Incumbents Wins in Council; Saylor New Mayor; Stunners in Assembly and Supervisor

It was not a good night either for me or the Progressives in the Davis City Council Election. Don Saylor was the top vote getter, meaning he is Mayor Pro Tem and will be Mayor in 2010. Stephen Souza finished a close second. Sue Greenwald was re-elected to a third term but finished a rather distant third. Sydney Vergis was fourth. Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald and Rob Roy wrapped things up.

We will have a more thorough analysis, but Sue won by finishing third in an all-incumbent vote in a number of precincts as well as heading up the more traditional progressive vote in the core, although her coat tails were not there. Sydney Vergis was the true third vote for Souza and Saylor, never finishing above third in any precinct.

Frankly, the bigger news was in the Assembly, where Mariko Yamada who looked down and out just a month ago, surged late to a narrow but decisive victory over Mayor Christopher Cabaldon who had managed to attract the support of most of the Democratic officeholders and the three predecessors at Assembly However, Mayor Cabaldon who had a large war chest and an even larger support from EdVoice, may overplayed his hand. Meanwhile the unions came in, spent half a million, and then just plain out organized the seemingly well-organized Cabaldon machine.

Mariko Yamada won in both counties by over 3%. She won almost all of Davis and surprisingly almost all of Woodland while Cabaldon won in his hometown of West Sacramento. Around three weeks ago I started to hear residents who had been supporting Cabaldon grow concerned with the large amount of mailers being thrown around. Yamada’s IEs went on the attack. And when EdVoice responded with largely false attack ads it seemed to backfire. When Yamada was ahead after the absentee count it seemed all over (and it largely was).

Meanwhile equally stunning was the victory by Jim Provenza over two candidates. The shocker here was not that the former school member finished first, that seemed a foregone conclusion given the way the last few weeks worked out. What was really stunning was that he could get over 50% in a three-candidate field and avoid a costly and heated November runoff. But he too had over 50% in the absentees and stayed that way throughout the night, finishing a seemingly safe 50.5%.

Provenza was by far the best known of the candidates entering the race, but John Ferrera seemed to have seized the momentum early this year. He outraised Provenza. Beat him out for support from the Capital. But the one thing he could not do was get key labor endorsements. Provenza was able to close the gap on money and then the IEs took over and dumped a huge amount into the race. Kennedy finished at a respectable 15%, about where we thought given her stature.

So Jim Provenza represents the big victory for the beleaguered progressive left in Davis. It is hard to figure if Yamada’s victory is a blow from the progressives, many of who were angered by her stance on county growth. And the Council race was a huge disappointed despite Sue Greenwald hanging on for a third term.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

About The Author

David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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384 thoughts on “Incumbents Wins in Council; Saylor New Mayor; Stunners in Assembly and Supervisor”

  1. Oscar

    This is the first city council election since 1956 in which three incumbents ran for re-election. It is the first city council election since 1944 where three incumbents won another term. Davis must be happy with what they’ve been getting for the past four years; I don’t think it had anything to do with the quality of the other candidates.

  2. Oscar

    This is the first city council election since 1956 in which three incumbents ran for re-election. It is the first city council election since 1944 where three incumbents won another term. Davis must be happy with what they’ve been getting for the past four years; I don’t think it had anything to do with the quality of the other candidates.

  3. Oscar

    This is the first city council election since 1956 in which three incumbents ran for re-election. It is the first city council election since 1944 where three incumbents won another term. Davis must be happy with what they’ve been getting for the past four years; I don’t think it had anything to do with the quality of the other candidates.

  4. Oscar

    This is the first city council election since 1956 in which three incumbents ran for re-election. It is the first city council election since 1944 where three incumbents won another term. Davis must be happy with what they’ve been getting for the past four years; I don’t think it had anything to do with the quality of the other candidates.

  5. confused???

    “It is hard to figure if Yamada’s victory is a blow from the progressives, many of who were angered by her stance on county growth. “

    I guess I’m confused about why in the world progressives would in any way support Cabaldon. Has anyone looked at West Sac lately? I see rampant development in both homes and grand scale retail. I would think that would have progressives running scared.

  6. confused???

    “It is hard to figure if Yamada’s victory is a blow from the progressives, many of who were angered by her stance on county growth. “

    I guess I’m confused about why in the world progressives would in any way support Cabaldon. Has anyone looked at West Sac lately? I see rampant development in both homes and grand scale retail. I would think that would have progressives running scared.

  7. confused???

    “It is hard to figure if Yamada’s victory is a blow from the progressives, many of who were angered by her stance on county growth. “

    I guess I’m confused about why in the world progressives would in any way support Cabaldon. Has anyone looked at West Sac lately? I see rampant development in both homes and grand scale retail. I would think that would have progressives running scared.

  8. confused???

    “It is hard to figure if Yamada’s victory is a blow from the progressives, many of who were angered by her stance on county growth. “

    I guess I’m confused about why in the world progressives would in any way support Cabaldon. Has anyone looked at West Sac lately? I see rampant development in both homes and grand scale retail. I would think that would have progressives running scared.

  9. Anonymous

    My condolences & shared disappointment. At least for Davis.
    In a letter to Davis Enterprise, which did not get published- probably due an unwritten rule of only one endorsement letter per election (fair ‘nuf), I tried to coin this business as a “crystalization of the long time Progs V. Cog$ divide”. Having so said let me focus on the obvious- $$$$$.
    Saylor and Souza buried even the Mayor in $$$$.
    It seems to me, for many reasons, that it is time to get Districts and elect most of the Council that way (because $15,000 will suffice to win, org on like precinct- captain basis will rise in importance, sectional interests will lead to diverse candidate wins, rather than the C.onventionally O.rganized G.overmental $.ystemizers (excuse me for playing a Dunning “name game” a la C>A>V>E>)of our establishment “centeristas”).
    $$$$!!!- Progs needed to get to the uncommitted ideological majority here with a money argument. Still do. The water works that City Staff has been trying to ram on through with a helpful Council will bankrupt us. This is where serious ($$$ revealing) investigative reporting could have been good news.
    But I should move on- YAAAAY JIM! ‘nuf said.
    In the unpublished letter to D.E. I made a desperate late call to vote for Yamada on, oddly, a minimal argument- the same that bucked up the duopoly of ThompsonWolk for like forever- that having a Davis folk in the Assembly seat had been very very good for Davis. & so it shall continue to work. The “sin” Mariko was tagged with, one time in her career to consider peripheral development- not to vote to start it- is pretty small on the scale of- say- Big Box money having bought one’s mind, heart & soul (then we can talk- making crucifix fingers to ward off the vampire here- CHARTER SCHOOLS).
    well…Progs wasted some ammo this cycle in a circular firing squad…time, shoe leather, blog space and …$$$.’nuf sed.
    & though we may feel as though the Capitol Express slammed us as we stood frozen buck– or doe eyed on the tracks, it is time to ignore all the political “blood” laying around and get up and get busy for the future fight over J (ok Mr. Souza- did you really mean what you say?) and the General Plan, &, &, &…

  10. Anonymous

    My condolences & shared disappointment. At least for Davis.
    In a letter to Davis Enterprise, which did not get published- probably due an unwritten rule of only one endorsement letter per election (fair ‘nuf), I tried to coin this business as a “crystalization of the long time Progs V. Cog$ divide”. Having so said let me focus on the obvious- $$$$$.
    Saylor and Souza buried even the Mayor in $$$$.
    It seems to me, for many reasons, that it is time to get Districts and elect most of the Council that way (because $15,000 will suffice to win, org on like precinct- captain basis will rise in importance, sectional interests will lead to diverse candidate wins, rather than the C.onventionally O.rganized G.overmental $.ystemizers (excuse me for playing a Dunning “name game” a la C>A>V>E>)of our establishment “centeristas”).
    $$$$!!!- Progs needed to get to the uncommitted ideological majority here with a money argument. Still do. The water works that City Staff has been trying to ram on through with a helpful Council will bankrupt us. This is where serious ($$$ revealing) investigative reporting could have been good news.
    But I should move on- YAAAAY JIM! ‘nuf said.
    In the unpublished letter to D.E. I made a desperate late call to vote for Yamada on, oddly, a minimal argument- the same that bucked up the duopoly of ThompsonWolk for like forever- that having a Davis folk in the Assembly seat had been very very good for Davis. & so it shall continue to work. The “sin” Mariko was tagged with, one time in her career to consider peripheral development- not to vote to start it- is pretty small on the scale of- say- Big Box money having bought one’s mind, heart & soul (then we can talk- making crucifix fingers to ward off the vampire here- CHARTER SCHOOLS).
    well…Progs wasted some ammo this cycle in a circular firing squad…time, shoe leather, blog space and …$$$.’nuf sed.
    & though we may feel as though the Capitol Express slammed us as we stood frozen buck– or doe eyed on the tracks, it is time to ignore all the political “blood” laying around and get up and get busy for the future fight over J (ok Mr. Souza- did you really mean what you say?) and the General Plan, &, &, &…

  11. Anonymous

    My condolences & shared disappointment. At least for Davis.
    In a letter to Davis Enterprise, which did not get published- probably due an unwritten rule of only one endorsement letter per election (fair ‘nuf), I tried to coin this business as a “crystalization of the long time Progs V. Cog$ divide”. Having so said let me focus on the obvious- $$$$$.
    Saylor and Souza buried even the Mayor in $$$$.
    It seems to me, for many reasons, that it is time to get Districts and elect most of the Council that way (because $15,000 will suffice to win, org on like precinct- captain basis will rise in importance, sectional interests will lead to diverse candidate wins, rather than the C.onventionally O.rganized G.overmental $.ystemizers (excuse me for playing a Dunning “name game” a la C>A>V>E>)of our establishment “centeristas”).
    $$$$!!!- Progs needed to get to the uncommitted ideological majority here with a money argument. Still do. The water works that City Staff has been trying to ram on through with a helpful Council will bankrupt us. This is where serious ($$$ revealing) investigative reporting could have been good news.
    But I should move on- YAAAAY JIM! ‘nuf said.
    In the unpublished letter to D.E. I made a desperate late call to vote for Yamada on, oddly, a minimal argument- the same that bucked up the duopoly of ThompsonWolk for like forever- that having a Davis folk in the Assembly seat had been very very good for Davis. & so it shall continue to work. The “sin” Mariko was tagged with, one time in her career to consider peripheral development- not to vote to start it- is pretty small on the scale of- say- Big Box money having bought one’s mind, heart & soul (then we can talk- making crucifix fingers to ward off the vampire here- CHARTER SCHOOLS).
    well…Progs wasted some ammo this cycle in a circular firing squad…time, shoe leather, blog space and …$$$.’nuf sed.
    & though we may feel as though the Capitol Express slammed us as we stood frozen buck– or doe eyed on the tracks, it is time to ignore all the political “blood” laying around and get up and get busy for the future fight over J (ok Mr. Souza- did you really mean what you say?) and the General Plan, &, &, &…

  12. Anonymous

    My condolences & shared disappointment. At least for Davis.
    In a letter to Davis Enterprise, which did not get published- probably due an unwritten rule of only one endorsement letter per election (fair ‘nuf), I tried to coin this business as a “crystalization of the long time Progs V. Cog$ divide”. Having so said let me focus on the obvious- $$$$$.
    Saylor and Souza buried even the Mayor in $$$$.
    It seems to me, for many reasons, that it is time to get Districts and elect most of the Council that way (because $15,000 will suffice to win, org on like precinct- captain basis will rise in importance, sectional interests will lead to diverse candidate wins, rather than the C.onventionally O.rganized G.overmental $.ystemizers (excuse me for playing a Dunning “name game” a la C>A>V>E>)of our establishment “centeristas”).
    $$$$!!!- Progs needed to get to the uncommitted ideological majority here with a money argument. Still do. The water works that City Staff has been trying to ram on through with a helpful Council will bankrupt us. This is where serious ($$$ revealing) investigative reporting could have been good news.
    But I should move on- YAAAAY JIM! ‘nuf said.
    In the unpublished letter to D.E. I made a desperate late call to vote for Yamada on, oddly, a minimal argument- the same that bucked up the duopoly of ThompsonWolk for like forever- that having a Davis folk in the Assembly seat had been very very good for Davis. & so it shall continue to work. The “sin” Mariko was tagged with, one time in her career to consider peripheral development- not to vote to start it- is pretty small on the scale of- say- Big Box money having bought one’s mind, heart & soul (then we can talk- making crucifix fingers to ward off the vampire here- CHARTER SCHOOLS).
    well…Progs wasted some ammo this cycle in a circular firing squad…time, shoe leather, blog space and …$$$.’nuf sed.
    & though we may feel as though the Capitol Express slammed us as we stood frozen buck– or doe eyed on the tracks, it is time to ignore all the political “blood” laying around and get up and get busy for the future fight over J (ok Mr. Souza- did you really mean what you say?) and the General Plan, &, &, &…

  13. Karl

    Won’t district based city council elections allow for the rise of a single mainstream candidate in each area who can stiffle other alternative voices? I’ve never looked closely at it, but it seems to me that “Pick 3” City Council races allows voters to support a diverse slate of candidates, should they chose.

  14. Not a Pretty Picture

    What is coming next will not be pretty. Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases. Expect a new round of taxes to pay for all the new services that will be needed. If the City Council does not wake up, this city will go bankrupt a la Vallejo. Already there are rumblings of foreclosures in Davis, which will only get worse as the City Council taxes its citizens more heavily. City Staff will also be more arrogant, and continue to shamefully leave out of the budget whatever suits them. They do so at their peril – if the city goes bankrupt, city employee salaries get renegotiated by a judge.

    Having said all that, I think the lessons learned from this election are as follows:
    1. SSS mobilized their base to get out and vote.
    2. SSS were the only ones who seriously campaigned right from the get go, except Cecilia.
    3. Greenwald is seen as devisive, which is not going over very well. Civility should be the order of the day.
    4. Saylor mouths platitudes, never taking a stand on anything, which works – unfortunately.
    5. Souza fooled a lot of folks, by changing positions at the last minute, and suddenly playing friendly. It worked.
    6. Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle. The best thing for her to do is take a deep breath, start becoming involved in city politics in a positive way, and work with the police whenever possible to try and rehabilitate her image. It still may not be enough, but only she can decide if that is something she wants to pursue.
    7. Rob Roy was never a serious candidate. His campaign style was to latch onto others coattails, which will not work.
    8. Vergis came in the standings too high for comfort. Again, she appeared civil and thoughtful. Expect her to run again – and the next time around she may win.
    9. The developers are really going to put the pressure on now, figuring they received a mandate at the polls for their cause.
    10. Expect serious attempts to gut Measure J.
    11. The Davis Enterprise didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. The Sac Bee noted Souza’s civil veneer is cover for a more sinister underbelly. Voters in Davis didn’t seem to care – very worrisome.
    12. Good folks who would be better candidates are not stepping forward to run. Why? Because they would have to put up with Saylor’s and Souza’s mafia tactics, Sue’s divisive barbs, the city staff’s arrogance, long hours into the wee hours in the morning for very little pay. Frankly, it is a thankless job, appealing only to those who are seeking higher office.
    13. Expect Souza and Saylor to seek higher office in four years.

    Congrats to Yamada and Provenza! Cabaldon shot himself in the foot with negative campaign ads and probably did not do himself any favors by aligning with Mayor Newsom. Provenza is a likeable fellow, should do an OK job, but my hope is he develops a little more backbone.

    DPD, keep doing what you are doing. More investigative reporting should be the order of the day. With ASS as the Council Majority, the picture for the future looks somewhat grim from a fiscal perspective. Now is the time for all good citizens to become even more vigilent than before. If we don’t stand up, we may end up with serious problems as has occurred with our school district.

  15. Karl

    Won’t district based city council elections allow for the rise of a single mainstream candidate in each area who can stiffle other alternative voices? I’ve never looked closely at it, but it seems to me that “Pick 3” City Council races allows voters to support a diverse slate of candidates, should they chose.

  16. Not a Pretty Picture

    What is coming next will not be pretty. Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases. Expect a new round of taxes to pay for all the new services that will be needed. If the City Council does not wake up, this city will go bankrupt a la Vallejo. Already there are rumblings of foreclosures in Davis, which will only get worse as the City Council taxes its citizens more heavily. City Staff will also be more arrogant, and continue to shamefully leave out of the budget whatever suits them. They do so at their peril – if the city goes bankrupt, city employee salaries get renegotiated by a judge.

    Having said all that, I think the lessons learned from this election are as follows:
    1. SSS mobilized their base to get out and vote.
    2. SSS were the only ones who seriously campaigned right from the get go, except Cecilia.
    3. Greenwald is seen as devisive, which is not going over very well. Civility should be the order of the day.
    4. Saylor mouths platitudes, never taking a stand on anything, which works – unfortunately.
    5. Souza fooled a lot of folks, by changing positions at the last minute, and suddenly playing friendly. It worked.
    6. Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle. The best thing for her to do is take a deep breath, start becoming involved in city politics in a positive way, and work with the police whenever possible to try and rehabilitate her image. It still may not be enough, but only she can decide if that is something she wants to pursue.
    7. Rob Roy was never a serious candidate. His campaign style was to latch onto others coattails, which will not work.
    8. Vergis came in the standings too high for comfort. Again, she appeared civil and thoughtful. Expect her to run again – and the next time around she may win.
    9. The developers are really going to put the pressure on now, figuring they received a mandate at the polls for their cause.
    10. Expect serious attempts to gut Measure J.
    11. The Davis Enterprise didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. The Sac Bee noted Souza’s civil veneer is cover for a more sinister underbelly. Voters in Davis didn’t seem to care – very worrisome.
    12. Good folks who would be better candidates are not stepping forward to run. Why? Because they would have to put up with Saylor’s and Souza’s mafia tactics, Sue’s divisive barbs, the city staff’s arrogance, long hours into the wee hours in the morning for very little pay. Frankly, it is a thankless job, appealing only to those who are seeking higher office.
    13. Expect Souza and Saylor to seek higher office in four years.

    Congrats to Yamada and Provenza! Cabaldon shot himself in the foot with negative campaign ads and probably did not do himself any favors by aligning with Mayor Newsom. Provenza is a likeable fellow, should do an OK job, but my hope is he develops a little more backbone.

    DPD, keep doing what you are doing. More investigative reporting should be the order of the day. With ASS as the Council Majority, the picture for the future looks somewhat grim from a fiscal perspective. Now is the time for all good citizens to become even more vigilent than before. If we don’t stand up, we may end up with serious problems as has occurred with our school district.

  17. Karl

    Won’t district based city council elections allow for the rise of a single mainstream candidate in each area who can stiffle other alternative voices? I’ve never looked closely at it, but it seems to me that “Pick 3” City Council races allows voters to support a diverse slate of candidates, should they chose.

  18. Not a Pretty Picture

    What is coming next will not be pretty. Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases. Expect a new round of taxes to pay for all the new services that will be needed. If the City Council does not wake up, this city will go bankrupt a la Vallejo. Already there are rumblings of foreclosures in Davis, which will only get worse as the City Council taxes its citizens more heavily. City Staff will also be more arrogant, and continue to shamefully leave out of the budget whatever suits them. They do so at their peril – if the city goes bankrupt, city employee salaries get renegotiated by a judge.

    Having said all that, I think the lessons learned from this election are as follows:
    1. SSS mobilized their base to get out and vote.
    2. SSS were the only ones who seriously campaigned right from the get go, except Cecilia.
    3. Greenwald is seen as devisive, which is not going over very well. Civility should be the order of the day.
    4. Saylor mouths platitudes, never taking a stand on anything, which works – unfortunately.
    5. Souza fooled a lot of folks, by changing positions at the last minute, and suddenly playing friendly. It worked.
    6. Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle. The best thing for her to do is take a deep breath, start becoming involved in city politics in a positive way, and work with the police whenever possible to try and rehabilitate her image. It still may not be enough, but only she can decide if that is something she wants to pursue.
    7. Rob Roy was never a serious candidate. His campaign style was to latch onto others coattails, which will not work.
    8. Vergis came in the standings too high for comfort. Again, she appeared civil and thoughtful. Expect her to run again – and the next time around she may win.
    9. The developers are really going to put the pressure on now, figuring they received a mandate at the polls for their cause.
    10. Expect serious attempts to gut Measure J.
    11. The Davis Enterprise didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. The Sac Bee noted Souza’s civil veneer is cover for a more sinister underbelly. Voters in Davis didn’t seem to care – very worrisome.
    12. Good folks who would be better candidates are not stepping forward to run. Why? Because they would have to put up with Saylor’s and Souza’s mafia tactics, Sue’s divisive barbs, the city staff’s arrogance, long hours into the wee hours in the morning for very little pay. Frankly, it is a thankless job, appealing only to those who are seeking higher office.
    13. Expect Souza and Saylor to seek higher office in four years.

    Congrats to Yamada and Provenza! Cabaldon shot himself in the foot with negative campaign ads and probably did not do himself any favors by aligning with Mayor Newsom. Provenza is a likeable fellow, should do an OK job, but my hope is he develops a little more backbone.

    DPD, keep doing what you are doing. More investigative reporting should be the order of the day. With ASS as the Council Majority, the picture for the future looks somewhat grim from a fiscal perspective. Now is the time for all good citizens to become even more vigilent than before. If we don’t stand up, we may end up with serious problems as has occurred with our school district.

  19. Karl

    Won’t district based city council elections allow for the rise of a single mainstream candidate in each area who can stiffle other alternative voices? I’ve never looked closely at it, but it seems to me that “Pick 3” City Council races allows voters to support a diverse slate of candidates, should they chose.

  20. Not a Pretty Picture

    What is coming next will not be pretty. Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases. Expect a new round of taxes to pay for all the new services that will be needed. If the City Council does not wake up, this city will go bankrupt a la Vallejo. Already there are rumblings of foreclosures in Davis, which will only get worse as the City Council taxes its citizens more heavily. City Staff will also be more arrogant, and continue to shamefully leave out of the budget whatever suits them. They do so at their peril – if the city goes bankrupt, city employee salaries get renegotiated by a judge.

    Having said all that, I think the lessons learned from this election are as follows:
    1. SSS mobilized their base to get out and vote.
    2. SSS were the only ones who seriously campaigned right from the get go, except Cecilia.
    3. Greenwald is seen as devisive, which is not going over very well. Civility should be the order of the day.
    4. Saylor mouths platitudes, never taking a stand on anything, which works – unfortunately.
    5. Souza fooled a lot of folks, by changing positions at the last minute, and suddenly playing friendly. It worked.
    6. Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle. The best thing for her to do is take a deep breath, start becoming involved in city politics in a positive way, and work with the police whenever possible to try and rehabilitate her image. It still may not be enough, but only she can decide if that is something she wants to pursue.
    7. Rob Roy was never a serious candidate. His campaign style was to latch onto others coattails, which will not work.
    8. Vergis came in the standings too high for comfort. Again, she appeared civil and thoughtful. Expect her to run again – and the next time around she may win.
    9. The developers are really going to put the pressure on now, figuring they received a mandate at the polls for their cause.
    10. Expect serious attempts to gut Measure J.
    11. The Davis Enterprise didn’t get it quite right, but pretty close. The Sac Bee noted Souza’s civil veneer is cover for a more sinister underbelly. Voters in Davis didn’t seem to care – very worrisome.
    12. Good folks who would be better candidates are not stepping forward to run. Why? Because they would have to put up with Saylor’s and Souza’s mafia tactics, Sue’s divisive barbs, the city staff’s arrogance, long hours into the wee hours in the morning for very little pay. Frankly, it is a thankless job, appealing only to those who are seeking higher office.
    13. Expect Souza and Saylor to seek higher office in four years.

    Congrats to Yamada and Provenza! Cabaldon shot himself in the foot with negative campaign ads and probably did not do himself any favors by aligning with Mayor Newsom. Provenza is a likeable fellow, should do an OK job, but my hope is he develops a little more backbone.

    DPD, keep doing what you are doing. More investigative reporting should be the order of the day. With ASS as the Council Majority, the picture for the future looks somewhat grim from a fiscal perspective. Now is the time for all good citizens to become even more vigilent than before. If we don’t stand up, we may end up with serious problems as has occurred with our school district.

  21. wdf

    The progressives are still here in Davis. I’m sure Saylor and Souza were able to portray themselves as progressive enough to get some crossover votes — Saylor in photos w/ his electric car, Souza w/ his “smart, green, and safe” theme.

    I can see where some anti-Measure X voters might capitulate and vote for Saylor and Souza, and even Vergis (photos of her on her bicycle).

    There is probably still a reasonable hypothetical way for Cecilia to run in Davis and win.

    It was an interesting race to watch, but I am now looking forward to seeing other topics covered in this blog.

  22. wdf

    The progressives are still here in Davis. I’m sure Saylor and Souza were able to portray themselves as progressive enough to get some crossover votes — Saylor in photos w/ his electric car, Souza w/ his “smart, green, and safe” theme.

    I can see where some anti-Measure X voters might capitulate and vote for Saylor and Souza, and even Vergis (photos of her on her bicycle).

    There is probably still a reasonable hypothetical way for Cecilia to run in Davis and win.

    It was an interesting race to watch, but I am now looking forward to seeing other topics covered in this blog.

  23. wdf

    The progressives are still here in Davis. I’m sure Saylor and Souza were able to portray themselves as progressive enough to get some crossover votes — Saylor in photos w/ his electric car, Souza w/ his “smart, green, and safe” theme.

    I can see where some anti-Measure X voters might capitulate and vote for Saylor and Souza, and even Vergis (photos of her on her bicycle).

    There is probably still a reasonable hypothetical way for Cecilia to run in Davis and win.

    It was an interesting race to watch, but I am now looking forward to seeing other topics covered in this blog.

  24. wdf

    The progressives are still here in Davis. I’m sure Saylor and Souza were able to portray themselves as progressive enough to get some crossover votes — Saylor in photos w/ his electric car, Souza w/ his “smart, green, and safe” theme.

    I can see where some anti-Measure X voters might capitulate and vote for Saylor and Souza, and even Vergis (photos of her on her bicycle).

    There is probably still a reasonable hypothetical way for Cecilia to run in Davis and win.

    It was an interesting race to watch, but I am now looking forward to seeing other topics covered in this blog.

  25. Anonymous

    The Cabaldon/Yamada race was getting pretty intense. On Friday my mail consisted roughly of 10 Political mailers 9 of them were on this race. So of these attacks probably were getting on voter’s nerves, especially that last attack by Ed Voice ( I don’t get it, if Ed Voice wants to ensure bigger Democratic majorities in the legislature why do they invest in some of these bitter primaries why not just go straight to the general election)

  26. Anonymous

    The Cabaldon/Yamada race was getting pretty intense. On Friday my mail consisted roughly of 10 Political mailers 9 of them were on this race. So of these attacks probably were getting on voter’s nerves, especially that last attack by Ed Voice ( I don’t get it, if Ed Voice wants to ensure bigger Democratic majorities in the legislature why do they invest in some of these bitter primaries why not just go straight to the general election)

  27. Anonymous

    The Cabaldon/Yamada race was getting pretty intense. On Friday my mail consisted roughly of 10 Political mailers 9 of them were on this race. So of these attacks probably were getting on voter’s nerves, especially that last attack by Ed Voice ( I don’t get it, if Ed Voice wants to ensure bigger Democratic majorities in the legislature why do they invest in some of these bitter primaries why not just go straight to the general election)

  28. Anonymous

    The Cabaldon/Yamada race was getting pretty intense. On Friday my mail consisted roughly of 10 Political mailers 9 of them were on this race. So of these attacks probably were getting on voter’s nerves, especially that last attack by Ed Voice ( I don’t get it, if Ed Voice wants to ensure bigger Democratic majorities in the legislature why do they invest in some of these bitter primaries why not just go straight to the general election)

  29. Anonymous

    C-E Greenwald got just slightly more votes than Rob Roy. oh, man.
    The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.

  30. Anonymous

    C-E Greenwald got just slightly more votes than Rob Roy. oh, man.
    The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.

  31. Anonymous

    C-E Greenwald got just slightly more votes than Rob Roy. oh, man.
    The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.

  32. Anonymous

    C-E Greenwald got just slightly more votes than Rob Roy. oh, man.
    The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.

  33. parallel universe

    Again, the Yamada/Cabaldon race parallels the Obama/Clinton race….uncanny. Much like Obama’s victory has broken the political stanglehold of the Clintonites on the Democratic party, Yamada’s victory may loosen the political stranglehood that the back-room-good-old-boys have on Yolo Democratic politics.

  34. parallel universe

    Again, the Yamada/Cabaldon race parallels the Obama/Clinton race….uncanny. Much like Obama’s victory has broken the political stanglehold of the Clintonites on the Democratic party, Yamada’s victory may loosen the political stranglehood that the back-room-good-old-boys have on Yolo Democratic politics.

  35. parallel universe

    Again, the Yamada/Cabaldon race parallels the Obama/Clinton race….uncanny. Much like Obama’s victory has broken the political stanglehold of the Clintonites on the Democratic party, Yamada’s victory may loosen the political stranglehood that the back-room-good-old-boys have on Yolo Democratic politics.

  36. parallel universe

    Again, the Yamada/Cabaldon race parallels the Obama/Clinton race….uncanny. Much like Obama’s victory has broken the political stanglehold of the Clintonites on the Democratic party, Yamada’s victory may loosen the political stranglehood that the back-room-good-old-boys have on Yolo Democratic politics.

  37. Anonymous

    The Yamada win reinforces my faith that the will of the people is more powerful then the money of greedy developers that funded Cabaldon’s campaign.

    –mrsedeet

  38. Anonymous

    The Yamada win reinforces my faith that the will of the people is more powerful then the money of greedy developers that funded Cabaldon’s campaign.

    –mrsedeet

  39. Anonymous

    The Yamada win reinforces my faith that the will of the people is more powerful then the money of greedy developers that funded Cabaldon’s campaign.

    –mrsedeet

  40. Anonymous

    The Yamada win reinforces my faith that the will of the people is more powerful then the money of greedy developers that funded Cabaldon’s campaign.

    –mrsedeet

  41. andythebrit

    Once again the people who regard themselves as “the real Davis” have to face the uncomfortable reality that they don’t own this town. I’m delighted that voters recalled Cecilia’s past behavior and voted accordingly.

  42. andythebrit

    Once again the people who regard themselves as “the real Davis” have to face the uncomfortable reality that they don’t own this town. I’m delighted that voters recalled Cecilia’s past behavior and voted accordingly.

  43. andythebrit

    Once again the people who regard themselves as “the real Davis” have to face the uncomfortable reality that they don’t own this town. I’m delighted that voters recalled Cecilia’s past behavior and voted accordingly.

  44. andythebrit

    Once again the people who regard themselves as “the real Davis” have to face the uncomfortable reality that they don’t own this town. I’m delighted that voters recalled Cecilia’s past behavior and voted accordingly.

  45. Mike Adams

    I certainly was turned off by the excessive and largely deceptive EdVoice campaigning.

    I hope people will keep their eyes on the prize here and lose some of the vitriol. While all the folks I supported didn’t win, we actually have a pretty good group of elected officials. The time for demonizing those people willing to put in the time and effort to run and serve in public office should be over – in my opinion, it should not have started. Make no mistake, I am all for holding elected officials accountable, and being skeptical when people try to reinvent themselves or the past. But the hostility impedes good government.

    I think that DPD has set a good tone in his blog, particularly given his close connection to the council race, and for that I want to thank him. I do think that his labeling folks, progressives or other, is neither particularly descriptive nor informative. Ala Lakoff, I think that it would be more useful to describe “progressive values” and assess platforms and votes by that criteria. For example, there are those who voted for measure X because they found the arguments for planned growth compelling and were pessimistic about the potential for unplanned growth in the future. These folks may share the values with those who voted against X, and could be persuaded by arguments that acknowledged values, then interpretted the facts differently.

    Time to move on (catchy name). Finally I applaud the people who sign their name to their comments. I understand that some may feel a compelling reason for anonymity (e.g., city employees, or those who don’t want to be seen as representing an organization), I appreciate those who can stand by their opinions.

  46. Mike Adams

    I certainly was turned off by the excessive and largely deceptive EdVoice campaigning.

    I hope people will keep their eyes on the prize here and lose some of the vitriol. While all the folks I supported didn’t win, we actually have a pretty good group of elected officials. The time for demonizing those people willing to put in the time and effort to run and serve in public office should be over – in my opinion, it should not have started. Make no mistake, I am all for holding elected officials accountable, and being skeptical when people try to reinvent themselves or the past. But the hostility impedes good government.

    I think that DPD has set a good tone in his blog, particularly given his close connection to the council race, and for that I want to thank him. I do think that his labeling folks, progressives or other, is neither particularly descriptive nor informative. Ala Lakoff, I think that it would be more useful to describe “progressive values” and assess platforms and votes by that criteria. For example, there are those who voted for measure X because they found the arguments for planned growth compelling and were pessimistic about the potential for unplanned growth in the future. These folks may share the values with those who voted against X, and could be persuaded by arguments that acknowledged values, then interpretted the facts differently.

    Time to move on (catchy name). Finally I applaud the people who sign their name to their comments. I understand that some may feel a compelling reason for anonymity (e.g., city employees, or those who don’t want to be seen as representing an organization), I appreciate those who can stand by their opinions.

  47. Mike Adams

    I certainly was turned off by the excessive and largely deceptive EdVoice campaigning.

    I hope people will keep their eyes on the prize here and lose some of the vitriol. While all the folks I supported didn’t win, we actually have a pretty good group of elected officials. The time for demonizing those people willing to put in the time and effort to run and serve in public office should be over – in my opinion, it should not have started. Make no mistake, I am all for holding elected officials accountable, and being skeptical when people try to reinvent themselves or the past. But the hostility impedes good government.

    I think that DPD has set a good tone in his blog, particularly given his close connection to the council race, and for that I want to thank him. I do think that his labeling folks, progressives or other, is neither particularly descriptive nor informative. Ala Lakoff, I think that it would be more useful to describe “progressive values” and assess platforms and votes by that criteria. For example, there are those who voted for measure X because they found the arguments for planned growth compelling and were pessimistic about the potential for unplanned growth in the future. These folks may share the values with those who voted against X, and could be persuaded by arguments that acknowledged values, then interpretted the facts differently.

    Time to move on (catchy name). Finally I applaud the people who sign their name to their comments. I understand that some may feel a compelling reason for anonymity (e.g., city employees, or those who don’t want to be seen as representing an organization), I appreciate those who can stand by their opinions.

  48. Mike Adams

    I certainly was turned off by the excessive and largely deceptive EdVoice campaigning.

    I hope people will keep their eyes on the prize here and lose some of the vitriol. While all the folks I supported didn’t win, we actually have a pretty good group of elected officials. The time for demonizing those people willing to put in the time and effort to run and serve in public office should be over – in my opinion, it should not have started. Make no mistake, I am all for holding elected officials accountable, and being skeptical when people try to reinvent themselves or the past. But the hostility impedes good government.

    I think that DPD has set a good tone in his blog, particularly given his close connection to the council race, and for that I want to thank him. I do think that his labeling folks, progressives or other, is neither particularly descriptive nor informative. Ala Lakoff, I think that it would be more useful to describe “progressive values” and assess platforms and votes by that criteria. For example, there are those who voted for measure X because they found the arguments for planned growth compelling and were pessimistic about the potential for unplanned growth in the future. These folks may share the values with those who voted against X, and could be persuaded by arguments that acknowledged values, then interpretted the facts differently.

    Time to move on (catchy name). Finally I applaud the people who sign their name to their comments. I understand that some may feel a compelling reason for anonymity (e.g., city employees, or those who don’t want to be seen as representing an organization), I appreciate those who can stand by their opinions.

  49. darnell

    Voter apathy is puzzling to me. In the 2004 CC election 62% of the registered voters did so. In 2006 47%, and this year only 35%. I can’t remember the last time I had to wait in line to vote (Precinct 54).

  50. darnell

    Voter apathy is puzzling to me. In the 2004 CC election 62% of the registered voters did so. In 2006 47%, and this year only 35%. I can’t remember the last time I had to wait in line to vote (Precinct 54).

  51. darnell

    Voter apathy is puzzling to me. In the 2004 CC election 62% of the registered voters did so. In 2006 47%, and this year only 35%. I can’t remember the last time I had to wait in line to vote (Precinct 54).

  52. darnell

    Voter apathy is puzzling to me. In the 2004 CC election 62% of the registered voters did so. In 2006 47%, and this year only 35%. I can’t remember the last time I had to wait in line to vote (Precinct 54).

  53. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…
    “The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.”

    Not at all surprising. Mariko was the authentic Democrat in the race, and the voters saw that. Why any self-proclaimed progressive or environmentalist supported such a pro-development, pro-insurance industry, pro-charter school candidate is beyond me. Cabaldon is a DINO, and is not worthy of true Dems’ support.

  54. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…
    “The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.”

    Not at all surprising. Mariko was the authentic Democrat in the race, and the voters saw that. Why any self-proclaimed progressive or environmentalist supported such a pro-development, pro-insurance industry, pro-charter school candidate is beyond me. Cabaldon is a DINO, and is not worthy of true Dems’ support.

  55. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…
    “The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.”

    Not at all surprising. Mariko was the authentic Democrat in the race, and the voters saw that. Why any self-proclaimed progressive or environmentalist supported such a pro-development, pro-insurance industry, pro-charter school candidate is beyond me. Cabaldon is a DINO, and is not worthy of true Dems’ support.

  56. Anonymous

    Anonymous said…
    “The Yamada thing was very surprising. She was clearly out of her league in the debates, so I’m still scratching my head on how she won. It may very well have been the excessive amount of mailers from Cabaldon. Still, expect floundering from Yamada at the State level, with not a lot of direction. Unless, of course, she gets good staff. Then she’ll be a fine figurehead.”

    Not at all surprising. Mariko was the authentic Democrat in the race, and the voters saw that. Why any self-proclaimed progressive or environmentalist supported such a pro-development, pro-insurance industry, pro-charter school candidate is beyond me. Cabaldon is a DINO, and is not worthy of true Dems’ support.

  57. Anonymous

    Something that should be added to the “lessons learned” category.
    For years, firefighters have been staunch allies in the fight against the right wing. You need to go back no further than the 2005Special Election, when firefighters were instrumental in beating back Schwarzenegger’s so-called “Year of Reform.” So why on earth would the defeated Ms. Greenwald–who herself works for a public employee union–attack the firefighters? And why, despite his protestations, would the president of the California State Employees Association inject himself in a local election and also attack firefighters? The lesson learned: When we have so many enemies out there, don’t throw rocks at your friends!

  58. Anonymous

    Something that should be added to the “lessons learned” category.
    For years, firefighters have been staunch allies in the fight against the right wing. You need to go back no further than the 2005Special Election, when firefighters were instrumental in beating back Schwarzenegger’s so-called “Year of Reform.” So why on earth would the defeated Ms. Greenwald–who herself works for a public employee union–attack the firefighters? And why, despite his protestations, would the president of the California State Employees Association inject himself in a local election and also attack firefighters? The lesson learned: When we have so many enemies out there, don’t throw rocks at your friends!

  59. Anonymous

    Something that should be added to the “lessons learned” category.
    For years, firefighters have been staunch allies in the fight against the right wing. You need to go back no further than the 2005Special Election, when firefighters were instrumental in beating back Schwarzenegger’s so-called “Year of Reform.” So why on earth would the defeated Ms. Greenwald–who herself works for a public employee union–attack the firefighters? And why, despite his protestations, would the president of the California State Employees Association inject himself in a local election and also attack firefighters? The lesson learned: When we have so many enemies out there, don’t throw rocks at your friends!

  60. Anonymous

    Something that should be added to the “lessons learned” category.
    For years, firefighters have been staunch allies in the fight against the right wing. You need to go back no further than the 2005Special Election, when firefighters were instrumental in beating back Schwarzenegger’s so-called “Year of Reform.” So why on earth would the defeated Ms. Greenwald–who herself works for a public employee union–attack the firefighters? And why, despite his protestations, would the president of the California State Employees Association inject himself in a local election and also attack firefighters? The lesson learned: When we have so many enemies out there, don’t throw rocks at your friends!

  61. davisite

    This was an extremely low voter turnout for Davis as voters perceived that there were no pressing issues. Voters were distracted, ie the presidential primaries, gas prices, collapse of the financial markets that threatens a prolonged recession. With this background, MONEY,ORGANIZATION and a LOCK-STEP AUTOMATIC voting base overwhelms grass(net)roots campaigns that depend upon engaging the attention and critical thinking of the voters ,motivating them to go and vote. Vergis’ surprising good showing, when she was a total unknown to Davis voters, suggests that she was the beneficiary of this lock-step,uncritical vote. she will still need to prove herself to the voters if she plans to run again. Disappointingly, the threat to Measure J did not appear to gain much traction with the voters. With Souza’s “pledge” to offer Measure J as is in 2010, there is a majority on this issue. However, close attention will have to be paid to multiple Measure J versions on the same ballot that could “game” the result to defeat the original Measure J.

  62. davisite

    This was an extremely low voter turnout for Davis as voters perceived that there were no pressing issues. Voters were distracted, ie the presidential primaries, gas prices, collapse of the financial markets that threatens a prolonged recession. With this background, MONEY,ORGANIZATION and a LOCK-STEP AUTOMATIC voting base overwhelms grass(net)roots campaigns that depend upon engaging the attention and critical thinking of the voters ,motivating them to go and vote. Vergis’ surprising good showing, when she was a total unknown to Davis voters, suggests that she was the beneficiary of this lock-step,uncritical vote. she will still need to prove herself to the voters if she plans to run again. Disappointingly, the threat to Measure J did not appear to gain much traction with the voters. With Souza’s “pledge” to offer Measure J as is in 2010, there is a majority on this issue. However, close attention will have to be paid to multiple Measure J versions on the same ballot that could “game” the result to defeat the original Measure J.

  63. davisite

    This was an extremely low voter turnout for Davis as voters perceived that there were no pressing issues. Voters were distracted, ie the presidential primaries, gas prices, collapse of the financial markets that threatens a prolonged recession. With this background, MONEY,ORGANIZATION and a LOCK-STEP AUTOMATIC voting base overwhelms grass(net)roots campaigns that depend upon engaging the attention and critical thinking of the voters ,motivating them to go and vote. Vergis’ surprising good showing, when she was a total unknown to Davis voters, suggests that she was the beneficiary of this lock-step,uncritical vote. she will still need to prove herself to the voters if she plans to run again. Disappointingly, the threat to Measure J did not appear to gain much traction with the voters. With Souza’s “pledge” to offer Measure J as is in 2010, there is a majority on this issue. However, close attention will have to be paid to multiple Measure J versions on the same ballot that could “game” the result to defeat the original Measure J.

  64. davisite

    This was an extremely low voter turnout for Davis as voters perceived that there were no pressing issues. Voters were distracted, ie the presidential primaries, gas prices, collapse of the financial markets that threatens a prolonged recession. With this background, MONEY,ORGANIZATION and a LOCK-STEP AUTOMATIC voting base overwhelms grass(net)roots campaigns that depend upon engaging the attention and critical thinking of the voters ,motivating them to go and vote. Vergis’ surprising good showing, when she was a total unknown to Davis voters, suggests that she was the beneficiary of this lock-step,uncritical vote. she will still need to prove herself to the voters if she plans to run again. Disappointingly, the threat to Measure J did not appear to gain much traction with the voters. With Souza’s “pledge” to offer Measure J as is in 2010, there is a majority on this issue. However, close attention will have to be paid to multiple Measure J versions on the same ballot that could “game” the result to defeat the original Measure J.

  65. Anonymous

    I hope bloggers will take Mike Adams’s comments to heart. Let’s stop labeling the people who won city council seats as “developer” candidates/officeholders, and simply engage with them in debate and planning Davis future. There were alot of important substantive issues raised in this campaign, now it’s time to get to work, push hard for good policy, and hold the winners accountable. Divisive labeling is not the way to go. Let’s all try to rise above and work together.

  66. Anonymous

    I hope bloggers will take Mike Adams’s comments to heart. Let’s stop labeling the people who won city council seats as “developer” candidates/officeholders, and simply engage with them in debate and planning Davis future. There were alot of important substantive issues raised in this campaign, now it’s time to get to work, push hard for good policy, and hold the winners accountable. Divisive labeling is not the way to go. Let’s all try to rise above and work together.

  67. Anonymous

    I hope bloggers will take Mike Adams’s comments to heart. Let’s stop labeling the people who won city council seats as “developer” candidates/officeholders, and simply engage with them in debate and planning Davis future. There were alot of important substantive issues raised in this campaign, now it’s time to get to work, push hard for good policy, and hold the winners accountable. Divisive labeling is not the way to go. Let’s all try to rise above and work together.

  68. Anonymous

    I hope bloggers will take Mike Adams’s comments to heart. Let’s stop labeling the people who won city council seats as “developer” candidates/officeholders, and simply engage with them in debate and planning Davis future. There were alot of important substantive issues raised in this campaign, now it’s time to get to work, push hard for good policy, and hold the winners accountable. Divisive labeling is not the way to go. Let’s all try to rise above and work together.

  69. Anonymous

    I’m not sure viewing all local races as pro-development vs. zero growth is very useful. Most people I know are not purists on the issue and feel that, through Measure J, they have a say on projects.

    As far as Cabaldon-Yamada goes, i thought I saw an article last week that showed IE expenditures about even for the two? Does anyone have updated data?

  70. Anonymous

    I’m not sure viewing all local races as pro-development vs. zero growth is very useful. Most people I know are not purists on the issue and feel that, through Measure J, they have a say on projects.

    As far as Cabaldon-Yamada goes, i thought I saw an article last week that showed IE expenditures about even for the two? Does anyone have updated data?

  71. Anonymous

    I’m not sure viewing all local races as pro-development vs. zero growth is very useful. Most people I know are not purists on the issue and feel that, through Measure J, they have a say on projects.

    As far as Cabaldon-Yamada goes, i thought I saw an article last week that showed IE expenditures about even for the two? Does anyone have updated data?

  72. Anonymous

    I’m not sure viewing all local races as pro-development vs. zero growth is very useful. Most people I know are not purists on the issue and feel that, through Measure J, they have a say on projects.

    As far as Cabaldon-Yamada goes, i thought I saw an article last week that showed IE expenditures about even for the two? Does anyone have updated data?

  73. 無名 - wu ming

    as i have said before, perhaps this is a good time to rethink the assumption of a simple partisan divide in this town, and a stable 60-40 anti-growth majority (as evidenced by one vote in one election about a specific development project).

    if you look at who raised the most money, it’s clear that being a “developer candidate” did not automatically translate into lots of donations. both cecilia and sue raised roughly double what vergis did, even though souza and saylor doubled that once again. given that the limit on donations is in fact $100, perhaps it’s time to accept that donations tend to reflect levels of support in town, and are not just some developer money laundering scheme, as has often been alleged in the comments here without evidence.

    finally, it is clear to me at any rate that for all the talk of two “slates” around town, voters put a variety of sets together that worked across those factional lines. most notably, it looks that greenwald won her race by being the third vote of a souza-saylor incumbant set (some of you may remember that i was noticing this sign combination downtown in several places).

    i suspect that a major reason for that was generational as much as anything else. the older boomers who liked souza and saylor appear to me to have been skeptical of a young student, even while running on their slate. greenwald was a safer pick, in that sense, than vergis, and so she picked up just enough of those third votes that, when combined with her (smaller) progressive base support, she was able to edge vergis out of third.

  74. 無名 - wu ming

    as i have said before, perhaps this is a good time to rethink the assumption of a simple partisan divide in this town, and a stable 60-40 anti-growth majority (as evidenced by one vote in one election about a specific development project).

    if you look at who raised the most money, it’s clear that being a “developer candidate” did not automatically translate into lots of donations. both cecilia and sue raised roughly double what vergis did, even though souza and saylor doubled that once again. given that the limit on donations is in fact $100, perhaps it’s time to accept that donations tend to reflect levels of support in town, and are not just some developer money laundering scheme, as has often been alleged in the comments here without evidence.

    finally, it is clear to me at any rate that for all the talk of two “slates” around town, voters put a variety of sets together that worked across those factional lines. most notably, it looks that greenwald won her race by being the third vote of a souza-saylor incumbant set (some of you may remember that i was noticing this sign combination downtown in several places).

    i suspect that a major reason for that was generational as much as anything else. the older boomers who liked souza and saylor appear to me to have been skeptical of a young student, even while running on their slate. greenwald was a safer pick, in that sense, than vergis, and so she picked up just enough of those third votes that, when combined with her (smaller) progressive base support, she was able to edge vergis out of third.

  75. 無名 - wu ming

    as i have said before, perhaps this is a good time to rethink the assumption of a simple partisan divide in this town, and a stable 60-40 anti-growth majority (as evidenced by one vote in one election about a specific development project).

    if you look at who raised the most money, it’s clear that being a “developer candidate” did not automatically translate into lots of donations. both cecilia and sue raised roughly double what vergis did, even though souza and saylor doubled that once again. given that the limit on donations is in fact $100, perhaps it’s time to accept that donations tend to reflect levels of support in town, and are not just some developer money laundering scheme, as has often been alleged in the comments here without evidence.

    finally, it is clear to me at any rate that for all the talk of two “slates” around town, voters put a variety of sets together that worked across those factional lines. most notably, it looks that greenwald won her race by being the third vote of a souza-saylor incumbant set (some of you may remember that i was noticing this sign combination downtown in several places).

    i suspect that a major reason for that was generational as much as anything else. the older boomers who liked souza and saylor appear to me to have been skeptical of a young student, even while running on their slate. greenwald was a safer pick, in that sense, than vergis, and so she picked up just enough of those third votes that, when combined with her (smaller) progressive base support, she was able to edge vergis out of third.

  76. 無名 - wu ming

    as i have said before, perhaps this is a good time to rethink the assumption of a simple partisan divide in this town, and a stable 60-40 anti-growth majority (as evidenced by one vote in one election about a specific development project).

    if you look at who raised the most money, it’s clear that being a “developer candidate” did not automatically translate into lots of donations. both cecilia and sue raised roughly double what vergis did, even though souza and saylor doubled that once again. given that the limit on donations is in fact $100, perhaps it’s time to accept that donations tend to reflect levels of support in town, and are not just some developer money laundering scheme, as has often been alleged in the comments here without evidence.

    finally, it is clear to me at any rate that for all the talk of two “slates” around town, voters put a variety of sets together that worked across those factional lines. most notably, it looks that greenwald won her race by being the third vote of a souza-saylor incumbant set (some of you may remember that i was noticing this sign combination downtown in several places).

    i suspect that a major reason for that was generational as much as anything else. the older boomers who liked souza and saylor appear to me to have been skeptical of a young student, even while running on their slate. greenwald was a safer pick, in that sense, than vergis, and so she picked up just enough of those third votes that, when combined with her (smaller) progressive base support, she was able to edge vergis out of third.

  77. 無名 - wu ming

    as for yamada-cabaldon, i think this proved two things:

    1) davis is still the political center of the district, at least in the democratic primary, and tends to vote for its own. jacking the west sac democratic cub numbers fraudulently around to get that nomination obscured the reality that there just aren’t as many democrats in west sac as cabaldon was trying to make it look like.

    2. it suggests that yolo is not a machine county, and that working the folks in sacramento and getting a bunch of endorsements does not obviate the need for engaging voters directly. yamada outhustled cabaldon, and had a bigger local base.

  78. 無名 - wu ming

    as for yamada-cabaldon, i think this proved two things:

    1) davis is still the political center of the district, at least in the democratic primary, and tends to vote for its own. jacking the west sac democratic cub numbers fraudulently around to get that nomination obscured the reality that there just aren’t as many democrats in west sac as cabaldon was trying to make it look like.

    2. it suggests that yolo is not a machine county, and that working the folks in sacramento and getting a bunch of endorsements does not obviate the need for engaging voters directly. yamada outhustled cabaldon, and had a bigger local base.

  79. 無名 - wu ming

    as for yamada-cabaldon, i think this proved two things:

    1) davis is still the political center of the district, at least in the democratic primary, and tends to vote for its own. jacking the west sac democratic cub numbers fraudulently around to get that nomination obscured the reality that there just aren’t as many democrats in west sac as cabaldon was trying to make it look like.

    2. it suggests that yolo is not a machine county, and that working the folks in sacramento and getting a bunch of endorsements does not obviate the need for engaging voters directly. yamada outhustled cabaldon, and had a bigger local base.

  80. 無名 - wu ming

    as for yamada-cabaldon, i think this proved two things:

    1) davis is still the political center of the district, at least in the democratic primary, and tends to vote for its own. jacking the west sac democratic cub numbers fraudulently around to get that nomination obscured the reality that there just aren’t as many democrats in west sac as cabaldon was trying to make it look like.

    2. it suggests that yolo is not a machine county, and that working the folks in sacramento and getting a bunch of endorsements does not obviate the need for engaging voters directly. yamada outhustled cabaldon, and had a bigger local base.

  81. wdf

    Re: turnout this year vs. previous years.

    It may have to do w/ what else is on the ballot. We’ve had senate and gubernatorial primaries in the past; even more exciting ballot measures.

    There was nothing exciting on the ballot beyond the Assembly race or local city council. Obviously those things interest some folks, but frankly a lot of other voters just don’t follow the details of local politics the way readers of this blog might.

  82. wdf

    Re: turnout this year vs. previous years.

    It may have to do w/ what else is on the ballot. We’ve had senate and gubernatorial primaries in the past; even more exciting ballot measures.

    There was nothing exciting on the ballot beyond the Assembly race or local city council. Obviously those things interest some folks, but frankly a lot of other voters just don’t follow the details of local politics the way readers of this blog might.

  83. wdf

    Re: turnout this year vs. previous years.

    It may have to do w/ what else is on the ballot. We’ve had senate and gubernatorial primaries in the past; even more exciting ballot measures.

    There was nothing exciting on the ballot beyond the Assembly race or local city council. Obviously those things interest some folks, but frankly a lot of other voters just don’t follow the details of local politics the way readers of this blog might.

  84. wdf

    Re: turnout this year vs. previous years.

    It may have to do w/ what else is on the ballot. We’ve had senate and gubernatorial primaries in the past; even more exciting ballot measures.

    There was nothing exciting on the ballot beyond the Assembly race or local city council. Obviously those things interest some folks, but frankly a lot of other voters just don’t follow the details of local politics the way readers of this blog might.

  85. Anonymous

    I think the voters have made a very good and strong statement with the city council race, “We are happy with the way things are going and who is guiding us.”

    Now is the time to put all the negative comments back into that dark place and to work with the council to improve this city. Bring back civilities to the meetings and public functions.

    Now is not the time to point fingers at the firefighters or cops in regards to the city being broke. Now is the time to figure out what hard decisions we have to make to ensure we have a fiscally sound commun ity while still maintaining a safe community.

    Congrats to the winners of the race. Also to Sydney for running a positive race.

    I was disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West, it was a clean race. Jim is obviously a well know name and face in the area and to hmi congrats.
    Ms. Kennedy was impressive and in my opinion she will be a poltical force to be aware of from here on out. Just think about this, in 91 or 92 days she was able to gather 16% of the voters support, WOW that is actually very big.

  86. Anonymous

    I think the voters have made a very good and strong statement with the city council race, “We are happy with the way things are going and who is guiding us.”

    Now is the time to put all the negative comments back into that dark place and to work with the council to improve this city. Bring back civilities to the meetings and public functions.

    Now is not the time to point fingers at the firefighters or cops in regards to the city being broke. Now is the time to figure out what hard decisions we have to make to ensure we have a fiscally sound commun ity while still maintaining a safe community.

    Congrats to the winners of the race. Also to Sydney for running a positive race.

    I was disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West, it was a clean race. Jim is obviously a well know name and face in the area and to hmi congrats.
    Ms. Kennedy was impressive and in my opinion she will be a poltical force to be aware of from here on out. Just think about this, in 91 or 92 days she was able to gather 16% of the voters support, WOW that is actually very big.

  87. Anonymous

    I think the voters have made a very good and strong statement with the city council race, “We are happy with the way things are going and who is guiding us.”

    Now is the time to put all the negative comments back into that dark place and to work with the council to improve this city. Bring back civilities to the meetings and public functions.

    Now is not the time to point fingers at the firefighters or cops in regards to the city being broke. Now is the time to figure out what hard decisions we have to make to ensure we have a fiscally sound commun ity while still maintaining a safe community.

    Congrats to the winners of the race. Also to Sydney for running a positive race.

    I was disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West, it was a clean race. Jim is obviously a well know name and face in the area and to hmi congrats.
    Ms. Kennedy was impressive and in my opinion she will be a poltical force to be aware of from here on out. Just think about this, in 91 or 92 days she was able to gather 16% of the voters support, WOW that is actually very big.

  88. Anonymous

    I think the voters have made a very good and strong statement with the city council race, “We are happy with the way things are going and who is guiding us.”

    Now is the time to put all the negative comments back into that dark place and to work with the council to improve this city. Bring back civilities to the meetings and public functions.

    Now is not the time to point fingers at the firefighters or cops in regards to the city being broke. Now is the time to figure out what hard decisions we have to make to ensure we have a fiscally sound commun ity while still maintaining a safe community.

    Congrats to the winners of the race. Also to Sydney for running a positive race.

    I was disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West, it was a clean race. Jim is obviously a well know name and face in the area and to hmi congrats.
    Ms. Kennedy was impressive and in my opinion she will be a poltical force to be aware of from here on out. Just think about this, in 91 or 92 days she was able to gather 16% of the voters support, WOW that is actually very big.

  89. Davis Republican

    Sue was re-elected yet barely campaigned (in comparison to SSS). I think that has to say something for Sue and her positions. Rob Roy’s campaign was a joke. And why is it that Vegis seemingly had lots of TV commercials?

    The problem is not the message of slow growth / protect Measure J, the issue is how the message got out. SSS were far better organized and visible. And, no one really ever made Saylor answer any questions – he was allowed to get away with vague responses.

    I think Sue’s message of protecting Davis’ unique identity is a good message. It just needs to be packaged differently and candidates need to do a better job of campaigning. As a Republican, the only candidate that I actually truly supported was Sue – she’s really the only one willing to address the budget situation honestly – and she understands the need to protect Davis from too much growth. Nobody wants to turn Davis into a Vacaville or Vallejo. And that’s the message someone should run on – slow, smart growth that adds to Davis’ character not subtracts from it – and fiscal responsibility so that Davis doesn’t go bankrupt or need to raise taxes (again). No offense to Celia and Lamar, but I just don’t think either of them have any interest in restraining costs. Saylor is already talking about tax increases. Why not make that an issue? Surely, even liberals don’t want to pay more taxes? 🙂

  90. Davis Republican

    Sue was re-elected yet barely campaigned (in comparison to SSS). I think that has to say something for Sue and her positions. Rob Roy’s campaign was a joke. And why is it that Vegis seemingly had lots of TV commercials?

    The problem is not the message of slow growth / protect Measure J, the issue is how the message got out. SSS were far better organized and visible. And, no one really ever made Saylor answer any questions – he was allowed to get away with vague responses.

    I think Sue’s message of protecting Davis’ unique identity is a good message. It just needs to be packaged differently and candidates need to do a better job of campaigning. As a Republican, the only candidate that I actually truly supported was Sue – she’s really the only one willing to address the budget situation honestly – and she understands the need to protect Davis from too much growth. Nobody wants to turn Davis into a Vacaville or Vallejo. And that’s the message someone should run on – slow, smart growth that adds to Davis’ character not subtracts from it – and fiscal responsibility so that Davis doesn’t go bankrupt or need to raise taxes (again). No offense to Celia and Lamar, but I just don’t think either of them have any interest in restraining costs. Saylor is already talking about tax increases. Why not make that an issue? Surely, even liberals don’t want to pay more taxes? 🙂

  91. Davis Republican

    Sue was re-elected yet barely campaigned (in comparison to SSS). I think that has to say something for Sue and her positions. Rob Roy’s campaign was a joke. And why is it that Vegis seemingly had lots of TV commercials?

    The problem is not the message of slow growth / protect Measure J, the issue is how the message got out. SSS were far better organized and visible. And, no one really ever made Saylor answer any questions – he was allowed to get away with vague responses.

    I think Sue’s message of protecting Davis’ unique identity is a good message. It just needs to be packaged differently and candidates need to do a better job of campaigning. As a Republican, the only candidate that I actually truly supported was Sue – she’s really the only one willing to address the budget situation honestly – and she understands the need to protect Davis from too much growth. Nobody wants to turn Davis into a Vacaville or Vallejo. And that’s the message someone should run on – slow, smart growth that adds to Davis’ character not subtracts from it – and fiscal responsibility so that Davis doesn’t go bankrupt or need to raise taxes (again). No offense to Celia and Lamar, but I just don’t think either of them have any interest in restraining costs. Saylor is already talking about tax increases. Why not make that an issue? Surely, even liberals don’t want to pay more taxes? 🙂

  92. Davis Republican

    Sue was re-elected yet barely campaigned (in comparison to SSS). I think that has to say something for Sue and her positions. Rob Roy’s campaign was a joke. And why is it that Vegis seemingly had lots of TV commercials?

    The problem is not the message of slow growth / protect Measure J, the issue is how the message got out. SSS were far better organized and visible. And, no one really ever made Saylor answer any questions – he was allowed to get away with vague responses.

    I think Sue’s message of protecting Davis’ unique identity is a good message. It just needs to be packaged differently and candidates need to do a better job of campaigning. As a Republican, the only candidate that I actually truly supported was Sue – she’s really the only one willing to address the budget situation honestly – and she understands the need to protect Davis from too much growth. Nobody wants to turn Davis into a Vacaville or Vallejo. And that’s the message someone should run on – slow, smart growth that adds to Davis’ character not subtracts from it – and fiscal responsibility so that Davis doesn’t go bankrupt or need to raise taxes (again). No offense to Celia and Lamar, but I just don’t think either of them have any interest in restraining costs. Saylor is already talking about tax increases. Why not make that an issue? Surely, even liberals don’t want to pay more taxes? 🙂

  93. Anonymous

    There is a simple, elegant explanation for the city council results and it has been proven over and over again in Davis in the past couple of years but consistently and conveniently ignored here:

    Your opinions about what should and shouldn’t be done are not shared by a majority of Davis voters.

    Measure X was a complicated issue and there were people who supported moderate growth who did not support Measure X. Votes for City Council and Target, however, have consistently shown that more voters oppose your views than share them.

    Money raised had nothing to do with who I would vote for. Other worries did not distract me from my choices for city council. I make my choices based on my view of the most capable, competent, and professional candidates with public service rather than private one-sided agendas.

    Please don’t tell me I was misled or distracted so didn’t know what I was doing. Far from it. I voted from a carefully considered review of the candidates and their fit with my views and I am mostly please with the results.

  94. Richard

    Cabaldon had major institutional and organizational advantages before the IE money entered the district, and I considered him the prohibitive favorite for that reason, although he still may have lost, anyway, we will never know

    but, in retrospect, the IE money essentially leveled the playing field for both candidates, and opened two apparent major opportunities for Yamada:

    (1) the Democratic Party in Yolo County, and a lot of its activists, are tied to the educational establishment (K-12, UC, YCC), and could be reached by emphasizing the evils of EdVoice

    (2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU

    the EdVoice mailings were horrible, just horrible, they just gave off the scent of a campaign in desperation, when I saw the post about them here upon returning from vacation, I was amazed that an IE could spent its money on something so counterproductive

    and, finally:

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West

    someone needs to tell Marty to chill out

    one of my friends told me that she berated them in front of their house when she saw a Provenza lawn sign in their yard

    if she had done that to me, I wouldn’t have been nearly as polite as they were, I don’t tolerate bullies

    anyway, really classy, especially given her support of Murphy and Ahad while she was on the school board and her subsequent hiring as a consultant by Ahad’s outside company, Total School Solutions

    –Richard Estes

  95. Anonymous

    There is a simple, elegant explanation for the city council results and it has been proven over and over again in Davis in the past couple of years but consistently and conveniently ignored here:

    Your opinions about what should and shouldn’t be done are not shared by a majority of Davis voters.

    Measure X was a complicated issue and there were people who supported moderate growth who did not support Measure X. Votes for City Council and Target, however, have consistently shown that more voters oppose your views than share them.

    Money raised had nothing to do with who I would vote for. Other worries did not distract me from my choices for city council. I make my choices based on my view of the most capable, competent, and professional candidates with public service rather than private one-sided agendas.

    Please don’t tell me I was misled or distracted so didn’t know what I was doing. Far from it. I voted from a carefully considered review of the candidates and their fit with my views and I am mostly please with the results.

  96. Richard

    Cabaldon had major institutional and organizational advantages before the IE money entered the district, and I considered him the prohibitive favorite for that reason, although he still may have lost, anyway, we will never know

    but, in retrospect, the IE money essentially leveled the playing field for both candidates, and opened two apparent major opportunities for Yamada:

    (1) the Democratic Party in Yolo County, and a lot of its activists, are tied to the educational establishment (K-12, UC, YCC), and could be reached by emphasizing the evils of EdVoice

    (2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU

    the EdVoice mailings were horrible, just horrible, they just gave off the scent of a campaign in desperation, when I saw the post about them here upon returning from vacation, I was amazed that an IE could spent its money on something so counterproductive

    and, finally:

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West

    someone needs to tell Marty to chill out

    one of my friends told me that she berated them in front of their house when she saw a Provenza lawn sign in their yard

    if she had done that to me, I wouldn’t have been nearly as polite as they were, I don’t tolerate bullies

    anyway, really classy, especially given her support of Murphy and Ahad while she was on the school board and her subsequent hiring as a consultant by Ahad’s outside company, Total School Solutions

    –Richard Estes

  97. Anonymous

    There is a simple, elegant explanation for the city council results and it has been proven over and over again in Davis in the past couple of years but consistently and conveniently ignored here:

    Your opinions about what should and shouldn’t be done are not shared by a majority of Davis voters.

    Measure X was a complicated issue and there were people who supported moderate growth who did not support Measure X. Votes for City Council and Target, however, have consistently shown that more voters oppose your views than share them.

    Money raised had nothing to do with who I would vote for. Other worries did not distract me from my choices for city council. I make my choices based on my view of the most capable, competent, and professional candidates with public service rather than private one-sided agendas.

    Please don’t tell me I was misled or distracted so didn’t know what I was doing. Far from it. I voted from a carefully considered review of the candidates and their fit with my views and I am mostly please with the results.

  98. Richard

    Cabaldon had major institutional and organizational advantages before the IE money entered the district, and I considered him the prohibitive favorite for that reason, although he still may have lost, anyway, we will never know

    but, in retrospect, the IE money essentially leveled the playing field for both candidates, and opened two apparent major opportunities for Yamada:

    (1) the Democratic Party in Yolo County, and a lot of its activists, are tied to the educational establishment (K-12, UC, YCC), and could be reached by emphasizing the evils of EdVoice

    (2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU

    the EdVoice mailings were horrible, just horrible, they just gave off the scent of a campaign in desperation, when I saw the post about them here upon returning from vacation, I was amazed that an IE could spent its money on something so counterproductive

    and, finally:

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West

    someone needs to tell Marty to chill out

    one of my friends told me that she berated them in front of their house when she saw a Provenza lawn sign in their yard

    if she had done that to me, I wouldn’t have been nearly as polite as they were, I don’t tolerate bullies

    anyway, really classy, especially given her support of Murphy and Ahad while she was on the school board and her subsequent hiring as a consultant by Ahad’s outside company, Total School Solutions

    –Richard Estes

  99. Anonymous

    There is a simple, elegant explanation for the city council results and it has been proven over and over again in Davis in the past couple of years but consistently and conveniently ignored here:

    Your opinions about what should and shouldn’t be done are not shared by a majority of Davis voters.

    Measure X was a complicated issue and there were people who supported moderate growth who did not support Measure X. Votes for City Council and Target, however, have consistently shown that more voters oppose your views than share them.

    Money raised had nothing to do with who I would vote for. Other worries did not distract me from my choices for city council. I make my choices based on my view of the most capable, competent, and professional candidates with public service rather than private one-sided agendas.

    Please don’t tell me I was misled or distracted so didn’t know what I was doing. Far from it. I voted from a carefully considered review of the candidates and their fit with my views and I am mostly please with the results.

  100. Richard

    Cabaldon had major institutional and organizational advantages before the IE money entered the district, and I considered him the prohibitive favorite for that reason, although he still may have lost, anyway, we will never know

    but, in retrospect, the IE money essentially leveled the playing field for both candidates, and opened two apparent major opportunities for Yamada:

    (1) the Democratic Party in Yolo County, and a lot of its activists, are tied to the educational establishment (K-12, UC, YCC), and could be reached by emphasizing the evils of EdVoice

    (2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU

    the EdVoice mailings were horrible, just horrible, they just gave off the scent of a campaign in desperation, when I saw the post about them here upon returning from vacation, I was amazed that an IE could spent its money on something so counterproductive

    and, finally:

    To the Supervisors race, With the exception of Ferrera not being able to control his camp and a nasty hate filled letter distributed by Marty West

    someone needs to tell Marty to chill out

    one of my friends told me that she berated them in front of their house when she saw a Provenza lawn sign in their yard

    if she had done that to me, I wouldn’t have been nearly as polite as they were, I don’t tolerate bullies

    anyway, really classy, especially given her support of Murphy and Ahad while she was on the school board and her subsequent hiring as a consultant by Ahad’s outside company, Total School Solutions

    –Richard Estes

  101. Robin

    “Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases.”

    Gutting Measure J?

    Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.”

    She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face.

  102. Robin

    “Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases.”

    Gutting Measure J?

    Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.”

    She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face.

  103. Robin

    “Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases.”

    Gutting Measure J?

    Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.”

    She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face.

  104. Robin

    “Saylor and Souza are going to be as arrogant as heck, the two assuming that voters want what they are peddling – gutting Measure J and approving Covell Village in phases.”

    Gutting Measure J?

    Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.”

    She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face.

  105. Anonymous

    “(2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU”

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

  106. Anonymous

    “(2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU”

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

  107. Anonymous

    “(2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU”

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

  108. Anonymous

    “(2) Yamada got CTA as a result, and then, CNA as well, and, no doubt some others, giving her union support to go toe to toe with Cabaldon, who, if I remember correctly, got SEIU”

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

  109. Anonymous

    Kennedy won’t be a force in the future. Any Republican would get 16% of the vote.

    Yamada won’t be a leader on the environment. Social services stuff, yes, but environment, no. Not that she will be against it, just not a leader on the issue.

  110. Anonymous

    Kennedy won’t be a force in the future. Any Republican would get 16% of the vote.

    Yamada won’t be a leader on the environment. Social services stuff, yes, but environment, no. Not that she will be against it, just not a leader on the issue.

  111. Anonymous

    Kennedy won’t be a force in the future. Any Republican would get 16% of the vote.

    Yamada won’t be a leader on the environment. Social services stuff, yes, but environment, no. Not that she will be against it, just not a leader on the issue.

  112. Anonymous

    Kennedy won’t be a force in the future. Any Republican would get 16% of the vote.

    Yamada won’t be a leader on the environment. Social services stuff, yes, but environment, no. Not that she will be against it, just not a leader on the issue.

  113. chester

    “Actually it was meant to suggest that she was not anti-law enforcement.”

    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional.

    Of course, this is just an opinion.

  114. chester

    “Actually it was meant to suggest that she was not anti-law enforcement.”

    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional.

    Of course, this is just an opinion.

  115. chester

    “Actually it was meant to suggest that she was not anti-law enforcement.”

    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional.

    Of course, this is just an opinion.

  116. chester

    “Actually it was meant to suggest that she was not anti-law enforcement.”

    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional.

    Of course, this is just an opinion.

  117. Anonymous

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

    So why then did Cecelia, who actually works for Local 1000, make such a fool of herself by attacking the firefighters?

  118. Anonymous

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

    So why then did Cecelia, who actually works for Local 1000, make such a fool of herself by attacking the firefighters?

  119. Anonymous

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

    So why then did Cecelia, who actually works for Local 1000, make such a fool of herself by attacking the firefighters?

  120. Anonymous

    Actually Yamada had SEIU 1000 at least, the state workers union. Some of the most effective IE expenditures near the end came from SEIU 1000. Very thoughtful, well written stuff as opposed to most of the trollop that we were seeing come out of the IE expenditures in this campaign.

    So why then did Cecelia, who actually works for Local 1000, make such a fool of herself by attacking the firefighters?

  121. Anonymous

    Lay off Cecilia. I didn’t support her, but she ran a good campaign, lost, deserves some sympathy, and everyone needs to move on. The election is now over, let’s get to work.

  122. Anonymous

    Lay off Cecilia. I didn’t support her, but she ran a good campaign, lost, deserves some sympathy, and everyone needs to move on. The election is now over, let’s get to work.

  123. Anonymous

    Lay off Cecilia. I didn’t support her, but she ran a good campaign, lost, deserves some sympathy, and everyone needs to move on. The election is now over, let’s get to work.

  124. Anonymous

    Lay off Cecilia. I didn’t support her, but she ran a good campaign, lost, deserves some sympathy, and everyone needs to move on. The election is now over, let’s get to work.

  125. 無名 - wu ming

    running as a republican in a district with south davis and mace ranch and pulling 16% is probably underperforming the republican registration numbers. kennedy isn’t going to be an up and comer in davis politics as long as her politics remains the same.

    i was surprised the ferrara wasn’t able to keep it closer, though.

    as for fundraising, i think that it’s less that money buys elections than that it is a fairly good indicator that being able to raise a lot of money in this town, with the low limit of $100 max donations, reflects the relative size of one’s base, and thus one’s chance at winning. when i saw the enterprise fundraising numbers on the 30th, i figured it’d be an all-incumbant result.

  126. 無名 - wu ming

    running as a republican in a district with south davis and mace ranch and pulling 16% is probably underperforming the republican registration numbers. kennedy isn’t going to be an up and comer in davis politics as long as her politics remains the same.

    i was surprised the ferrara wasn’t able to keep it closer, though.

    as for fundraising, i think that it’s less that money buys elections than that it is a fairly good indicator that being able to raise a lot of money in this town, with the low limit of $100 max donations, reflects the relative size of one’s base, and thus one’s chance at winning. when i saw the enterprise fundraising numbers on the 30th, i figured it’d be an all-incumbant result.

  127. 無名 - wu ming

    running as a republican in a district with south davis and mace ranch and pulling 16% is probably underperforming the republican registration numbers. kennedy isn’t going to be an up and comer in davis politics as long as her politics remains the same.

    i was surprised the ferrara wasn’t able to keep it closer, though.

    as for fundraising, i think that it’s less that money buys elections than that it is a fairly good indicator that being able to raise a lot of money in this town, with the low limit of $100 max donations, reflects the relative size of one’s base, and thus one’s chance at winning. when i saw the enterprise fundraising numbers on the 30th, i figured it’d be an all-incumbant result.

  128. 無名 - wu ming

    running as a republican in a district with south davis and mace ranch and pulling 16% is probably underperforming the republican registration numbers. kennedy isn’t going to be an up and comer in davis politics as long as her politics remains the same.

    i was surprised the ferrara wasn’t able to keep it closer, though.

    as for fundraising, i think that it’s less that money buys elections than that it is a fairly good indicator that being able to raise a lot of money in this town, with the low limit of $100 max donations, reflects the relative size of one’s base, and thus one’s chance at winning. when i saw the enterprise fundraising numbers on the 30th, i figured it’d be an all-incumbant result.

  129. Anonymous

    due to the fact that Kennedy only entered in the race 3 months ago spending only about $17000 on her campaign while ferrara and provenza spent over $100,000 and started campaigning last year yes she is definitely a force to be reckoned with plus maybe its time a dirty republican stepped in and take over populated liberal muck and fix the problems going on here

  130. Anonymous

    due to the fact that Kennedy only entered in the race 3 months ago spending only about $17000 on her campaign while ferrara and provenza spent over $100,000 and started campaigning last year yes she is definitely a force to be reckoned with plus maybe its time a dirty republican stepped in and take over populated liberal muck and fix the problems going on here

  131. Anonymous

    due to the fact that Kennedy only entered in the race 3 months ago spending only about $17000 on her campaign while ferrara and provenza spent over $100,000 and started campaigning last year yes she is definitely a force to be reckoned with plus maybe its time a dirty republican stepped in and take over populated liberal muck and fix the problems going on here

  132. Anonymous

    due to the fact that Kennedy only entered in the race 3 months ago spending only about $17000 on her campaign while ferrara and provenza spent over $100,000 and started campaigning last year yes she is definitely a force to be reckoned with plus maybe its time a dirty republican stepped in and take over populated liberal muck and fix the problems going on here

  133. sydney vs. lamar

    Robin (souza?) said:

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”

    Having watched the forums, this was not as obvious as you make it sound. I think what has happened is Stephen can now say he is FOR MEASURE J because Kemble Pope, his campaign manager, has made apparent the strategy to place more than one version of Measure J on the ballot.

    So Stephen can say he supports Measure J as it is, but the true measure will be how hard he campaigns for the re-incarnation of it, and not the watered down version that Saylor and Jan Bridge / Asmundson will present to split the vote / confuse voters.

    Also, don’t forget that Jim Hyde is now GONE. And, while no one wants to admit it, there is nothing wrong with a COPWATCH program- every big city has one. Davis isn’t big enough to have one, but an oversight committee is appropriate. Of course, Asmundson watered it down from the original version, but the idea is sound.

    Cecelia may have been a polarizing figure from that time period, but her passion is needed, and to be honest, we really need some sass up there to stand up to the Saylor passive bully tactics. You all know what I’m talking about. Sue does not have enough sass and clever retorts to outmaneuver this passive aggressiveness. Too often she is stunned. Sorry Sue, just the way it is- at least you always do your homework and clearly know the facts.

    Next Race: Sydney crowd tries to unseat Lamar. It will be a Ruth / Sydney ticket. Will it be a Lamar / Cecilia ticket?

  134. sydney vs. lamar

    Robin (souza?) said:

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”

    Having watched the forums, this was not as obvious as you make it sound. I think what has happened is Stephen can now say he is FOR MEASURE J because Kemble Pope, his campaign manager, has made apparent the strategy to place more than one version of Measure J on the ballot.

    So Stephen can say he supports Measure J as it is, but the true measure will be how hard he campaigns for the re-incarnation of it, and not the watered down version that Saylor and Jan Bridge / Asmundson will present to split the vote / confuse voters.

    Also, don’t forget that Jim Hyde is now GONE. And, while no one wants to admit it, there is nothing wrong with a COPWATCH program- every big city has one. Davis isn’t big enough to have one, but an oversight committee is appropriate. Of course, Asmundson watered it down from the original version, but the idea is sound.

    Cecelia may have been a polarizing figure from that time period, but her passion is needed, and to be honest, we really need some sass up there to stand up to the Saylor passive bully tactics. You all know what I’m talking about. Sue does not have enough sass and clever retorts to outmaneuver this passive aggressiveness. Too often she is stunned. Sorry Sue, just the way it is- at least you always do your homework and clearly know the facts.

    Next Race: Sydney crowd tries to unseat Lamar. It will be a Ruth / Sydney ticket. Will it be a Lamar / Cecilia ticket?

  135. sydney vs. lamar

    Robin (souza?) said:

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”

    Having watched the forums, this was not as obvious as you make it sound. I think what has happened is Stephen can now say he is FOR MEASURE J because Kemble Pope, his campaign manager, has made apparent the strategy to place more than one version of Measure J on the ballot.

    So Stephen can say he supports Measure J as it is, but the true measure will be how hard he campaigns for the re-incarnation of it, and not the watered down version that Saylor and Jan Bridge / Asmundson will present to split the vote / confuse voters.

    Also, don’t forget that Jim Hyde is now GONE. And, while no one wants to admit it, there is nothing wrong with a COPWATCH program- every big city has one. Davis isn’t big enough to have one, but an oversight committee is appropriate. Of course, Asmundson watered it down from the original version, but the idea is sound.

    Cecelia may have been a polarizing figure from that time period, but her passion is needed, and to be honest, we really need some sass up there to stand up to the Saylor passive bully tactics. You all know what I’m talking about. Sue does not have enough sass and clever retorts to outmaneuver this passive aggressiveness. Too often she is stunned. Sorry Sue, just the way it is- at least you always do your homework and clearly know the facts.

    Next Race: Sydney crowd tries to unseat Lamar. It will be a Ruth / Sydney ticket. Will it be a Lamar / Cecilia ticket?

  136. sydney vs. lamar

    Robin (souza?) said:

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”

    Having watched the forums, this was not as obvious as you make it sound. I think what has happened is Stephen can now say he is FOR MEASURE J because Kemble Pope, his campaign manager, has made apparent the strategy to place more than one version of Measure J on the ballot.

    So Stephen can say he supports Measure J as it is, but the true measure will be how hard he campaigns for the re-incarnation of it, and not the watered down version that Saylor and Jan Bridge / Asmundson will present to split the vote / confuse voters.

    Also, don’t forget that Jim Hyde is now GONE. And, while no one wants to admit it, there is nothing wrong with a COPWATCH program- every big city has one. Davis isn’t big enough to have one, but an oversight committee is appropriate. Of course, Asmundson watered it down from the original version, but the idea is sound.

    Cecelia may have been a polarizing figure from that time period, but her passion is needed, and to be honest, we really need some sass up there to stand up to the Saylor passive bully tactics. You all know what I’m talking about. Sue does not have enough sass and clever retorts to outmaneuver this passive aggressiveness. Too often she is stunned. Sorry Sue, just the way it is- at least you always do your homework and clearly know the facts.

    Next Race: Sydney crowd tries to unseat Lamar. It will be a Ruth / Sydney ticket. Will it be a Lamar / Cecilia ticket?

  137. Anonymous

    Surely, DPD (the moniker pretty much says it all), you don’t think a photo op with Calvin Handy in front of the building is going to convince me of anything or wipe away all the prior history.

  138. Anonymous

    Surely, DPD (the moniker pretty much says it all), you don’t think a photo op with Calvin Handy in front of the building is going to convince me of anything or wipe away all the prior history.

  139. Anonymous

    Surely, DPD (the moniker pretty much says it all), you don’t think a photo op with Calvin Handy in front of the building is going to convince me of anything or wipe away all the prior history.

  140. Anonymous

    Surely, DPD (the moniker pretty much says it all), you don’t think a photo op with Calvin Handy in front of the building is going to convince me of anything or wipe away all the prior history.

  141. Anonymous

    Yamada’s victory can be attributed to voter turn-off due to the large amount of EdVoice IE mailers, and excellent organization on the part of SEIU 1000. They had over 100 members walking precincts from Friday until Monday, and over 150 members walking on election day. In this battle, the unions brought to Yamada something EdVoice’s money couldn’t buy– an effective, organized ground game to rival that of Cabaldon’s campaign. I’ll admit, I thought Cabaldon was going to win in, because simply on the basis of the two campaign’s, his was by far the stronger. However, as noted above, between the IEs, those backing Yamada were by far the superior.

    This was not a victory for Brian Micek, though he still has a job b/c of it. This was a vicotry for Yamada herself, and the unions who rallied against Cabaldon and his EdVoice influence.

  142. Anonymous

    Yamada’s victory can be attributed to voter turn-off due to the large amount of EdVoice IE mailers, and excellent organization on the part of SEIU 1000. They had over 100 members walking precincts from Friday until Monday, and over 150 members walking on election day. In this battle, the unions brought to Yamada something EdVoice’s money couldn’t buy– an effective, organized ground game to rival that of Cabaldon’s campaign. I’ll admit, I thought Cabaldon was going to win in, because simply on the basis of the two campaign’s, his was by far the stronger. However, as noted above, between the IEs, those backing Yamada were by far the superior.

    This was not a victory for Brian Micek, though he still has a job b/c of it. This was a vicotry for Yamada herself, and the unions who rallied against Cabaldon and his EdVoice influence.

  143. Anonymous

    Yamada’s victory can be attributed to voter turn-off due to the large amount of EdVoice IE mailers, and excellent organization on the part of SEIU 1000. They had over 100 members walking precincts from Friday until Monday, and over 150 members walking on election day. In this battle, the unions brought to Yamada something EdVoice’s money couldn’t buy– an effective, organized ground game to rival that of Cabaldon’s campaign. I’ll admit, I thought Cabaldon was going to win in, because simply on the basis of the two campaign’s, his was by far the stronger. However, as noted above, between the IEs, those backing Yamada were by far the superior.

    This was not a victory for Brian Micek, though he still has a job b/c of it. This was a vicotry for Yamada herself, and the unions who rallied against Cabaldon and his EdVoice influence.

  144. Anonymous

    Yamada’s victory can be attributed to voter turn-off due to the large amount of EdVoice IE mailers, and excellent organization on the part of SEIU 1000. They had over 100 members walking precincts from Friday until Monday, and over 150 members walking on election day. In this battle, the unions brought to Yamada something EdVoice’s money couldn’t buy– an effective, organized ground game to rival that of Cabaldon’s campaign. I’ll admit, I thought Cabaldon was going to win in, because simply on the basis of the two campaign’s, his was by far the stronger. However, as noted above, between the IEs, those backing Yamada were by far the superior.

    This was not a victory for Brian Micek, though he still has a job b/c of it. This was a vicotry for Yamada herself, and the unions who rallied against Cabaldon and his EdVoice influence.

  145. Anonymous

    I’m in El Macero and it was about 50-50 in terms of mailers for Yamada and Cabaldon and Yamada’s were all negative. I only remember one negative Cabaldon mailer, most of them were just puffs promoting himself.

  146. Anonymous

    I’m in El Macero and it was about 50-50 in terms of mailers for Yamada and Cabaldon and Yamada’s were all negative. I only remember one negative Cabaldon mailer, most of them were just puffs promoting himself.

  147. Anonymous

    I’m in El Macero and it was about 50-50 in terms of mailers for Yamada and Cabaldon and Yamada’s were all negative. I only remember one negative Cabaldon mailer, most of them were just puffs promoting himself.

  148. Anonymous

    I’m in El Macero and it was about 50-50 in terms of mailers for Yamada and Cabaldon and Yamada’s were all negative. I only remember one negative Cabaldon mailer, most of them were just puffs promoting himself.

  149. Anonymous

    Look at the money. With the exeption of Cecilia, the candidates won pretty much according to what they spent. I was outspent probably 2 1/2 or 3 to l by Saylor and a little less by Souza, counting firefighter IE’s.

    The year that I was top vote-getter, I spent roughly equal, if I recall. I had to spend a large amount of my own money. Lamar also spent about the same amount as Ruth when he came in a very close second. He spent a huge amount of his own money.

    Candidates backed by the developers, chamber of commerce, and firefighters can raise two or three times the money that candidates not backed by special interests can raise, if you count the IE’s.

    There is a limit to the amount of personal savings that grass-roots candidates are willing to spend.

    This is why I believe we need district elections, unless you like the kind of results that we are now getting.

  150. Anonymous

    Look at the money. With the exeption of Cecilia, the candidates won pretty much according to what they spent. I was outspent probably 2 1/2 or 3 to l by Saylor and a little less by Souza, counting firefighter IE’s.

    The year that I was top vote-getter, I spent roughly equal, if I recall. I had to spend a large amount of my own money. Lamar also spent about the same amount as Ruth when he came in a very close second. He spent a huge amount of his own money.

    Candidates backed by the developers, chamber of commerce, and firefighters can raise two or three times the money that candidates not backed by special interests can raise, if you count the IE’s.

    There is a limit to the amount of personal savings that grass-roots candidates are willing to spend.

    This is why I believe we need district elections, unless you like the kind of results that we are now getting.

  151. Anonymous

    Look at the money. With the exeption of Cecilia, the candidates won pretty much according to what they spent. I was outspent probably 2 1/2 or 3 to l by Saylor and a little less by Souza, counting firefighter IE’s.

    The year that I was top vote-getter, I spent roughly equal, if I recall. I had to spend a large amount of my own money. Lamar also spent about the same amount as Ruth when he came in a very close second. He spent a huge amount of his own money.

    Candidates backed by the developers, chamber of commerce, and firefighters can raise two or three times the money that candidates not backed by special interests can raise, if you count the IE’s.

    There is a limit to the amount of personal savings that grass-roots candidates are willing to spend.

    This is why I believe we need district elections, unless you like the kind of results that we are now getting.

  152. Anonymous

    Look at the money. With the exeption of Cecilia, the candidates won pretty much according to what they spent. I was outspent probably 2 1/2 or 3 to l by Saylor and a little less by Souza, counting firefighter IE’s.

    The year that I was top vote-getter, I spent roughly equal, if I recall. I had to spend a large amount of my own money. Lamar also spent about the same amount as Ruth when he came in a very close second. He spent a huge amount of his own money.

    Candidates backed by the developers, chamber of commerce, and firefighters can raise two or three times the money that candidates not backed by special interests can raise, if you count the IE’s.

    There is a limit to the amount of personal savings that grass-roots candidates are willing to spend.

    This is why I believe we need district elections, unless you like the kind of results that we are now getting.

  153. davisite

    As I read Harriet’s report on the Measure J ordinance renewal options, if there is more than one version, the sum of the yes votes for all versions is measured against the sum of the no votes for all versions. If the sum of yes votes is in the majority, THEN the one yes version with the most votes wins. Souza campaigned that he wanted to discuss these issues AFTER the election. NOW IS THE TIME for him to be made to “show his colors”!

  154. davisite

    As I read Harriet’s report on the Measure J ordinance renewal options, if there is more than one version, the sum of the yes votes for all versions is measured against the sum of the no votes for all versions. If the sum of yes votes is in the majority, THEN the one yes version with the most votes wins. Souza campaigned that he wanted to discuss these issues AFTER the election. NOW IS THE TIME for him to be made to “show his colors”!

  155. davisite

    As I read Harriet’s report on the Measure J ordinance renewal options, if there is more than one version, the sum of the yes votes for all versions is measured against the sum of the no votes for all versions. If the sum of yes votes is in the majority, THEN the one yes version with the most votes wins. Souza campaigned that he wanted to discuss these issues AFTER the election. NOW IS THE TIME for him to be made to “show his colors”!

  156. davisite

    As I read Harriet’s report on the Measure J ordinance renewal options, if there is more than one version, the sum of the yes votes for all versions is measured against the sum of the no votes for all versions. If the sum of yes votes is in the majority, THEN the one yes version with the most votes wins. Souza campaigned that he wanted to discuss these issues AFTER the election. NOW IS THE TIME for him to be made to “show his colors”!

  157. Anonymous

    Sue, what’s wrong with the results we are now getting? I think that you, Saylor & Sousa won fair & square. I don’t know how having a district election process would change that result much and district representation would encourage Nimbyism and conflict in the community. Just because you find campaigning and fundraising distasteful, doesn’t mean we should change the city’s representation.

    Last time you were the top vote getter because you quietly benefited from the Gidaro fiasco that took votes away from Stan Forbes, Mike Harrington and Don Saylor. You said nothing in their defense at the time and enjoyed the result. You also had money and the endorsement of the Fire Fighters.

  158. Anonymous

    Sue, what’s wrong with the results we are now getting? I think that you, Saylor & Sousa won fair & square. I don’t know how having a district election process would change that result much and district representation would encourage Nimbyism and conflict in the community. Just because you find campaigning and fundraising distasteful, doesn’t mean we should change the city’s representation.

    Last time you were the top vote getter because you quietly benefited from the Gidaro fiasco that took votes away from Stan Forbes, Mike Harrington and Don Saylor. You said nothing in their defense at the time and enjoyed the result. You also had money and the endorsement of the Fire Fighters.

  159. Anonymous

    Sue, what’s wrong with the results we are now getting? I think that you, Saylor & Sousa won fair & square. I don’t know how having a district election process would change that result much and district representation would encourage Nimbyism and conflict in the community. Just because you find campaigning and fundraising distasteful, doesn’t mean we should change the city’s representation.

    Last time you were the top vote getter because you quietly benefited from the Gidaro fiasco that took votes away from Stan Forbes, Mike Harrington and Don Saylor. You said nothing in their defense at the time and enjoyed the result. You also had money and the endorsement of the Fire Fighters.

  160. Anonymous

    Sue, what’s wrong with the results we are now getting? I think that you, Saylor & Sousa won fair & square. I don’t know how having a district election process would change that result much and district representation would encourage Nimbyism and conflict in the community. Just because you find campaigning and fundraising distasteful, doesn’t mean we should change the city’s representation.

    Last time you were the top vote getter because you quietly benefited from the Gidaro fiasco that took votes away from Stan Forbes, Mike Harrington and Don Saylor. You said nothing in their defense at the time and enjoyed the result. You also had money and the endorsement of the Fire Fighters.

  161. Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald

    Setting the Record Straight Once and for All

    After resting for a few hours this morning and getting caught up on household and life chores – that have been put on the back burner while running for office – I have decided to answer some questions and statements that appear on this blog.

    My first response is to Anonymous at 10:33 AM. You are a person who does not wish to use your name, but at least call me at 400-2511 or email me so that we can set up a time to meet so you can get your facts correct.

    You said that you were, “disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.”

    No, it is not deceptive. I have known Chief Handy for many years and worked with him and other law enforcement officials when I chaired the HRC. I have tremendous respect for him.

    He has meetings at the Davis Police Department since he is a member of the Police Advisory Committee. This is an organization along with the Ombudsman, which was put in place to address concerns and make suggestions. This came about as a result of the concerns aired to the HRC that they brought forth to the city council.

    Asking questions and raising concerns is the cornerstone of democracy.

    I ask you to please look at your own preconceived notions that you have about me simply from what you may have read in the Enterprise or heard from someone who disagreed with me. If you want the truth and if you want answers to your questions then call me and we can set up a time to meet. My number is 530-400-2511.

    Next, I will respond to Robin (Souza?) who said,

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.” She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face. 6/4/08 11:32 AM

    Thank you for an opportunity to address this question Robin. I believe you have raised this opinion before on the blog.

    Raising community concerns as opposed to ignoring them is not easy, but raising concerns is always needed even when topics may be difficult. It’s how we grow as individuals and as organizations or as a city.

    And in this capacity I mean “grow” as in “improve.” We learned a lot from the HRC experience; however, when over 200 people attend a forum and raise the same concerns then it is irresponsible to not listen, take action and make recommendations. If you consider this extreme, due to what you read in the paper then that is your individual decision.

    However, I will always speak up when I see mistreatment of those with disabilities, children, the elderly, and those who may not have a voice in government or anyone for that matter.

    If you consider that baggage that is your decision; however, that does not make me a bad person. And I will gladly hand you back your label.

    Then, chester said…
    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional. Of course, this is just an opinion.” 6/4/08 12:00 PM

    Yes, the police department is well managed at this time and very professional. I think Chief Landy Black is doing a good job.

    Sorry Chester, you do have a right to your opinion, but I am not going away.

    I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.”

    And my last response is for Kembel Pope of the Davis Voice. The Davis Voice has been an inaccurate voice and I need to set the record straight.

    I heard from someone who reads Kembel’s blog that he said that I am being financed by developers because The Vanguard (my husband’s blog) has advertising on his web page from the wife of a developer.

    I’m sorry to ruin your “hit’ piece Kemble, but you are absolutely wrong. In the future, please call me at (530) 400-2511. I would be more than happy to speak with you so that you could have the correct information instead of giving those who read your webpage wrong information.

    My husband, David, runs a blog known as The People’s Vanguard of Davis. He sells ad space. Any business can buy ad space.

    I’m sure he will be happy to give you an ad packet with his rates and information.

    Tata Monfared, the owner of Senses Magazine bought ad space from David. She happens to be the wife of a developer. She bought ad space just as any other business can.

    The $14,000 that I loaned my campaign is a LOAN which you saw on my campaign expenditure. You know what a loan is. You know the kind that you make monthly payments on? The kind of loan that accrues interest?

    My husband and I were not and are not financed by developers as you say.

    In the future, I would encourage you to pick up the phone and call before you print untruths. It does not reflect well on you, your candidate, or your blog.

    Your candidate chose to accept developer money and that was his personal choice, but I chose not to.

    Please, get your facts straight. I joke with my husband that we should have invited you over for our lavish rice, beans, salad and bread.

    We sacrificed a lot financially, because the future of our city means so much to us and I chose to run for office.

    Just as my husband does when he makes an error and corrects himself I hope that you, Kembel, will take the high road and correct your untruths on your website.

    I don’t know that you will, but it would be the honorable thing to do.

  162. Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald

    Setting the Record Straight Once and for All

    After resting for a few hours this morning and getting caught up on household and life chores – that have been put on the back burner while running for office – I have decided to answer some questions and statements that appear on this blog.

    My first response is to Anonymous at 10:33 AM. You are a person who does not wish to use your name, but at least call me at 400-2511 or email me so that we can set up a time to meet so you can get your facts correct.

    You said that you were, “disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.”

    No, it is not deceptive. I have known Chief Handy for many years and worked with him and other law enforcement officials when I chaired the HRC. I have tremendous respect for him.

    He has meetings at the Davis Police Department since he is a member of the Police Advisory Committee. This is an organization along with the Ombudsman, which was put in place to address concerns and make suggestions. This came about as a result of the concerns aired to the HRC that they brought forth to the city council.

    Asking questions and raising concerns is the cornerstone of democracy.

    I ask you to please look at your own preconceived notions that you have about me simply from what you may have read in the Enterprise or heard from someone who disagreed with me. If you want the truth and if you want answers to your questions then call me and we can set up a time to meet. My number is 530-400-2511.

    Next, I will respond to Robin (Souza?) who said,

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.” She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face. 6/4/08 11:32 AM

    Thank you for an opportunity to address this question Robin. I believe you have raised this opinion before on the blog.

    Raising community concerns as opposed to ignoring them is not easy, but raising concerns is always needed even when topics may be difficult. It’s how we grow as individuals and as organizations or as a city.

    And in this capacity I mean “grow” as in “improve.” We learned a lot from the HRC experience; however, when over 200 people attend a forum and raise the same concerns then it is irresponsible to not listen, take action and make recommendations. If you consider this extreme, due to what you read in the paper then that is your individual decision.

    However, I will always speak up when I see mistreatment of those with disabilities, children, the elderly, and those who may not have a voice in government or anyone for that matter.

    If you consider that baggage that is your decision; however, that does not make me a bad person. And I will gladly hand you back your label.

    Then, chester said…
    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional. Of course, this is just an opinion.” 6/4/08 12:00 PM

    Yes, the police department is well managed at this time and very professional. I think Chief Landy Black is doing a good job.

    Sorry Chester, you do have a right to your opinion, but I am not going away.

    I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.”

    And my last response is for Kembel Pope of the Davis Voice. The Davis Voice has been an inaccurate voice and I need to set the record straight.

    I heard from someone who reads Kembel’s blog that he said that I am being financed by developers because The Vanguard (my husband’s blog) has advertising on his web page from the wife of a developer.

    I’m sorry to ruin your “hit’ piece Kemble, but you are absolutely wrong. In the future, please call me at (530) 400-2511. I would be more than happy to speak with you so that you could have the correct information instead of giving those who read your webpage wrong information.

    My husband, David, runs a blog known as The People’s Vanguard of Davis. He sells ad space. Any business can buy ad space.

    I’m sure he will be happy to give you an ad packet with his rates and information.

    Tata Monfared, the owner of Senses Magazine bought ad space from David. She happens to be the wife of a developer. She bought ad space just as any other business can.

    The $14,000 that I loaned my campaign is a LOAN which you saw on my campaign expenditure. You know what a loan is. You know the kind that you make monthly payments on? The kind of loan that accrues interest?

    My husband and I were not and are not financed by developers as you say.

    In the future, I would encourage you to pick up the phone and call before you print untruths. It does not reflect well on you, your candidate, or your blog.

    Your candidate chose to accept developer money and that was his personal choice, but I chose not to.

    Please, get your facts straight. I joke with my husband that we should have invited you over for our lavish rice, beans, salad and bread.

    We sacrificed a lot financially, because the future of our city means so much to us and I chose to run for office.

    Just as my husband does when he makes an error and corrects himself I hope that you, Kembel, will take the high road and correct your untruths on your website.

    I don’t know that you will, but it would be the honorable thing to do.

  163. Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald

    Setting the Record Straight Once and for All

    After resting for a few hours this morning and getting caught up on household and life chores – that have been put on the back burner while running for office – I have decided to answer some questions and statements that appear on this blog.

    My first response is to Anonymous at 10:33 AM. You are a person who does not wish to use your name, but at least call me at 400-2511 or email me so that we can set up a time to meet so you can get your facts correct.

    You said that you were, “disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.”

    No, it is not deceptive. I have known Chief Handy for many years and worked with him and other law enforcement officials when I chaired the HRC. I have tremendous respect for him.

    He has meetings at the Davis Police Department since he is a member of the Police Advisory Committee. This is an organization along with the Ombudsman, which was put in place to address concerns and make suggestions. This came about as a result of the concerns aired to the HRC that they brought forth to the city council.

    Asking questions and raising concerns is the cornerstone of democracy.

    I ask you to please look at your own preconceived notions that you have about me simply from what you may have read in the Enterprise or heard from someone who disagreed with me. If you want the truth and if you want answers to your questions then call me and we can set up a time to meet. My number is 530-400-2511.

    Next, I will respond to Robin (Souza?) who said,

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.” She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face. 6/4/08 11:32 AM

    Thank you for an opportunity to address this question Robin. I believe you have raised this opinion before on the blog.

    Raising community concerns as opposed to ignoring them is not easy, but raising concerns is always needed even when topics may be difficult. It’s how we grow as individuals and as organizations or as a city.

    And in this capacity I mean “grow” as in “improve.” We learned a lot from the HRC experience; however, when over 200 people attend a forum and raise the same concerns then it is irresponsible to not listen, take action and make recommendations. If you consider this extreme, due to what you read in the paper then that is your individual decision.

    However, I will always speak up when I see mistreatment of those with disabilities, children, the elderly, and those who may not have a voice in government or anyone for that matter.

    If you consider that baggage that is your decision; however, that does not make me a bad person. And I will gladly hand you back your label.

    Then, chester said…
    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional. Of course, this is just an opinion.” 6/4/08 12:00 PM

    Yes, the police department is well managed at this time and very professional. I think Chief Landy Black is doing a good job.

    Sorry Chester, you do have a right to your opinion, but I am not going away.

    I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.”

    And my last response is for Kembel Pope of the Davis Voice. The Davis Voice has been an inaccurate voice and I need to set the record straight.

    I heard from someone who reads Kembel’s blog that he said that I am being financed by developers because The Vanguard (my husband’s blog) has advertising on his web page from the wife of a developer.

    I’m sorry to ruin your “hit’ piece Kemble, but you are absolutely wrong. In the future, please call me at (530) 400-2511. I would be more than happy to speak with you so that you could have the correct information instead of giving those who read your webpage wrong information.

    My husband, David, runs a blog known as The People’s Vanguard of Davis. He sells ad space. Any business can buy ad space.

    I’m sure he will be happy to give you an ad packet with his rates and information.

    Tata Monfared, the owner of Senses Magazine bought ad space from David. She happens to be the wife of a developer. She bought ad space just as any other business can.

    The $14,000 that I loaned my campaign is a LOAN which you saw on my campaign expenditure. You know what a loan is. You know the kind that you make monthly payments on? The kind of loan that accrues interest?

    My husband and I were not and are not financed by developers as you say.

    In the future, I would encourage you to pick up the phone and call before you print untruths. It does not reflect well on you, your candidate, or your blog.

    Your candidate chose to accept developer money and that was his personal choice, but I chose not to.

    Please, get your facts straight. I joke with my husband that we should have invited you over for our lavish rice, beans, salad and bread.

    We sacrificed a lot financially, because the future of our city means so much to us and I chose to run for office.

    Just as my husband does when he makes an error and corrects himself I hope that you, Kembel, will take the high road and correct your untruths on your website.

    I don’t know that you will, but it would be the honorable thing to do.

  164. Cecilia Escamilla-Greenwald

    Setting the Record Straight Once and for All

    After resting for a few hours this morning and getting caught up on household and life chores – that have been put on the back burner while running for office – I have decided to answer some questions and statements that appear on this blog.

    My first response is to Anonymous at 10:33 AM. You are a person who does not wish to use your name, but at least call me at 400-2511 or email me so that we can set up a time to meet so you can get your facts correct.

    You said that you were, “disappointed to see Cecilia shaking hands with Chief Handy (ret from UCDPD) infront of Davis PD. This implied she was supported by Davis PD. In fact she was not. THen she was on a flier, along with others that was put out by a private company that has chosen law enforcement symbols as a logo. Again deceptive.”

    No, it is not deceptive. I have known Chief Handy for many years and worked with him and other law enforcement officials when I chaired the HRC. I have tremendous respect for him.

    He has meetings at the Davis Police Department since he is a member of the Police Advisory Committee. This is an organization along with the Ombudsman, which was put in place to address concerns and make suggestions. This came about as a result of the concerns aired to the HRC that they brought forth to the city council.

    Asking questions and raising concerns is the cornerstone of democracy.

    I ask you to please look at your own preconceived notions that you have about me simply from what you may have read in the Enterprise or heard from someone who disagreed with me. If you want the truth and if you want answers to your questions then call me and we can set up a time to meet. My number is 530-400-2511.

    Next, I will respond to Robin (Souza?) who said,

    “Cecelia could not overcome her baggage from the Human Relations Commission debacle.” She can never win an election in Davis. Her extremism on the HRC stained her forever. It’s time for the anti-growth group to come up with a new face. 6/4/08 11:32 AM

    Thank you for an opportunity to address this question Robin. I believe you have raised this opinion before on the blog.

    Raising community concerns as opposed to ignoring them is not easy, but raising concerns is always needed even when topics may be difficult. It’s how we grow as individuals and as organizations or as a city.

    And in this capacity I mean “grow” as in “improve.” We learned a lot from the HRC experience; however, when over 200 people attend a forum and raise the same concerns then it is irresponsible to not listen, take action and make recommendations. If you consider this extreme, due to what you read in the paper then that is your individual decision.

    However, I will always speak up when I see mistreatment of those with disabilities, children, the elderly, and those who may not have a voice in government or anyone for that matter.

    If you consider that baggage that is your decision; however, that does not make me a bad person. And I will gladly hand you back your label.

    Then, chester said…
    With all due respect, I think this election proves that Cecelia’s political career in Davis is over. Whether justified or not, regardless how many photo opportunities she generates, the perception is that she does NOT support law enforcement and is affiliated with career activists with an anti-cop attitude and agenda. Davis citizens, including progressives, have a longer political memory than most voting communities. I don’t think Cecelia will be able to overcome this in her political lifetime. The only potential is for the cops to make some giant mistake(s) which she can leverage. I don’t see this happening because, even though under-staffed and under-funded, the Davis PD is well-managed and very professional. Of course, this is just an opinion.” 6/4/08 12:00 PM

    Yes, the police department is well managed at this time and very professional. I think Chief Landy Black is doing a good job.

    Sorry Chester, you do have a right to your opinion, but I am not going away.

    I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.”

    And my last response is for Kembel Pope of the Davis Voice. The Davis Voice has been an inaccurate voice and I need to set the record straight.

    I heard from someone who reads Kembel’s blog that he said that I am being financed by developers because The Vanguard (my husband’s blog) has advertising on his web page from the wife of a developer.

    I’m sorry to ruin your “hit’ piece Kemble, but you are absolutely wrong. In the future, please call me at (530) 400-2511. I would be more than happy to speak with you so that you could have the correct information instead of giving those who read your webpage wrong information.

    My husband, David, runs a blog known as The People’s Vanguard of Davis. He sells ad space. Any business can buy ad space.

    I’m sure he will be happy to give you an ad packet with his rates and information.

    Tata Monfared, the owner of Senses Magazine bought ad space from David. She happens to be the wife of a developer. She bought ad space just as any other business can.

    The $14,000 that I loaned my campaign is a LOAN which you saw on my campaign expenditure. You know what a loan is. You know the kind that you make monthly payments on? The kind of loan that accrues interest?

    My husband and I were not and are not financed by developers as you say.

    In the future, I would encourage you to pick up the phone and call before you print untruths. It does not reflect well on you, your candidate, or your blog.

    Your candidate chose to accept developer money and that was his personal choice, but I chose not to.

    Please, get your facts straight. I joke with my husband that we should have invited you over for our lavish rice, beans, salad and bread.

    We sacrificed a lot financially, because the future of our city means so much to us and I chose to run for office.

    Just as my husband does when he makes an error and corrects himself I hope that you, Kembel, will take the high road and correct your untruths on your website.

    I don’t know that you will, but it would be the honorable thing to do.

  165. davisite

    STRIKE the my analysis of Harriet’s report above as it would guarantee a NO vote majority. Some sort of choice vote ranking of the yes votes would be needed to best represent the voter’s choice on Measure J. In the end, we may have to gather signatures AGAIN and run another Measure J initiative.

  166. davisite

    STRIKE the my analysis of Harriet’s report above as it would guarantee a NO vote majority. Some sort of choice vote ranking of the yes votes would be needed to best represent the voter’s choice on Measure J. In the end, we may have to gather signatures AGAIN and run another Measure J initiative.

  167. davisite

    STRIKE the my analysis of Harriet’s report above as it would guarantee a NO vote majority. Some sort of choice vote ranking of the yes votes would be needed to best represent the voter’s choice on Measure J. In the end, we may have to gather signatures AGAIN and run another Measure J initiative.

  168. davisite

    STRIKE the my analysis of Harriet’s report above as it would guarantee a NO vote majority. Some sort of choice vote ranking of the yes votes would be needed to best represent the voter’s choice on Measure J. In the end, we may have to gather signatures AGAIN and run another Measure J initiative.

  169. Belt Tightening is Acomin

    “I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.””

    Cecelia, remember Lamar did not win the first time around, but did the second time around. I am sure he learned lessons from his first failed campaign, and improved the second go ’round. You can repeat his success, if you take a hard look at what possibly went wrong, make some substantive changes, and try again. Mariko looked as if she was down and out, but she rallied at the eleventh hour. Politics is a fickle game, with many imponderables. My hope is both you and Rob and even Sidney will come back as even better candidates in the next election. Often a skirmish or battle is won or lost, but it is the war that must be won.

    Saylor and Souza have been on the wrong track, as were the School Boards from the past. Look at the mess we got in our school district because citizens were too trusting of school governance. I don’t want the same thing to happen with our city. We have unsustainable expenses, with a city budget that was created by leaving out many unmet needs – a budget that is an absolute misrepresentation of the facts. Souza and Saylor now will have to face the music of approving that budget, and they may not like the dissonant notes that are about to be played…

  170. Belt Tightening is Acomin

    “I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.””

    Cecelia, remember Lamar did not win the first time around, but did the second time around. I am sure he learned lessons from his first failed campaign, and improved the second go ’round. You can repeat his success, if you take a hard look at what possibly went wrong, make some substantive changes, and try again. Mariko looked as if she was down and out, but she rallied at the eleventh hour. Politics is a fickle game, with many imponderables. My hope is both you and Rob and even Sidney will come back as even better candidates in the next election. Often a skirmish or battle is won or lost, but it is the war that must be won.

    Saylor and Souza have been on the wrong track, as were the School Boards from the past. Look at the mess we got in our school district because citizens were too trusting of school governance. I don’t want the same thing to happen with our city. We have unsustainable expenses, with a city budget that was created by leaving out many unmet needs – a budget that is an absolute misrepresentation of the facts. Souza and Saylor now will have to face the music of approving that budget, and they may not like the dissonant notes that are about to be played…

  171. Belt Tightening is Acomin

    “I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.””

    Cecelia, remember Lamar did not win the first time around, but did the second time around. I am sure he learned lessons from his first failed campaign, and improved the second go ’round. You can repeat his success, if you take a hard look at what possibly went wrong, make some substantive changes, and try again. Mariko looked as if she was down and out, but she rallied at the eleventh hour. Politics is a fickle game, with many imponderables. My hope is both you and Rob and even Sidney will come back as even better candidates in the next election. Often a skirmish or battle is won or lost, but it is the war that must be won.

    Saylor and Souza have been on the wrong track, as were the School Boards from the past. Look at the mess we got in our school district because citizens were too trusting of school governance. I don’t want the same thing to happen with our city. We have unsustainable expenses, with a city budget that was created by leaving out many unmet needs – a budget that is an absolute misrepresentation of the facts. Souza and Saylor now will have to face the music of approving that budget, and they may not like the dissonant notes that are about to be played…

  172. Belt Tightening is Acomin

    “I respectfully disagree with you and “I will do it again [run] in 2010.””

    Cecelia, remember Lamar did not win the first time around, but did the second time around. I am sure he learned lessons from his first failed campaign, and improved the second go ’round. You can repeat his success, if you take a hard look at what possibly went wrong, make some substantive changes, and try again. Mariko looked as if she was down and out, but she rallied at the eleventh hour. Politics is a fickle game, with many imponderables. My hope is both you and Rob and even Sidney will come back as even better candidates in the next election. Often a skirmish or battle is won or lost, but it is the war that must be won.

    Saylor and Souza have been on the wrong track, as were the School Boards from the past. Look at the mess we got in our school district because citizens were too trusting of school governance. I don’t want the same thing to happen with our city. We have unsustainable expenses, with a city budget that was created by leaving out many unmet needs – a budget that is an absolute misrepresentation of the facts. Souza and Saylor now will have to face the music of approving that budget, and they may not like the dissonant notes that are about to be played…

  173. Oscar

    To add to the commenter above, I’d like to point out that this is widespread.

    Lamar ran unsuccessfully in 2004 only to win in 2006.

    Sue ran unsuccessfully in 1996 and 1998 only to finally win in 2000. All the while she was meeting more people, getting more involved, and improving her stature in the community.

    Stephen Souza ran unsuccessfully in 1988 and 1996 elections before finally winning in 2004. Again, it is all about what you do after you lose the first time or two that makes the difference in whether you win the next time.

  174. Oscar

    To add to the commenter above, I’d like to point out that this is widespread.

    Lamar ran unsuccessfully in 2004 only to win in 2006.

    Sue ran unsuccessfully in 1996 and 1998 only to finally win in 2000. All the while she was meeting more people, getting more involved, and improving her stature in the community.

    Stephen Souza ran unsuccessfully in 1988 and 1996 elections before finally winning in 2004. Again, it is all about what you do after you lose the first time or two that makes the difference in whether you win the next time.

  175. Oscar

    To add to the commenter above, I’d like to point out that this is widespread.

    Lamar ran unsuccessfully in 2004 only to win in 2006.

    Sue ran unsuccessfully in 1996 and 1998 only to finally win in 2000. All the while she was meeting more people, getting more involved, and improving her stature in the community.

    Stephen Souza ran unsuccessfully in 1988 and 1996 elections before finally winning in 2004. Again, it is all about what you do after you lose the first time or two that makes the difference in whether you win the next time.

  176. Oscar

    To add to the commenter above, I’d like to point out that this is widespread.

    Lamar ran unsuccessfully in 2004 only to win in 2006.

    Sue ran unsuccessfully in 1996 and 1998 only to finally win in 2000. All the while she was meeting more people, getting more involved, and improving her stature in the community.

    Stephen Souza ran unsuccessfully in 1988 and 1996 elections before finally winning in 2004. Again, it is all about what you do after you lose the first time or two that makes the difference in whether you win the next time.

  177. Anonymous

    A Question for Cecilia,Mariko and DPD,
    Was the person who originated the C.A.R.O.L.E. issue a peron by the name of Bill? What was is your involvement?

  178. Anonymous

    A Question for Cecilia,Mariko and DPD,
    Was the person who originated the C.A.R.O.L.E. issue a peron by the name of Bill? What was is your involvement?

  179. Anonymous

    A Question for Cecilia,Mariko and DPD,
    Was the person who originated the C.A.R.O.L.E. issue a peron by the name of Bill? What was is your involvement?

  180. Anonymous

    A Question for Cecilia,Mariko and DPD,
    Was the person who originated the C.A.R.O.L.E. issue a peron by the name of Bill? What was is your involvement?

  181. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Your reply was good; “It meant to suggest she,(Cecilia), is not anti law enforcement”. Where does Cecilia stand regarding Law Enforcement in Davis?
    I have heard Cecilia’s comments in the past when she was on the HRC. Has she changed her views? It is difficult,at best,to believe that the photo-op was not an attempt to convince people she has law enforcements support. It appears that Cecilia sways with the breeze on this topic and it caught up with her.

  182. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Your reply was good; “It meant to suggest she,(Cecilia), is not anti law enforcement”. Where does Cecilia stand regarding Law Enforcement in Davis?
    I have heard Cecilia’s comments in the past when she was on the HRC. Has she changed her views? It is difficult,at best,to believe that the photo-op was not an attempt to convince people she has law enforcements support. It appears that Cecilia sways with the breeze on this topic and it caught up with her.

  183. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Your reply was good; “It meant to suggest she,(Cecilia), is not anti law enforcement”. Where does Cecilia stand regarding Law Enforcement in Davis?
    I have heard Cecilia’s comments in the past when she was on the HRC. Has she changed her views? It is difficult,at best,to believe that the photo-op was not an attempt to convince people she has law enforcements support. It appears that Cecilia sways with the breeze on this topic and it caught up with her.

  184. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Your reply was good; “It meant to suggest she,(Cecilia), is not anti law enforcement”. Where does Cecilia stand regarding Law Enforcement in Davis?
    I have heard Cecilia’s comments in the past when she was on the HRC. Has she changed her views? It is difficult,at best,to believe that the photo-op was not an attempt to convince people she has law enforcements support. It appears that Cecilia sways with the breeze on this topic and it caught up with her.

  185. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Speaking of C.A.R.O.L.E. what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan? It seems you were more that a little biased. You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.
    Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.

  186. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Speaking of C.A.R.O.L.E. what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan? It seems you were more that a little biased. You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.
    Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.

  187. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Speaking of C.A.R.O.L.E. what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan? It seems you were more that a little biased. You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.
    Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.

  188. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Speaking of C.A.R.O.L.E. what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan? It seems you were more that a little biased. You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.
    Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.

  189. supporters

    DPD and Cecelia,

    There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.

    Don’t buy it. Anyone with a brain knows that doctors, teachers, judges, and even law enforcement should have checks and balances.

    We now have an ombudsman thanks to you and the HRC Cecelia. Hold your head high. Those that continue to try to make it a negative are either the Pope guy you mentioned that is spreading lies, or one of your opponents.

    Thank you for running. My husband and I voted for you and we will vote for you again when you run.

  190. supporters

    DPD and Cecelia,

    There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.

    Don’t buy it. Anyone with a brain knows that doctors, teachers, judges, and even law enforcement should have checks and balances.

    We now have an ombudsman thanks to you and the HRC Cecelia. Hold your head high. Those that continue to try to make it a negative are either the Pope guy you mentioned that is spreading lies, or one of your opponents.

    Thank you for running. My husband and I voted for you and we will vote for you again when you run.

  191. supporters

    DPD and Cecelia,

    There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.

    Don’t buy it. Anyone with a brain knows that doctors, teachers, judges, and even law enforcement should have checks and balances.

    We now have an ombudsman thanks to you and the HRC Cecelia. Hold your head high. Those that continue to try to make it a negative are either the Pope guy you mentioned that is spreading lies, or one of your opponents.

    Thank you for running. My husband and I voted for you and we will vote for you again when you run.

  192. supporters

    DPD and Cecelia,

    There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.

    Don’t buy it. Anyone with a brain knows that doctors, teachers, judges, and even law enforcement should have checks and balances.

    We now have an ombudsman thanks to you and the HRC Cecelia. Hold your head high. Those that continue to try to make it a negative are either the Pope guy you mentioned that is spreading lies, or one of your opponents.

    Thank you for running. My husband and I voted for you and we will vote for you again when you run.

  193. Confused

    There are a lot of things I don’t get here.

    It seems to me that Cecilia was out in front on a key issue of police accountability, how does this translate to her moving with the wind?

    Other than calling for more oversight, what did she do that could constitute being anti-law enforcement? Is it anti-doctor to support a medical board? Is it anti-lawyer to support the Bar? Is it anti-contractor to have OSHA? I don’t get it.

    She made fun of an officer receiving officer of the year award? Or was she concerned that the officer who received officer of the year was the same officer who was involved in a high profile case complaining about police conduct–a case that is still pending in federal court today? Is questioning the appropriateness of that choice making fun of?

  194. Confused

    There are a lot of things I don’t get here.

    It seems to me that Cecilia was out in front on a key issue of police accountability, how does this translate to her moving with the wind?

    Other than calling for more oversight, what did she do that could constitute being anti-law enforcement? Is it anti-doctor to support a medical board? Is it anti-lawyer to support the Bar? Is it anti-contractor to have OSHA? I don’t get it.

    She made fun of an officer receiving officer of the year award? Or was she concerned that the officer who received officer of the year was the same officer who was involved in a high profile case complaining about police conduct–a case that is still pending in federal court today? Is questioning the appropriateness of that choice making fun of?

  195. Confused

    There are a lot of things I don’t get here.

    It seems to me that Cecilia was out in front on a key issue of police accountability, how does this translate to her moving with the wind?

    Other than calling for more oversight, what did she do that could constitute being anti-law enforcement? Is it anti-doctor to support a medical board? Is it anti-lawyer to support the Bar? Is it anti-contractor to have OSHA? I don’t get it.

    She made fun of an officer receiving officer of the year award? Or was she concerned that the officer who received officer of the year was the same officer who was involved in a high profile case complaining about police conduct–a case that is still pending in federal court today? Is questioning the appropriateness of that choice making fun of?

  196. Confused

    There are a lot of things I don’t get here.

    It seems to me that Cecilia was out in front on a key issue of police accountability, how does this translate to her moving with the wind?

    Other than calling for more oversight, what did she do that could constitute being anti-law enforcement? Is it anti-doctor to support a medical board? Is it anti-lawyer to support the Bar? Is it anti-contractor to have OSHA? I don’t get it.

    She made fun of an officer receiving officer of the year award? Or was she concerned that the officer who received officer of the year was the same officer who was involved in a high profile case complaining about police conduct–a case that is still pending in federal court today? Is questioning the appropriateness of that choice making fun of?

  197. Doug Paul Davis

    “what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan?”

    I have not read them lately to know exactly what I said, but I have not really changed my mind about the case. It will go to Federal Court as someone else said above and we will have something on record.

    “It seems you were more that a little biased.”

    I have have heard the tapes and seen the damage on both cars.

    “You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.”

    I think it was an inappropriate choice given the questions surrounding that case.

    “Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.”

    I have never tried to run from my past. I have been forthright about this case and my views of the Davis police. You do not need to go to the Wiki to find them, you can find them in the unedited archives on this site.

    Please check out the Police Oversight series I did in the beginning stages of this blog, it was done based on a lot of research and for the most part, I still believe most of what I wrote.

    That however, does not make me anti-police. As I said in today’s story, accountability means not only holding officers accountable for their actions, but having processes in place to be able to give them exoneration when they acted appropriately. Process are key to that. I think we’ve come a long way here in Davis in two and a half years and I think I, along with others have learned much about better approaches to these sorts of problems.

  198. Doug Paul Davis

    “what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan?”

    I have not read them lately to know exactly what I said, but I have not really changed my mind about the case. It will go to Federal Court as someone else said above and we will have something on record.

    “It seems you were more that a little biased.”

    I have have heard the tapes and seen the damage on both cars.

    “You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.”

    I think it was an inappropriate choice given the questions surrounding that case.

    “Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.”

    I have never tried to run from my past. I have been forthright about this case and my views of the Davis police. You do not need to go to the Wiki to find them, you can find them in the unedited archives on this site.

    Please check out the Police Oversight series I did in the beginning stages of this blog, it was done based on a lot of research and for the most part, I still believe most of what I wrote.

    That however, does not make me anti-police. As I said in today’s story, accountability means not only holding officers accountable for their actions, but having processes in place to be able to give them exoneration when they acted appropriately. Process are key to that. I think we’ve come a long way here in Davis in two and a half years and I think I, along with others have learned much about better approaches to these sorts of problems.

  199. Doug Paul Davis

    “what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan?”

    I have not read them lately to know exactly what I said, but I have not really changed my mind about the case. It will go to Federal Court as someone else said above and we will have something on record.

    “It seems you were more that a little biased.”

    I have have heard the tapes and seen the damage on both cars.

    “You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.”

    I think it was an inappropriate choice given the questions surrounding that case.

    “Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.”

    I have never tried to run from my past. I have been forthright about this case and my views of the Davis police. You do not need to go to the Wiki to find them, you can find them in the unedited archives on this site.

    Please check out the Police Oversight series I did in the beginning stages of this blog, it was done based on a lot of research and for the most part, I still believe most of what I wrote.

    That however, does not make me anti-police. As I said in today’s story, accountability means not only holding officers accountable for their actions, but having processes in place to be able to give them exoneration when they acted appropriately. Process are key to that. I think we’ve come a long way here in Davis in two and a half years and I think I, along with others have learned much about better approaches to these sorts of problems.

  200. Doug Paul Davis

    “what about your comments on the Davis Wiki regarding Officer Ly and Halema Buzayan?”

    I have not read them lately to know exactly what I said, but I have not really changed my mind about the case. It will go to Federal Court as someone else said above and we will have something on record.

    “It seems you were more that a little biased.”

    I have have heard the tapes and seen the damage on both cars.

    “You even made fun of the fact that Ofcr. Ly was given Officer of the Year award.”

    I think it was an inappropriate choice given the questions surrounding that case.

    “Your past is right behind you. Always remember that when you try to fool people.”

    I have never tried to run from my past. I have been forthright about this case and my views of the Davis police. You do not need to go to the Wiki to find them, you can find them in the unedited archives on this site.

    Please check out the Police Oversight series I did in the beginning stages of this blog, it was done based on a lot of research and for the most part, I still believe most of what I wrote.

    That however, does not make me anti-police. As I said in today’s story, accountability means not only holding officers accountable for their actions, but having processes in place to be able to give them exoneration when they acted appropriately. Process are key to that. I think we’ve come a long way here in Davis in two and a half years and I think I, along with others have learned much about better approaches to these sorts of problems.

  201. Robin S.

    C.A.R.O.L.E. appeared when Mrs. Greenwald was attacking the Davis Police Department. C.A.R.O.L.E. disappeared when this website came about under the guise of Doug Paul Davis who was later revealed to be Mr. Greenwald. Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?

  202. Robin S.

    C.A.R.O.L.E. appeared when Mrs. Greenwald was attacking the Davis Police Department. C.A.R.O.L.E. disappeared when this website came about under the guise of Doug Paul Davis who was later revealed to be Mr. Greenwald. Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?

  203. Robin S.

    C.A.R.O.L.E. appeared when Mrs. Greenwald was attacking the Davis Police Department. C.A.R.O.L.E. disappeared when this website came about under the guise of Doug Paul Davis who was later revealed to be Mr. Greenwald. Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?

  204. Robin S.

    C.A.R.O.L.E. appeared when Mrs. Greenwald was attacking the Davis Police Department. C.A.R.O.L.E. disappeared when this website came about under the guise of Doug Paul Davis who was later revealed to be Mr. Greenwald. Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?

  205. chester

    “There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.”

    Why of course, but like anything it matters how the person or persons “bring(s) up questioning” and whether the accusation lacks merit and is indicative of ulterior motives.

    With Cecilia, it is very difficult to believe that she has an overall positive view of the police and law enforcement in general.

    She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.

    Other than Cecilia’s higher political aspirations, I see the same stripes on that tiger. We should prefer having a tiger or two on the city council, just not any that have demonstrated a worldview of cops being the bad guy, and a penchant for troublesome activism related to this worldview.

  206. chester

    “There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.”

    Why of course, but like anything it matters how the person or persons “bring(s) up questioning” and whether the accusation lacks merit and is indicative of ulterior motives.

    With Cecilia, it is very difficult to believe that she has an overall positive view of the police and law enforcement in general.

    She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.

    Other than Cecilia’s higher political aspirations, I see the same stripes on that tiger. We should prefer having a tiger or two on the city council, just not any that have demonstrated a worldview of cops being the bad guy, and a penchant for troublesome activism related to this worldview.

  207. chester

    “There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.”

    Why of course, but like anything it matters how the person or persons “bring(s) up questioning” and whether the accusation lacks merit and is indicative of ulterior motives.

    With Cecilia, it is very difficult to believe that she has an overall positive view of the police and law enforcement in general.

    She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.

    Other than Cecilia’s higher political aspirations, I see the same stripes on that tiger. We should prefer having a tiger or two on the city council, just not any that have demonstrated a worldview of cops being the bad guy, and a penchant for troublesome activism related to this worldview.

  208. chester

    “There are always going to be people who try to bring up questioning police conduct as being anti-law enforcement.”

    Why of course, but like anything it matters how the person or persons “bring(s) up questioning” and whether the accusation lacks merit and is indicative of ulterior motives.

    With Cecilia, it is very difficult to believe that she has an overall positive view of the police and law enforcement in general.

    She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.

    Other than Cecilia’s higher political aspirations, I see the same stripes on that tiger. We should prefer having a tiger or two on the city council, just not any that have demonstrated a worldview of cops being the bad guy, and a penchant for troublesome activism related to this worldview.

  209. Doug Paul Davis

    Robin:

    The Vanguard was started on July 30, 2006 in response to the HRC being shut down at no cost to me whatsoever.

    Chester:

    Can you cite a particular statement that Cecilia made that validates your view–realizing that Cecilia had just come off close relations with the police department dealing with hate crimes and had always had good relations with them until suddenly Chief Hyde felt under fire and started jamming her.

    We have a number of friends who are police officers in this community and around the region. Neither Cecilia nor I is against law enforcement. However, we are also in favor of having checks and balances on government to avoid problems when they arise. The situation became heated two years ago. It was unfortunate. Steps were taken to alleviate those problems and should continue to make things better.

  210. Doug Paul Davis

    Robin:

    The Vanguard was started on July 30, 2006 in response to the HRC being shut down at no cost to me whatsoever.

    Chester:

    Can you cite a particular statement that Cecilia made that validates your view–realizing that Cecilia had just come off close relations with the police department dealing with hate crimes and had always had good relations with them until suddenly Chief Hyde felt under fire and started jamming her.

    We have a number of friends who are police officers in this community and around the region. Neither Cecilia nor I is against law enforcement. However, we are also in favor of having checks and balances on government to avoid problems when they arise. The situation became heated two years ago. It was unfortunate. Steps were taken to alleviate those problems and should continue to make things better.

  211. Doug Paul Davis

    Robin:

    The Vanguard was started on July 30, 2006 in response to the HRC being shut down at no cost to me whatsoever.

    Chester:

    Can you cite a particular statement that Cecilia made that validates your view–realizing that Cecilia had just come off close relations with the police department dealing with hate crimes and had always had good relations with them until suddenly Chief Hyde felt under fire and started jamming her.

    We have a number of friends who are police officers in this community and around the region. Neither Cecilia nor I is against law enforcement. However, we are also in favor of having checks and balances on government to avoid problems when they arise. The situation became heated two years ago. It was unfortunate. Steps were taken to alleviate those problems and should continue to make things better.

  212. Doug Paul Davis

    Robin:

    The Vanguard was started on July 30, 2006 in response to the HRC being shut down at no cost to me whatsoever.

    Chester:

    Can you cite a particular statement that Cecilia made that validates your view–realizing that Cecilia had just come off close relations with the police department dealing with hate crimes and had always had good relations with them until suddenly Chief Hyde felt under fire and started jamming her.

    We have a number of friends who are police officers in this community and around the region. Neither Cecilia nor I is against law enforcement. However, we are also in favor of having checks and balances on government to avoid problems when they arise. The situation became heated two years ago. It was unfortunate. Steps were taken to alleviate those problems and should continue to make things better.

  213. S.S.

    “Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?”

    No doubt.

  214. S.S.

    “Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?”

    No doubt.

  215. S.S.

    “Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?”

    No doubt.

  216. S.S.

    “Is there any doubt that C.A.R.O.L.E. was Doug Paul Davis who then was David Greenwald who earlier called himself C.A.R.O.L.E.?”

    No doubt.

  217. Anonymous

    Kemble Pope a.k.a Robin, a.k.a C.A.R.O.L.E before that and then he was Vergis’ campaign guy and then Souza’s campaign guy.

    Hmmmm….follow the $$$ it gets very interesting.

  218. Anonymous

    Kemble Pope a.k.a Robin, a.k.a C.A.R.O.L.E before that and then he was Vergis’ campaign guy and then Souza’s campaign guy.

    Hmmmm….follow the $$$ it gets very interesting.

  219. Anonymous

    Kemble Pope a.k.a Robin, a.k.a C.A.R.O.L.E before that and then he was Vergis’ campaign guy and then Souza’s campaign guy.

    Hmmmm….follow the $$$ it gets very interesting.

  220. Anonymous

    Kemble Pope a.k.a Robin, a.k.a C.A.R.O.L.E before that and then he was Vergis’ campaign guy and then Souza’s campaign guy.

    Hmmmm….follow the $$$ it gets very interesting.

  221. conspiracy theorist

    A conspiracy theory or urban legend that I read said that Kemble Pope is Robin’s 1/2 brother. It gets a little messy, because that means that Robin is actually CAROLE’s 1/2 sister AND they are all related to NAROLE!!!

    Another urban legend that I have heard mentioned that Robin is one of the people that invented CAROLE to throw off the public??? It gets very interesting.

    I wonder if she did this to throw people off to get her husband or others in to office? She planned well in advance. Very clever.

    Maybe she worked with the former chief of police to invent CAROLE to make people feel sorry for him and his officers?

    Hmmm…maybe he did this and then he planned his exit to a better job with higher pay? After all he was only showing up for work part-time and getting a full-time salary while working on his PhD.

    Wow! Who’s writing the book on this one? This will be a top seller in Davis.

  222. conspiracy theorist

    A conspiracy theory or urban legend that I read said that Kemble Pope is Robin’s 1/2 brother. It gets a little messy, because that means that Robin is actually CAROLE’s 1/2 sister AND they are all related to NAROLE!!!

    Another urban legend that I have heard mentioned that Robin is one of the people that invented CAROLE to throw off the public??? It gets very interesting.

    I wonder if she did this to throw people off to get her husband or others in to office? She planned well in advance. Very clever.

    Maybe she worked with the former chief of police to invent CAROLE to make people feel sorry for him and his officers?

    Hmmm…maybe he did this and then he planned his exit to a better job with higher pay? After all he was only showing up for work part-time and getting a full-time salary while working on his PhD.

    Wow! Who’s writing the book on this one? This will be a top seller in Davis.

  223. conspiracy theorist

    A conspiracy theory or urban legend that I read said that Kemble Pope is Robin’s 1/2 brother. It gets a little messy, because that means that Robin is actually CAROLE’s 1/2 sister AND they are all related to NAROLE!!!

    Another urban legend that I have heard mentioned that Robin is one of the people that invented CAROLE to throw off the public??? It gets very interesting.

    I wonder if she did this to throw people off to get her husband or others in to office? She planned well in advance. Very clever.

    Maybe she worked with the former chief of police to invent CAROLE to make people feel sorry for him and his officers?

    Hmmm…maybe he did this and then he planned his exit to a better job with higher pay? After all he was only showing up for work part-time and getting a full-time salary while working on his PhD.

    Wow! Who’s writing the book on this one? This will be a top seller in Davis.

  224. conspiracy theorist

    A conspiracy theory or urban legend that I read said that Kemble Pope is Robin’s 1/2 brother. It gets a little messy, because that means that Robin is actually CAROLE’s 1/2 sister AND they are all related to NAROLE!!!

    Another urban legend that I have heard mentioned that Robin is one of the people that invented CAROLE to throw off the public??? It gets very interesting.

    I wonder if she did this to throw people off to get her husband or others in to office? She planned well in advance. Very clever.

    Maybe she worked with the former chief of police to invent CAROLE to make people feel sorry for him and his officers?

    Hmmm…maybe he did this and then he planned his exit to a better job with higher pay? After all he was only showing up for work part-time and getting a full-time salary while working on his PhD.

    Wow! Who’s writing the book on this one? This will be a top seller in Davis.

  225. Anonymous

    DPD,
    I guess I missed it. What was the the answer to the question? What was/is your involvement with C.A.R.O.L.E.?? What was Cecilia’s role in the same. What was Mariko’s involvement. Who funded it and put it on the web anonymously? Do you have any simple answers? Yes or No?? Perhaps you’ll just delete this??

  226. Anonymous

    DPD,
    I guess I missed it. What was the the answer to the question? What was/is your involvement with C.A.R.O.L.E.?? What was Cecilia’s role in the same. What was Mariko’s involvement. Who funded it and put it on the web anonymously? Do you have any simple answers? Yes or No?? Perhaps you’ll just delete this??

  227. Anonymous

    DPD,
    I guess I missed it. What was the the answer to the question? What was/is your involvement with C.A.R.O.L.E.?? What was Cecilia’s role in the same. What was Mariko’s involvement. Who funded it and put it on the web anonymously? Do you have any simple answers? Yes or No?? Perhaps you’ll just delete this??

  228. Anonymous

    DPD,
    I guess I missed it. What was the the answer to the question? What was/is your involvement with C.A.R.O.L.E.?? What was Cecilia’s role in the same. What was Mariko’s involvement. Who funded it and put it on the web anonymously? Do you have any simple answers? Yes or No?? Perhaps you’ll just delete this??

  229. Chester

    DPD,

    I am surprised that you would need to ask this question. I seem to remember several media quotes from Cecilia that indicated she thought there were problems with racism in the Davis PD.

    A simple web search hit on this from channel 7 ABC:

    Dan Noyes: “Is there an issue with racism on the police force?”

    Cecilia Greenwald, Davis Human Relations Commission: “It appears that way, it appears that way.”

    Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinion, and I do applaud and welcome responsible and objective oversight of the police, but this unfortunate bit of Cecilia’s history is a sticking point for me, and I think many other Davis voters too. It is a huge and profound leap to name any individual or organization racist. Either this was her honest view, or it was a play to advance a political career. In either case I think it was entirely wrong and damaging to the PD and city. Her stated positions during this unfortunate time offer plenty of justification for concern about her potential performance as a city council member.

    I’m betting we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

  230. Chester

    DPD,

    I am surprised that you would need to ask this question. I seem to remember several media quotes from Cecilia that indicated she thought there were problems with racism in the Davis PD.

    A simple web search hit on this from channel 7 ABC:

    Dan Noyes: “Is there an issue with racism on the police force?”

    Cecilia Greenwald, Davis Human Relations Commission: “It appears that way, it appears that way.”

    Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinion, and I do applaud and welcome responsible and objective oversight of the police, but this unfortunate bit of Cecilia’s history is a sticking point for me, and I think many other Davis voters too. It is a huge and profound leap to name any individual or organization racist. Either this was her honest view, or it was a play to advance a political career. In either case I think it was entirely wrong and damaging to the PD and city. Her stated positions during this unfortunate time offer plenty of justification for concern about her potential performance as a city council member.

    I’m betting we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

  231. Chester

    DPD,

    I am surprised that you would need to ask this question. I seem to remember several media quotes from Cecilia that indicated she thought there were problems with racism in the Davis PD.

    A simple web search hit on this from channel 7 ABC:

    Dan Noyes: “Is there an issue with racism on the police force?”

    Cecilia Greenwald, Davis Human Relations Commission: “It appears that way, it appears that way.”

    Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinion, and I do applaud and welcome responsible and objective oversight of the police, but this unfortunate bit of Cecilia’s history is a sticking point for me, and I think many other Davis voters too. It is a huge and profound leap to name any individual or organization racist. Either this was her honest view, or it was a play to advance a political career. In either case I think it was entirely wrong and damaging to the PD and city. Her stated positions during this unfortunate time offer plenty of justification for concern about her potential performance as a city council member.

    I’m betting we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

  232. Chester

    DPD,

    I am surprised that you would need to ask this question. I seem to remember several media quotes from Cecilia that indicated she thought there were problems with racism in the Davis PD.

    A simple web search hit on this from channel 7 ABC:

    Dan Noyes: “Is there an issue with racism on the police force?”

    Cecilia Greenwald, Davis Human Relations Commission: “It appears that way, it appears that way.”

    Obviously we are all entitled to our own opinion, and I do applaud and welcome responsible and objective oversight of the police, but this unfortunate bit of Cecilia’s history is a sticking point for me, and I think many other Davis voters too. It is a huge and profound leap to name any individual or organization racist. Either this was her honest view, or it was a play to advance a political career. In either case I think it was entirely wrong and damaging to the PD and city. Her stated positions during this unfortunate time offer plenty of justification for concern about her potential performance as a city council member.

    I’m betting we are going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

  233. Doug Paul Davis

    Chester:

    I had forgotten about that one actually. And at the time, it probably did appear that way. I see things different now both in terms of the Buzayan case and the police in general. I remain concerned about the issues and complaints about racial profiling and I am at a loss as to how to deal with them and even really to prove what people have alleged for years. Did you know Art Pimentel who is now going to be Mayor of Woodland refuses to go to Davis because he was racially profiled? I am not convinced it is racism so much as sloppy police work and poor training. I think things have improved under Chief Black. I have a good relationship with him and have developed better relations with some of the other key officers as well. Things are very different than they were two years ago.

    Anon 5:18:

    The extent of my activities in the Spring of 2006 were efforts to help bring justice to Halema Buzayan and her family. Those efforts are still ongoing. Efforts to help my wife, Cecilia, who was under fire on the HRC. I still believe unfairly though I think all sides could have handled things better. And finally, the bulk of my work was to help elect Lamar Heystek, Stan Forbes, and Pat Lenzi.

    When I failed to succeed in most of this, I founded the People’s Vanguard of Davis on July 30 of 2006.

  234. Doug Paul Davis

    Chester:

    I had forgotten about that one actually. And at the time, it probably did appear that way. I see things different now both in terms of the Buzayan case and the police in general. I remain concerned about the issues and complaints about racial profiling and I am at a loss as to how to deal with them and even really to prove what people have alleged for years. Did you know Art Pimentel who is now going to be Mayor of Woodland refuses to go to Davis because he was racially profiled? I am not convinced it is racism so much as sloppy police work and poor training. I think things have improved under Chief Black. I have a good relationship with him and have developed better relations with some of the other key officers as well. Things are very different than they were two years ago.

    Anon 5:18:

    The extent of my activities in the Spring of 2006 were efforts to help bring justice to Halema Buzayan and her family. Those efforts are still ongoing. Efforts to help my wife, Cecilia, who was under fire on the HRC. I still believe unfairly though I think all sides could have handled things better. And finally, the bulk of my work was to help elect Lamar Heystek, Stan Forbes, and Pat Lenzi.

    When I failed to succeed in most of this, I founded the People’s Vanguard of Davis on July 30 of 2006.

  235. Doug Paul Davis

    Chester:

    I had forgotten about that one actually. And at the time, it probably did appear that way. I see things different now both in terms of the Buzayan case and the police in general. I remain concerned about the issues and complaints about racial profiling and I am at a loss as to how to deal with them and even really to prove what people have alleged for years. Did you know Art Pimentel who is now going to be Mayor of Woodland refuses to go to Davis because he was racially profiled? I am not convinced it is racism so much as sloppy police work and poor training. I think things have improved under Chief Black. I have a good relationship with him and have developed better relations with some of the other key officers as well. Things are very different than they were two years ago.

    Anon 5:18:

    The extent of my activities in the Spring of 2006 were efforts to help bring justice to Halema Buzayan and her family. Those efforts are still ongoing. Efforts to help my wife, Cecilia, who was under fire on the HRC. I still believe unfairly though I think all sides could have handled things better. And finally, the bulk of my work was to help elect Lamar Heystek, Stan Forbes, and Pat Lenzi.

    When I failed to succeed in most of this, I founded the People’s Vanguard of Davis on July 30 of 2006.

  236. Doug Paul Davis

    Chester:

    I had forgotten about that one actually. And at the time, it probably did appear that way. I see things different now both in terms of the Buzayan case and the police in general. I remain concerned about the issues and complaints about racial profiling and I am at a loss as to how to deal with them and even really to prove what people have alleged for years. Did you know Art Pimentel who is now going to be Mayor of Woodland refuses to go to Davis because he was racially profiled? I am not convinced it is racism so much as sloppy police work and poor training. I think things have improved under Chief Black. I have a good relationship with him and have developed better relations with some of the other key officers as well. Things are very different than they were two years ago.

    Anon 5:18:

    The extent of my activities in the Spring of 2006 were efforts to help bring justice to Halema Buzayan and her family. Those efforts are still ongoing. Efforts to help my wife, Cecilia, who was under fire on the HRC. I still believe unfairly though I think all sides could have handled things better. And finally, the bulk of my work was to help elect Lamar Heystek, Stan Forbes, and Pat Lenzi.

    When I failed to succeed in most of this, I founded the People’s Vanguard of Davis on July 30 of 2006.

  237. davis lesbian

    Are you saying that absolutely no one in the Davis PD has any biased views?

    Are you saying that no one in the city of Davis is either racist or biased regarding sexual orientation, religion, lesbian/gay/bi-sexual or trans gendered individuals?

    I have a lesbian friend who told me about Colleen Turray, who was a Sgt. with Davis PD and is now in Roseville. She made homophobic comments.

    We need you on the council Cecilia. Run again.

    We all need to check ourselves, because we are humans. Thank you for having the courage to speak up Cecilia. Go girl!!

  238. davis lesbian

    Are you saying that absolutely no one in the Davis PD has any biased views?

    Are you saying that no one in the city of Davis is either racist or biased regarding sexual orientation, religion, lesbian/gay/bi-sexual or trans gendered individuals?

    I have a lesbian friend who told me about Colleen Turray, who was a Sgt. with Davis PD and is now in Roseville. She made homophobic comments.

    We need you on the council Cecilia. Run again.

    We all need to check ourselves, because we are humans. Thank you for having the courage to speak up Cecilia. Go girl!!

  239. davis lesbian

    Are you saying that absolutely no one in the Davis PD has any biased views?

    Are you saying that no one in the city of Davis is either racist or biased regarding sexual orientation, religion, lesbian/gay/bi-sexual or trans gendered individuals?

    I have a lesbian friend who told me about Colleen Turray, who was a Sgt. with Davis PD and is now in Roseville. She made homophobic comments.

    We need you on the council Cecilia. Run again.

    We all need to check ourselves, because we are humans. Thank you for having the courage to speak up Cecilia. Go girl!!

  240. davis lesbian

    Are you saying that absolutely no one in the Davis PD has any biased views?

    Are you saying that no one in the city of Davis is either racist or biased regarding sexual orientation, religion, lesbian/gay/bi-sexual or trans gendered individuals?

    I have a lesbian friend who told me about Colleen Turray, who was a Sgt. with Davis PD and is now in Roseville. She made homophobic comments.

    We need you on the council Cecilia. Run again.

    We all need to check ourselves, because we are humans. Thank you for having the courage to speak up Cecilia. Go girl!!

  241. Anonymous

    chester said… about Cecilia

    “She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.”

    Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.

  242. Anonymous

    chester said… about Cecilia

    “She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.”

    Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.

  243. Anonymous

    chester said… about Cecilia

    “She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.”

    Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.

  244. Anonymous

    chester said… about Cecilia

    “She and other activists on the HRC attempted to label the Davis PD as a racist organization. That is a terrible accusation, and it impacted police morale and really was a slap to the vast majority of the population that supports the cops and thinks they do an overall tremendous job.”

    Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.

  245. Don

    “Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.”

    There is no evidence that the Davis police are “racists.” If the proof was there, that cop would be named and fired.

  246. Don

    “Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.”

    There is no evidence that the Davis police are “racists.” If the proof was there, that cop would be named and fired.

  247. Don

    “Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.”

    There is no evidence that the Davis police are “racists.” If the proof was there, that cop would be named and fired.

  248. Don

    “Most of the officers of Davis PD are not racists, they cover for the ones who are and they all pay for it.”

    There is no evidence that the Davis police are “racists.” If the proof was there, that cop would be named and fired.

  249. all seeing in Davis

    FYI….

    Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth. The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild). And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.

    Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here.

    She did not lose because of carole, smerole or whatever she did on the HRC. She came off as a nice, informed, caring person. Just not about what the voters cared about.

    Sue was an incumbent that how she won.

  250. all seeing in Davis

    FYI….

    Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth. The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild). And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.

    Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here.

    She did not lose because of carole, smerole or whatever she did on the HRC. She came off as a nice, informed, caring person. Just not about what the voters cared about.

    Sue was an incumbent that how she won.

  251. all seeing in Davis

    FYI….

    Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth. The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild). And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.

    Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here.

    She did not lose because of carole, smerole or whatever she did on the HRC. She came off as a nice, informed, caring person. Just not about what the voters cared about.

    Sue was an incumbent that how she won.

  252. all seeing in Davis

    FYI….

    Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth. The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild). And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.

    Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here.

    She did not lose because of carole, smerole or whatever she did on the HRC. She came off as a nice, informed, caring person. Just not about what the voters cared about.

    Sue was an incumbent that how she won.

  253. Anonymous

    i don’t want to be a conspiracy theory person but….

    CAROLE has been mentioned a few times in this post and it has been ignored by DPD even though he has responded to other comments…

    why is that DPD?

  254. Anonymous

    i don’t want to be a conspiracy theory person but….

    CAROLE has been mentioned a few times in this post and it has been ignored by DPD even though he has responded to other comments…

    why is that DPD?

  255. Anonymous

    i don’t want to be a conspiracy theory person but….

    CAROLE has been mentioned a few times in this post and it has been ignored by DPD even though he has responded to other comments…

    why is that DPD?

  256. Anonymous

    i don’t want to be a conspiracy theory person but….

    CAROLE has been mentioned a few times in this post and it has been ignored by DPD even though he has responded to other comments…

    why is that DPD?

  257. no paper candidates in davis

    Seeing clearly in Davis –

    “Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth.”

    The truth is Cecelia lost because the turnout was so low. Davis is not anti growth, but Davis is slow growth and so is Cecilia. I attended a few of the forums and read the answers from all of the candidates in the Enterprise and I got the impression that she is slow growth not anti growth.

    “The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild).”

    I disagree. The truth is that is one of the reasons that the pro growth people are using to get more growth. They are saying that all of the grandparents want to live near their grandchildren. With their growth model I bet Davis becomes Sun City!

    “And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.”

    Cecilia’s labor roots are deep. The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed. She had a lot of labor support, just not the labor money and not the firefighter out of town money. Good morals that Cecilia! She did not ask labor to bank roll her like the firefighters bank rolled their three candidates. I talked with her outside of the food coop and was impressed that she was standing up to the firefighter smoke screen. Labor supported her, but only with the $100 max contribution they did not each give $100 they way they did with sss.

    “Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here”.

    Quite naive. The 26 year old with basically no Davis ties (I’m glad that someone finally admits it. Well actually someone said it best when they called her a “paper candidate.”) got within 2% points of the mayor because souza and saylor who were the top vote getters

    1) told their supporters to count her as their third vote; and
    2) they told the firefighters and police officers to endorse her (part of the package and I had it confirmed from friends in the dept.)
    3) The mayor (not mayor anymore thank goodness although I am not too happy with our next mayor) was making a big stink over the name issue and asking her to drop ½ of her last name. I think Dunning did a great job of making fun of the situation. It was quite silly. I heard from some friends who were tired of the mayor say that the mayor was telling people to only vote for her (bullet vote). Again, Dunning called her on this.

    So, when you take all of these things into account you see it’s not rocket science. It’s simply a lot of factors.

    Remember, the 26 year old was so loved that she was

    1) not endorsed by the Sac Bee;
    2) not endorsed by the UCD College Democrats, and
    3) not endorsed by the CA Aggie

    Many were not impressed with the paper candidate who was invented to take female votes from sue and cecilia. Her titles were all give to her within the last 8 to 9 months.

    No rocket science. It was simply a low turnout.

  258. no paper candidates in davis

    Seeing clearly in Davis –

    “Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth.”

    The truth is Cecelia lost because the turnout was so low. Davis is not anti growth, but Davis is slow growth and so is Cecilia. I attended a few of the forums and read the answers from all of the candidates in the Enterprise and I got the impression that she is slow growth not anti growth.

    “The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild).”

    I disagree. The truth is that is one of the reasons that the pro growth people are using to get more growth. They are saying that all of the grandparents want to live near their grandchildren. With their growth model I bet Davis becomes Sun City!

    “And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.”

    Cecilia’s labor roots are deep. The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed. She had a lot of labor support, just not the labor money and not the firefighter out of town money. Good morals that Cecilia! She did not ask labor to bank roll her like the firefighters bank rolled their three candidates. I talked with her outside of the food coop and was impressed that she was standing up to the firefighter smoke screen. Labor supported her, but only with the $100 max contribution they did not each give $100 they way they did with sss.

    “Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here”.

    Quite naive. The 26 year old with basically no Davis ties (I’m glad that someone finally admits it. Well actually someone said it best when they called her a “paper candidate.”) got within 2% points of the mayor because souza and saylor who were the top vote getters

    1) told their supporters to count her as their third vote; and
    2) they told the firefighters and police officers to endorse her (part of the package and I had it confirmed from friends in the dept.)
    3) The mayor (not mayor anymore thank goodness although I am not too happy with our next mayor) was making a big stink over the name issue and asking her to drop ½ of her last name. I think Dunning did a great job of making fun of the situation. It was quite silly. I heard from some friends who were tired of the mayor say that the mayor was telling people to only vote for her (bullet vote). Again, Dunning called her on this.

    So, when you take all of these things into account you see it’s not rocket science. It’s simply a lot of factors.

    Remember, the 26 year old was so loved that she was

    1) not endorsed by the Sac Bee;
    2) not endorsed by the UCD College Democrats, and
    3) not endorsed by the CA Aggie

    Many were not impressed with the paper candidate who was invented to take female votes from sue and cecilia. Her titles were all give to her within the last 8 to 9 months.

    No rocket science. It was simply a low turnout.

  259. no paper candidates in davis

    Seeing clearly in Davis –

    “Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth.”

    The truth is Cecelia lost because the turnout was so low. Davis is not anti growth, but Davis is slow growth and so is Cecilia. I attended a few of the forums and read the answers from all of the candidates in the Enterprise and I got the impression that she is slow growth not anti growth.

    “The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild).”

    I disagree. The truth is that is one of the reasons that the pro growth people are using to get more growth. They are saying that all of the grandparents want to live near their grandchildren. With their growth model I bet Davis becomes Sun City!

    “And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.”

    Cecilia’s labor roots are deep. The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed. She had a lot of labor support, just not the labor money and not the firefighter out of town money. Good morals that Cecilia! She did not ask labor to bank roll her like the firefighters bank rolled their three candidates. I talked with her outside of the food coop and was impressed that she was standing up to the firefighter smoke screen. Labor supported her, but only with the $100 max contribution they did not each give $100 they way they did with sss.

    “Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here”.

    Quite naive. The 26 year old with basically no Davis ties (I’m glad that someone finally admits it. Well actually someone said it best when they called her a “paper candidate.”) got within 2% points of the mayor because souza and saylor who were the top vote getters

    1) told their supporters to count her as their third vote; and
    2) they told the firefighters and police officers to endorse her (part of the package and I had it confirmed from friends in the dept.)
    3) The mayor (not mayor anymore thank goodness although I am not too happy with our next mayor) was making a big stink over the name issue and asking her to drop ½ of her last name. I think Dunning did a great job of making fun of the situation. It was quite silly. I heard from some friends who were tired of the mayor say that the mayor was telling people to only vote for her (bullet vote). Again, Dunning called her on this.

    So, when you take all of these things into account you see it’s not rocket science. It’s simply a lot of factors.

    Remember, the 26 year old was so loved that she was

    1) not endorsed by the Sac Bee;
    2) not endorsed by the UCD College Democrats, and
    3) not endorsed by the CA Aggie

    Many were not impressed with the paper candidate who was invented to take female votes from sue and cecilia. Her titles were all give to her within the last 8 to 9 months.

    No rocket science. It was simply a low turnout.

  260. no paper candidates in davis

    Seeing clearly in Davis –

    “Cecelia Lost because Davis has changed, its no longer anti growth.”

    The truth is Cecelia lost because the turnout was so low. Davis is not anti growth, but Davis is slow growth and so is Cecilia. I attended a few of the forums and read the answers from all of the candidates in the Enterprise and I got the impression that she is slow growth not anti growth.

    “The swing vote Boomers who voted against Covell village are now seeing there children have kids and realize that without some kind of growth (infill does not cut it) there kids can not live here (never keep a grandmother from her grandchild).”

    I disagree. The truth is that is one of the reasons that the pro growth people are using to get more growth. They are saying that all of the grandparents want to live near their grandchildren. With their growth model I bet Davis becomes Sun City!

    “And She burned labor with her anti fire fighter talk.”

    Cecilia’s labor roots are deep. The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed. She had a lot of labor support, just not the labor money and not the firefighter out of town money. Good morals that Cecilia! She did not ask labor to bank roll her like the firefighters bank rolled their three candidates. I talked with her outside of the food coop and was impressed that she was standing up to the firefighter smoke screen. Labor supported her, but only with the $100 max contribution they did not each give $100 they way they did with sss.

    “Dont believe me… How does a 26 year old with basically no Davis Ties, get with in two percentage points of the Mayor???? Her volunteers where those grandmothers and their kids that want to live here”.

    Quite naive. The 26 year old with basically no Davis ties (I’m glad that someone finally admits it. Well actually someone said it best when they called her a “paper candidate.”) got within 2% points of the mayor because souza and saylor who were the top vote getters

    1) told their supporters to count her as their third vote; and
    2) they told the firefighters and police officers to endorse her (part of the package and I had it confirmed from friends in the dept.)
    3) The mayor (not mayor anymore thank goodness although I am not too happy with our next mayor) was making a big stink over the name issue and asking her to drop ½ of her last name. I think Dunning did a great job of making fun of the situation. It was quite silly. I heard from some friends who were tired of the mayor say that the mayor was telling people to only vote for her (bullet vote). Again, Dunning called her on this.

    So, when you take all of these things into account you see it’s not rocket science. It’s simply a lot of factors.

    Remember, the 26 year old was so loved that she was

    1) not endorsed by the Sac Bee;
    2) not endorsed by the UCD College Democrats, and
    3) not endorsed by the CA Aggie

    Many were not impressed with the paper candidate who was invented to take female votes from sue and cecilia. Her titles were all give to her within the last 8 to 9 months.

    No rocket science. It was simply a low turnout.

  261. south davis voter

    DPD probably hasn’t responded because it’s the same person attempting to make an issue out of a non-issue.

    Hey DPD, maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town, or a sour grape who doesn’t have a life and nothing better to do.

    By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.

  262. south davis voter

    DPD probably hasn’t responded because it’s the same person attempting to make an issue out of a non-issue.

    Hey DPD, maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town, or a sour grape who doesn’t have a life and nothing better to do.

    By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.

  263. south davis voter

    DPD probably hasn’t responded because it’s the same person attempting to make an issue out of a non-issue.

    Hey DPD, maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town, or a sour grape who doesn’t have a life and nothing better to do.

    By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.

  264. south davis voter

    DPD probably hasn’t responded because it’s the same person attempting to make an issue out of a non-issue.

    Hey DPD, maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town, or a sour grape who doesn’t have a life and nothing better to do.

    By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.

  265. Anonymous

    DPD, Do you know anything about the supervisor’s race? I heard that they are still counting ballots. Can you find out and let us know?

    I wonder if this can change who is the new supervisor. Does Provenza have it sealed? Can it change?

    Thanks.

  266. Anonymous

    DPD, Do you know anything about the supervisor’s race? I heard that they are still counting ballots. Can you find out and let us know?

    I wonder if this can change who is the new supervisor. Does Provenza have it sealed? Can it change?

    Thanks.

  267. Anonymous

    DPD, Do you know anything about the supervisor’s race? I heard that they are still counting ballots. Can you find out and let us know?

    I wonder if this can change who is the new supervisor. Does Provenza have it sealed? Can it change?

    Thanks.

  268. Anonymous

    DPD, Do you know anything about the supervisor’s race? I heard that they are still counting ballots. Can you find out and let us know?

    I wonder if this can change who is the new supervisor. Does Provenza have it sealed? Can it change?

    Thanks.

  269. ferrera supporter

    They are still counting votes according to what was in the paper. I don’t always believe the Enterprise, but who knows.

    I think I will visit the web site for the county clerk.

  270. ferrera supporter

    They are still counting votes according to what was in the paper. I don’t always believe the Enterprise, but who knows.

    I think I will visit the web site for the county clerk.

  271. ferrera supporter

    They are still counting votes according to what was in the paper. I don’t always believe the Enterprise, but who knows.

    I think I will visit the web site for the county clerk.

  272. ferrera supporter

    They are still counting votes according to what was in the paper. I don’t always believe the Enterprise, but who knows.

    I think I will visit the web site for the county clerk.

  273. Don Shor

    I wouldn’t over-analyze this election. In a low turnout, a long history of public service and extensive community networks provide the margin of victory. Slow-growth candidates will prevail in some future elections, then more pro-growth candidates, and back and forth. That pattern has been going on for years here.

    I think Cecilia, Sydney, and Rob all did reasonably well considering what they were up against. They have nothing to be ashamed of in the way their campaigns were conducted, and each has good reason to consider running again.

    The road to the city council is by service on the school board and commissions, and by cultivating personal relationships.

    I recommend wu ming’s analysis on his web site. Davis voters are neither strongly pro- nor anti- growth. They don’t like big projects, don’t like drastic changes, but will support people who seem thoughtful and moderate. This election returned incumbents. Previous elections rejected Covell Village, approved Target (barely), rejected the widening of Richards, etc. Take a look at the long history of the Davis City Council. I disagree with the notion that progressivism (as defined on this blog) is declining in Davis. It’s right about where it’s always been in representation on the City Council.

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”
    Good. Let’s hold him to that.

    Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.

  274. Don Shor

    I wouldn’t over-analyze this election. In a low turnout, a long history of public service and extensive community networks provide the margin of victory. Slow-growth candidates will prevail in some future elections, then more pro-growth candidates, and back and forth. That pattern has been going on for years here.

    I think Cecilia, Sydney, and Rob all did reasonably well considering what they were up against. They have nothing to be ashamed of in the way their campaigns were conducted, and each has good reason to consider running again.

    The road to the city council is by service on the school board and commissions, and by cultivating personal relationships.

    I recommend wu ming’s analysis on his web site. Davis voters are neither strongly pro- nor anti- growth. They don’t like big projects, don’t like drastic changes, but will support people who seem thoughtful and moderate. This election returned incumbents. Previous elections rejected Covell Village, approved Target (barely), rejected the widening of Richards, etc. Take a look at the long history of the Davis City Council. I disagree with the notion that progressivism (as defined on this blog) is declining in Davis. It’s right about where it’s always been in representation on the City Council.

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”
    Good. Let’s hold him to that.

    Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.

  275. Don Shor

    I wouldn’t over-analyze this election. In a low turnout, a long history of public service and extensive community networks provide the margin of victory. Slow-growth candidates will prevail in some future elections, then more pro-growth candidates, and back and forth. That pattern has been going on for years here.

    I think Cecilia, Sydney, and Rob all did reasonably well considering what they were up against. They have nothing to be ashamed of in the way their campaigns were conducted, and each has good reason to consider running again.

    The road to the city council is by service on the school board and commissions, and by cultivating personal relationships.

    I recommend wu ming’s analysis on his web site. Davis voters are neither strongly pro- nor anti- growth. They don’t like big projects, don’t like drastic changes, but will support people who seem thoughtful and moderate. This election returned incumbents. Previous elections rejected Covell Village, approved Target (barely), rejected the widening of Richards, etc. Take a look at the long history of the Davis City Council. I disagree with the notion that progressivism (as defined on this blog) is declining in Davis. It’s right about where it’s always been in representation on the City Council.

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”
    Good. Let’s hold him to that.

    Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.

  276. Don Shor

    I wouldn’t over-analyze this election. In a low turnout, a long history of public service and extensive community networks provide the margin of victory. Slow-growth candidates will prevail in some future elections, then more pro-growth candidates, and back and forth. That pattern has been going on for years here.

    I think Cecilia, Sydney, and Rob all did reasonably well considering what they were up against. They have nothing to be ashamed of in the way their campaigns were conducted, and each has good reason to consider running again.

    The road to the city council is by service on the school board and commissions, and by cultivating personal relationships.

    I recommend wu ming’s analysis on his web site. Davis voters are neither strongly pro- nor anti- growth. They don’t like big projects, don’t like drastic changes, but will support people who seem thoughtful and moderate. This election returned incumbents. Previous elections rejected Covell Village, approved Target (barely), rejected the widening of Richards, etc. Take a look at the long history of the Davis City Council. I disagree with the notion that progressivism (as defined on this blog) is declining in Davis. It’s right about where it’s always been in representation on the City Council.

    “Stephen wants Measure J to remain exactly the same. He said that many times during the campaign and said he would vote for it as is.”
    Good. Let’s hold him to that.

    Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.

  277. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia? Mariko Yamada has the knowledge regarding this topic.
    Just for info, the Davis PD Sgt. the Lesbian was referring to is Gina Anderson, who is now at the Roseville PD.

  278. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia? Mariko Yamada has the knowledge regarding this topic.
    Just for info, the Davis PD Sgt. the Lesbian was referring to is Gina Anderson, who is now at the Roseville PD.

  279. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia? Mariko Yamada has the knowledge regarding this topic.
    Just for info, the Davis PD Sgt. the Lesbian was referring to is Gina Anderson, who is now at the Roseville PD.

  280. Anonymous

    DPD,
    Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia? Mariko Yamada has the knowledge regarding this topic.
    Just for info, the Davis PD Sgt. the Lesbian was referring to is Gina Anderson, who is now at the Roseville PD.

  281. #1

    “By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.”

    I did, too! I was hedging my bets in desperation to get a Greenwald on the city council.

    “Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.”

    Personally I think a little more piss and vinegar would give us all something more to talk about.

    Other than that, I always enjoy Don’s take.

  282. #1

    “By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.”

    I did, too! I was hedging my bets in desperation to get a Greenwald on the city council.

    “Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.”

    Personally I think a little more piss and vinegar would give us all something more to talk about.

    Other than that, I always enjoy Don’s take.

  283. #1

    “By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.”

    I did, too! I was hedging my bets in desperation to get a Greenwald on the city council.

    “Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.”

    Personally I think a little more piss and vinegar would give us all something more to talk about.

    Other than that, I always enjoy Don’s take.

  284. #1

    “By the way I voted for Saylor, Sue and Cecilia. I think Souza can come across as a quack at times and I didn’t have confidence in the others either. I agreed with the Bee endorsement.”

    I did, too! I was hedging my bets in desperation to get a Greenwald on the city council.

    “Congratulations to the winners. I agree that less vituperation and more comity would be good for everyone.”

    Personally I think a little more piss and vinegar would give us all something more to talk about.

    Other than that, I always enjoy Don’s take.

  285. #1

    “Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia?”

    Is this a white knight come to root out intellectual hypocrisy and overzealous progressivism in Davis?

    I will sleep much better tonight knowing that one of you is hard at work out there finally getting to the bottom of this nagging C.A.R.O.L.E. mystery!

  286. #1

    “Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia?”

    Is this a white knight come to root out intellectual hypocrisy and overzealous progressivism in Davis?

    I will sleep much better tonight knowing that one of you is hard at work out there finally getting to the bottom of this nagging C.A.R.O.L.E. mystery!

  287. #1

    “Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia?”

    Is this a white knight come to root out intellectual hypocrisy and overzealous progressivism in Davis?

    I will sleep much better tonight knowing that one of you is hard at work out there finally getting to the bottom of this nagging C.A.R.O.L.E. mystery!

  288. #1

    “Could you please elaborate on what you think is “Sloppy Police Work and Poor Training”. Would you mind enlightening the rest of us on what kind of poor training the cops have had that you are referring to?
    You now have a good relationship with the new Chief? That’s Great. Since you named the Chief could you name the “Key” officers of whom you speak?
    Are you avoiding the question?
    Did you or Cecilia have anything to do with C.A.R.O.L.E. ? Simply indicate a yes or no answer.
    The only thing that has changed at the Davis PD is the Chief, and he is a good one. “Cecilia had a good relationship with the Davis P.D. when she was on the HRC”. I think you and/or she are kidding yourselves.
    Once again, what involvement did you and Cecilia have with C.A.R.O.L.E.? A simple yes or no is easy. So far you have not commented. Does that mean you were involved? Or is it just that you don’t want to incriminate yourself and Cecilia?”

    Is this a white knight come to root out intellectual hypocrisy and overzealous progressivism in Davis?

    I will sleep much better tonight knowing that one of you is hard at work out there finally getting to the bottom of this nagging C.A.R.O.L.E. mystery!

  289. Anonymous

    To #1,
    Not only will you sleep better but the truth shall set you free, along with the laxatives you need to take. Ask Cecilia and David. They are your “White Knights”. And you are kidding yourself.

  290. Anonymous

    To #1,
    Not only will you sleep better but the truth shall set you free, along with the laxatives you need to take. Ask Cecilia and David. They are your “White Knights”. And you are kidding yourself.

  291. Anonymous

    To #1,
    Not only will you sleep better but the truth shall set you free, along with the laxatives you need to take. Ask Cecilia and David. They are your “White Knights”. And you are kidding yourself.

  292. Anonymous

    To #1,
    Not only will you sleep better but the truth shall set you free, along with the laxatives you need to take. Ask Cecilia and David. They are your “White Knights”. And you are kidding yourself.

  293. wdf

    One cool thing about the internet is that you can do a certain amount of your own research in very little time. For instance, try these websites:

    http://www.caroleonline.com/

    and

    http://daviswiki.org/CAROLE?action=show&redirect=C.A.R.O.L.E.

    The Daviswiki lists some community activists who appear to be connected to CAROLE, which I just learned, stands for “Community Advocating for Responsible Oversight of Law Enforcement”.

    Ms. Escamilla-G even goes so far to give her cell phone number above. Why don’t you give her a call?

  294. wdf

    One cool thing about the internet is that you can do a certain amount of your own research in very little time. For instance, try these websites:

    http://www.caroleonline.com/

    and

    http://daviswiki.org/CAROLE?action=show&redirect=C.A.R.O.L.E.

    The Daviswiki lists some community activists who appear to be connected to CAROLE, which I just learned, stands for “Community Advocating for Responsible Oversight of Law Enforcement”.

    Ms. Escamilla-G even goes so far to give her cell phone number above. Why don’t you give her a call?

  295. wdf

    One cool thing about the internet is that you can do a certain amount of your own research in very little time. For instance, try these websites:

    http://www.caroleonline.com/

    and

    http://daviswiki.org/CAROLE?action=show&redirect=C.A.R.O.L.E.

    The Daviswiki lists some community activists who appear to be connected to CAROLE, which I just learned, stands for “Community Advocating for Responsible Oversight of Law Enforcement”.

    Ms. Escamilla-G even goes so far to give her cell phone number above. Why don’t you give her a call?

  296. wdf

    One cool thing about the internet is that you can do a certain amount of your own research in very little time. For instance, try these websites:

    http://www.caroleonline.com/

    and

    http://daviswiki.org/CAROLE?action=show&redirect=C.A.R.O.L.E.

    The Daviswiki lists some community activists who appear to be connected to CAROLE, which I just learned, stands for “Community Advocating for Responsible Oversight of Law Enforcement”.

    Ms. Escamilla-G even goes so far to give her cell phone number above. Why don’t you give her a call?

  297. Not a Ringing Endorsement

    Don Shor’s comments are right on target. In a low voter turnout, almost anything can happen. What we have to ask ourselves is why the low voter turnout? I suspect folks didn’t see any of the candidates as standing out, and so many did not bother to vote when they felt the choice was less than optimal. It was not a ringing endorsement of any, frankly, including the incumbents.

  298. Not a Ringing Endorsement

    Don Shor’s comments are right on target. In a low voter turnout, almost anything can happen. What we have to ask ourselves is why the low voter turnout? I suspect folks didn’t see any of the candidates as standing out, and so many did not bother to vote when they felt the choice was less than optimal. It was not a ringing endorsement of any, frankly, including the incumbents.

  299. Not a Ringing Endorsement

    Don Shor’s comments are right on target. In a low voter turnout, almost anything can happen. What we have to ask ourselves is why the low voter turnout? I suspect folks didn’t see any of the candidates as standing out, and so many did not bother to vote when they felt the choice was less than optimal. It was not a ringing endorsement of any, frankly, including the incumbents.

  300. Not a Ringing Endorsement

    Don Shor’s comments are right on target. In a low voter turnout, almost anything can happen. What we have to ask ourselves is why the low voter turnout? I suspect folks didn’t see any of the candidates as standing out, and so many did not bother to vote when they felt the choice was less than optimal. It was not a ringing endorsement of any, frankly, including the incumbents.

  301. Anonymous

    If you Google you can also find other law enforcement oversight organizations such as:

    National Assosiation for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (NACOLE)

    and

    Canadian Association of Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (CACOLE)

    It looks like CAROLE was simply a local group. What’s the big deal? This is a non-issue.

    Cecilia offered her phone number. Give her a call and set up a time to talk.

  302. Anonymous

    If you Google you can also find other law enforcement oversight organizations such as:

    National Assosiation for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (NACOLE)

    and

    Canadian Association of Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (CACOLE)

    It looks like CAROLE was simply a local group. What’s the big deal? This is a non-issue.

    Cecilia offered her phone number. Give her a call and set up a time to talk.

  303. Anonymous

    If you Google you can also find other law enforcement oversight organizations such as:

    National Assosiation for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (NACOLE)

    and

    Canadian Association of Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (CACOLE)

    It looks like CAROLE was simply a local group. What’s the big deal? This is a non-issue.

    Cecilia offered her phone number. Give her a call and set up a time to talk.

  304. Anonymous

    If you Google you can also find other law enforcement oversight organizations such as:

    National Assosiation for Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (NACOLE)

    and

    Canadian Association of Civilian Oversight of Law Enforcement (CACOLE)

    It looks like CAROLE was simply a local group. What’s the big deal? This is a non-issue.

    Cecilia offered her phone number. Give her a call and set up a time to talk.

  305. voter burnout

    I think a low voter turnout also happens when there is voter drain. When the Presidential election arrives in November that will mark the fourth election in one year.

    All of this on top of the local campaign to help schools. I think some people just tune out because they are so busy with their lives on top of the voter burnout.

  306. voter burnout

    I think a low voter turnout also happens when there is voter drain. When the Presidential election arrives in November that will mark the fourth election in one year.

    All of this on top of the local campaign to help schools. I think some people just tune out because they are so busy with their lives on top of the voter burnout.

  307. voter burnout

    I think a low voter turnout also happens when there is voter drain. When the Presidential election arrives in November that will mark the fourth election in one year.

    All of this on top of the local campaign to help schools. I think some people just tune out because they are so busy with their lives on top of the voter burnout.

  308. voter burnout

    I think a low voter turnout also happens when there is voter drain. When the Presidential election arrives in November that will mark the fourth election in one year.

    All of this on top of the local campaign to help schools. I think some people just tune out because they are so busy with their lives on top of the voter burnout.

  309. wdf

    “Maybe CAROLE was an affiliate or connected to NACOLE or CACOLE?”

    Go call Cecilia and those other community members listed on the Davis Wiki! They’re all probably nice people, you know.

  310. wdf

    “Maybe CAROLE was an affiliate or connected to NACOLE or CACOLE?”

    Go call Cecilia and those other community members listed on the Davis Wiki! They’re all probably nice people, you know.

  311. wdf

    “Maybe CAROLE was an affiliate or connected to NACOLE or CACOLE?”

    Go call Cecilia and those other community members listed on the Davis Wiki! They’re all probably nice people, you know.

  312. wdf

    “Maybe CAROLE was an affiliate or connected to NACOLE or CACOLE?”

    Go call Cecilia and those other community members listed on the Davis Wiki! They’re all probably nice people, you know.

  313. Rich Rifkin

    SOUTH DAVIS: “maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town…”

    There was a pretty big fire (3 acres) in south Davis on Wednesday afternoon. The Enterprise had a small blurb about it yesterday.

    This morning, I was walking on the Putah Creek Bike Path with my dog and saw the scorched area. It looked like mostly grass and small shrubs had been destroyed, while the large trees, though blackened, were not killed.

    Right near that area are some of the largest houses in Davis. I would imagine those folks were grateful that the fire didn’t spread over the bike path.

  314. Rich Rifkin

    SOUTH DAVIS: “maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town…”

    There was a pretty big fire (3 acres) in south Davis on Wednesday afternoon. The Enterprise had a small blurb about it yesterday.

    This morning, I was walking on the Putah Creek Bike Path with my dog and saw the scorched area. It looked like mostly grass and small shrubs had been destroyed, while the large trees, though blackened, were not killed.

    Right near that area are some of the largest houses in Davis. I would imagine those folks were grateful that the fire didn’t spread over the bike path.

  315. Rich Rifkin

    SOUTH DAVIS: “maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town…”

    There was a pretty big fire (3 acres) in south Davis on Wednesday afternoon. The Enterprise had a small blurb about it yesterday.

    This morning, I was walking on the Putah Creek Bike Path with my dog and saw the scorched area. It looked like mostly grass and small shrubs had been destroyed, while the large trees, though blackened, were not killed.

    Right near that area are some of the largest houses in Davis. I would imagine those folks were grateful that the fire didn’t spread over the bike path.

  316. Rich Rifkin

    SOUTH DAVIS: “maybe it’s a fire fighter at the computer because there are no fires in town…”

    There was a pretty big fire (3 acres) in south Davis on Wednesday afternoon. The Enterprise had a small blurb about it yesterday.

    This morning, I was walking on the Putah Creek Bike Path with my dog and saw the scorched area. It looked like mostly grass and small shrubs had been destroyed, while the large trees, though blackened, were not killed.

    Right near that area are some of the largest houses in Davis. I would imagine those folks were grateful that the fire didn’t spread over the bike path.

  317. Anonymous

    “The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed.”

    Excuse me? Who won the election? If the community is “tired” of firefighters, why did they vote in the top two firefighter-backed candidates by wide margins?

    “Cecilia’s labor roots are deep; she had a lot of labor support…”

    Yeah, right. It is a cardinal rule among union people that you do not go around attacking other unions’ contracts. Cecelia broke that rule. Why is it with all the right-wingers and pro-growth zealots out there that Cecelia chose to make the firefighters her scapegoat? And if her union–the California State Employees Association and SEIU Local 1000–supported her in attacking firefighters, shame on them too!

  318. Anonymous

    “The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed.”

    Excuse me? Who won the election? If the community is “tired” of firefighters, why did they vote in the top two firefighter-backed candidates by wide margins?

    “Cecilia’s labor roots are deep; she had a lot of labor support…”

    Yeah, right. It is a cardinal rule among union people that you do not go around attacking other unions’ contracts. Cecelia broke that rule. Why is it with all the right-wingers and pro-growth zealots out there that Cecelia chose to make the firefighters her scapegoat? And if her union–the California State Employees Association and SEIU Local 1000–supported her in attacking firefighters, shame on them too!

  319. Anonymous

    “The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed.”

    Excuse me? Who won the election? If the community is “tired” of firefighters, why did they vote in the top two firefighter-backed candidates by wide margins?

    “Cecilia’s labor roots are deep; she had a lot of labor support…”

    Yeah, right. It is a cardinal rule among union people that you do not go around attacking other unions’ contracts. Cecelia broke that rule. Why is it with all the right-wingers and pro-growth zealots out there that Cecelia chose to make the firefighters her scapegoat? And if her union–the California State Employees Association and SEIU Local 1000–supported her in attacking firefighters, shame on them too!

  320. Anonymous

    “The firefighters burned themselves. The community is tired of their greed.”

    Excuse me? Who won the election? If the community is “tired” of firefighters, why did they vote in the top two firefighter-backed candidates by wide margins?

    “Cecilia’s labor roots are deep; she had a lot of labor support…”

    Yeah, right. It is a cardinal rule among union people that you do not go around attacking other unions’ contracts. Cecelia broke that rule. Why is it with all the right-wingers and pro-growth zealots out there that Cecelia chose to make the firefighters her scapegoat? And if her union–the California State Employees Association and SEIU Local 1000–supported her in attacking firefighters, shame on them too!

  321. Anonymous

    To the response above,
    Was that really you DPD or someone using your name?
    Let all of us know what the answer to the question is. Were you involved or not? Yes or No?

  322. Anonymous

    To the response above,
    Was that really you DPD or someone using your name?
    Let all of us know what the answer to the question is. Were you involved or not? Yes or No?

  323. Anonymous

    To the response above,
    Was that really you DPD or someone using your name?
    Let all of us know what the answer to the question is. Were you involved or not? Yes or No?

  324. Anonymous

    To the response above,
    Was that really you DPD or someone using your name?
    Let all of us know what the answer to the question is. Were you involved or not? Yes or No?

  325. Lynn C.

    It’s great that Saylor won the mayorship; now we get two (faced) mayors for the price of one! What a boon in these cash-strapped economic times.

  326. Lynn C.

    It’s great that Saylor won the mayorship; now we get two (faced) mayors for the price of one! What a boon in these cash-strapped economic times.

  327. Lynn C.

    It’s great that Saylor won the mayorship; now we get two (faced) mayors for the price of one! What a boon in these cash-strapped economic times.

  328. Lynn C.

    It’s great that Saylor won the mayorship; now we get two (faced) mayors for the price of one! What a boon in these cash-strapped economic times.

  329. Anonymous

    BLOG ADMINISTRATOR,
    Why should one have to e-mail Cecilia or Davis separately when inquiring about the subject of, c.a.r.o.l.e.? I don’t want to have a private conversation with either of them . Why can’t they just say yes or no to the question? Sounds simple to me.

  330. Anonymous

    BLOG ADMINISTRATOR,
    Why should one have to e-mail Cecilia or Davis separately when inquiring about the subject of, c.a.r.o.l.e.? I don’t want to have a private conversation with either of them . Why can’t they just say yes or no to the question? Sounds simple to me.

  331. Anonymous

    BLOG ADMINISTRATOR,
    Why should one have to e-mail Cecilia or Davis separately when inquiring about the subject of, c.a.r.o.l.e.? I don’t want to have a private conversation with either of them . Why can’t they just say yes or no to the question? Sounds simple to me.

  332. Anonymous

    BLOG ADMINISTRATOR,
    Why should one have to e-mail Cecilia or Davis separately when inquiring about the subject of, c.a.r.o.l.e.? I don’t want to have a private conversation with either of them . Why can’t they just say yes or no to the question? Sounds simple to me.

  333. Anonymous

    There’s been a lot of controversy about the posting by Dave Hart, president of the California State Employees Association attacking the firefighters’ pension. Well Mr. Hart has apparently had a change of heart (no pun intended). Here’s his recent posting on the CSEUnited.org message board:

    “I made a mistake, plain and simple. I relied on inaccurate salary figures posted by other readers as a selective review of facts that was intended to lead people to an erroneous conclusion. I didn’t check out those sources and I regret it. I have learned my lesson.

    “I want to repeat that I did not make my comments as President of CSEA, but under my own blog sign name. I’ve posted many times before, as an individual member of the community, on local land use and water resources issues. My adjustment to being a “public figure” has come with a severe jolt and I wasn’t prepared for it.

    “I made the quoted statement in context of the Vallejo city bankruptcy announcement as reported by the press and did not take into account the many details of firefighter compensation. Their retirement package is not rich especially when one considers that they do not pay in and therefore do not receive Social Security benefits. Their retirement (and personal savings) is all they can count on. The other major consideration is that their retirement is part of their overall compensation. The rank and file firefighter salaries I have seen (after I made my statement) are in fact very modest. 3.0 at 50 is a way to attract people to a job that offers only a mediocre salary and guarantees significant health risks. The firefighters union came to an agreement with the City of Davis and it is probably a good deal for both the firefighters and the citizens of Davis when viewed as a package.

    “The only good news in all of this is that I don’t believe the discussion on firefighter compensation had a significant impact on the election. Judging by the number of letters to the editor of the Davis Enterprise, it was not a factor. But there is an ever growing budget crisis facing not just the state, but cities, counties and school districts with layoffs proposed. I will come out strongly as a private citizen in my local community as well as in my capacity as President of CSEA against any move to look to public employee contracts as a way of balancing budgets…and even then only after I’ve cleared my comments with others.”

  334. Anonymous

    There’s been a lot of controversy about the posting by Dave Hart, president of the California State Employees Association attacking the firefighters’ pension. Well Mr. Hart has apparently had a change of heart (no pun intended). Here’s his recent posting on the CSEUnited.org message board:

    “I made a mistake, plain and simple. I relied on inaccurate salary figures posted by other readers as a selective review of facts that was intended to lead people to an erroneous conclusion. I didn’t check out those sources and I regret it. I have learned my lesson.

    “I want to repeat that I did not make my comments as President of CSEA, but under my own blog sign name. I’ve posted many times before, as an individual member of the community, on local land use and water resources issues. My adjustment to being a “public figure” has come with a severe jolt and I wasn’t prepared for it.

    “I made the quoted statement in context of the Vallejo city bankruptcy announcement as reported by the press and did not take into account the many details of firefighter compensation. Their retirement package is not rich especially when one considers that they do not pay in and therefore do not receive Social Security benefits. Their retirement (and personal savings) is all they can count on. The other major consideration is that their retirement is part of their overall compensation. The rank and file firefighter salaries I have seen (after I made my statement) are in fact very modest. 3.0 at 50 is a way to attract people to a job that offers only a mediocre salary and guarantees significant health risks. The firefighters union came to an agreement with the City of Davis and it is probably a good deal for both the firefighters and the citizens of Davis when viewed as a package.

    “The only good news in all of this is that I don’t believe the discussion on firefighter compensation had a significant impact on the election. Judging by the number of letters to the editor of the Davis Enterprise, it was not a factor. But there is an ever growing budget crisis facing not just the state, but cities, counties and school districts with layoffs proposed. I will come out strongly as a private citizen in my local community as well as in my capacity as President of CSEA against any move to look to public employee contracts as a way of balancing budgets…and even then only after I’ve cleared my comments with others.”

  335. Anonymous

    There’s been a lot of controversy about the posting by Dave Hart, president of the California State Employees Association attacking the firefighters’ pension. Well Mr. Hart has apparently had a change of heart (no pun intended). Here’s his recent posting on the CSEUnited.org message board:

    “I made a mistake, plain and simple. I relied on inaccurate salary figures posted by other readers as a selective review of facts that was intended to lead people to an erroneous conclusion. I didn’t check out those sources and I regret it. I have learned my lesson.

    “I want to repeat that I did not make my comments as President of CSEA, but under my own blog sign name. I’ve posted many times before, as an individual member of the community, on local land use and water resources issues. My adjustment to being a “public figure” has come with a severe jolt and I wasn’t prepared for it.

    “I made the quoted statement in context of the Vallejo city bankruptcy announcement as reported by the press and did not take into account the many details of firefighter compensation. Their retirement package is not rich especially when one considers that they do not pay in and therefore do not receive Social Security benefits. Their retirement (and personal savings) is all they can count on. The other major consideration is that their retirement is part of their overall compensation. The rank and file firefighter salaries I have seen (after I made my statement) are in fact very modest. 3.0 at 50 is a way to attract people to a job that offers only a mediocre salary and guarantees significant health risks. The firefighters union came to an agreement with the City of Davis and it is probably a good deal for both the firefighters and the citizens of Davis when viewed as a package.

    “The only good news in all of this is that I don’t believe the discussion on firefighter compensation had a significant impact on the election. Judging by the number of letters to the editor of the Davis Enterprise, it was not a factor. But there is an ever growing budget crisis facing not just the state, but cities, counties and school districts with layoffs proposed. I will come out strongly as a private citizen in my local community as well as in my capacity as President of CSEA against any move to look to public employee contracts as a way of balancing budgets…and even then only after I’ve cleared my comments with others.”

  336. Anonymous

    There’s been a lot of controversy about the posting by Dave Hart, president of the California State Employees Association attacking the firefighters’ pension. Well Mr. Hart has apparently had a change of heart (no pun intended). Here’s his recent posting on the CSEUnited.org message board:

    “I made a mistake, plain and simple. I relied on inaccurate salary figures posted by other readers as a selective review of facts that was intended to lead people to an erroneous conclusion. I didn’t check out those sources and I regret it. I have learned my lesson.

    “I want to repeat that I did not make my comments as President of CSEA, but under my own blog sign name. I’ve posted many times before, as an individual member of the community, on local land use and water resources issues. My adjustment to being a “public figure” has come with a severe jolt and I wasn’t prepared for it.

    “I made the quoted statement in context of the Vallejo city bankruptcy announcement as reported by the press and did not take into account the many details of firefighter compensation. Their retirement package is not rich especially when one considers that they do not pay in and therefore do not receive Social Security benefits. Their retirement (and personal savings) is all they can count on. The other major consideration is that their retirement is part of their overall compensation. The rank and file firefighter salaries I have seen (after I made my statement) are in fact very modest. 3.0 at 50 is a way to attract people to a job that offers only a mediocre salary and guarantees significant health risks. The firefighters union came to an agreement with the City of Davis and it is probably a good deal for both the firefighters and the citizens of Davis when viewed as a package.

    “The only good news in all of this is that I don’t believe the discussion on firefighter compensation had a significant impact on the election. Judging by the number of letters to the editor of the Davis Enterprise, it was not a factor. But there is an ever growing budget crisis facing not just the state, but cities, counties and school districts with layoffs proposed. I will come out strongly as a private citizen in my local community as well as in my capacity as President of CSEA against any move to look to public employee contracts as a way of balancing budgets…and even then only after I’ve cleared my comments with others.”

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