwald ran for city council would he be asked to change his name too?

    Since he doesn’t have a maiden name I wonder if he would be asked to run as David Stein, or some other possible family name….

  184. Thinking out loud...

    I’m curious, if David Greenwald ran for city council would he be asked to change his name too?

    Since he doesn’t have a maiden name I wonder if he would be asked to run as David Stein, or some other possible family name….

  185. Don Shor

    Sue wrote: “You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too).”
    Yes, and if I ran for city council (not happenin’…) I would expect that to be an issue.

    “Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.”

    Yep, by 674 votes.
    But that is partly my point. If Cecilia runs, the HRC will become an issue in the campaign. And it is all she is known for. There was controversy, caused by (you choose):

    –things she said, or

    –the way her comments were quoted.

    In either case, that is probably not the best starting point if the goal is a sensible-growth majority on the council in 2008.

    Having said that, Cecilia has a great personality which would serve her well as a campaigner. If we had district elections, she could probably win. City-wide, I think she would have difficulty overcoming the perceptions created by the whole HRC conflict. Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

  186. Don Shor

    Sue wrote: “You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too).”
    Yes, and if I ran for city council (not happenin’…) I would expect that to be an issue.

    “Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.”

    Yep, by 674 votes.
    But that is partly my point. If Cecilia runs, the HRC will become an issue in the campaign. And it is all she is known for. There was controversy, caused by (you choose):

    –things she said, or

    –the way her comments were quoted.

    In either case, that is probably not the best starting point if the goal is a sensible-growth majority on the council in 2008.

    Having said that, Cecilia has a great personality which would serve her well as a campaigner. If we had district elections, she could probably win. City-wide, I think she would have difficulty overcoming the perceptions created by the whole HRC conflict. Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

  187. Don Shor

    Sue wrote: “You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too).”
    Yes, and if I ran for city council (not happenin’…) I would expect that to be an issue.

    “Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.”

    Yep, by 674 votes.
    But that is partly my point. If Cecilia runs, the HRC will become an issue in the campaign. And it is all she is known for. There was controversy, caused by (you choose):

    –things she said, or

    –the way her comments were quoted.

    In either case, that is probably not the best starting point if the goal is a sensible-growth majority on the council in 2008.

    Having said that, Cecilia has a great personality which would serve her well as a campaigner. If we had district elections, she could probably win. City-wide, I think she would have difficulty overcoming the perceptions created by the whole HRC conflict. Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

  188. Don Shor

    Sue wrote: “You could be considered controversial because you opposed the Target store (which I did too).”
    Yes, and if I ran for city council (not happenin’…) I would expect that to be an issue.

    “Since it passed I guess one could say that you were out of line with the majority of what Davis wanted.”

    Yep, by 674 votes.
    But that is partly my point. If Cecilia runs, the HRC will become an issue in the campaign. And it is all she is known for. There was controversy, caused by (you choose):

    –things she said, or

    –the way her comments were quoted.

    In either case, that is probably not the best starting point if the goal is a sensible-growth majority on the council in 2008.

    Having said that, Cecilia has a great personality which would serve her well as a campaigner. If we had district elections, she could probably win. City-wide, I think she would have difficulty overcoming the perceptions created by the whole HRC conflict. Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

  189. Ann

    Don Shor –

    I have to correct you.

    Cecilia has a long history in the community in Democratic politics and other volunteer activities and campaigns.

    As a students she was extremely involved at the university and in the community.

    Many old timers,students, professors, and members of the general public know her for her hard work and willingness to discuss difficult issues and her volunteer work.

    Just because the emptyprise reports things does not mean that you need to believe all that you read.

    She is a very experienced campaigner and has worked extensively for a lot of good issues including land use issues. She’s smart and has a lot of people (including myself) asking her to run for council.

    I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Again, you’re an intelligent man. Don’t play the labeling game.

    Let’s rally around Sue and Cecilia and get a council majority.

    Ann

  190. Ann

    Don Shor –

    I have to correct you.

    Cecilia has a long history in the community in Democratic politics and other volunteer activities and campaigns.

    As a students she was extremely involved at the university and in the community.

    Many old timers,students, professors, and members of the general public know her for her hard work and willingness to discuss difficult issues and her volunteer work.

    Just because the emptyprise reports things does not mean that you need to believe all that you read.

    She is a very experienced campaigner and has worked extensively for a lot of good issues including land use issues. She’s smart and has a lot of people (including myself) asking her to run for council.

    I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Again, you’re an intelligent man. Don’t play the labeling game.

    Let’s rally around Sue and Cecilia and get a council majority.

    Ann

  191. Ann

    Don Shor –

    I have to correct you.

    Cecilia has a long history in the community in Democratic politics and other volunteer activities and campaigns.

    As a students she was extremely involved at the university and in the community.

    Many old timers,students, professors, and members of the general public know her for her hard work and willingness to discuss difficult issues and her volunteer work.

    Just because the emptyprise reports things does not mean that you need to believe all that you read.

    She is a very experienced campaigner and has worked extensively for a lot of good issues including land use issues. She’s smart and has a lot of people (including myself) asking her to run for council.

    I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Again, you’re an intelligent man. Don’t play the labeling game.

    Let’s rally around Sue and Cecilia and get a council majority.

    Ann

  192. Ann

    Don Shor –

    I have to correct you.

    Cecilia has a long history in the community in Democratic politics and other volunteer activities and campaigns.

    As a students she was extremely involved at the university and in the community.

    Many old timers,students, professors, and members of the general public know her for her hard work and willingness to discuss difficult issues and her volunteer work.

    Just because the emptyprise reports things does not mean that you need to believe all that you read.

    She is a very experienced campaigner and has worked extensively for a lot of good issues including land use issues. She’s smart and has a lot of people (including myself) asking her to run for council.

    I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Again, you’re an intelligent man. Don’t play the labeling game.

    Let’s rally around Sue and Cecilia and get a council majority.

    Ann

  193. Anonymous

    . . .I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Maybe. But Don’s right about perceptions. Good or ill the EmptyPrize is still the source of most local’s political information. That’s not a judgement on any candidate’s qualifications, just a plain fact.

    And Rexroad is right: the name game is over the edge.

  194. Anonymous

    . . .I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Maybe. But Don’s right about perceptions. Good or ill the EmptyPrize is still the source of most local’s political information. That’s not a judgement on any candidate’s qualifications, just a plain fact.

    And Rexroad is right: the name game is over the edge.

  195. Anonymous

    . . .I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Maybe. But Don’s right about perceptions. Good or ill the EmptyPrize is still the source of most local’s political information. That’s not a judgement on any candidate’s qualifications, just a plain fact.

    And Rexroad is right: the name game is over the edge.

  196. Anonymous

    . . .I bet if you were to sit and talk to her you would find that you actually agree with her on a lot of issues.

    Maybe. But Don’s right about perceptions. Good or ill the EmptyPrize is still the source of most local’s political information. That’s not a judgement on any candidate’s qualifications, just a plain fact.

    And Rexroad is right: the name game is over the edge.

  197. Anonymous

    I have the solution to this vexing problem:

    Since it is so expensive to run for elective office in this day and age, why don’t Sue and Cecelia share campaign expenses. I can see it now – lawn signs urging “VOTE TWICE FOR GREENWALD FOR CITY COUNCIL”

  198. Anonymous

    I have the solution to this vexing problem:

    Since it is so expensive to run for elective office in this day and age, why don’t Sue and Cecelia share campaign expenses. I can see it now – lawn signs urging “VOTE TWICE FOR GREENWALD FOR CITY COUNCIL”

  199. Anonymous

    I have the solution to this vexing problem:

    Since it is so expensive to run for elective office in this day and age, why don’t Sue and Cecelia share campaign expenses. I can see it now – lawn signs urging “VOTE TWICE FOR GREENWALD FOR CITY COUNCIL”

  200. Anonymous

    I have the solution to this vexing problem:

    Since it is so expensive to run for elective office in this day and age, why don’t Sue and Cecelia share campaign expenses. I can see it now – lawn signs urging “VOTE TWICE FOR GREENWALD FOR CITY COUNCIL”

  201. 無名 - wu ming

    Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

    bingo. it’s really hard to get a sense for who has the advantage or disadvantage in a race until you know who’s ultimately going to be running in the final set. often the top 2 or 3 vote getters that win seats on city council are separated from the rest of the pack by a couple of percentage points.

    which is why i find the system of making the person with the highest vote total the mayor rather silly. better to just elect a mayor citywide, and go to district elections for the rest.

    at any rate, in such a sort of race, being controversial doesn’t necessarily put one at a disadvantage in a race where you only need between 20-12% of the vote to get a seat, especially if that controversy also allows one to pick up one side of the debte as supporters. the real tricky thing is how the % of the davis electorate that votes in blocs (not the whole, or evern a majority, but a significant chunk nonetheless) concentrates or diffuses their votes with multiple candidates.

    that is, i suspect, what sue greenwald is concerned about here, name silliness aside.

  202. 無名 - wu ming

    Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

    bingo. it’s really hard to get a sense for who has the advantage or disadvantage in a race until you know who’s ultimately going to be running in the final set. often the top 2 or 3 vote getters that win seats on city council are separated from the rest of the pack by a couple of percentage points.

    which is why i find the system of making the person with the highest vote total the mayor rather silly. better to just elect a mayor citywide, and go to district elections for the rest.

    at any rate, in such a sort of race, being controversial doesn’t necessarily put one at a disadvantage in a race where you only need between 20-12% of the vote to get a seat, especially if that controversy also allows one to pick up one side of the debte as supporters. the real tricky thing is how the % of the davis electorate that votes in blocs (not the whole, or evern a majority, but a significant chunk nonetheless) concentrates or diffuses their votes with multiple candidates.

    that is, i suspect, what sue greenwald is concerned about here, name silliness aside.

  203. 無名 - wu ming

    Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

    bingo. it’s really hard to get a sense for who has the advantage or disadvantage in a race until you know who’s ultimately going to be running in the final set. often the top 2 or 3 vote getters that win seats on city council are separated from the rest of the pack by a couple of percentage points.

    which is why i find the system of making the person with the highest vote total the mayor rather silly. better to just elect a mayor citywide, and go to district elections for the rest.

    at any rate, in such a sort of race, being controversial doesn’t necessarily put one at a disadvantage in a race where you only need between 20-12% of the vote to get a seat, especially if that controversy also allows one to pick up one side of the debte as supporters. the real tricky thing is how the % of the davis electorate that votes in blocs (not the whole, or evern a majority, but a significant chunk nonetheless) concentrates or diffuses their votes with multiple candidates.

    that is, i suspect, what sue greenwald is concerned about here, name silliness aside.

  204. 無名 - wu ming

    Obviously, the final outcome would depend largely on who else is in the race, how the vote gets split, etc.

    bingo. it’s really hard to get a sense for who has the advantage or disadvantage in a race until you know who’s ultimately going to be running in the final set. often the top 2 or 3 vote getters that win seats on city council are separated from the rest of the pack by a couple of percentage points.

    which is why i find the system of making the person with the highest vote total the mayor rather silly. better to just elect a mayor citywide, and go to district elections for the rest.

    at any rate, in such a sort of race, being controversial doesn’t necessarily put one at a disadvantage in a race where you only need between 20-12% of the vote to get a seat, especially if that controversy also allows one to pick up one side of the debte as supporters. the real tricky thing is how the % of the davis electorate that votes in blocs (not the whole, or evern a majority, but a significant chunk nonetheless) concentrates or diffuses their votes with multiple candidates.

    that is, i suspect, what sue greenwald is concerned about here, name silliness aside.

  205. Rich Rifkin

    “She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved.”

    Because we don’t have precincts in Davis, it’s fairly hard to walk them.

    Nonetheless, I do know that Sue Greenwald has campaigned door-to-door in the past. The other four likely all have done the same. And I’m sure whoever runs in 2008 will campaign on foot as much as possible.

    Unfortunately, Davis is now too big of a city for a candidate to reach every home in this manner. Back in the old days — up to about 1980 — every candidate was able to get to every household. But that is no longer possible. Yet it amazes me how hard these folks work to win office for a job which essentially pays no money and takes a whole lot of time — only to have a goodly number of anonymous bloggers here take personal swipes at them and presume malicious motives for their actions. Given that, I really can’t understand why anyone would want to be on our city council.

  206. Rich Rifkin

    “She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved.”

    Because we don’t have precincts in Davis, it’s fairly hard to walk them.

    Nonetheless, I do know that Sue Greenwald has campaigned door-to-door in the past. The other four likely all have done the same. And I’m sure whoever runs in 2008 will campaign on foot as much as possible.

    Unfortunately, Davis is now too big of a city for a candidate to reach every home in this manner. Back in the old days — up to about 1980 — every candidate was able to get to every household. But that is no longer possible. Yet it amazes me how hard these folks work to win office for a job which essentially pays no money and takes a whole lot of time — only to have a goodly number of anonymous bloggers here take personal swipes at them and presume malicious motives for their actions. Given that, I really can’t understand why anyone would want to be on our city council.

  207. Rich Rifkin

    “She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved.”

    Because we don’t have precincts in Davis, it’s fairly hard to walk them.

    Nonetheless, I do know that Sue Greenwald has campaigned door-to-door in the past. The other four likely all have done the same. And I’m sure whoever runs in 2008 will campaign on foot as much as possible.

    Unfortunately, Davis is now too big of a city for a candidate to reach every home in this manner. Back in the old days — up to about 1980 — every candidate was able to get to every household. But that is no longer possible. Yet it amazes me how hard these folks work to win office for a job which essentially pays no money and takes a whole lot of time — only to have a goodly number of anonymous bloggers here take personal swipes at them and presume malicious motives for their actions. Given that, I really can’t understand why anyone would want to be on our city council.

  208. Rich Rifkin

    “She does not walk precincts, she does not donate money, she does nothing but reiterate how many votes she recieved.”

    Because we don’t have precincts in Davis, it’s fairly hard to walk them.

    Nonetheless, I do know that Sue Greenwald has campaigned door-to-door in the past. The other four likely all have done the same. And I’m sure whoever runs in 2008 will campaign on foot as much as possible.

    Unfortunately, Davis is now too big of a city for a candidate to reach every home in this manner. Back in the old days — up to about 1980 — every candidate was able to get to every household. But that is no longer possible. Yet it amazes me how hard these folks work to win office for a job which essentially pays no money and takes a whole lot of time — only to have a goodly number of anonymous bloggers here take personal swipes at them and presume malicious motives for their actions. Given that, I really can’t understand why anyone would want to be on our city council.

  209. Anonymous

    We have precincts we don’t have districts.

    As for Sue being for smart growth that is incorrect Sue is for no growth. She has opposed every housing project of any scale going all the way back to Wildhorse before she was on the council. She doesn’t believe that supply and demand has an effect on housing prices which allows here to deny the reality of realty in this town. She thinks California is over carrying capacity and by not building we will force people to move out of the state. Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.

    Of course by not providing the infrastructure for educating the people who are already here in California she chooses the landed gentry over the dispossesed. Sue would be a republican anywhere else and probably would be a xenophobic one at that if you interpret her remarks about carrying capacity through the prism of immigration.

  210. Anonymous

    We have precincts we don’t have districts.

    As for Sue being for smart growth that is incorrect Sue is for no growth. She has opposed every housing project of any scale going all the way back to Wildhorse before she was on the council. She doesn’t believe that supply and demand has an effect on housing prices which allows here to deny the reality of realty in this town. She thinks California is over carrying capacity and by not building we will force people to move out of the state. Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.

    Of course by not providing the infrastructure for educating the people who are already here in California she chooses the landed gentry over the dispossesed. Sue would be a republican anywhere else and probably would be a xenophobic one at that if you interpret her remarks about carrying capacity through the prism of immigration.

  211. Anonymous

    We have precincts we don’t have districts.

    As for Sue being for smart growth that is incorrect Sue is for no growth. She has opposed every housing project of any scale going all the way back to Wildhorse before she was on the council. She doesn’t believe that supply and demand has an effect on housing prices which allows here to deny the reality of realty in this town. She thinks California is over carrying capacity and by not building we will force people to move out of the state. Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.

    Of course by not providing the infrastructure for educating the people who are already here in California she chooses the landed gentry over the dispossesed. Sue would be a republican anywhere else and probably would be a xenophobic one at that if you interpret her remarks about carrying capacity through the prism of immigration.

  212. Anonymous

    We have precincts we don’t have districts.

    As for Sue being for smart growth that is incorrect Sue is for no growth. She has opposed every housing project of any scale going all the way back to Wildhorse before she was on the council. She doesn’t believe that supply and demand has an effect on housing prices which allows here to deny the reality of realty in this town. She thinks California is over carrying capacity and by not building we will force people to move out of the state. Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.

    Of course by not providing the infrastructure for educating the people who are already here in California she chooses the landed gentry over the dispossesed. Sue would be a republican anywhere else and probably would be a xenophobic one at that if you interpret her remarks about carrying capacity through the prism of immigration.

  213. davisite

    “Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.”

    Sue’s Mayor table(it really should be a kiosk more like Lucy’s) is a delightful idea for getting to meet the voters at the Farmers Market.. it’s a real “tickle” that makes me smile every time I walk past.

  214. davisite

    “Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.”

    Sue’s Mayor table(it really should be a kiosk more like Lucy’s) is a delightful idea for getting to meet the voters at the Farmers Market.. it’s a real “tickle” that makes me smile every time I walk past.

  215. davisite

    “Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.”

    Sue’s Mayor table(it really should be a kiosk more like Lucy’s) is a delightful idea for getting to meet the voters at the Farmers Market.. it’s a real “tickle” that makes me smile every time I walk past.

  216. davisite

    “Don’t believe this anonymous poster ask her yourself when she sits at the farmers market like Lucy dispensing advise for less than a nickle a pop.”

    Sue’s Mayor table(it really should be a kiosk more like Lucy’s) is a delightful idea for getting to meet the voters at the Farmers Market.. it’s a real “tickle” that makes me smile every time I walk past.

  217. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous is correct when he/she wrote that we do indeed have precincts. we do not have city council districts, which is what i suspect rifkin was meaning to say.

  218. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous is correct when he/she wrote that we do indeed have precincts. we do not have city council districts, which is what i suspect rifkin was meaning to say.

  219. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous is correct when he/she wrote that we do indeed have precincts. we do not have city council districts, which is what i suspect rifkin was meaning to say.

  220. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous is correct when he/she wrote that we do indeed have precincts. we do not have city council districts, which is what i suspect rifkin was meaning to say.

  221. Robin

    I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.

  222. Robin

    I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.

  223. Robin

    I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.

  224. Robin

    I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.

  225. Don Mooney

    I agree that Cecilia should change her name – to “Sue”. Now that we could have fun with.

    This so called name issue is absolutely absurd. After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald? Sue has essentially called the good voters of Davis ignorant. Sue, I think we can tell the two of you apart quite easily, and your little rant about the “name issue” has made it so much easier for us ignorant voters to figure out who to vote for.

  226. Don Mooney

    I agree that Cecilia should change her name – to “Sue”. Now that we could have fun with.

    This so called name issue is absolutely absurd. After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald? Sue has essentially called the good voters of Davis ignorant. Sue, I think we can tell the two of you apart quite easily, and your little rant about the “name issue” has made it so much easier for us ignorant voters to figure out who to vote for.

  227. Don Mooney

    I agree that Cecilia should change her name – to “Sue”. Now that we could have fun with.

    This so called name issue is absolutely absurd. After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald? Sue has essentially called the good voters of Davis ignorant. Sue, I think we can tell the two of you apart quite easily, and your little rant about the “name issue” has made it so much easier for us ignorant voters to figure out who to vote for.

  228. Don Mooney

    I agree that Cecilia should change her name – to “Sue”. Now that we could have fun with.

    This so called name issue is absolutely absurd. After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald? Sue has essentially called the good voters of Davis ignorant. Sue, I think we can tell the two of you apart quite easily, and your little rant about the “name issue” has made it so much easier for us ignorant voters to figure out who to vote for.

  229. Anonymous

    Don Mooney said:

    “After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald?”

    Insecure? Attention blog administrator! Another personal attack (according to the new Vanguard standard.) Clearly, a veiled reference to Sue Greenwald’s mental state. Should be deleted immediately.

    Meanwhile, I’ll return to the Daily Kos and other progressive blogs where it is totally acceptable to call our President insane, along with his crazy war and his nutcase vice president.

  230. Anonymous

    Don Mooney said:

    “After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald?”

    Insecure? Attention blog administrator! Another personal attack (according to the new Vanguard standard.) Clearly, a veiled reference to Sue Greenwald’s mental state. Should be deleted immediately.

    Meanwhile, I’ll return to the Daily Kos and other progressive blogs where it is totally acceptable to call our President insane, along with his crazy war and his nutcase vice president.

  231. Anonymous

    Don Mooney said:

    “After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald?”

    Insecure? Attention blog administrator! Another personal attack (according to the new Vanguard standard.) Clearly, a veiled reference to Sue Greenwald’s mental state. Should be deleted immediately.

    Meanwhile, I’ll return to the Daily Kos and other progressive blogs where it is totally acceptable to call our President insane, along with his crazy war and his nutcase vice president.

  232. Anonymous

    Don Mooney said:

    “After 8 eight years on the Council and two years as mayor is Sue so insecure that she doesn’t think that the voters can tell her apart from Cecillia Esmilla-Greenwald?”

    Insecure? Attention blog administrator! Another personal attack (according to the new Vanguard standard.) Clearly, a veiled reference to Sue Greenwald’s mental state. Should be deleted immediately.

    Meanwhile, I’ll return to the Daily Kos and other progressive blogs where it is totally acceptable to call our President insane, along with his crazy war and his nutcase vice president.

  233. Vincente

    “I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.”

    Amen, Robin. Amen.

  234. Vincente

    “I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.”

    Amen, Robin. Amen.

  235. Vincente

    “I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.”

    Amen, Robin. Amen.

  236. Vincente

    “I would love to see progressives put this level of effort into devising strategies to insure that one (or both) of the pro-growth incumbents does not end up among the top 3 vote-getters in the next City Council election.”

    Amen, Robin. Amen.

  237. Anonymous

    Who are the blog adminstrators, er censors, anwyway? Shouldn’t there be a little accountability here? Even Debbie Davis at the Emptyprize fesses up to her acts of censorship and has to stand behind them.

  238. Anonymous

    Who are the blog adminstrators, er censors, anwyway? Shouldn’t there be a little accountability here? Even Debbie Davis at the Emptyprize fesses up to her acts of censorship and has to stand behind them.

  239. Anonymous

    Who are the blog adminstrators, er censors, anwyway? Shouldn’t there be a little accountability here? Even Debbie Davis at the Emptyprize fesses up to her acts of censorship and has to stand behind them.

  240. Anonymous

    Who are the blog adminstrators, er censors, anwyway? Shouldn’t there be a little accountability here? Even Debbie Davis at the Emptyprize fesses up to her acts of censorship and has to stand behind them.

  241. Anonymous

    A blog is not a newspaper…the blogger sets the rules of disengagement, i.e., to delete or not to delete. At least the blog administrator lets us know a comment has been deleted.
    The letters to the editor Debbie Davis has seen fit to not print must fill a large landfill somewhere by now.
    Also, note the Enterprise “letters to the editor” policy of “editing for length” (if a letter is too long, what gets edited out? Only the editors know.)

  242. Anonymous

    A blog is not a newspaper…the blogger sets the rules of disengagement, i.e., to delete or not to delete. At least the blog administrator lets us know a comment has been deleted.
    The letters to the editor Debbie Davis has seen fit to not print must fill a large landfill somewhere by now.
    Also, note the Enterprise “letters to the editor” policy of “editing for length” (if a letter is too long, what gets edited out? Only the editors know.)

  243. Anonymous

    A blog is not a newspaper…the blogger sets the rules of disengagement, i.e., to delete or not to delete. At least the blog administrator lets us know a comment has been deleted.
    The letters to the editor Debbie Davis has seen fit to not print must fill a large landfill somewhere by now.
    Also, note the Enterprise “letters to the editor” policy of “editing for length” (if a letter is too long, what gets edited out? Only the editors know.)

  244. Anonymous

    A blog is not a newspaper…the blogger sets the rules of disengagement, i.e., to delete or not to delete. At least the blog administrator lets us know a comment has been deleted.
    The letters to the editor Debbie Davis has seen fit to not print must fill a large landfill somewhere by now.
    Also, note the Enterprise “letters to the editor” policy of “editing for length” (if a letter is too long, what gets edited out? Only the editors know.)

  245. Anonymous

    On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is (usually the blog host.) And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees. I don’t know if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the administrators are. Nor do we know the “rules of disengagement.” I would like to here from David on this, not an anonymous poster.

  246. Anonymous

    On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is (usually the blog host.) And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees. I don’t know if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the administrators are. Nor do we know the “rules of disengagement.” I would like to here from David on this, not an anonymous poster.

  247. Anonymous

    On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is (usually the blog host.) And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees. I don’t know if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the administrators are. Nor do we know the “rules of disengagement.” I would like to here from David on this, not an anonymous poster.

  248. Anonymous

    On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is (usually the blog host.) And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees. I don’t know if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the administrators are. Nor do we know the “rules of disengagement.” I would like to here from David on this, not an anonymous poster.

  249. Anonymous

    Anonymous wrote:
    “On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is …
    And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees.”

    Here’s the tired old “whether-to-allow-anonymous-posting” tactic arising now in the guise of challenging the credibility of blog administrators.
    The point being, of course, to challenge personal credibility, not to find out who the blog administrator is.
    The anonymous poster who posted the anonymous comment above neglected, however, to define the term “credible blog.” Is s/he trying to say The People’s Vanguard of Davis is not a credible blog?
    As for anonymous’s reference to “impartial referees,” what’s the standard of impartiality applying to Debbie Davis? No one will ever know what letters to the editor she’s deep-sixed.

    Anonymous goes on to complain:
    “I don’t know [as far as editing] if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the [blog] administrators are.”
    What difference does it make who the referees are? If they wish to challenge any idea raised on the thread they will, no matter who they are.
    Don’t fool yourself, anonymouse, Debbie Davis, as part of the ongoing editorial process which typically occurs in editorial offices around the country, has happened to mention in many a casual conversation “it’d be nice to see this (whatever burning issue) mentioned in a letter to the editor or column or article” to her friends or colleagues…editors exert their influence in many anonymous ways…which is how they do their jobs…

  250. Anonymous

    Anonymous wrote:
    “On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is …
    And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees.”

    Here’s the tired old “whether-to-allow-anonymous-posting” tactic arising now in the guise of challenging the credibility of blog administrators.
    The point being, of course, to challenge personal credibility, not to find out who the blog administrator is.
    The anonymous poster who posted the anonymous comment above neglected, however, to define the term “credible blog.” Is s/he trying to say The People’s Vanguard of Davis is not a credible blog?
    As for anonymous’s reference to “impartial referees,” what’s the standard of impartiality applying to Debbie Davis? No one will ever know what letters to the editor she’s deep-sixed.

    Anonymous goes on to complain:
    “I don’t know [as far as editing] if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the [blog] administrators are.”
    What difference does it make who the referees are? If they wish to challenge any idea raised on the thread they will, no matter who they are.
    Don’t fool yourself, anonymouse, Debbie Davis, as part of the ongoing editorial process which typically occurs in editorial offices around the country, has happened to mention in many a casual conversation “it’d be nice to see this (whatever burning issue) mentioned in a letter to the editor or column or article” to her friends or colleagues…editors exert their influence in many anonymous ways…which is how they do their jobs…

  251. Anonymous

    Anonymous wrote:
    “On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is …
    And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees.”

    Here’s the tired old “whether-to-allow-anonymous-posting” tactic arising now in the guise of challenging the credibility of blog administrators.
    The point being, of course, to challenge personal credibility, not to find out who the blog administrator is.
    The anonymous poster who posted the anonymous comment above neglected, however, to define the term “credible blog.” Is s/he trying to say The People’s Vanguard of Davis is not a credible blog?
    As for anonymous’s reference to “impartial referees,” what’s the standard of impartiality applying to Debbie Davis? No one will ever know what letters to the editor she’s deep-sixed.

    Anonymous goes on to complain:
    “I don’t know [as far as editing] if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the [blog] administrators are.”
    What difference does it make who the referees are? If they wish to challenge any idea raised on the thread they will, no matter who they are.
    Don’t fool yourself, anonymouse, Debbie Davis, as part of the ongoing editorial process which typically occurs in editorial offices around the country, has happened to mention in many a casual conversation “it’d be nice to see this (whatever burning issue) mentioned in a letter to the editor or column or article” to her friends or colleagues…editors exert their influence in many anonymous ways…which is how they do their jobs…

  252. Anonymous

    Anonymous wrote:
    “On most creidble blogs you know who the administrator is …
    And the administrator usually doesn’t participate in the comment thread beyond comments directed to the administrator/blogger, remaining as impartial referees.”

    Here’s the tired old “whether-to-allow-anonymous-posting” tactic arising now in the guise of challenging the credibility of blog administrators.
    The point being, of course, to challenge personal credibility, not to find out who the blog administrator is.
    The anonymous poster who posted the anonymous comment above neglected, however, to define the term “credible blog.” Is s/he trying to say The People’s Vanguard of Davis is not a credible blog?
    As for anonymous’s reference to “impartial referees,” what’s the standard of impartiality applying to Debbie Davis? No one will ever know what letters to the editor she’s deep-sixed.

    Anonymous goes on to complain:
    “I don’t know [as far as editing] if that is the case here or not, since we don’t know who the [blog] administrators are.”
    What difference does it make who the referees are? If they wish to challenge any idea raised on the thread they will, no matter who they are.
    Don’t fool yourself, anonymouse, Debbie Davis, as part of the ongoing editorial process which typically occurs in editorial offices around the country, has happened to mention in many a casual conversation “it’d be nice to see this (whatever burning issue) mentioned in a letter to the editor or column or article” to her friends or colleagues…editors exert their influence in many anonymous ways…which is how they do their jobs…

  253. Doug Paul Davis

    I really did not want to be commenting in this thread, but I will say this. I would not have deleted those posts, I try to err on the side of not deleting posts. The decision was made, we’ll solve that when it arises the next time. In the meantime, ultimately I am responsible for the operations of this thread and anyone that feels that things have not been treated properly should talk to me and I will make sure that they are.

  254. Doug Paul Davis

    I really did not want to be commenting in this thread, but I will say this. I would not have deleted those posts, I try to err on the side of not deleting posts. The decision was made, we’ll solve that when it arises the next time. In the meantime, ultimately I am responsible for the operations of this thread and anyone that feels that things have not been treated properly should talk to me and I will make sure that they are.

  255. Doug Paul Davis

    I really did not want to be commenting in this thread, but I will say this. I would not have deleted those posts, I try to err on the side of not deleting posts. The decision was made, we’ll solve that when it arises the next time. In the meantime, ultimately I am responsible for the operations of this thread and anyone that feels that things have not been treated properly should talk to me and I will make sure that they are.

  256. Doug Paul Davis

    I really did not want to be commenting in this thread, but I will say this. I would not have deleted those posts, I try to err on the side of not deleting posts. The decision was made, we’ll solve that when it arises the next time. In the meantime, ultimately I am responsible for the operations of this thread and anyone that feels that things have not been treated properly should talk to me and I will make sure that they are.

  257. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I missed all the excitement.

    One of the amdministrators said:

    “I have temporarily removed postings that include over-the-line personal attacks and name calling. The blog administrators will look them over and repost any that were removed in error. “

    DPD, given your last comment, does this mean those earlier posts will be reposted? Or were they permanently deleted?

    It would be nice to read what all the fuss is about.

  258. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I missed all the excitement.

    One of the amdministrators said:

    “I have temporarily removed postings that include over-the-line personal attacks and name calling. The blog administrators will look them over and repost any that were removed in error. “

    DPD, given your last comment, does this mean those earlier posts will be reposted? Or were they permanently deleted?

    It would be nice to read what all the fuss is about.

  259. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I missed all the excitement.

    One of the amdministrators said:

    “I have temporarily removed postings that include over-the-line personal attacks and name calling. The blog administrators will look them over and repost any that were removed in error. “

    DPD, given your last comment, does this mean those earlier posts will be reposted? Or were they permanently deleted?

    It would be nice to read what all the fuss is about.

  260. Anonymous

    Unfortunately, I missed all the excitement.

    One of the amdministrators said:

    “I have temporarily removed postings that include over-the-line personal attacks and name calling. The blog administrators will look them over and repost any that were removed in error. “

    DPD, given your last comment, does this mean those earlier posts will be reposted? Or were they permanently deleted?

    It would be nice to read what all the fuss is about.

  261. Doug Paul Davis

    I do not appear to have the ability to repost them. I thought they butted up to the line but did not cross it. I think a public figure gets less cover than a private blog poster in terms of namecalling and personal criticism.

  262. Doug Paul Davis

    I do not appear to have the ability to repost them. I thought they butted up to the line but did not cross it. I think a public figure gets less cover than a private blog poster in terms of namecalling and personal criticism.

  263. Doug Paul Davis

    I do not appear to have the ability to repost them. I thought they butted up to the line but did not cross it. I think a public figure gets less cover than a private blog poster in terms of namecalling and personal criticism.

  264. Doug Paul Davis

    I do not appear to have the ability to repost them. I thought they butted up to the line but did not cross it. I think a public figure gets less cover than a private blog poster in terms of namecalling and personal criticism.

  265. Anonymous

    As the 100th commentator I want to take a moment to mark this milestone. I think I can speak for many others when I say this issue of “Greenwald” name calling is one of the most entertaining to hit Davis as evidenced by the record breaking amount of comments. In private conversations this issue has also been on the tip of everyone’s tongues. Two things: 1. The left/liberal/progressive is smart enough to keep the Greenwalds strait. I personally will vote for both. 2. Discussions such as these are exactly what Davis needs and what that “dark underbelly” sought to suppress. This blog should do everything in its power to promote this strength which is the engine of its success and do away with censorship. I would recommend an adults only section…or deleted comments section for those comments that may be considered “over the top” by one individual. Of course knock out the juvenile “F” and “S” words, but let everything else stand on its own. Viva la Vanguard and freespeach.

  266. Anonymous

    As the 100th commentator I want to take a moment to mark this milestone. I think I can speak for many others when I say this issue of “Greenwald” name calling is one of the most entertaining to hit Davis as evidenced by the record breaking amount of comments. In private conversations this issue has also been on the tip of everyone’s tongues. Two things: 1. The left/liberal/progressive is smart enough to keep the Greenwalds strait. I personally will vote for both. 2. Discussions such as these are exactly what Davis needs and what that “dark underbelly” sought to suppress. This blog should do everything in its power to promote this strength which is the engine of its success and do away with censorship. I would recommend an adults only section…or deleted comments section for those comments that may be considered “over the top” by one individual. Of course knock out the juvenile “F” and “S” words, but let everything else stand on its own. Viva la Vanguard and freespeach.

  267. Anonymous

    As the 100th commentator I want to take a moment to mark this milestone. I think I can speak for many others when I say this issue of “Greenwald” name calling is one of the most entertaining to hit Davis as evidenced by the record breaking amount of comments. In private conversations this issue has also been on the tip of everyone’s tongues. Two things: 1. The left/liberal/progressive is smart enough to keep the Greenwalds strait. I personally will vote for both. 2. Discussions such as these are exactly what Davis needs and what that “dark underbelly” sought to suppress. This blog should do everything in its power to promote this strength which is the engine of its success and do away with censorship. I would recommend an adults only section…or deleted comments section for those comments that may be considered “over the top” by one individual. Of course knock out the juvenile “F” and “S” words, but let everything else stand on its own. Viva la Vanguard and freespeach.

  268. Anonymous

    As the 100th commentator I want to take a moment to mark this milestone. I think I can speak for many others when I say this issue of “Greenwald” name calling is one of the most entertaining to hit Davis as evidenced by the record breaking amount of comments. In private conversations this issue has also been on the tip of everyone’s tongues. Two things: 1. The left/liberal/progressive is smart enough to keep the Greenwalds strait. I personally will vote for both. 2. Discussions such as these are exactly what Davis needs and what that “dark underbelly” sought to suppress. This blog should do everything in its power to promote this strength which is the engine of its success and do away with censorship. I would recommend an adults only section…or deleted comments section for those comments that may be considered “over the top” by one individual. Of course knock out the juvenile “F” and “S” words, but let everything else stand on its own. Viva la Vanguard and freespeach.

  269. Samantha McCarthy

    Don Mooney said after Sue’s little rant we ignorant voters should be able to tell who to vote for. Well apparently, but not necessarily, since some bloggers think after all of Sue’s rants she is still a progressive. Just how many times can a “progressive” decide to go on a rant, pitch a fit because her so called base support of progressives is not doing exactly as she wants and start a splinter group to divide Davis progressives. Oh should we enumerate the ways, times, places or issues? No, too time consuming. Besides how progressive is it to not want to support lest toxic IPM (I believe her words were something like I don’t want to use up my political capital.) or refuse to stand up and join Lamar and say NO to unproven and ineffective aerial pesticide applications over Davis. Skip the splinter groups she isn’t even progressive on environmental issues outside of sprawl development. Sue has done so much to divide Davis progressives that I do think this is where all of us ignorant voters can definitely tell her apart from Cecilia. We just remember with whom we are fed up and who needs a chance, simply no confusion there. But I gottta admit this name thing really is an entertaining kick for a peaceful Davis weekend.

    I have always rather enjoyed seeing Bob running around with his kids, he looks so at ease. Maybe Sue just figured Bob has been working too hard and had to make his life easier. Have a relaxing week Bob!

  270. Samantha McCarthy

    Don Mooney said after Sue’s little rant we ignorant voters should be able to tell who to vote for. Well apparently, but not necessarily, since some bloggers think after all of Sue’s rants she is still a progressive. Just how many times can a “progressive” decide to go on a rant, pitch a fit because her so called base support of progressives is not doing exactly as she wants and start a splinter group to divide Davis progressives. Oh should we enumerate the ways, times, places or issues? No, too time consuming. Besides how progressive is it to not want to support lest toxic IPM (I believe her words were something like I don’t want to use up my political capital.) or refuse to stand up and join Lamar and say NO to unproven and ineffective aerial pesticide applications over Davis. Skip the splinter groups she isn’t even progressive on environmental issues outside of sprawl development. Sue has done so much to divide Davis progressives that I do think this is where all of us ignorant voters can definitely tell her apart from Cecilia. We just remember with whom we are fed up and who needs a chance, simply no confusion there. But I gottta admit this name thing really is an entertaining kick for a peaceful Davis weekend.

    I have always rather enjoyed seeing Bob running around with his kids, he looks so at ease. Maybe Sue just figured Bob has been working too hard and had to make his life easier. Have a relaxing week Bob!

  271. Samantha McCarthy

    Don Mooney said after Sue’s little rant we ignorant voters should be able to tell who to vote for. Well apparently, but not necessarily, since some bloggers think after all of Sue’s rants she is still a progressive. Just how many times can a “progressive” decide to go on a rant, pitch a fit because her so called base support of progressives is not doing exactly as she wants and start a splinter group to divide Davis progressives. Oh should we enumerate the ways, times, places or issues? No, too time consuming. Besides how progressive is it to not want to support lest toxic IPM (I believe her words were something like I don’t want to use up my political capital.) or refuse to stand up and join Lamar and say NO to unproven and ineffective aerial pesticide applications over Davis. Skip the splinter groups she isn’t even progressive on environmental issues outside of sprawl development. Sue has done so much to divide Davis progressives that I do think this is where all of us ignorant voters can definitely tell her apart from Cecilia. We just remember with whom we are fed up and who needs a chance, simply no confusion there. But I gottta admit this name thing really is an entertaining kick for a peaceful Davis weekend.

    I have always rather enjoyed seeing Bob running around with his kids, he looks so at ease. Maybe Sue just figured Bob has been working too hard and had to make his life easier. Have a relaxing week Bob!

  272. Samantha McCarthy

    Don Mooney said after Sue’s little rant we ignorant voters should be able to tell who to vote for. Well apparently, but not necessarily, since some bloggers think after all of Sue’s rants she is still a progressive. Just how many times can a “progressive” decide to go on a rant, pitch a fit because her so called base support of progressives is not doing exactly as she wants and start a splinter group to divide Davis progressives. Oh should we enumerate the ways, times, places or issues? No, too time consuming. Besides how progressive is it to not want to support lest toxic IPM (I believe her words were something like I don’t want to use up my political capital.) or refuse to stand up and join Lamar and say NO to unproven and ineffective aerial pesticide applications over Davis. Skip the splinter groups she isn’t even progressive on environmental issues outside of sprawl development. Sue has done so much to divide Davis progressives that I do think this is where all of us ignorant voters can definitely tell her apart from Cecilia. We just remember with whom we are fed up and who needs a chance, simply no confusion there. But I gottta admit this name thing really is an entertaining kick for a peaceful Davis weekend.

    I have always rather enjoyed seeing Bob running around with his kids, he looks so at ease. Maybe Sue just figured Bob has been working too hard and had to make his life easier. Have a relaxing week Bob!

  273. Sharla Cheney

    The blog administrator who removed the comments was me, Sharla Cheney.

    When I was asked almost a year ago to help monitor the blog comments, DPD and I discussed what would be considered “over the line.” Foul language was one. Personal attacks was another. This was left to my judgment. I had experience in monitoring listservs for my son’s school so I thought I was up to the task.

    I watched the postings all day long. Another blog administrator cautioned posters to no avail. Late that night, I finally made a decision, on my own, to remove postings that crossed over from critism of actions by Sue Greenwald – the mayor, the candidate – to allegations of severe mental illness – the person.

    Regrettably, I did not understand that the postings could not be reposted once removed. For that I apologize. If commentors would like to repost their comments, please do so now. I will not delete them, and leave it for the other administrators to deal with.

    By allowing people to post anonymously there lacks a certain amount of self censorship that would happen if they had to identify themselves. The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking. However, without self censorship and accountability, there is a need for some oversight to prevent abuse.

  274. Sharla Cheney

    The blog administrator who removed the comments was me, Sharla Cheney.

    When I was asked almost a year ago to help monitor the blog comments, DPD and I discussed what would be considered “over the line.” Foul language was one. Personal attacks was another. This was left to my judgment. I had experience in monitoring listservs for my son’s school so I thought I was up to the task.

    I watched the postings all day long. Another blog administrator cautioned posters to no avail. Late that night, I finally made a decision, on my own, to remove postings that crossed over from critism of actions by Sue Greenwald – the mayor, the candidate – to allegations of severe mental illness – the person.

    Regrettably, I did not understand that the postings could not be reposted once removed. For that I apologize. If commentors would like to repost their comments, please do so now. I will not delete them, and leave it for the other administrators to deal with.

    By allowing people to post anonymously there lacks a certain amount of self censorship that would happen if they had to identify themselves. The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking. However, without self censorship and accountability, there is a need for some oversight to prevent abuse.

  275. Sharla Cheney

    The blog administrator who removed the comments was me, Sharla Cheney.

    When I was asked almost a year ago to help monitor the blog comments, DPD and I discussed what would be considered “over the line.” Foul language was one. Personal attacks was another. This was left to my judgment. I had experience in monitoring listservs for my son’s school so I thought I was up to the task.

    I watched the postings all day long. Another blog administrator cautioned posters to no avail. Late that night, I finally made a decision, on my own, to remove postings that crossed over from critism of actions by Sue Greenwald – the mayor, the candidate – to allegations of severe mental illness – the person.

    Regrettably, I did not understand that the postings could not be reposted once removed. For that I apologize. If commentors would like to repost their comments, please do so now. I will not delete them, and leave it for the other administrators to deal with.

    By allowing people to post anonymously there lacks a certain amount of self censorship that would happen if they had to identify themselves. The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking. However, without self censorship and accountability, there is a need for some oversight to prevent abuse.

  276. Sharla Cheney

    The blog administrator who removed the comments was me, Sharla Cheney.

    When I was asked almost a year ago to help monitor the blog comments, DPD and I discussed what would be considered “over the line.” Foul language was one. Personal attacks was another. This was left to my judgment. I had experience in monitoring listservs for my son’s school so I thought I was up to the task.

    I watched the postings all day long. Another blog administrator cautioned posters to no avail. Late that night, I finally made a decision, on my own, to remove postings that crossed over from critism of actions by Sue Greenwald – the mayor, the candidate – to allegations of severe mental illness – the person.

    Regrettably, I did not understand that the postings could not be reposted once removed. For that I apologize. If commentors would like to repost their comments, please do so now. I will not delete them, and leave it for the other administrators to deal with.

    By allowing people to post anonymously there lacks a certain amount of self censorship that would happen if they had to identify themselves. The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking. However, without self censorship and accountability, there is a need for some oversight to prevent abuse.

  277. Anonymous

    Davis Historian said…

    How can we be sure these postings by someone calling themselves “sue greenwald” are in fact by Sue Greenwald? They seem too nutzoid to really be her.

    She admits to self-dealing with developers, wants to park a teen center on the edge of town, complains about someone having a similar hyphenated name running for the same office, and now says she would have run for office using a fictitious name to avoid confusion!!! (If she were the challenger, but not the incumbent?) This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis.

    Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.

  278. Anonymous

    Davis Historian said…

    How can we be sure these postings by someone calling themselves “sue greenwald” are in fact by Sue Greenwald? They seem too nutzoid to really be her.

    She admits to self-dealing with developers, wants to park a teen center on the edge of town, complains about someone having a similar hyphenated name running for the same office, and now says she would have run for office using a fictitious name to avoid confusion!!! (If she were the challenger, but not the incumbent?) This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis.

    Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.

  279. Anonymous

    Davis Historian said…

    How can we be sure these postings by someone calling themselves “sue greenwald” are in fact by Sue Greenwald? They seem too nutzoid to really be her.

    She admits to self-dealing with developers, wants to park a teen center on the edge of town, complains about someone having a similar hyphenated name running for the same office, and now says she would have run for office using a fictitious name to avoid confusion!!! (If she were the challenger, but not the incumbent?) This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis.

    Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.

  280. Anonymous

    Davis Historian said…

    How can we be sure these postings by someone calling themselves “sue greenwald” are in fact by Sue Greenwald? They seem too nutzoid to really be her.

    She admits to self-dealing with developers, wants to park a teen center on the edge of town, complains about someone having a similar hyphenated name running for the same office, and now says she would have run for office using a fictitious name to avoid confusion!!! (If she were the challenger, but not the incumbent?) This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis.

    Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.

  281. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Sue Greenwald is making up a problem where one does not exist. Sue is a double edged sword: well educated, intelligent, and has well thought out positions on many public policy issues; yet she is wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.

  282. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Sue Greenwald is making up a problem where one does not exist. Sue is a double edged sword: well educated, intelligent, and has well thought out positions on many public policy issues; yet she is wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.

  283. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Sue Greenwald is making up a problem where one does not exist. Sue is a double edged sword: well educated, intelligent, and has well thought out positions on many public policy issues; yet she is wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.

  284. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Sue Greenwald is making up a problem where one does not exist. Sue is a double edged sword: well educated, intelligent, and has well thought out positions on many public policy issues; yet she is wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.

  285. Anonymous

    dave r. said…

    “these postings … by Sue Greenwald … seem too nutzoid to really be her. This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis. Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.”

    This is a personal attack, calling someone cuckoo. I guess this website is now a front for the Cecilia election campaign.

    “Sue is … wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.”

    This is a no-class way for Cecilia’s supporters to kick off her campaign.

  286. Anonymous

    dave r. said…

    “these postings … by Sue Greenwald … seem too nutzoid to really be her. This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis. Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.”

    This is a personal attack, calling someone cuckoo. I guess this website is now a front for the Cecilia election campaign.

    “Sue is … wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.”

    This is a no-class way for Cecilia’s supporters to kick off her campaign.

  287. Anonymous

    dave r. said…

    “these postings … by Sue Greenwald … seem too nutzoid to really be her. This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis. Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.”

    This is a personal attack, calling someone cuckoo. I guess this website is now a front for the Cecilia election campaign.

    “Sue is … wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.”

    This is a no-class way for Cecilia’s supporters to kick off her campaign.

  288. Anonymous

    dave r. said…

    “these postings … by Sue Greenwald … seem too nutzoid to really be her. This can’t really be her. Nobody is that cuckoo and gets elected to public office, not even in Davis. Wait a minute. OK. Maybe it is the real Sue.”

    This is a personal attack, calling someone cuckoo. I guess this website is now a front for the Cecilia election campaign.

    “Sue is … wacky and paranoid and will spend endless amounts of time denigrating anyone who she feels is a threat to her—real or imagined. In this case it is imagined.”

    This is a no-class way for Cecilia’s supporters to kick off her campaign.

  289. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…

    I get it now. A political consultant recommended to Cecilia five years ago that she marry David Greenwald in 2002 to assume the legal use of the surname Greenwald for an eventual run for the Davis city council endangering Sue Greenwald’s chances for re-election. Yes, a sneaky political consultant using all that special interest money to take down Sue. Sue change your hat, the current one you are wearing is restricting the blood flow to your noggin.

  290. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…

    I get it now. A political consultant recommended to Cecilia five years ago that she marry David Greenwald in 2002 to assume the legal use of the surname Greenwald for an eventual run for the Davis city council endangering Sue Greenwald’s chances for re-election. Yes, a sneaky political consultant using all that special interest money to take down Sue. Sue change your hat, the current one you are wearing is restricting the blood flow to your noggin.

  291. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…

    I get it now. A political consultant recommended to Cecilia five years ago that she marry David Greenwald in 2002 to assume the legal use of the surname Greenwald for an eventual run for the Davis city council endangering Sue Greenwald’s chances for re-election. Yes, a sneaky political consultant using all that special interest money to take down Sue. Sue change your hat, the current one you are wearing is restricting the blood flow to your noggin.

  292. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…

    I get it now. A political consultant recommended to Cecilia five years ago that she marry David Greenwald in 2002 to assume the legal use of the surname Greenwald for an eventual run for the Davis city council endangering Sue Greenwald’s chances for re-election. Yes, a sneaky political consultant using all that special interest money to take down Sue. Sue change your hat, the current one you are wearing is restricting the blood flow to your noggin.

  293. Anonymous

    anonymous said…

    But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state?

    Cecilia ought to tell her friends to stop making personal attacks on her opponents. It ultimately makes her look bad. It’s probably going to remind everyone of how widely hated Cecilia really is in Davis.

  294. Anonymous

    anonymous said…

    But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state?

    Cecilia ought to tell her friends to stop making personal attacks on her opponents. It ultimately makes her look bad. It’s probably going to remind everyone of how widely hated Cecilia really is in Davis.

  295. Anonymous

    anonymous said…

    But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state?

    Cecilia ought to tell her friends to stop making personal attacks on her opponents. It ultimately makes her look bad. It’s probably going to remind everyone of how widely hated Cecilia really is in Davis.

  296. Anonymous

    anonymous said…

    But why are you forcing loyal supporters like myself to question your mental state?

    Cecilia ought to tell her friends to stop making personal attacks on her opponents. It ultimately makes her look bad. It’s probably going to remind everyone of how widely hated Cecilia really is in Davis.

  297. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Since Sue Greenwald has introduced the subject of a partially shared last name into the up-coming city council race I assume she is running for re-election although she has not announced as such. As previous posters have noted Sue has been spending a great deal of time in the past several weeks calling people in Davis lobbying against a Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald candidacy and now has spoken to the Davis Enterprise about her fears. It has become the talk of the town due solely to Sue’s incessant paranoia, fear and thinking and non-stop calling that she is vulnerable to being defeated by a person having the last name of Escamilla-Greenwald. However one characterizes Sue arguments, behavior and motivations the facts remain—Sue is trying to make this an issue of this to dissuade Cecilia from running for election and that is a shame.

  298. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Since Sue Greenwald has introduced the subject of a partially shared last name into the up-coming city council race I assume she is running for re-election although she has not announced as such. As previous posters have noted Sue has been spending a great deal of time in the past several weeks calling people in Davis lobbying against a Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald candidacy and now has spoken to the Davis Enterprise about her fears. It has become the talk of the town due solely to Sue’s incessant paranoia, fear and thinking and non-stop calling that she is vulnerable to being defeated by a person having the last name of Escamilla-Greenwald. However one characterizes Sue arguments, behavior and motivations the facts remain—Sue is trying to make this an issue of this to dissuade Cecilia from running for election and that is a shame.

  299. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Since Sue Greenwald has introduced the subject of a partially shared last name into the up-coming city council race I assume she is running for re-election although she has not announced as such. As previous posters have noted Sue has been spending a great deal of time in the past several weeks calling people in Davis lobbying against a Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald candidacy and now has spoken to the Davis Enterprise about her fears. It has become the talk of the town due solely to Sue’s incessant paranoia, fear and thinking and non-stop calling that she is vulnerable to being defeated by a person having the last name of Escamilla-Greenwald. However one characterizes Sue arguments, behavior and motivations the facts remain—Sue is trying to make this an issue of this to dissuade Cecilia from running for election and that is a shame.

  300. Anonymous

    No on X Supporter said…

    Since Sue Greenwald has introduced the subject of a partially shared last name into the up-coming city council race I assume she is running for re-election although she has not announced as such. As previous posters have noted Sue has been spending a great deal of time in the past several weeks calling people in Davis lobbying against a Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald candidacy and now has spoken to the Davis Enterprise about her fears. It has become the talk of the town due solely to Sue’s incessant paranoia, fear and thinking and non-stop calling that she is vulnerable to being defeated by a person having the last name of Escamilla-Greenwald. However one characterizes Sue arguments, behavior and motivations the facts remain—Sue is trying to make this an issue of this to dissuade Cecilia from running for election and that is a shame.

  301. conspiracy theorist

    Why assume that those taking a shot at Sue are Cecilia supporters, maybe they are paid political agitators of other incumbents or would be candidates, after all this is Davis land of layered conspiracy theories. Or maybe they are simple folk hoping to see a choice of more than one deserving candidate when they can vote for three. But for the record this conspiracy theorist at present sees only Cecilia as a deserving candidate while hoping for two more to join her. Supporting Cecilia and thinking we have had enough of Sue are in no way connected. There are three spots up and I do not think it reasonable to presume that the paranoia of one mayor means that the writings are concocted by Cecilia supporters to make the mayor look bad, she has done a good job of that all on her own. Wait! That is it. Sue is writing attacks on herself and spending long phone hours getting others to do the same so that she can blog that Cecilia supporters are attacking her. These attacks by Sue (aka fictitious Cecilia supporters) make Cecilia look bad. Oh, I feel so much better having figured out the latest Davis conspiracy. Sue is playing both ends against the middle and all of this has nothing to do with similar last names it was all just a ruse to make Cecilia look bad.

  302. conspiracy theorist

    Why assume that those taking a shot at Sue are Cecilia supporters, maybe they are paid political agitators of other incumbents or would be candidates, after all this is Davis land of layered conspiracy theories. Or maybe they are simple folk hoping to see a choice of more than one deserving candidate when they can vote for three. But for the record this conspiracy theorist at present sees only Cecilia as a deserving candidate while hoping for two more to join her. Supporting Cecilia and thinking we have had enough of Sue are in no way connected. There are three spots up and I do not think it reasonable to presume that the paranoia of one mayor means that the writings are concocted by Cecilia supporters to make the mayor look bad, she has done a good job of that all on her own. Wait! That is it. Sue is writing attacks on herself and spending long phone hours getting others to do the same so that she can blog that Cecilia supporters are attacking her. These attacks by Sue (aka fictitious Cecilia supporters) make Cecilia look bad. Oh, I feel so much better having figured out the latest Davis conspiracy. Sue is playing both ends against the middle and all of this has nothing to do with similar last names it was all just a ruse to make Cecilia look bad.

  303. conspiracy theorist

    Why assume that those taking a shot at Sue are Cecilia supporters, maybe they are paid political agitators of other incumbents or would be candidates, after all this is Davis land of layered conspiracy theories. Or maybe they are simple folk hoping to see a choice of more than one deserving candidate when they can vote for three. But for the record this conspiracy theorist at present sees only Cecilia as a deserving candidate while hoping for two more to join her. Supporting Cecilia and thinking we have had enough of Sue are in no way connected. There are three spots up and I do not think it reasonable to presume that the paranoia of one mayor means that the writings are concocted by Cecilia supporters to make the mayor look bad, she has done a good job of that all on her own. Wait! That is it. Sue is writing attacks on herself and spending long phone hours getting others to do the same so that she can blog that Cecilia supporters are attacking her. These attacks by Sue (aka fictitious Cecilia supporters) make Cecilia look bad. Oh, I feel so much better having figured out the latest Davis conspiracy. Sue is playing both ends against the middle and all of this has nothing to do with similar last names it was all just a ruse to make Cecilia look bad.

  304. conspiracy theorist

    Why assume that those taking a shot at Sue are Cecilia supporters, maybe they are paid political agitators of other incumbents or would be candidates, after all this is Davis land of layered conspiracy theories. Or maybe they are simple folk hoping to see a choice of more than one deserving candidate when they can vote for three. But for the record this conspiracy theorist at present sees only Cecilia as a deserving candidate while hoping for two more to join her. Supporting Cecilia and thinking we have had enough of Sue are in no way connected. There are three spots up and I do not think it reasonable to presume that the paranoia of one mayor means that the writings are concocted by Cecilia supporters to make the mayor look bad, she has done a good job of that all on her own. Wait! That is it. Sue is writing attacks on herself and spending long phone hours getting others to do the same so that she can blog that Cecilia supporters are attacking her. These attacks by Sue (aka fictitious Cecilia supporters) make Cecilia look bad. Oh, I feel so much better having figured out the latest Davis conspiracy. Sue is playing both ends against the middle and all of this has nothing to do with similar last names it was all just a ruse to make Cecilia look bad.

  305. Greenwald & Escamilla-Greenwald Supporter

    How about telling Sue to stop wasting time calling people who support Cecilia and instead use the time working a positive campaign. If she were a team player and put this much effort into a win / win campaign we would all be much better off.

    I support both Mayor Greenwald and candidate to be Escamilla-Greenwald and hope that Sue sees the win /win in this effort. Enough. Please.

  306. Greenwald & Escamilla-

    How about telling Sue to stop wasting time calling people who support Cecilia and instead use the time working a positive campaign. If she were a team player and put this much effort into a win / win campaign we would all be much better off.

    I support both Mayor Greenwald and candidate to be Escamilla-Greenwald and hope that Sue sees the win /win in this effort. Enough. Please.

  307. Greenwald & Escamilla-

    How about telling Sue to stop wasting time calling people who support Cecilia and instead use the time working a positive campaign. If she were a team player and put this much effort into a win / win campaign we would all be much better off.

    I support both Mayor Greenwald and candidate to be Escamilla-Greenwald and hope that Sue sees the win /win in this effort. Enough. Please.

  308. Greenwald & Escamilla-

    How about telling Sue to stop wasting time calling people who support Cecilia and instead use the time working a positive campaign. If she were a team player and put this much effort into a win / win campaign we would all be much better off.

    I support both Mayor Greenwald and candidate to be Escamilla-Greenwald and hope that Sue sees the win /win in this effort. Enough. Please.

  309. Anonymous

    Sharla Cheney wrote:
    “The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking.”

    I totally agree. Sharla identifies the essence of the difference between The People’s Vanguard and the Davis Enterprise, the free flow of ideas.
    When was the last time the editorial staff of the Davis Enterprise admitted or explained why they did not run a letter to the editor for whatever reason?
    Kudos to the Vanguard for providing a free-wheeling forum in which people express their opinions, whatever they may be.
    The First Amendment lives. I detect a pulse among these dozens of comments.
    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out,
    “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

  310. Anonymous

    Sharla Cheney wrote:
    “The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking.”

    I totally agree. Sharla identifies the essence of the difference between The People’s Vanguard and the Davis Enterprise, the free flow of ideas.
    When was the last time the editorial staff of the Davis Enterprise admitted or explained why they did not run a letter to the editor for whatever reason?
    Kudos to the Vanguard for providing a free-wheeling forum in which people express their opinions, whatever they may be.
    The First Amendment lives. I detect a pulse among these dozens of comments.
    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out,
    “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

  311. Anonymous

    Sharla Cheney wrote:
    “The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking.”

    I totally agree. Sharla identifies the essence of the difference between The People’s Vanguard and the Davis Enterprise, the free flow of ideas.
    When was the last time the editorial staff of the Davis Enterprise admitted or explained why they did not run a letter to the editor for whatever reason?
    Kudos to the Vanguard for providing a free-wheeling forum in which people express their opinions, whatever they may be.
    The First Amendment lives. I detect a pulse among these dozens of comments.
    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out,
    “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

  312. Anonymous

    Sharla Cheney wrote:
    “The beauty of allowing anonymous postings is that we hear more what people are actually thinking.”

    I totally agree. Sharla identifies the essence of the difference between The People’s Vanguard and the Davis Enterprise, the free flow of ideas.
    When was the last time the editorial staff of the Davis Enterprise admitted or explained why they did not run a letter to the editor for whatever reason?
    Kudos to the Vanguard for providing a free-wheeling forum in which people express their opinions, whatever they may be.
    The First Amendment lives. I detect a pulse among these dozens of comments.
    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out,
    “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

  313. Don Mooney

    Anonymous said…

    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out, “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

    Answer: Sue – and a whole lot of other folks. And that is great for Davis. Thank you DPD.

  314. Don Mooney

    Anonymous said…

    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out, “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

    Answer: Sue – and a whole lot of other folks. And that is great for Davis. Thank you DPD.

  315. Don Mooney

    Anonymous said…

    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out, “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

    Answer: Sue – and a whole lot of other folks. And that is great for Davis. Thank you DPD.

  316. Don Mooney

    Anonymous said…

    The People’s Vanguard came up in a brief, casual conversation I had with Sue Greenwald at the Farmer’s Market. She asked after I recommended she check it out, “But who reads the Davis Vanguard?”

    Answer: Sue – and a whole lot of other folks. And that is great for Davis. Thank you DPD.

  317. Anonymous

    Fascinating … Sue’s paranoia and means-spirited nature is now on display for all to see … I cannot believe that she has chosen to open herself to the Blog’s comments. It is all so predictable, from several months ago. Many of us warned her … over and over. Can you imagine … demanding that another candidate dump her married name? Sue is insane, certified. Now, the comments put out the dirty little non-secret.

  318. Anonymous

    Fascinating … Sue’s paranoia and means-spirited nature is now on display for all to see … I cannot believe that she has chosen to open herself to the Blog’s comments. It is all so predictable, from several months ago. Many of us warned her … over and over. Can you imagine … demanding that another candidate dump her married name? Sue is insane, certified. Now, the comments put out the dirty little non-secret.

  319. Anonymous

    Fascinating … Sue’s paranoia and means-spirited nature is now on display for all to see … I cannot believe that she has chosen to open herself to the Blog’s comments. It is all so predictable, from several months ago. Many of us warned her … over and over. Can you imagine … demanding that another candidate dump her married name? Sue is insane, certified. Now, the comments put out the dirty little non-secret.

  320. Anonymous

    Fascinating … Sue’s paranoia and means-spirited nature is now on display for all to see … I cannot believe that she has chosen to open herself to the Blog’s comments. It is all so predictable, from several months ago. Many of us warned her … over and over. Can you imagine … demanding that another candidate dump her married name? Sue is insane, certified. Now, the comments put out the dirty little non-secret.

  321. Pam Gunnell

    Ideas are not seperate from the people who put them forth. There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent. This is Davis politics, not international intrigue. If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.

  322. Pam Gunnell

    Ideas are not seperate from the people who put them forth. There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent. This is Davis politics, not international intrigue. If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.

  323. Pam Gunnell

    Ideas are not seperate from the people who put them forth. There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent. This is Davis politics, not international intrigue. If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.

  324. Pam Gunnell

    Ideas are not seperate from the people who put them forth. There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent. This is Davis politics, not international intrigue. If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.

  325. Anonymous

    Sorry Pam its too small a town to play by those rules. Some of us think it but won’t say it because we live here. So if I say what I really feel here there is no retribution and believe me I have said what I really feel and it isn’t pretty.

  326. Anonymous

    Sorry Pam its too small a town to play by those rules. Some of us think it but won’t say it because we live here. So if I say what I really feel here there is no retribution and believe me I have said what I really feel and it isn’t pretty.

  327. Anonymous

    Sorry Pam its too small a town to play by those rules. Some of us think it but won’t say it because we live here. So if I say what I really feel here there is no retribution and believe me I have said what I really feel and it isn’t pretty.

  328. Anonymous

    Sorry Pam its too small a town to play by those rules. Some of us think it but won’t say it because we live here. So if I say what I really feel here there is no retribution and believe me I have said what I really feel and it isn’t pretty.

  329. Anonymous

    “If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.”

    If I were the only one that had to listen to the ridicule and other slams, I would use my real name. My family is not responsible for my words but would have to listen to the harassment (not on this blog, but elsewhere) of those that disagree with what I say. My family doesn’t necessarily agree with what I say but would be labeled for what I say. This may not be a big deal to you, Pam, but it is to me!

  330. Anonymous

    “If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.”

    If I were the only one that had to listen to the ridicule and other slams, I would use my real name. My family is not responsible for my words but would have to listen to the harassment (not on this blog, but elsewhere) of those that disagree with what I say. My family doesn’t necessarily agree with what I say but would be labeled for what I say. This may not be a big deal to you, Pam, but it is to me!

  331. Anonymous

    “If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.”

    If I were the only one that had to listen to the ridicule and other slams, I would use my real name. My family is not responsible for my words but would have to listen to the harassment (not on this blog, but elsewhere) of those that disagree with what I say. My family doesn’t necessarily agree with what I say but would be labeled for what I say. This may not be a big deal to you, Pam, but it is to me!

  332. Anonymous

    “If you want to play, than at least have enough moral fiber to show yourself.”

    If I were the only one that had to listen to the ridicule and other slams, I would use my real name. My family is not responsible for my words but would have to listen to the harassment (not on this blog, but elsewhere) of those that disagree with what I say. My family doesn’t necessarily agree with what I say but would be labeled for what I say. This may not be a big deal to you, Pam, but it is to me!

  333. Anonymous

    As a follow up to the post I made at 4:35PM. There may be some that make outlandish statements behind anonymity to be silly or provocative but I use it to express my honest opinion.

  334. Anonymous

    As a follow up to the post I made at 4:35PM. There may be some that make outlandish statements behind anonymity to be silly or provocative but I use it to express my honest opinion.

  335. Anonymous

    As a follow up to the post I made at 4:35PM. There may be some that make outlandish statements behind anonymity to be silly or provocative but I use it to express my honest opinion.

  336. Anonymous

    As a follow up to the post I made at 4:35PM. There may be some that make outlandish statements behind anonymity to be silly or provocative but I use it to express my honest opinion.

  337. Samantha McCarthy

    Does anyone else feel that Sue is getting people to post her comments under their name? The famous Sue phone banking to find supporters or even alternate candidates.

    I like the anonymous postings. Think about how the UCD administration takes retribution on employees that do not comport with the company line, even making calls to their homes to dissuade public stances. Or think about UCD videotaping events that express a non-Regent point of view. And we in this university town are even debating whether anonymous postings are beneficial to free expression? Or what about private enterprise where people are asked to leave their jobs because of positions they have taken in public counter to specific clients interests…hummm now that one hits really close to home. If my husband had kept his mouth shut he might still be toiling away for someone else and would not have been asked to leave his firm, but not everyone is ready and willing to leave health insurance and job security to take a public position. Freedom of expression demands the freedom to express anonymously and yes, even cower behind catchy and entertaining post names or even the generic anonymous. I like using a catch post name at times simply for fun not to hide.

  338. Samantha McCarthy

    Does anyone else feel that Sue is getting people to post her comments under their name? The famous Sue phone banking to find supporters or even alternate candidates.

    I like the anonymous postings. Think about how the UCD administration takes retribution on employees that do not comport with the company line, even making calls to their homes to dissuade public stances. Or think about UCD videotaping events that express a non-Regent point of view. And we in this university town are even debating whether anonymous postings are beneficial to free expression? Or what about private enterprise where people are asked to leave their jobs because of positions they have taken in public counter to specific clients interests…hummm now that one hits really close to home. If my husband had kept his mouth shut he might still be toiling away for someone else and would not have been asked to leave his firm, but not everyone is ready and willing to leave health insurance and job security to take a public position. Freedom of expression demands the freedom to express anonymously and yes, even cower behind catchy and entertaining post names or even the generic anonymous. I like using a catch post name at times simply for fun not to hide.

  339. Samantha McCarthy

    Does anyone else feel that Sue is getting people to post her comments under their name? The famous Sue phone banking to find supporters or even alternate candidates.

    I like the anonymous postings. Think about how the UCD administration takes retribution on employees that do not comport with the company line, even making calls to their homes to dissuade public stances. Or think about UCD videotaping events that express a non-Regent point of view. And we in this university town are even debating whether anonymous postings are beneficial to free expression? Or what about private enterprise where people are asked to leave their jobs because of positions they have taken in public counter to specific clients interests…hummm now that one hits really close to home. If my husband had kept his mouth shut he might still be toiling away for someone else and would not have been asked to leave his firm, but not everyone is ready and willing to leave health insurance and job security to take a public position. Freedom of expression demands the freedom to express anonymously and yes, even cower behind catchy and entertaining post names or even the generic anonymous. I like using a catch post name at times simply for fun not to hide.

  340. Samantha McCarthy

    Does anyone else feel that Sue is getting people to post her comments under their name? The famous Sue phone banking to find supporters or even alternate candidates.

    I like the anonymous postings. Think about how the UCD administration takes retribution on employees that do not comport with the company line, even making calls to their homes to dissuade public stances. Or think about UCD videotaping events that express a non-Regent point of view. And we in this university town are even debating whether anonymous postings are beneficial to free expression? Or what about private enterprise where people are asked to leave their jobs because of positions they have taken in public counter to specific clients interests…hummm now that one hits really close to home. If my husband had kept his mouth shut he might still be toiling away for someone else and would not have been asked to leave his firm, but not everyone is ready and willing to leave health insurance and job security to take a public position. Freedom of expression demands the freedom to express anonymously and yes, even cower behind catchy and entertaining post names or even the generic anonymous. I like using a catch post name at times simply for fun not to hide.

  341. Anonymous

    Pam Gunnell wrote:
    “There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent.”

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

  342. Anonymous

    Pam Gunnell wrote:
    “There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent.”

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

  343. Anonymous

    Pam Gunnell wrote:
    “There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent.”

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

  344. Anonymous

    Pam Gunnell wrote:
    “There can be no credibility given to the “anonymous” postings because “anonymous” refuses to make themselves transparent.”

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

  345. Anonymous

    It seems to me that Sue Greenwald is foolish for making a big deal of the last name issue — it doesn’t exactly send an image of self-confidence. But she is not crazy. The person who wrote:

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    misses the point. The issue isn’t whether CEG has intended to cause damage. The issue is whether damage could be caused unintentionally — and the fact that such a tactic exists elsewhere is proof that damage can be caused through confusion over similar names, no matter how some of us might ridicule the idea. And CEG isn’t well known to everyone in town. Admittedly, I am relatively new in town, but I had never heard of her until now. And I read the Enterprise, scan this blog from time to time, etc. Perhaps I just don’t pay close enough attention to local politics — but surely I’m not the only one?

  346. Anonymous

    It seems to me that Sue Greenwald is foolish for making a big deal of the last name issue — it doesn’t exactly send an image of self-confidence. But she is not crazy. The person who wrote:

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    misses the point. The issue isn’t whether CEG has intended to cause damage. The issue is whether damage could be caused unintentionally — and the fact that such a tactic exists elsewhere is proof that damage can be caused through confusion over similar names, no matter how some of us might ridicule the idea. And CEG isn’t well known to everyone in town. Admittedly, I am relatively new in town, but I had never heard of her until now. And I read the Enterprise, scan this blog from time to time, etc. Perhaps I just don’t pay close enough attention to local politics — but surely I’m not the only one?

  347. Anonymous

    It seems to me that Sue Greenwald is foolish for making a big deal of the last name issue — it doesn’t exactly send an image of self-confidence. But she is not crazy. The person who wrote:

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    misses the point. The issue isn’t whether CEG has intended to cause damage. The issue is whether damage could be caused unintentionally — and the fact that such a tactic exists elsewhere is proof that damage can be caused through confusion over similar names, no matter how some of us might ridicule the idea. And CEG isn’t well known to everyone in town. Admittedly, I am relatively new in town, but I had never heard of her until now. And I read the Enterprise, scan this blog from time to time, etc. Perhaps I just don’t pay close enough attention to local politics — but surely I’m not the only one?

  348. Anonymous

    It seems to me that Sue Greenwald is foolish for making a big deal of the last name issue — it doesn’t exactly send an image of self-confidence. But she is not crazy. The person who wrote:

    The use of similar names by phony candidates in past elections intended to damage an authentic candidate is just that. There is no intention of that in the potential candidacy of Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald. She is not being recruited as someone with no interest nor qualifications to seek election to the office in question. Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald is both qualified to serve on the Davis City Council and is a well known public figure that no one in this town will confuse with Sue Greenwald.

    misses the point. The issue isn’t whether CEG has intended to cause damage. The issue is whether damage could be caused unintentionally — and the fact that such a tactic exists elsewhere is proof that damage can be caused through confusion over similar names, no matter how some of us might ridicule the idea. And CEG isn’t well known to everyone in town. Admittedly, I am relatively new in town, but I had never heard of her until now. And I read the Enterprise, scan this blog from time to time, etc. Perhaps I just don’t pay close enough attention to local politics — but surely I’m not the only one?

  349. ghost of calvin covell

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

    Pam is a very close friend of Sue Greenwald’s and was once a losing candidate for city council.

  350. ghost of calvin covell

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

    Pam is a very close friend of Sue Greenwald’s and was once a losing candidate for city council.

  351. ghost of calvin covell

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

    Pam is a very close friend of Sue Greenwald’s and was once a losing candidate for city council.

  352. ghost of calvin covell

    Who is “Pam Gunnell” and who appointed her “Assistant Blog Administrator–Credibility Division?”

    Pam is a very close friend of Sue Greenwald’s and was once a losing candidate for city council.

  353. Anonymous

    The name confusion issue is bogus. There will be no confusion. Anyone who has been in Davis for very long knows that most citizens are tired of the campaigning by the time the election comes around and knows the candidates inside and out, upside down and right side up.

    Sue is wasting our time.

  354. Anonymous

    The name confusion issue is bogus. There will be no confusion. Anyone who has been in Davis for very long knows that most citizens are tired of the campaigning by the time the election comes around and knows the candidates inside and out, upside down and right side up.

    Sue is wasting our time.

  355. Anonymous

    The name confusion issue is bogus. There will be no confusion. Anyone who has been in Davis for very long knows that most citizens are tired of the campaigning by the time the election comes around and knows the candidates inside and out, upside down and right side up.

    Sue is wasting our time.

  356. Anonymous

    The name confusion issue is bogus. There will be no confusion. Anyone who has been in Davis for very long knows that most citizens are tired of the campaigning by the time the election comes around and knows the candidates inside and out, upside down and right side up.

    Sue is wasting our time.

  357. Anonymous

    I agree with the politically savvy on this blog: the name does matter. Sorry, but many UCD students don’t know who the mayor is right now. Perhaps it was too long ago for all the old folks who post here, but I remember getting Greenwald and Freeman mixed up. Just didn’t have the time to devote to politics. Remember when you had a life? Think back then when your memory banks were full of fun not just political festerings. Come election week it is time to examine the issues, and yes, some folks pay more attention than others.

    One other thing: Cecilia has been angling to run for years. She comes off as a career politician and lacks the unapologetic sincerity of someone like Lamar. So, yes, I would say she is polarizing and seemingly staunch, as many career politicians are.

  358. Anonymous

    I agree with the politically savvy on this blog: the name does matter. Sorry, but many UCD students don’t know who the mayor is right now. Perhaps it was too long ago for all the old folks who post here, but I remember getting Greenwald and Freeman mixed up. Just didn’t have the time to devote to politics. Remember when you had a life? Think back then when your memory banks were full of fun not just political festerings. Come election week it is time to examine the issues, and yes, some folks pay more attention than others.

    One other thing: Cecilia has been angling to run for years. She comes off as a career politician and lacks the unapologetic sincerity of someone like Lamar. So, yes, I would say she is polarizing and seemingly staunch, as many career politicians are.

  359. Anonymous

    I agree with the politically savvy on this blog: the name does matter. Sorry, but many UCD students don’t know who the mayor is right now. Perhaps it was too long ago for all the old folks who post here, but I remember getting Greenwald and Freeman mixed up. Just didn’t have the time to devote to politics. Remember when you had a life? Think back then when your memory banks were full of fun not just political festerings. Come election week it is time to examine the issues, and yes, some folks pay more attention than others.

    One other thing: Cecilia has been angling to run for years. She comes off as a career politician and lacks the unapologetic sincerity of someone like Lamar. So, yes, I would say she is polarizing and seemingly staunch, as many career politicians are.

  360. Anonymous

    I agree with the politically savvy on this blog: the name does matter. Sorry, but many UCD students don’t know who the mayor is right now. Perhaps it was too long ago for all the old folks who post here, but I remember getting Greenwald and Freeman mixed up. Just didn’t have the time to devote to politics. Remember when you had a life? Think back then when your memory banks were full of fun not just political festerings. Come election week it is time to examine the issues, and yes, some folks pay more attention than others.

    One other thing: Cecilia has been angling to run for years. She comes off as a career politician and lacks the unapologetic sincerity of someone like Lamar. So, yes, I would say she is polarizing and seemingly staunch, as many career politicians are.

  361. Cecilia & Sue Supporter

    Cecilia loves this town and that’s why she is running. It’s simple. She has worked on a lot of campaigns locally and statewide. She was very involved as a student and has continued to be over the years.

    I remember she even traveled to MO to work as the Volunteer Coordinator for St. Louis final stretch – about a month or so – during the last Presidential campaign.

    The name game? Not an issue. Dunning wrote a good article.

    The whole thing is quite funny. Sue has been on the council for 7 years and should not be so insecure. If she spent the same amount of time campaigning as she does bad mouthing the very people who support her then she would have even more support.

    If she keeps it up she will lose my support.

    Cecilia is very down to earth. If we had more politicians willing to stand up for the right thing like she does we would be much better off.

    You obviously don’t know her. She and Sue both have my vote, but Sue needs to stop playing this game. We have had enough.

  362. Cecilia & Sue Supporte

    Cecilia loves this town and that’s why she is running. It’s simple. She has worked on a lot of campaigns locally and statewide. She was very involved as a student and has continued to be over the years.

    I remember she even traveled to MO to work as the Volunteer Coordinator for St. Louis final stretch – about a month or so – during the last Presidential campaign.

    The name game? Not an issue. Dunning wrote a good article.

    The whole thing is quite funny. Sue has been on the council for 7 years and should not be so insecure. If she spent the same amount of time campaigning as she does bad mouthing the very people who support her then she would have even more support.

    If she keeps it up she will lose my support.

    Cecilia is very down to earth. If we had more politicians willing to stand up for the right thing like she does we would be much better off.

    You obviously don’t know her. She and Sue both have my vote, but Sue needs to stop playing this game. We have had enough.

  363. Cecilia & Sue Supporte

    Cecilia loves this town and that’s why she is running. It’s simple. She has worked on a lot of campaigns locally and statewide. She was very involved as a student and has continued to be over the years.

    I remember she even traveled to MO to work as the Volunteer Coordinator for St. Louis final stretch – about a month or so – during the last Presidential campaign.

    The name game? Not an issue. Dunning wrote a good article.

    The whole thing is quite funny. Sue has been on the council for 7 years and should not be so insecure. If she spent the same amount of time campaigning as she does bad mouthing the very people who support her then she would have even more support.

    If she keeps it up she will lose my support.

    Cecilia is very down to earth. If we had more politicians willing to stand up for the right thing like she does we would be much better off.

    You obviously don’t know her. She and Sue both have my vote, but Sue needs to stop playing this game. We have had enough.

  364. Cecilia & Sue Supporte

    Cecilia loves this town and that’s why she is running. It’s simple. She has worked on a lot of campaigns locally and statewide. She was very involved as a student and has continued to be over the years.

    I remember she even traveled to MO to work as the Volunteer Coordinator for St. Louis final stretch – about a month or so – during the last Presidential campaign.

    The name game? Not an issue. Dunning wrote a good article.

    The whole thing is quite funny. Sue has been on the council for 7 years and should not be so insecure. If she spent the same amount of time campaigning as she does bad mouthing the very people who support her then she would have even more support.

    If she keeps it up she will lose my support.

    Cecilia is very down to earth. If we had more politicians willing to stand up for the right thing like she does we would be much better off.

    You obviously don’t know her. She and Sue both have my vote, but Sue needs to stop playing this game. We have had enough.

  365. Anonymous

    What is the problem here? Neither one of them are worth voting for. They both have their own personal axe to grind at the expense of the taxpayers. They are biased and unobjective. Rebecca Wu said that Mayor Greenwald is well known and respected. That’s a laugh, she’s a weirdo.

  366. Anonymous

    What is the problem here? Neither one of them are worth voting for. They both have their own personal axe to grind at the expense of the taxpayers. They are biased and unobjective. Rebecca Wu said that Mayor Greenwald is well known and respected. That’s a laugh, she’s a weirdo.

  367. Anonymous

    What is the problem here? Neither one of them are worth voting for. They both have their own personal axe to grind at the expense of the taxpayers. They are biased and unobjective. Rebecca Wu said that Mayor Greenwald is well known and respected. That’s a laugh, she’s a weirdo.

  368. Anonymous

    What is the problem here? Neither one of them are worth voting for. They both have their own personal axe to grind at the expense of the taxpayers. They are biased and unobjective. Rebecca Wu said that Mayor Greenwald is well known and respected. That’s a laugh, she’s a weirdo.

  369. Anonymous

    anonymouse – i think you’re a weirdo. first, you don’t have the balls to list your name, and second the mayor has done a good job as mayor.

    i don’t agree with her on everything, but i do plan to vote for her and cecilia if she chooses to run too.

  370. Anonymous

    anonymouse – i think you’re a weirdo. first, you don’t have the balls to list your name, and second the mayor has done a good job as mayor.

    i don’t agree with her on everything, but i do plan to vote for her and cecilia if she chooses to run too.

  371. Anonymous

    anonymouse – i think you’re a weirdo. first, you don’t have the balls to list your name, and second the mayor has done a good job as mayor.

    i don’t agree with her on everything, but i do plan to vote for her and cecilia if she chooses to run too.

  372. Anonymous

    anonymouse – i think you’re a weirdo. first, you don’t have the balls to list your name, and second the mayor has done a good job as mayor.

    i don’t agree with her on everything, but i do plan to vote for her and cecilia if she chooses to run too.

  373. Anonymous

    It is important to remember in any discussion of Cecilia’s political ambitions on this blog that “Doug Paul Davis” is a pseudonym for David Greenwald, Cecilia’s husband. It is interesting that the pair who say that names are “not an issue” in politics would use false names when politicking. But the person managing this blog is married to the potential candidate–this is an issue. The bias, or potential for such, is so great that anything on davis vanguard about Cecilia should be considered probable campaign propaganda.

  374. Anonymous

    It is important to remember in any discussion of Cecilia’s political ambitions on this blog that “Doug Paul Davis” is a pseudonym for David Greenwald, Cecilia’s husband. It is interesting that the pair who say that names are “not an issue” in politics would use false names when politicking. But the person managing this blog is married to the potential candidate–this is an issue. The bias, or potential for such, is so great that anything on davis vanguard about Cecilia should be considered probable campaign propaganda.

  375. Anonymous

    It is important to remember in any discussion of Cecilia’s political ambitions on this blog that “Doug Paul Davis” is a pseudonym for David Greenwald, Cecilia’s husband. It is interesting that the pair who say that names are “not an issue” in politics would use false names when politicking. But the person managing this blog is married to the potential candidate–this is an issue. The bias, or potential for such, is so great that anything on davis vanguard about Cecilia should be considered probable campaign propaganda.

  376. Anonymous

    It is important to remember in any discussion of Cecilia’s political ambitions on this blog that “Doug Paul Davis” is a pseudonym for David Greenwald, Cecilia’s husband. It is interesting that the pair who say that names are “not an issue” in politics would use false names when politicking. But the person managing this blog is married to the potential candidate–this is an issue. The bias, or potential for such, is so great that anything on davis vanguard about Cecilia should be considered probable campaign propaganda.

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