This follows a year where several of his colleagues — repeatedly — stated that they had reviewed a number of recent complaints against the police department and found them to be totally without merit.
One of the people who came forward during that time was Jamal Buzayan. Another was Bernita Toney who has now had her complaints against the police department vindicated and validated in a court of law as she now awaits an attorney to take up a civil suit on her behalf against the city of Davis.
Recently Mr. Souza suggested on this blog, that the issue for him “is not should the City have oversight [but rather it] is what type we should have.”
The California Aggie quotes him as wondering how often racial profiling occurs.
“What I want to know is if there are cases that have been specifically cited by individuals in the community,” he said. “I want to know if there’s truth to those allegations. If we find cases of racial profiling in Davis, I want make sure they are dealt [with] appropriately and they will never happen again.”
While I have generally been a proponent of transparency in governmental actions, especially law enforcement, my biggest concern has always been that those in government acknowledge that we have a problem. It was always clear that neither former councilmember Ted Puntillo nor current councilmember Don Saylor acknowledged that there was a problem. Mr. Puntillo used words like “forced” to describe the council’s move to install even an Ombudsman.
Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem. It is for that reason I was heartened to hear Mr. Souza acknowledge a problem.
The Davis Enterprise last night described an assembly at Davis High School on Tuesday for Black History Month. The keynote speaker was Ron Tyler of the ACLU. He called the issue of racial profiling another “inconvenient truth.”
The Davis Enterprise reports:
He focused on the issue of racial profiling and told the crowd they didn’t have to be people of color to experience profiling.
“Every teen who has gone to the mall has experienced age profiling,” he said, referring to young shoppers who are sometimes closely watched by store personnel.
Tyler, who is a lawyer, shared his own story of profiling. Going to a jail to meet with a client, he was stopped and searched by a police officer who didn’t know him.
While he chuckled at his own situation, he said, “For some people, the consequences of racial profiling are much more severe.”
“Take action,” he told his listeners, “beginning with self-awareness.”
Tyler warned the students to not let personal prejudices interfere. He also told them to speak up and to support one another, as well as support efforts to completely outlaw racial profiling.
“When we don’t stand up to inconvenient truths, everyone suffers,” he said.
Last May around 150 African American UC Davis students marched from the UC Davis Memorial Union to the Davis Police Station. For around two hours, student after student got up and gave testimonials about personal incidents where they believed they were racially profiled. I would estimate at least 20 to 30 students spoke about cases of harassment—many of them not minor.
The sad thing about this incident is that it could have brought about community dialogue. Not one of the city councilmembers at that time were at this rally. The Davis Police Officers for the most part stood behind the glass, often snickering and joking with one another rather than listening to the very credible accounts of racial profiling. The police chief at the time, refused to come out and address the concerns of the crowd.
Recently the Ombudsman Bob Aaronson lamented on the lost opportunity that the Buzayan Case represented to the community.
“As I was quoted in a recent Sacramento Bee article, the Buzayan matter was a missed opportunity to begin a meaningful community dialogue around law enforcement issues… Every honest person who played a role in the Buzayan matter must, in hindsight, admit that he’d/ she’d do some things better, more circumspectly, if a ‘do over’ were possible. Healing requires acknowledgment of as much by everyone. Those who haven’t benefitted (sic) from hindsight will simply repeat their mistakes, to the community’s and their own detriment.”
This march was another lost opportunity for dialogue. Councilmember Souza is unsure how widespread the problem of racial profiling is in Davis? He was on the Human Relations Commission for a number of years and undoubtedly heard many complaints over the years. He was on the watch, when a State Senator’s Staffer endured a racial profiling incident several years back while precinct walking in Davis. And had Mr. Souza been at the rally he would have heard many credible stories and complaints. Furthermore Mr. Souza has sat behind the dais and heard even more as individual after individual came forward last March to press their complaints. And then previously in February. And yet again in April.
The African Americans in this community would tell Mr. Souza, if he asked, that this has been a problem not for years but for decades. That it arises as a public issue every few years but rarely is something done to change it. Hiring an Ombudsman was a good first step, but it remains the first step rather than the completion of the solution. There is much more work that needs to be done.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
I partially disagree with your assessment that: “Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?
If what we seek is some adjudication sustaining an act of racial profiling against a generally sophisticated profession (cops), before we can find solutions, we will be waiting a long time. It is doubtful that there would ever be such a finding by a city or quasi-city body. (other than civil rights lawsuits – which are far and few between because of lack of damages to support the actions like those reported to have occurred in Davis.)
How would there ever be a finding that there was racial profiling (absent some overt provable racial evidence- a slur, etc)? It would mean the termination of the career of the offending officer (followed by the officer’s own employment lawsuit), etc.
Why dont we be practical and skip the sole pursuit of trying to get internal affairs to admit to a case of racial profiling and work to address it as if racial profiling is occuring.
Answer: Training. How come no one in this community mentions training. It is legally mandated for all cops by California state law.. have your cops had the required training? Most small police outfits dont comply with training requirements.
I partially disagree with your assessment that: “Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?
If what we seek is some adjudication sustaining an act of racial profiling against a generally sophisticated profession (cops), before we can find solutions, we will be waiting a long time. It is doubtful that there would ever be such a finding by a city or quasi-city body. (other than civil rights lawsuits – which are far and few between because of lack of damages to support the actions like those reported to have occurred in Davis.)
How would there ever be a finding that there was racial profiling (absent some overt provable racial evidence- a slur, etc)? It would mean the termination of the career of the offending officer (followed by the officer’s own employment lawsuit), etc.
Why dont we be practical and skip the sole pursuit of trying to get internal affairs to admit to a case of racial profiling and work to address it as if racial profiling is occuring.
Answer: Training. How come no one in this community mentions training. It is legally mandated for all cops by California state law.. have your cops had the required training? Most small police outfits dont comply with training requirements.
I partially disagree with your assessment that: “Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?
If what we seek is some adjudication sustaining an act of racial profiling against a generally sophisticated profession (cops), before we can find solutions, we will be waiting a long time. It is doubtful that there would ever be such a finding by a city or quasi-city body. (other than civil rights lawsuits – which are far and few between because of lack of damages to support the actions like those reported to have occurred in Davis.)
How would there ever be a finding that there was racial profiling (absent some overt provable racial evidence- a slur, etc)? It would mean the termination of the career of the offending officer (followed by the officer’s own employment lawsuit), etc.
Why dont we be practical and skip the sole pursuit of trying to get internal affairs to admit to a case of racial profiling and work to address it as if racial profiling is occuring.
Answer: Training. How come no one in this community mentions training. It is legally mandated for all cops by California state law.. have your cops had the required training? Most small police outfits dont comply with training requirements.
I partially disagree with your assessment that: “Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?
If what we seek is some adjudication sustaining an act of racial profiling against a generally sophisticated profession (cops), before we can find solutions, we will be waiting a long time. It is doubtful that there would ever be such a finding by a city or quasi-city body. (other than civil rights lawsuits – which are far and few between because of lack of damages to support the actions like those reported to have occurred in Davis.)
How would there ever be a finding that there was racial profiling (absent some overt provable racial evidence- a slur, etc)? It would mean the termination of the career of the offending officer (followed by the officer’s own employment lawsuit), etc.
Why dont we be practical and skip the sole pursuit of trying to get internal affairs to admit to a case of racial profiling and work to address it as if racial profiling is occuring.
Answer: Training. How come no one in this community mentions training. It is legally mandated for all cops by California state law.. have your cops had the required training? Most small police outfits dont comply with training requirements.
“On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?”
While I understand your point, I also think a solution requires follow through and vigilance and without acknowledging the problem it seems difficult to do the hard work.
“On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?”
While I understand your point, I also think a solution requires follow through and vigilance and without acknowledging the problem it seems difficult to do the hard work.
“On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?”
While I understand your point, I also think a solution requires follow through and vigilance and without acknowledging the problem it seems difficult to do the hard work.
“On racial profiling specifically, why cant we enact a solution even though there is little or no acknowledgement?”
While I understand your point, I also think a solution requires follow through and vigilance and without acknowledging the problem it seems difficult to do the hard work.
Sometimes, publicly overly- pressing an issue after it has been “won” can be counterproductive. The hard work and SACRIFICE of the “fired” HRC, this blog and the facts that have been put before the good citizens of Davis in the past year or two are bearing fruit. Souza(and Saylor, I suspect),up for reelection next year,are reading the political handwriting on the wall
and hope that the Davis voters will not notice that they are reinventing themselves.
Sometimes, publicly overly- pressing an issue after it has been “won” can be counterproductive. The hard work and SACRIFICE of the “fired” HRC, this blog and the facts that have been put before the good citizens of Davis in the past year or two are bearing fruit. Souza(and Saylor, I suspect),up for reelection next year,are reading the political handwriting on the wall
and hope that the Davis voters will not notice that they are reinventing themselves.
Sometimes, publicly overly- pressing an issue after it has been “won” can be counterproductive. The hard work and SACRIFICE of the “fired” HRC, this blog and the facts that have been put before the good citizens of Davis in the past year or two are bearing fruit. Souza(and Saylor, I suspect),up for reelection next year,are reading the political handwriting on the wall
and hope that the Davis voters will not notice that they are reinventing themselves.
Sometimes, publicly overly- pressing an issue after it has been “won” can be counterproductive. The hard work and SACRIFICE of the “fired” HRC, this blog and the facts that have been put before the good citizens of Davis in the past year or two are bearing fruit. Souza(and Saylor, I suspect),up for reelection next year,are reading the political handwriting on the wall
and hope that the Davis voters will not notice that they are reinventing themselves.
I want to point out that Souza is admitting that there is a problem.
I agree that training is important, but leadership and setting an example by our veteran officers is also important. We really need to restore community pride in our police force; a belief that our officers are defending the constitutional rights of all citizens.
The Davis police department has had diversity training, but it may have been resented by the officers. Training on racial profiling should be part of a normal training program; the same way firearms training is required annually.
I want to point out that Souza is admitting that there is a problem.
I agree that training is important, but leadership and setting an example by our veteran officers is also important. We really need to restore community pride in our police force; a belief that our officers are defending the constitutional rights of all citizens.
The Davis police department has had diversity training, but it may have been resented by the officers. Training on racial profiling should be part of a normal training program; the same way firearms training is required annually.
I want to point out that Souza is admitting that there is a problem.
I agree that training is important, but leadership and setting an example by our veteran officers is also important. We really need to restore community pride in our police force; a belief that our officers are defending the constitutional rights of all citizens.
The Davis police department has had diversity training, but it may have been resented by the officers. Training on racial profiling should be part of a normal training program; the same way firearms training is required annually.
I want to point out that Souza is admitting that there is a problem.
I agree that training is important, but leadership and setting an example by our veteran officers is also important. We really need to restore community pride in our police force; a belief that our officers are defending the constitutional rights of all citizens.
The Davis police department has had diversity training, but it may have been resented by the officers. Training on racial profiling should be part of a normal training program; the same way firearms training is required annually.
I think that there is a simple explanation for Souza’s remarks to the Aggie: it was African American history month.
Now, that the calendar has turned to March, we can anticipate a return to the old head in the sand attitude.
Given the hostility that Saylor, Souza and Asmundson has shown towards this issue, it is probable that the ombudsperson and the new chief will implement procedures to insulate the historic practices of the DPD from the need to change.
Researchers at Rice University recently published a study to the effect that whites look to the presence of blacks in schools as the primary basis for deciding to live in a community, independent of other socioeconomic factors, such as class and median income.
The DPD conducts itself in such a way to make Davis appealing to such people, and it was not much of a transition to focus their attention on a Muslim family like the Buzayans.
–Richard Estes
I think that there is a simple explanation for Souza’s remarks to the Aggie: it was African American history month.
Now, that the calendar has turned to March, we can anticipate a return to the old head in the sand attitude.
Given the hostility that Saylor, Souza and Asmundson has shown towards this issue, it is probable that the ombudsperson and the new chief will implement procedures to insulate the historic practices of the DPD from the need to change.
Researchers at Rice University recently published a study to the effect that whites look to the presence of blacks in schools as the primary basis for deciding to live in a community, independent of other socioeconomic factors, such as class and median income.
The DPD conducts itself in such a way to make Davis appealing to such people, and it was not much of a transition to focus their attention on a Muslim family like the Buzayans.
–Richard Estes
I think that there is a simple explanation for Souza’s remarks to the Aggie: it was African American history month.
Now, that the calendar has turned to March, we can anticipate a return to the old head in the sand attitude.
Given the hostility that Saylor, Souza and Asmundson has shown towards this issue, it is probable that the ombudsperson and the new chief will implement procedures to insulate the historic practices of the DPD from the need to change.
Researchers at Rice University recently published a study to the effect that whites look to the presence of blacks in schools as the primary basis for deciding to live in a community, independent of other socioeconomic factors, such as class and median income.
The DPD conducts itself in such a way to make Davis appealing to such people, and it was not much of a transition to focus their attention on a Muslim family like the Buzayans.
–Richard Estes
I think that there is a simple explanation for Souza’s remarks to the Aggie: it was African American history month.
Now, that the calendar has turned to March, we can anticipate a return to the old head in the sand attitude.
Given the hostility that Saylor, Souza and Asmundson has shown towards this issue, it is probable that the ombudsperson and the new chief will implement procedures to insulate the historic practices of the DPD from the need to change.
Researchers at Rice University recently published a study to the effect that whites look to the presence of blacks in schools as the primary basis for deciding to live in a community, independent of other socioeconomic factors, such as class and median income.
The DPD conducts itself in such a way to make Davis appealing to such people, and it was not much of a transition to focus their attention on a Muslim family like the Buzayans.
–Richard Estes
I have mentioned training in interviews, reports, and in discussions.
Not only do officers need more training and proper training, but we need to have the city recruit officers with experience and education. Then, there can be a better pay associated with the positions and more ongoing training as opposed to just a one time training.
The work that our officers do is very important and very challenging. I’m all for helping to ensure that we recruit the best officers that will uphold the law and in turn provide the officers incentives for doing so.
There of course should be no rewards for profiling or for poor work such as that which was done on the Buzayan case or on Bernita’s case where information was falsified on a police report.
I have mentioned training in interviews, reports, and in discussions.
Not only do officers need more training and proper training, but we need to have the city recruit officers with experience and education. Then, there can be a better pay associated with the positions and more ongoing training as opposed to just a one time training.
The work that our officers do is very important and very challenging. I’m all for helping to ensure that we recruit the best officers that will uphold the law and in turn provide the officers incentives for doing so.
There of course should be no rewards for profiling or for poor work such as that which was done on the Buzayan case or on Bernita’s case where information was falsified on a police report.
I have mentioned training in interviews, reports, and in discussions.
Not only do officers need more training and proper training, but we need to have the city recruit officers with experience and education. Then, there can be a better pay associated with the positions and more ongoing training as opposed to just a one time training.
The work that our officers do is very important and very challenging. I’m all for helping to ensure that we recruit the best officers that will uphold the law and in turn provide the officers incentives for doing so.
There of course should be no rewards for profiling or for poor work such as that which was done on the Buzayan case or on Bernita’s case where information was falsified on a police report.
I have mentioned training in interviews, reports, and in discussions.
Not only do officers need more training and proper training, but we need to have the city recruit officers with experience and education. Then, there can be a better pay associated with the positions and more ongoing training as opposed to just a one time training.
The work that our officers do is very important and very challenging. I’m all for helping to ensure that we recruit the best officers that will uphold the law and in turn provide the officers incentives for doing so.
There of course should be no rewards for profiling or for poor work such as that which was done on the Buzayan case or on Bernita’s case where information was falsified on a police report.
Community pride in our police department will be restored when there is some acknowledgment of wrong doing and apologies given to families and individuals who have been wronged by false police reports and Gina Anderson’s faulty internal investigative process.
And the commission members and chair who had the finger pointed at them for supposedly making law enforcement look bad.
I think the voters will have to take these matters to the polls, since Souza and Saylor are up for re-election.
We’ll watch and see them spin themselves out of this one as the Buzayan case plays out in court beginning in April.
Community pride in our police department will be restored when there is some acknowledgment of wrong doing and apologies given to families and individuals who have been wronged by false police reports and Gina Anderson’s faulty internal investigative process.
And the commission members and chair who had the finger pointed at them for supposedly making law enforcement look bad.
I think the voters will have to take these matters to the polls, since Souza and Saylor are up for re-election.
We’ll watch and see them spin themselves out of this one as the Buzayan case plays out in court beginning in April.
Community pride in our police department will be restored when there is some acknowledgment of wrong doing and apologies given to families and individuals who have been wronged by false police reports and Gina Anderson’s faulty internal investigative process.
And the commission members and chair who had the finger pointed at them for supposedly making law enforcement look bad.
I think the voters will have to take these matters to the polls, since Souza and Saylor are up for re-election.
We’ll watch and see them spin themselves out of this one as the Buzayan case plays out in court beginning in April.
Community pride in our police department will be restored when there is some acknowledgment of wrong doing and apologies given to families and individuals who have been wronged by false police reports and Gina Anderson’s faulty internal investigative process.
And the commission members and chair who had the finger pointed at them for supposedly making law enforcement look bad.
I think the voters will have to take these matters to the polls, since Souza and Saylor are up for re-election.
We’ll watch and see them spin themselves out of this one as the Buzayan case plays out in court beginning in April.
One of the concepts I learned in sociology and race relations is that called “social fictions.” That is that no society is perfect so it is patched together with social fictions to handle what is now called “inconvenient truths.” People agree to go along or suffer consequences from those who think they benefit from it. Of course, the ones who challenge the rules are called “trouble makers.” All stigmatized groups feel the pressure.
Regarding profiling, the neocons have done a masterful job of rewording profiling so that it is now called proactive policing. Basically what they have came up with is defining elements of black culture as criminal in nature. So they can say that it is not race but criminal behavior we are looking at.
Training for police must be reviewed, monitored, particularly regarding diversity and class. I attended a diversity training popular with police that said ethnic holidays, especially MLK, causes hate crimes.
One of the concepts I learned in sociology and race relations is that called “social fictions.” That is that no society is perfect so it is patched together with social fictions to handle what is now called “inconvenient truths.” People agree to go along or suffer consequences from those who think they benefit from it. Of course, the ones who challenge the rules are called “trouble makers.” All stigmatized groups feel the pressure.
Regarding profiling, the neocons have done a masterful job of rewording profiling so that it is now called proactive policing. Basically what they have came up with is defining elements of black culture as criminal in nature. So they can say that it is not race but criminal behavior we are looking at.
Training for police must be reviewed, monitored, particularly regarding diversity and class. I attended a diversity training popular with police that said ethnic holidays, especially MLK, causes hate crimes.
One of the concepts I learned in sociology and race relations is that called “social fictions.” That is that no society is perfect so it is patched together with social fictions to handle what is now called “inconvenient truths.” People agree to go along or suffer consequences from those who think they benefit from it. Of course, the ones who challenge the rules are called “trouble makers.” All stigmatized groups feel the pressure.
Regarding profiling, the neocons have done a masterful job of rewording profiling so that it is now called proactive policing. Basically what they have came up with is defining elements of black culture as criminal in nature. So they can say that it is not race but criminal behavior we are looking at.
Training for police must be reviewed, monitored, particularly regarding diversity and class. I attended a diversity training popular with police that said ethnic holidays, especially MLK, causes hate crimes.
One of the concepts I learned in sociology and race relations is that called “social fictions.” That is that no society is perfect so it is patched together with social fictions to handle what is now called “inconvenient truths.” People agree to go along or suffer consequences from those who think they benefit from it. Of course, the ones who challenge the rules are called “trouble makers.” All stigmatized groups feel the pressure.
Regarding profiling, the neocons have done a masterful job of rewording profiling so that it is now called proactive policing. Basically what they have came up with is defining elements of black culture as criminal in nature. So they can say that it is not race but criminal behavior we are looking at.
Training for police must be reviewed, monitored, particularly regarding diversity and class. I attended a diversity training popular with police that said ethnic holidays, especially MLK, causes hate crimes.
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It’s amazing how poor the evidence is for all of this ubiquitous racial profiling. This reminds me of the claims for religion — just because so many people believe in it doesn’t make it so.
Having read the HRC report and heard other anecdotes, I’ve yet to be convinced that officers in the DPD are racists and that their superiors are covering this up. Maybe the people claiming this is a fact, should actually prove their case. If some officer of the DPD is arresting people on the basis of race, then take that officer to court and prove the case. The burden of proof is not on the cops, here. The burden is on those who are making these allegations.
I know that the defenders of the Buzayans are making the claim that this was a case of racial (or rather religious) persecution. But that’s a completely bogus charge. Perhaps the cops acted improperly in the Buzayan case — the civil lawsuit will decide that. But were they motivated because of their prejudice against Muslims? Come on.
Just where is the real, factual evidence in any of these cases that the cops have acted due to a racial bias?
I find it terribly sad that the so-called left-wingers are so eager to use McCarthyite tactics to impugn the Davis Police Department. In doing so, they show themselves to be no better than those who accused wide categories of people to be anti-American, despite the dearth of evidence.
It’s amazing how poor the evidence is for all of this ubiquitous racial profiling. This reminds me of the claims for religion — just because so many people believe in it doesn’t make it so.
Having read the HRC report and heard other anecdotes, I’ve yet to be convinced that officers in the DPD are racists and that their superiors are covering this up. Maybe the people claiming this is a fact, should actually prove their case. If some officer of the DPD is arresting people on the basis of race, then take that officer to court and prove the case. The burden of proof is not on the cops, here. The burden is on those who are making these allegations.
I know that the defenders of the Buzayans are making the claim that this was a case of racial (or rather religious) persecution. But that’s a completely bogus charge. Perhaps the cops acted improperly in the Buzayan case — the civil lawsuit will decide that. But were they motivated because of their prejudice against Muslims? Come on.
Just where is the real, factual evidence in any of these cases that the cops have acted due to a racial bias?
I find it terribly sad that the so-called left-wingers are so eager to use McCarthyite tactics to impugn the Davis Police Department. In doing so, they show themselves to be no better than those who accused wide categories of people to be anti-American, despite the dearth of evidence.
It’s amazing how poor the evidence is for all of this ubiquitous racial profiling. This reminds me of the claims for religion — just because so many people believe in it doesn’t make it so.
Having read the HRC report and heard other anecdotes, I’ve yet to be convinced that officers in the DPD are racists and that their superiors are covering this up. Maybe the people claiming this is a fact, should actually prove their case. If some officer of the DPD is arresting people on the basis of race, then take that officer to court and prove the case. The burden of proof is not on the cops, here. The burden is on those who are making these allegations.
I know that the defenders of the Buzayans are making the claim that this was a case of racial (or rather religious) persecution. But that’s a completely bogus charge. Perhaps the cops acted improperly in the Buzayan case — the civil lawsuit will decide that. But were they motivated because of their prejudice against Muslims? Come on.
Just where is the real, factual evidence in any of these cases that the cops have acted due to a racial bias?
I find it terribly sad that the so-called left-wingers are so eager to use McCarthyite tactics to impugn the Davis Police Department. In doing so, they show themselves to be no better than those who accused wide categories of people to be anti-American, despite the dearth of evidence.
It’s amazing how poor the evidence is for all of this ubiquitous racial profiling. This reminds me of the claims for religion — just because so many people believe in it doesn’t make it so.
Having read the HRC report and heard other anecdotes, I’ve yet to be convinced that officers in the DPD are racists and that their superiors are covering this up. Maybe the people claiming this is a fact, should actually prove their case. If some officer of the DPD is arresting people on the basis of race, then take that officer to court and prove the case. The burden of proof is not on the cops, here. The burden is on those who are making these allegations.
I know that the defenders of the Buzayans are making the claim that this was a case of racial (or rather religious) persecution. But that’s a completely bogus charge. Perhaps the cops acted improperly in the Buzayan case — the civil lawsuit will decide that. But were they motivated because of their prejudice against Muslims? Come on.
Just where is the real, factual evidence in any of these cases that the cops have acted due to a racial bias?
I find it terribly sad that the so-called left-wingers are so eager to use McCarthyite tactics to impugn the Davis Police Department. In doing so, they show themselves to be no better than those who accused wide categories of people to be anti-American, despite the dearth of evidence.
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling, because I think it is closer to what is happening and I think there is a tremendous amount of anecdotal evidence for it. And you are in the position of arguing that many different people, who have never met each other and who are telling amazingly similar stories are either embellishing or lying. Sorry but I just do not buy that alternative explanation here.
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling, because I think it is closer to what is happening and I think there is a tremendous amount of anecdotal evidence for it. And you are in the position of arguing that many different people, who have never met each other and who are telling amazingly similar stories are either embellishing or lying. Sorry but I just do not buy that alternative explanation here.
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling, because I think it is closer to what is happening and I think there is a tremendous amount of anecdotal evidence for it. And you are in the position of arguing that many different people, who have never met each other and who are telling amazingly similar stories are either embellishing or lying. Sorry but I just do not buy that alternative explanation here.
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling, because I think it is closer to what is happening and I think there is a tremendous amount of anecdotal evidence for it. And you are in the position of arguing that many different people, who have never met each other and who are telling amazingly similar stories are either embellishing or lying. Sorry but I just do not buy that alternative explanation here.
The “trick” here is to define racism as something akin to Nazi anti-semitism or, for that matter, home-grown KKK racism then loudly bellow that this doesn’t apply to DPD activities..the “straw man” strategy. What we are talking about here is “proactive” police stops and searches as well as other violations of citizen’s civil rights. The climate of the times(the words “street terrorist” as coined by Reisig recently is supposed to have us all shivering in our boots) makes this law and order mind-set appear more politically palatable.For this very reason, oversight, strong leadership and accountability are critical.
The “trick” here is to define racism as something akin to Nazi anti-semitism or, for that matter, home-grown KKK racism then loudly bellow that this doesn’t apply to DPD activities..the “straw man” strategy. What we are talking about here is “proactive” police stops and searches as well as other violations of citizen’s civil rights. The climate of the times(the words “street terrorist” as coined by Reisig recently is supposed to have us all shivering in our boots) makes this law and order mind-set appear more politically palatable.For this very reason, oversight, strong leadership and accountability are critical.
The “trick” here is to define racism as something akin to Nazi anti-semitism or, for that matter, home-grown KKK racism then loudly bellow that this doesn’t apply to DPD activities..the “straw man” strategy. What we are talking about here is “proactive” police stops and searches as well as other violations of citizen’s civil rights. The climate of the times(the words “street terrorist” as coined by Reisig recently is supposed to have us all shivering in our boots) makes this law and order mind-set appear more politically palatable.For this very reason, oversight, strong leadership and accountability are critical.
The “trick” here is to define racism as something akin to Nazi anti-semitism or, for that matter, home-grown KKK racism then loudly bellow that this doesn’t apply to DPD activities..the “straw man” strategy. What we are talking about here is “proactive” police stops and searches as well as other violations of citizen’s civil rights. The climate of the times(the words “street terrorist” as coined by Reisig recently is supposed to have us all shivering in our boots) makes this law and order mind-set appear more politically palatable.For this very reason, oversight, strong leadership and accountability are critical.
What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?
You have conveniently dodged two points. The first is that even Souza acknowledges that racial profiling exists in Davis.
Second, how do we deal with either the reality of pretense stops or the perception by minorities that they are being singled out? (Which even if proven false, is a problem in and of itself.).
What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?
You have conveniently dodged two points. The first is that even Souza acknowledges that racial profiling exists in Davis.
Second, how do we deal with either the reality of pretense stops or the perception by minorities that they are being singled out? (Which even if proven false, is a problem in and of itself.).
What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?
You have conveniently dodged two points. The first is that even Souza acknowledges that racial profiling exists in Davis.
Second, how do we deal with either the reality of pretense stops or the perception by minorities that they are being singled out? (Which even if proven false, is a problem in and of itself.).
What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?
You have conveniently dodged two points. The first is that even Souza acknowledges that racial profiling exists in Davis.
Second, how do we deal with either the reality of pretense stops or the perception by minorities that they are being singled out? (Which even if proven false, is a problem in and of itself.).
“…my biggest concern has always been that those in government acknowledge that we have a problem. … Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
David, you wrote an entire story that says that there is racial profiling in Davis by the DPD. Here you say that the most important thing is that this racial profiling be acknowledged. But now you change your tune when I ask for some evidence:
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling…
If cops are racially profiling, then they are by definition racists. They are discriminating against people on the basis of their race. That is a very serious charge, seemingly made blithely by some people.
I don’t know what a “pretense stop” is. Maybe you could define it, and maybe the next time you write a story about this subject, you could explain to your readers up front that 1) you do not believe that the DPD is full of racist cops, and 2) that the DPD is not engaging in racial profiling. That would help your credibility on this subject.
“…my biggest concern has always been that those in government acknowledge that we have a problem. … Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
David, you wrote an entire story that says that there is racial profiling in Davis by the DPD. Here you say that the most important thing is that this racial profiling be acknowledged. But now you change your tune when I ask for some evidence:
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling…
If cops are racially profiling, then they are by definition racists. They are discriminating against people on the basis of their race. That is a very serious charge, seemingly made blithely by some people.
I don’t know what a “pretense stop” is. Maybe you could define it, and maybe the next time you write a story about this subject, you could explain to your readers up front that 1) you do not believe that the DPD is full of racist cops, and 2) that the DPD is not engaging in racial profiling. That would help your credibility on this subject.
“…my biggest concern has always been that those in government acknowledge that we have a problem. … Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
David, you wrote an entire story that says that there is racial profiling in Davis by the DPD. Here you say that the most important thing is that this racial profiling be acknowledged. But now you change your tune when I ask for some evidence:
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling…
If cops are racially profiling, then they are by definition racists. They are discriminating against people on the basis of their race. That is a very serious charge, seemingly made blithely by some people.
I don’t know what a “pretense stop” is. Maybe you could define it, and maybe the next time you write a story about this subject, you could explain to your readers up front that 1) you do not believe that the DPD is full of racist cops, and 2) that the DPD is not engaging in racial profiling. That would help your credibility on this subject.
“…my biggest concern has always been that those in government acknowledge that we have a problem. … Without an acknowledgment that there exists a problem, it is difficult to enact policy that will lead to a solution for a problem.”
David, you wrote an entire story that says that there is racial profiling in Davis by the DPD. Here you say that the most important thing is that this racial profiling be acknowledged. But now you change your tune when I ask for some evidence:
These charges do not necessarily mean that police officers are racist. I actually prefer the term pretense stops over racial profiling…
If cops are racially profiling, then they are by definition racists. They are discriminating against people on the basis of their race. That is a very serious charge, seemingly made blithely by some people.
I don’t know what a “pretense stop” is. Maybe you could define it, and maybe the next time you write a story about this subject, you could explain to your readers up front that 1) you do not believe that the DPD is full of racist cops, and 2) that the DPD is not engaging in racial profiling. That would help your credibility on this subject.
I wrote commentary on two articles one in the Cal Aggie and one in the Enterprise both of which used the term racial profiling.
What is a pretense stop?
A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities. They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities. They
I wrote commentary on two articles one in the Cal Aggie and one in the Enterprise both of which used the term racial profiling.
What is a pretense stop?
A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities. They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities. They
I wrote commentary on two articles one in the Cal Aggie and one in the Enterprise both of which used the term racial profiling.
What is a pretense stop?
A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities. They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities. They
I wrote commentary on two articles one in the Cal Aggie and one in the Enterprise both of which used the term racial profiling.
What is a pretense stop?
A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities. They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities. They
“What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?”
You have 28 stories on this site under the heading, “Racial Profiling.” So clearly this charge has been made numerous times. But, much like a claim of religious faith, the claims come without provable facts.
When evidence is put forth that proves that the cops are the racists that they have been accused of being, I will happily concede I was wrong. However, it is not up to me, or up to the cops, to prove their innocence. All of the burden is on the people making the claim.
“What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?”
You have 28 stories on this site under the heading, “Racial Profiling.” So clearly this charge has been made numerous times. But, much like a claim of religious faith, the claims come without provable facts.
When evidence is put forth that proves that the cops are the racists that they have been accused of being, I will happily concede I was wrong. However, it is not up to me, or up to the cops, to prove their innocence. All of the burden is on the people making the claim.
“What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?”
You have 28 stories on this site under the heading, “Racial Profiling.” So clearly this charge has been made numerous times. But, much like a claim of religious faith, the claims come without provable facts.
When evidence is put forth that proves that the cops are the racists that they have been accused of being, I will happily concede I was wrong. However, it is not up to me, or up to the cops, to prove their innocence. All of the burden is on the people making the claim.
“What evidence do you have that anyone has been falsely accused of racial profiling?”
You have 28 stories on this site under the heading, “Racial Profiling.” So clearly this charge has been made numerous times. But, much like a claim of religious faith, the claims come without provable facts.
When evidence is put forth that proves that the cops are the racists that they have been accused of being, I will happily concede I was wrong. However, it is not up to me, or up to the cops, to prove their innocence. All of the burden is on the people making the claim.
That’s the problem with racial profiling–even if caught on tape, how do you prove it?
That’s the problem with racial profiling–even if caught on tape, how do you prove it?
That’s the problem with racial profiling–even if caught on tape, how do you prove it?
That’s the problem with racial profiling–even if caught on tape, how do you prove it?
“A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities.”
If the “pretense” is bogus, then that is a terrible practice and ought to be decried. But if the “pretense” is legitimate, I don’t really see what the problem is.
“They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities.”
I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense. However, if that is defined as you have defined it, then it is deplorable.
But beyond deplorable, it makes no sense. I cannot believe that a sworn police officer, who is not a racist, would think, “hmmm… I’m driving down Anderson Road… there’s a Latino guy driving in that truck… he doesn’t fit in… because he’s a minority, he might be a drug dealer…. Let me look for some stupid reason to pull him over…” If that is a pretense stop, as you’ve defined it, it’s as hard to believe as the stories about the Virgin Mary showing up on cheese toast.
“A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities.”
If the “pretense” is bogus, then that is a terrible practice and ought to be decried. But if the “pretense” is legitimate, I don’t really see what the problem is.
“They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities.”
I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense. However, if that is defined as you have defined it, then it is deplorable.
But beyond deplorable, it makes no sense. I cannot believe that a sworn police officer, who is not a racist, would think, “hmmm… I’m driving down Anderson Road… there’s a Latino guy driving in that truck… he doesn’t fit in… because he’s a minority, he might be a drug dealer…. Let me look for some stupid reason to pull him over…” If that is a pretense stop, as you’ve defined it, it’s as hard to believe as the stories about the Virgin Mary showing up on cheese toast.
“A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities.”
If the “pretense” is bogus, then that is a terrible practice and ought to be decried. But if the “pretense” is legitimate, I don’t really see what the problem is.
“They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities.”
I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense. However, if that is defined as you have defined it, then it is deplorable.
But beyond deplorable, it makes no sense. I cannot believe that a sworn police officer, who is not a racist, would think, “hmmm… I’m driving down Anderson Road… there’s a Latino guy driving in that truck… he doesn’t fit in… because he’s a minority, he might be a drug dealer…. Let me look for some stupid reason to pull him over…” If that is a pretense stop, as you’ve defined it, it’s as hard to believe as the stories about the Virgin Mary showing up on cheese toast.
“A pretense stop is a traffic stop by the police where they pull over a vehicle on a minor pretense in hopes that the individual in the car is criminal or involved in more serious activities.”
If the “pretense” is bogus, then that is a terrible practice and ought to be decried. But if the “pretense” is legitimate, I don’t really see what the problem is.
“They look for people who do not seem to belong (police officers have actually said this and boasted of this)–driving vehicles that are old and in poor condition and also minorities.”
I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense. However, if that is defined as you have defined it, then it is deplorable.
But beyond deplorable, it makes no sense. I cannot believe that a sworn police officer, who is not a racist, would think, “hmmm… I’m driving down Anderson Road… there’s a Latino guy driving in that truck… he doesn’t fit in… because he’s a minority, he might be a drug dealer…. Let me look for some stupid reason to pull him over…” If that is a pretense stop, as you’ve defined it, it’s as hard to believe as the stories about the Virgin Mary showing up on cheese toast.
Rifkin says: “I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense.”
What may appear as “common sense” to one person or officer may not be common sense to another.
For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable. What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.
Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?
This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior. Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.
Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report. Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community? There are none and it is the reason that the only place justice will take place will be in the Federal Courts.
Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist. It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject. Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place. Call it what you will…it’s taking place and we must do something about it. It’s growing old.
Rifkin says: “I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense.”
What may appear as “common sense” to one person or officer may not be common sense to another.
For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable. What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.
Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?
This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior. Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.
Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report. Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community? There are none and it is the reason that the only place justice will take place will be in the Federal Courts.
Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist. It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject. Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place. Call it what you will…it’s taking place and we must do something about it. It’s growing old.
Rifkin says: “I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense.”
What may appear as “common sense” to one person or officer may not be common sense to another.
For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable. What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.
Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?
This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior. Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.
Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report. Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community? There are none and it is the reason that the only place justice will take place will be in the Federal Courts.
Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist. It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject. Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place. Call it what you will…it’s taking place and we must do something about it. It’s growing old.
Rifkin says: “I can understand the idea of paying attention to someone who does not seem to belong. That just seems like common sense.”
What may appear as “common sense” to one person or officer may not be common sense to another.
For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable. What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.
Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?
This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior. Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.
Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report. Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community? There are none and it is the reason that the only place justice will take place will be in the Federal Courts.
Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist. It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject. Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place. Call it what you will…it’s taking place and we must do something about it. It’s growing old.
“For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable.”
If the pulling over was without merit, then I agree. If there was a good reason, then not. I’ve been pulled over in Davis. My elderly mother has been pulled over. I don’t know anyone who has never been stopped by the police. Being stopped by the cops for good reason is not deplorable. It’s just the job of the police.
“What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.”
If the facts are exactly as you say they are, I agree that this is deplorable.
“Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?”
I’d have to hear what the other side (i.e., the cops) say as to the reason they pulled each person over before I made any determination. I do tend to doubt that individuals are being pulled over because of racism, though.
“This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior.”
I have not seen any cases which were taken to court and proved the discriminatory behavior. I would concede I was wrong if the evidence were there.
“Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.”
People who make allegations have the burden to prove their cases. Not the other way around.
“Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report.”
Most of what I know of the Bernita Toney story is what David Greenwald has reported. Assuming everything he says is accurate, it is a case of police misconduct (by lying in the report). The officer who lied ought to be prosecuted; and the IA who did not properly investigate the case should be penalized (if possible).
However, it was not a case of racial profiling. Ms. Toney was not pulled over. No one profiled her for arrest. Someone called the police and reported to the cops that her children were not being cared for. That call could have been about any parent of any hue.
“Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community?”
More than apologies, she needs compensation from those who damaged her. Talk is cheap.
“Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist.”
By writing 28 articles about racial profiling in Davis on this blog, that is certainly the impression that David Greenwald (aka Doug Paul) has left.
“It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject.”
No, that’s wrong. If you charge someone with racial profiling, there is no way around the truth that you are saying they are racists. To deny that is to deny common sense.
“Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place.”
Profiling or racial profiling? They are certainly not the same thing. The former is a necessary part of public safety. The latter is insidious racism.
“For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable.”
If the pulling over was without merit, then I agree. If there was a good reason, then not. I’ve been pulled over in Davis. My elderly mother has been pulled over. I don’t know anyone who has never been stopped by the police. Being stopped by the cops for good reason is not deplorable. It’s just the job of the police.
“What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.”
If the facts are exactly as you say they are, I agree that this is deplorable.
“Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?”
I’d have to hear what the other side (i.e., the cops) say as to the reason they pulled each person over before I made any determination. I do tend to doubt that individuals are being pulled over because of racism, though.
“This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior.”
I have not seen any cases which were taken to court and proved the discriminatory behavior. I would concede I was wrong if the evidence were there.
“Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.”
People who make allegations have the burden to prove their cases. Not the other way around.
“Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report.”
Most of what I know of the Bernita Toney story is what David Greenwald has reported. Assuming everything he says is accurate, it is a case of police misconduct (by lying in the report). The officer who lied ought to be prosecuted; and the IA who did not properly investigate the case should be penalized (if possible).
However, it was not a case of racial profiling. Ms. Toney was not pulled over. No one profiled her for arrest. Someone called the police and reported to the cops that her children were not being cared for. That call could have been about any parent of any hue.
“Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community?”
More than apologies, she needs compensation from those who damaged her. Talk is cheap.
“Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist.”
By writing 28 articles about racial profiling in Davis on this blog, that is certainly the impression that David Greenwald (aka Doug Paul) has left.
“It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject.”
No, that’s wrong. If you charge someone with racial profiling, there is no way around the truth that you are saying they are racists. To deny that is to deny common sense.
“Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place.”
Profiling or racial profiling? They are certainly not the same thing. The former is a necessary part of public safety. The latter is insidious racism.
“For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable.”
If the pulling over was without merit, then I agree. If there was a good reason, then not. I’ve been pulled over in Davis. My elderly mother has been pulled over. I don’t know anyone who has never been stopped by the police. Being stopped by the cops for good reason is not deplorable. It’s just the job of the police.
“What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.”
If the facts are exactly as you say they are, I agree that this is deplorable.
“Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?”
I’d have to hear what the other side (i.e., the cops) say as to the reason they pulled each person over before I made any determination. I do tend to doubt that individuals are being pulled over because of racism, though.
“This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior.”
I have not seen any cases which were taken to court and proved the discriminatory behavior. I would concede I was wrong if the evidence were there.
“Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.”
People who make allegations have the burden to prove their cases. Not the other way around.
“Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report.”
Most of what I know of the Bernita Toney story is what David Greenwald has reported. Assuming everything he says is accurate, it is a case of police misconduct (by lying in the report). The officer who lied ought to be prosecuted; and the IA who did not properly investigate the case should be penalized (if possible).
However, it was not a case of racial profiling. Ms. Toney was not pulled over. No one profiled her for arrest. Someone called the police and reported to the cops that her children were not being cared for. That call could have been about any parent of any hue.
“Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community?”
More than apologies, she needs compensation from those who damaged her. Talk is cheap.
“Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist.”
By writing 28 articles about racial profiling in Davis on this blog, that is certainly the impression that David Greenwald (aka Doug Paul) has left.
“It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject.”
No, that’s wrong. If you charge someone with racial profiling, there is no way around the truth that you are saying they are racists. To deny that is to deny common sense.
“Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place.”
Profiling or racial profiling? They are certainly not the same thing. The former is a necessary part of public safety. The latter is insidious racism.
“For an officer to pull over Tansey Thomas, an upstanding, long-time African American woman who has lived in Davis for many, many years seems deplorable.”
If the pulling over was without merit, then I agree. If there was a good reason, then not. I’ve been pulled over in Davis. My elderly mother has been pulled over. I don’t know anyone who has never been stopped by the police. Being stopped by the cops for good reason is not deplorable. It’s just the job of the police.
“What was the charge? What was she guilty of? Nothing. Nothing more than driving while Black – at night. Oh yea…she was driving an older vehicle.”
If the facts are exactly as you say they are, I agree that this is deplorable.
“Are you saying that Tansey and others who have been pulled over, whether driving an older vehicle or a newer vehicle are lying?”
I’d have to hear what the other side (i.e., the cops) say as to the reason they pulled each person over before I made any determination. I do tend to doubt that individuals are being pulled over because of racism, though.
“This, is what is deplorable. Is that you find excuses to excuse the behavior.”
I have not seen any cases which were taken to court and proved the discriminatory behavior. I would concede I was wrong if the evidence were there.
“Furthermore, members of the community trying to give excuses saying it doesn’t happen is deplorable.”
People who make allegations have the burden to prove their cases. Not the other way around.
“Two years ago when Bernita brought her story forth people said that it was a conspiracy theory that officers would not fabricate or lie on a police report.”
Most of what I know of the Bernita Toney story is what David Greenwald has reported. Assuming everything he says is accurate, it is a case of police misconduct (by lying in the report). The officer who lied ought to be prosecuted; and the IA who did not properly investigate the case should be penalized (if possible).
However, it was not a case of racial profiling. Ms. Toney was not pulled over. No one profiled her for arrest. Someone called the police and reported to the cops that her children were not being cared for. That call could have been about any parent of any hue.
“Two years later she has been found innocent. Where are the apologies to the Bernita’s in our Davis community?”
More than apologies, she needs compensation from those who damaged her. Talk is cheap.
“Doug Paul has not said that the cops are racist.”
By writing 28 articles about racial profiling in Davis on this blog, that is certainly the impression that David Greenwald (aka Doug Paul) has left.
“It’s a phrase that you continue to use to incite people trying to have a discussion on the subject.”
No, that’s wrong. If you charge someone with racial profiling, there is no way around the truth that you are saying they are racists. To deny that is to deny common sense.
“Poor police performance and yes, in some cases, profiling have taken place.”
Profiling or racial profiling? They are certainly not the same thing. The former is a necessary part of public safety. The latter is insidious racism.
Doug… this is indeed getting OLD.
More schoolyard antics… “Prove it!!, you got no pruf!!!”, taunts the bully although everyone knows what happened.
Doug… this is indeed getting OLD.
More schoolyard antics… “Prove it!!, you got no pruf!!!”, taunts the bully although everyone knows what happened.
Doug… this is indeed getting OLD.
More schoolyard antics… “Prove it!!, you got no pruf!!!”, taunts the bully although everyone knows what happened.
Doug… this is indeed getting OLD.
More schoolyard antics… “Prove it!!, you got no pruf!!!”, taunts the bully although everyone knows what happened.
At this point, this topic is on the verge of being closed down.
At this point, this topic is on the verge of being closed down.
At this point, this topic is on the verge of being closed down.
At this point, this topic is on the verge of being closed down.
Ok Doug, but I do want to answer Rifkin’s question. Tansey was pulled over for no reason other than for the officer to ask her where she was going. Tags were registered, vehicle was ok, no lights or stop sign were run, just a Black woman driving an older vehicle at night in Davis.
Ok Doug, but I do want to answer Rifkin’s question. Tansey was pulled over for no reason other than for the officer to ask her where she was going. Tags were registered, vehicle was ok, no lights or stop sign were run, just a Black woman driving an older vehicle at night in Davis.
Ok Doug, but I do want to answer Rifkin’s question. Tansey was pulled over for no reason other than for the officer to ask her where she was going. Tags were registered, vehicle was ok, no lights or stop sign were run, just a Black woman driving an older vehicle at night in Davis.
Ok Doug, but I do want to answer Rifkin’s question. Tansey was pulled over for no reason other than for the officer to ask her where she was going. Tags were registered, vehicle was ok, no lights or stop sign were run, just a Black woman driving an older vehicle at night in Davis.