Commentary: Who is left to defend Yolo County Farmland?

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As reported yesterday in the local press, Sacramento developer Angelo Tskaopoulos is proposing developing a 2,800 acre parcel of prime agricultural land along the I-80 between Davis and the Yolo Causeway.

Unfortunately the people who were supposed to be protecting Davis and Yolo County from exactly this sort of development are making statements that should make every single resident very nervous.

Supervisor Mike McGowan, who represents West Sacramento, in both the Sacramento Bee and Davis Enterprise was non-committal but sympathetic.

Supervisor McGowan told the Bee:

“It’s still very much at the conceptual level, and I need to get much more information about it before I can form any serious conclusions.”

“The idea of this region being at the forefront of stem cell research is certainly an exciting one, but the rest of it has yet to be fleshed out.”

Meanwhile he told the Davis Enterprise:

“I’m very intrigued with the idea of a research park… We need to look constructively at the Interstate 80 corridor between West Sacramento and Davis. Does it make sense for the county, Davis, UC Davis and West Sacramento to place something of legitimate scientific endeavor out there? If the answer is ‘maybe,’ then we should look at it at least in the broad concept.”

However, given his record on growth this is not a surprising position by Supervisor McGowan.

The surprising position is that of Supervisor Mariko Yamada–who up until this calendar year was widely regarded as a slow-growther. However, it appears that has begun to change sharply this year just as she announced a bid for the Assembly.

Earlier this year she alarmed supporters and Davis Progressives with a proposal to look into joint study-areas on the periphery of Davis as possible locations for future development and zoning changes to allow for that future development. The city of Davis has adamantly been opposed to any changes in the pass-through agreement and believes that the city has land-use authority on the periphery. Moreover, she seemed at times amenable to revising the pass-through agreement between the city of Davis and Yolo County.

Now, she appears open to this proposal.

Supervisor Yamada:

“We are in the 21st century, and we need to keep an open mind about how we are going to approach land use and the I-80 corridor from the Bay Area to Sacramento.”

I have long been a supporter of Mariko Yamada and have known her personally since 1998 when she was the office manager at the Democratic Headquarters in Davis where I worked as a field director for Mark Desio who was running for State Senate. It pains me very much to say this, but her position is unacceptable.

She added in Enterprise:

“It’s part of the new direction the county is going in.”

This unfortunately dovetails with her position on a 2,000-unit senior development on Oeste Ranch in the Northwest Quadrant and her view on the pass-through agreement itself.

Yamada at that time was claiming that the county needed to find new ways to generate revenue sources. I cannot disagree with that nor can I disagree with her goal for increasing and improving social services including those to seniors. Counties are at the lowest end of the totem pole when it comes to revenue sources. However, tearing up the pass-through agreement will not solve the problem. The city gives the county far more in the pass-through agreement in order to not develop, than they would get by developing.

The issue here is not about a stem-cell research center. If Mr. Tsakopoulos wants to build a research center, I would be greatly be supportive of it on the UC Davis campus. However, this is basically a means by which to build homes and other development projects on prime agricultural land and that, I cannot support.

In contrast to both McGowan and Yamada, Matt Rexroad expresses my viewpoint:

“The place where the Tsakopoulos family owns land is pretty good farmland… Would it be great to have a research center like this in Yolo County? Yes. Does it have to be located on that parcel? No.”

Mr. Rexroad is a Republican. Guess what? So is Duane Chamberlain. I challenge anyone to find a stronger advocate of protecting farmland on this Board of Supervisors than Mr. Chamberlain. Matt Rexroad may be a right-wing Republican, but he’s far closer in his viewpoint of this issue to me, than I am to the three Democrats on this board.

It seems that the only protectors of land at the county level are Republicans. While the track record of McGowan and Thomson on development is consistent with this type of proposal, the shocker here has been the move by Supervisor Yamada. Prior to January of this year, Yamada along with Chamberlain had been strong defenders against development. Why the quick and huge turn? Is it a matter of running for the Assembly? It is a matter of lack of funding for social services?

At the end of the day, it probably does not matter why. Nevertheless, Yamada has basically cut herself off from her previous base of support and has left herself without a political base as she seeks election against West Sacramento Mayor Christopher Cabaldon.

Prior to writing this article, I gave Supervisor Yamada a heads-up that this was coming and offered her a chance to respond on the record. She did not take me up on that offer.

At this point, I cannot in good conscience defend the actions of someone who I strongly admired last year for being the only publicly elected official to publicly support and champion civilian police oversight, the Buzayans, and the Human Relations Commission. While she remains strong on civil rights and social services, her evolving positions on land-use are indefensible.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

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David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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216 thoughts on “Commentary: Who is left to defend Yolo County Farmland?”

  1. Mike

    I heartily agree with the idea of stem cell facility on the UCD campus. AKT’s property is not appropriate for housing and it would be a mistake to develop a satellite facility so far from the UCD campus. He bought farmland and the highest and best development there is a roadside fruit stand.

  2. Mike

    I heartily agree with the idea of stem cell facility on the UCD campus. AKT’s property is not appropriate for housing and it would be a mistake to develop a satellite facility so far from the UCD campus. He bought farmland and the highest and best development there is a roadside fruit stand.

  3. Mike

    I heartily agree with the idea of stem cell facility on the UCD campus. AKT’s property is not appropriate for housing and it would be a mistake to develop a satellite facility so far from the UCD campus. He bought farmland and the highest and best development there is a roadside fruit stand.

  4. Mike

    I heartily agree with the idea of stem cell facility on the UCD campus. AKT’s property is not appropriate for housing and it would be a mistake to develop a satellite facility so far from the UCD campus. He bought farmland and the highest and best development there is a roadside fruit stand.

  5. davisite

    I disagree with the tone of this commentary which plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers. Several points .. I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground. Stating that you have an “open mind” should never be attacked as heretical. Mariko’s honesty is no match for Rexroad professional spin-meister
    skills. Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life, city finances and infrastructure capacity and CHANGING THE COUNCIL MAJORITY. If we are to have power at the local level, we need to give those local representatives who stood with us
    some ” benefit of the doubt” when we support them for higher office.
    The best strategy is to challenge our PRESENT Supervisor candidates to give us their position on the issues that concern us.

  6. davisite

    I disagree with the tone of this commentary which plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers. Several points .. I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground. Stating that you have an “open mind” should never be attacked as heretical. Mariko’s honesty is no match for Rexroad professional spin-meister
    skills. Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life, city finances and infrastructure capacity and CHANGING THE COUNCIL MAJORITY. If we are to have power at the local level, we need to give those local representatives who stood with us
    some ” benefit of the doubt” when we support them for higher office.
    The best strategy is to challenge our PRESENT Supervisor candidates to give us their position on the issues that concern us.

  7. davisite

    I disagree with the tone of this commentary which plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers. Several points .. I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground. Stating that you have an “open mind” should never be attacked as heretical. Mariko’s honesty is no match for Rexroad professional spin-meister
    skills. Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life, city finances and infrastructure capacity and CHANGING THE COUNCIL MAJORITY. If we are to have power at the local level, we need to give those local representatives who stood with us
    some ” benefit of the doubt” when we support them for higher office.
    The best strategy is to challenge our PRESENT Supervisor candidates to give us their position on the issues that concern us.

  8. davisite

    I disagree with the tone of this commentary which plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers. Several points .. I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground. Stating that you have an “open mind” should never be attacked as heretical. Mariko’s honesty is no match for Rexroad professional spin-meister
    skills. Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life, city finances and infrastructure capacity and CHANGING THE COUNCIL MAJORITY. If we are to have power at the local level, we need to give those local representatives who stood with us
    some ” benefit of the doubt” when we support them for higher office.
    The best strategy is to challenge our PRESENT Supervisor candidates to give us their position on the issues that concern us.

  9. Anonymous

    I totally agree with you about how wrong these developments are for Yolo County. It has been suggested that ATK’s proposal is for 7,500 or more homes right there on farmland along the causeway.

    Not only is that an environmental disaster for those particular parcels of farmland and surrounding area, but it also represents an enormous increase to traffic across the causeway. Even nowadays a rush hour trip across the causeway is backed up from the 113. I don’t want to imagine what impact this would have on that commute!

    Why is Mariko supporting it? I think the answer will come at the end of July when she reports her financing for the State Assembly race. She started this whole thing with the support of real environmentalists and those who have been upset by the current status-quo. However, her reported six-figure fundraising has been coming from two groups: people with business before the county (shakedown), and developers (and developer allies).

    In attempting to look the part for Sacramento insiders, she will be turning he stomach of her only supporters.

  10. Anonymous

    I totally agree with you about how wrong these developments are for Yolo County. It has been suggested that ATK’s proposal is for 7,500 or more homes right there on farmland along the causeway.

    Not only is that an environmental disaster for those particular parcels of farmland and surrounding area, but it also represents an enormous increase to traffic across the causeway. Even nowadays a rush hour trip across the causeway is backed up from the 113. I don’t want to imagine what impact this would have on that commute!

    Why is Mariko supporting it? I think the answer will come at the end of July when she reports her financing for the State Assembly race. She started this whole thing with the support of real environmentalists and those who have been upset by the current status-quo. However, her reported six-figure fundraising has been coming from two groups: people with business before the county (shakedown), and developers (and developer allies).

    In attempting to look the part for Sacramento insiders, she will be turning he stomach of her only supporters.

  11. Anonymous

    I totally agree with you about how wrong these developments are for Yolo County. It has been suggested that ATK’s proposal is for 7,500 or more homes right there on farmland along the causeway.

    Not only is that an environmental disaster for those particular parcels of farmland and surrounding area, but it also represents an enormous increase to traffic across the causeway. Even nowadays a rush hour trip across the causeway is backed up from the 113. I don’t want to imagine what impact this would have on that commute!

    Why is Mariko supporting it? I think the answer will come at the end of July when she reports her financing for the State Assembly race. She started this whole thing with the support of real environmentalists and those who have been upset by the current status-quo. However, her reported six-figure fundraising has been coming from two groups: people with business before the county (shakedown), and developers (and developer allies).

    In attempting to look the part for Sacramento insiders, she will be turning he stomach of her only supporters.

  12. Anonymous

    I totally agree with you about how wrong these developments are for Yolo County. It has been suggested that ATK’s proposal is for 7,500 or more homes right there on farmland along the causeway.

    Not only is that an environmental disaster for those particular parcels of farmland and surrounding area, but it also represents an enormous increase to traffic across the causeway. Even nowadays a rush hour trip across the causeway is backed up from the 113. I don’t want to imagine what impact this would have on that commute!

    Why is Mariko supporting it? I think the answer will come at the end of July when she reports her financing for the State Assembly race. She started this whole thing with the support of real environmentalists and those who have been upset by the current status-quo. However, her reported six-figure fundraising has been coming from two groups: people with business before the county (shakedown), and developers (and developer allies).

    In attempting to look the part for Sacramento insiders, she will be turning he stomach of her only supporters.

  13. Vincente

    Sorry Davisite, I usually agree with you, but on this point, you are 100 percent wrong.

    “plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers.”

    So, opposing this massive development on the edge of the causeway is playing into the hands of those who label all progressives as knee-jerkers? Give me a break.

    “I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground.”

    You sir are wrong. She will be on the BOS for the next year and a half, by that point, the county general plan update with be complete. She will determine whether this project is included or not.

    “Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life”

    Come on Davisite: THIS IS PERIPHERAL SPRAWL, THIS IS THE PASS-THROUGH AGREEMENT. Why are you giving her a pass on this? Moreover Mariko IS our representative, at least some of ours, on the BOS and so this is in our purview to control. And this directly impacts two of the issues that you said we need to focus on.

    The best strategy at this point is to wake her up, because come January 2009, the General Plan will be complete and we will have no more say.

  14. Vincente

    Sorry Davisite, I usually agree with you, but on this point, you are 100 percent wrong.

    “plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers.”

    So, opposing this massive development on the edge of the causeway is playing into the hands of those who label all progressives as knee-jerkers? Give me a break.

    “I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground.”

    You sir are wrong. She will be on the BOS for the next year and a half, by that point, the county general plan update with be complete. She will determine whether this project is included or not.

    “Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life”

    Come on Davisite: THIS IS PERIPHERAL SPRAWL, THIS IS THE PASS-THROUGH AGREEMENT. Why are you giving her a pass on this? Moreover Mariko IS our representative, at least some of ours, on the BOS and so this is in our purview to control. And this directly impacts two of the issues that you said we need to focus on.

    The best strategy at this point is to wake her up, because come January 2009, the General Plan will be complete and we will have no more say.

  15. Vincente

    Sorry Davisite, I usually agree with you, but on this point, you are 100 percent wrong.

    “plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers.”

    So, opposing this massive development on the edge of the causeway is playing into the hands of those who label all progressives as knee-jerkers? Give me a break.

    “I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground.”

    You sir are wrong. She will be on the BOS for the next year and a half, by that point, the county general plan update with be complete. She will determine whether this project is included or not.

    “Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life”

    Come on Davisite: THIS IS PERIPHERAL SPRAWL, THIS IS THE PASS-THROUGH AGREEMENT. Why are you giving her a pass on this? Moreover Mariko IS our representative, at least some of ours, on the BOS and so this is in our purview to control. And this directly impacts two of the issues that you said we need to focus on.

    The best strategy at this point is to wake her up, because come January 2009, the General Plan will be complete and we will have no more say.

  16. Vincente

    Sorry Davisite, I usually agree with you, but on this point, you are 100 percent wrong.

    “plays right into the hands of those who label all “progressives” as rigid, ideological knee-jerk NO-growthers.”

    So, opposing this massive development on the edge of the causeway is playing into the hands of those who label all progressives as knee-jerkers? Give me a break.

    “I don’t think that Mariko will be deciding this issue.. she will,in all likelihood, not be our County Supervisor when and if this hypothetical concept ever gets off the ground.”

    You sir are wrong. She will be on the BOS for the next year and a half, by that point, the county general plan update with be complete. She will determine whether this project is included or not.

    “Davis voter’s attention needs to focus on issues that are within our province to control, namely the pass-through agreement, periperal sprawl that erodes our quality of life”

    Come on Davisite: THIS IS PERIPHERAL SPRAWL, THIS IS THE PASS-THROUGH AGREEMENT. Why are you giving her a pass on this? Moreover Mariko IS our representative, at least some of ours, on the BOS and so this is in our purview to control. And this directly impacts two of the issues that you said we need to focus on.

    The best strategy at this point is to wake her up, because come January 2009, the General Plan will be complete and we will have no more say.

  17. Anonymous

    DAVASITE, YOU’RE A MARIKO TOADIE. IT’S NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

    POWER CORRUPTS, AND I GUESS SEEKING THE ASSEMBLY PRE-CORRUPTS.

  18. Anonymous

    DAVASITE, YOU’RE A MARIKO TOADIE. IT’S NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

    POWER CORRUPTS, AND I GUESS SEEKING THE ASSEMBLY PRE-CORRUPTS.

  19. Anonymous

    DAVASITE, YOU’RE A MARIKO TOADIE. IT’S NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

    POWER CORRUPTS, AND I GUESS SEEKING THE ASSEMBLY PRE-CORRUPTS.

  20. Anonymous

    DAVASITE, YOU’RE A MARIKO TOADIE. IT’S NOT JUST WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE, BUT WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

    POWER CORRUPTS, AND I GUESS SEEKING THE ASSEMBLY PRE-CORRUPTS.

  21. Anonymous

    Get over yourself! Davis is a great place to live and you can’t keep it to yourself much longer. Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one. Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

  22. Anonymous

    Get over yourself! Davis is a great place to live and you can’t keep it to yourself much longer. Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one. Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

  23. Anonymous

    Get over yourself! Davis is a great place to live and you can’t keep it to yourself much longer. Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one. Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

  24. Anonymous

    Get over yourself! Davis is a great place to live and you can’t keep it to yourself much longer. Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one. Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

  25. Brian in Davis

    Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one.

    Before it gets started it’s a bad one, by any measure.

    Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

    The Bee article clearly noted that the purpose was for the facility to be placed along the I-80 corridor between the Bay Area and Sacramento. If it’s not associated with UCD, it should be located within an urbanized city. If it is, then it should be located on campus, not elsewhere in Yolo County. There are some areas of research that may require a remote location (e.g. agriculture, marine biology @ Bodega Bay, etc.) I don’t think there’s a compelling argument this is one of those cicumstances considering there was a statewide application for various metro regions to host the state-funded stem cell research center. As the article noted San Francisco won.

    Finally, there is no need for additional housing/commercial development to pursue a public or private sector stem cell research facility. And it certainly isn’t necessary to do it leapfrog leapfrog fashion in that location. It’s merely an employment use just like any other. Other housing development proposals would integrate much more seamlessly into the existing Davis footprint.

  26. Brian in Davis

    Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one.

    Before it gets started it’s a bad one, by any measure.

    Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

    The Bee article clearly noted that the purpose was for the facility to be placed along the I-80 corridor between the Bay Area and Sacramento. If it’s not associated with UCD, it should be located within an urbanized city. If it is, then it should be located on campus, not elsewhere in Yolo County. There are some areas of research that may require a remote location (e.g. agriculture, marine biology @ Bodega Bay, etc.) I don’t think there’s a compelling argument this is one of those cicumstances considering there was a statewide application for various metro regions to host the state-funded stem cell research center. As the article noted San Francisco won.

    Finally, there is no need for additional housing/commercial development to pursue a public or private sector stem cell research facility. And it certainly isn’t necessary to do it leapfrog leapfrog fashion in that location. It’s merely an employment use just like any other. Other housing development proposals would integrate much more seamlessly into the existing Davis footprint.

  27. Brian in Davis

    Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one.

    Before it gets started it’s a bad one, by any measure.

    Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

    The Bee article clearly noted that the purpose was for the facility to be placed along the I-80 corridor between the Bay Area and Sacramento. If it’s not associated with UCD, it should be located within an urbanized city. If it is, then it should be located on campus, not elsewhere in Yolo County. There are some areas of research that may require a remote location (e.g. agriculture, marine biology @ Bodega Bay, etc.) I don’t think there’s a compelling argument this is one of those cicumstances considering there was a statewide application for various metro regions to host the state-funded stem cell research center. As the article noted San Francisco won.

    Finally, there is no need for additional housing/commercial development to pursue a public or private sector stem cell research facility. And it certainly isn’t necessary to do it leapfrog leapfrog fashion in that location. It’s merely an employment use just like any other. Other housing development proposals would integrate much more seamlessly into the existing Davis footprint.

  28. Brian in Davis

    Either accept a good housing plan or be stuck with a bad one.

    Before it gets started it’s a bad one, by any measure.

    Also, the stem-cell research center may not be assoicated with UCD. It could be it’s own facility which may not mean that it needs to be on the UCD campus.
    Did you knwo that UC’s have facilities all over the state in places like Tahoe?

    The Bee article clearly noted that the purpose was for the facility to be placed along the I-80 corridor between the Bay Area and Sacramento. If it’s not associated with UCD, it should be located within an urbanized city. If it is, then it should be located on campus, not elsewhere in Yolo County. There are some areas of research that may require a remote location (e.g. agriculture, marine biology @ Bodega Bay, etc.) I don’t think there’s a compelling argument this is one of those cicumstances considering there was a statewide application for various metro regions to host the state-funded stem cell research center. As the article noted San Francisco won.

    Finally, there is no need for additional housing/commercial development to pursue a public or private sector stem cell research facility. And it certainly isn’t necessary to do it leapfrog leapfrog fashion in that location. It’s merely an employment use just like any other. Other housing development proposals would integrate much more seamlessly into the existing Davis footprint.

  29. Anonymous

    A. she has no business having an open mind on this proposal, she should reject it out of hand on a number of grounds.

    B. She doesn’t have an open mind on this. She is supporting it. She said so herself in her next statement that the county is changing the way it does business. This is the same thing she said in January before forcing joint-study areas for peripheral growth on the Davis city edge.

  30. Anonymous

    A. she has no business having an open mind on this proposal, she should reject it out of hand on a number of grounds.

    B. She doesn’t have an open mind on this. She is supporting it. She said so herself in her next statement that the county is changing the way it does business. This is the same thing she said in January before forcing joint-study areas for peripheral growth on the Davis city edge.

  31. Anonymous

    A. she has no business having an open mind on this proposal, she should reject it out of hand on a number of grounds.

    B. She doesn’t have an open mind on this. She is supporting it. She said so herself in her next statement that the county is changing the way it does business. This is the same thing she said in January before forcing joint-study areas for peripheral growth on the Davis city edge.

  32. Anonymous

    A. she has no business having an open mind on this proposal, she should reject it out of hand on a number of grounds.

    B. She doesn’t have an open mind on this. She is supporting it. She said so herself in her next statement that the county is changing the way it does business. This is the same thing she said in January before forcing joint-study areas for peripheral growth on the Davis city edge.

  33. brian in davis

    Why not wait and see how Mariko’s statement about an “open mind” translates into policy before jumping all over her?

    Because:

    1. This is AKT’s idea and a legacy he wants to leave behind. Nobody else suggested it.

    2. It’s AKT’s land that he wants to dedicate.

    3. We know where AKT’s land is located that he wants to develop.

    4. AKT always expects development rights for land dedications.

    What’s the common thread here? AKT

    Does it really matter what the policy will be? Unless he owns and will give up land that is much more logical to develop there isn’t much benefit of the doubt here. Better yet, if he were really sincere, he would just donate the money and have his name associated with the institution.

  34. brian in davis

    Why not wait and see how Mariko’s statement about an “open mind” translates into policy before jumping all over her?

    Because:

    1. This is AKT’s idea and a legacy he wants to leave behind. Nobody else suggested it.

    2. It’s AKT’s land that he wants to dedicate.

    3. We know where AKT’s land is located that he wants to develop.

    4. AKT always expects development rights for land dedications.

    What’s the common thread here? AKT

    Does it really matter what the policy will be? Unless he owns and will give up land that is much more logical to develop there isn’t much benefit of the doubt here. Better yet, if he were really sincere, he would just donate the money and have his name associated with the institution.

  35. brian in davis

    Why not wait and see how Mariko’s statement about an “open mind” translates into policy before jumping all over her?

    Because:

    1. This is AKT’s idea and a legacy he wants to leave behind. Nobody else suggested it.

    2. It’s AKT’s land that he wants to dedicate.

    3. We know where AKT’s land is located that he wants to develop.

    4. AKT always expects development rights for land dedications.

    What’s the common thread here? AKT

    Does it really matter what the policy will be? Unless he owns and will give up land that is much more logical to develop there isn’t much benefit of the doubt here. Better yet, if he were really sincere, he would just donate the money and have his name associated with the institution.

  36. brian in davis

    Why not wait and see how Mariko’s statement about an “open mind” translates into policy before jumping all over her?

    Because:

    1. This is AKT’s idea and a legacy he wants to leave behind. Nobody else suggested it.

    2. It’s AKT’s land that he wants to dedicate.

    3. We know where AKT’s land is located that he wants to develop.

    4. AKT always expects development rights for land dedications.

    What’s the common thread here? AKT

    Does it really matter what the policy will be? Unless he owns and will give up land that is much more logical to develop there isn’t much benefit of the doubt here. Better yet, if he were really sincere, he would just donate the money and have his name associated with the institution.

  37. davisite

    It appears that the County will make a policy decision that residential development in Yolo is essential for its financial solvency and that this will be reflected in some fashion in its new General Plan. The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning. Rexroad’s soundbite is his usual demogoguary rather than a responsible Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

  38. davisite

    It appears that the County will make a policy decision that residential development in Yolo is essential for its financial solvency and that this will be reflected in some fashion in its new General Plan. The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning. Rexroad’s soundbite is his usual demogoguary rather than a responsible Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

  39. davisite

    It appears that the County will make a policy decision that residential development in Yolo is essential for its financial solvency and that this will be reflected in some fashion in its new General Plan. The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning. Rexroad’s soundbite is his usual demogoguary rather than a responsible Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

  40. davisite

    It appears that the County will make a policy decision that residential development in Yolo is essential for its financial solvency and that this will be reflected in some fashion in its new General Plan. The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning. Rexroad’s soundbite is his usual demogoguary rather than a responsible Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

  41. brian in davis

    Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

    Refer to my point #1. Now, find out where else AKT owns land. Those are “all the options”. Without AKT, this idea doesn’t surface.

    Yolo County housing needs can be discussed without AKT’s involvement or influence.

  42. brian in davis

    Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

    Refer to my point #1. Now, find out where else AKT owns land. Those are “all the options”. Without AKT, this idea doesn’t surface.

    Yolo County housing needs can be discussed without AKT’s involvement or influence.

  43. brian in davis

    Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

    Refer to my point #1. Now, find out where else AKT owns land. Those are “all the options”. Without AKT, this idea doesn’t surface.

    Yolo County housing needs can be discussed without AKT’s involvement or influence.

  44. brian in davis

    Supervisor’s public position,this early in the “game”, which is to say that you have an “open mind”,are gathering as much information as possible and considering all options.

    Refer to my point #1. Now, find out where else AKT owns land. Those are “all the options”. Without AKT, this idea doesn’t surface.

    Yolo County housing needs can be discussed without AKT’s involvement or influence.

  45. Vincente

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

  46. Vincente

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

  47. Vincente

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

  48. Vincente

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

  49. progressive observer

    Mariko Yamada will most certainly have influence on this issue. Yamada is chairwoman of the board of supervisors who sets the agenda and is presiding over the county’s current update of its new general plan. The county’s new 20 year general plan is scheduled to be approved later this year or in early 2008. This major event will occur on Yamada’s watch as a supervisor. Yamada is having great influence right now on this issue because all of the major growth being proposed and discussed is within her district. She takes pride in announcing and lecturing her constituents in a condescending manner “that we are in the 21st Century”, that the county’s current pass-through-agreements with the City of Davis do not “pencil out” and all of the proposed growth “is part of the new direction the county is going in.” The fact that Yamada has promoted “study areas” for development on the periphery of Davis which include the Oeste northwest quadrant, the old Covell Village site, the antiquated sites east of Davis and now the proposed development of 2,800 acres east of Davis promoted by Angelo Tsakopoulos is in keeping with Yamada’s new change of direction on land use. Mariko Yamada wants money for the county and she wants money for herself to campaign for the assembly funded by developers and she wants it now. She is out to accomplish this—her constituent’s best interests be damned.

  50. progressive observer

    Mariko Yamada will most certainly have influence on this issue. Yamada is chairwoman of the board of supervisors who sets the agenda and is presiding over the county’s current update of its new general plan. The county’s new 20 year general plan is scheduled to be approved later this year or in early 2008. This major event will occur on Yamada’s watch as a supervisor. Yamada is having great influence right now on this issue because all of the major growth being proposed and discussed is within her district. She takes pride in announcing and lecturing her constituents in a condescending manner “that we are in the 21st Century”, that the county’s current pass-through-agreements with the City of Davis do not “pencil out” and all of the proposed growth “is part of the new direction the county is going in.” The fact that Yamada has promoted “study areas” for development on the periphery of Davis which include the Oeste northwest quadrant, the old Covell Village site, the antiquated sites east of Davis and now the proposed development of 2,800 acres east of Davis promoted by Angelo Tsakopoulos is in keeping with Yamada’s new change of direction on land use. Mariko Yamada wants money for the county and she wants money for herself to campaign for the assembly funded by developers and she wants it now. She is out to accomplish this—her constituent’s best interests be damned.

  51. progressive observer

    Mariko Yamada will most certainly have influence on this issue. Yamada is chairwoman of the board of supervisors who sets the agenda and is presiding over the county’s current update of its new general plan. The county’s new 20 year general plan is scheduled to be approved later this year or in early 2008. This major event will occur on Yamada’s watch as a supervisor. Yamada is having great influence right now on this issue because all of the major growth being proposed and discussed is within her district. She takes pride in announcing and lecturing her constituents in a condescending manner “that we are in the 21st Century”, that the county’s current pass-through-agreements with the City of Davis do not “pencil out” and all of the proposed growth “is part of the new direction the county is going in.” The fact that Yamada has promoted “study areas” for development on the periphery of Davis which include the Oeste northwest quadrant, the old Covell Village site, the antiquated sites east of Davis and now the proposed development of 2,800 acres east of Davis promoted by Angelo Tsakopoulos is in keeping with Yamada’s new change of direction on land use. Mariko Yamada wants money for the county and she wants money for herself to campaign for the assembly funded by developers and she wants it now. She is out to accomplish this—her constituent’s best interests be damned.

  52. progressive observer

    Mariko Yamada will most certainly have influence on this issue. Yamada is chairwoman of the board of supervisors who sets the agenda and is presiding over the county’s current update of its new general plan. The county’s new 20 year general plan is scheduled to be approved later this year or in early 2008. This major event will occur on Yamada’s watch as a supervisor. Yamada is having great influence right now on this issue because all of the major growth being proposed and discussed is within her district. She takes pride in announcing and lecturing her constituents in a condescending manner “that we are in the 21st Century”, that the county’s current pass-through-agreements with the City of Davis do not “pencil out” and all of the proposed growth “is part of the new direction the county is going in.” The fact that Yamada has promoted “study areas” for development on the periphery of Davis which include the Oeste northwest quadrant, the old Covell Village site, the antiquated sites east of Davis and now the proposed development of 2,800 acres east of Davis promoted by Angelo Tsakopoulos is in keeping with Yamada’s new change of direction on land use. Mariko Yamada wants money for the county and she wants money for herself to campaign for the assembly funded by developers and she wants it now. She is out to accomplish this—her constituent’s best interests be damned.

  53. brian in davis

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

    May or may not be true. Housing may not pay out, but the housing would of course drive the accompanying commercial development which would, possibly even without the pass-through. We also don’t know for certainty whether it would jeopardize the pass-through. It’s starting to come together now that we know there’s some properties with freeway frontage. Wonder what would be developed there? ;>)

  54. brian in davis

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

    May or may not be true. Housing may not pay out, but the housing would of course drive the accompanying commercial development which would, possibly even without the pass-through. We also don’t know for certainty whether it would jeopardize the pass-through. It’s starting to come together now that we know there’s some properties with freeway frontage. Wonder what would be developed there? ;>)

  55. brian in davis

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

    May or may not be true. Housing may not pay out, but the housing would of course drive the accompanying commercial development which would, possibly even without the pass-through. We also don’t know for certainty whether it would jeopardize the pass-through. It’s starting to come together now that we know there’s some properties with freeway frontage. Wonder what would be developed there? ;>)

  56. brian in davis

    Housing does not generate revenue and in fact if Davis decided to end the pass-through agreement that would be the death blow to revenue for the county.

    May or may not be true. Housing may not pay out, but the housing would of course drive the accompanying commercial development which would, possibly even without the pass-through. We also don’t know for certainty whether it would jeopardize the pass-through. It’s starting to come together now that we know there’s some properties with freeway frontage. Wonder what would be developed there? ;>)

  57. Sitting at Mishkas

    The stem cell facility is just total cover for the housing development – it isn’t even worth debating.

    If it wasn’t stem cells it could be facility for bunny rabbits and panda bears, or a home for disabled toads… it really doesn’t matter, it is just an attempt to create political cover for politicians who are dying to sellout to campaign funders.

    Who can be against stem cells, panda bears and bunny rabbits? Come on!!! This is a transparent rouse.

    We would do a better service to our fellow Davisites (the “davisite” on this blog excluded) if we just called this what it is: A 20,000 person, 7500+ homes, rural sprawl housing development.

    And I don’t know where an “open mind” helps us with that!

  58. Sitting at Mishkas

    The stem cell facility is just total cover for the housing development – it isn’t even worth debating.

    If it wasn’t stem cells it could be facility for bunny rabbits and panda bears, or a home for disabled toads… it really doesn’t matter, it is just an attempt to create political cover for politicians who are dying to sellout to campaign funders.

    Who can be against stem cells, panda bears and bunny rabbits? Come on!!! This is a transparent rouse.

    We would do a better service to our fellow Davisites (the “davisite” on this blog excluded) if we just called this what it is: A 20,000 person, 7500+ homes, rural sprawl housing development.

    And I don’t know where an “open mind” helps us with that!

  59. Sitting at Mishkas

    The stem cell facility is just total cover for the housing development – it isn’t even worth debating.

    If it wasn’t stem cells it could be facility for bunny rabbits and panda bears, or a home for disabled toads… it really doesn’t matter, it is just an attempt to create political cover for politicians who are dying to sellout to campaign funders.

    Who can be against stem cells, panda bears and bunny rabbits? Come on!!! This is a transparent rouse.

    We would do a better service to our fellow Davisites (the “davisite” on this blog excluded) if we just called this what it is: A 20,000 person, 7500+ homes, rural sprawl housing development.

    And I don’t know where an “open mind” helps us with that!

  60. Sitting at Mishkas

    The stem cell facility is just total cover for the housing development – it isn’t even worth debating.

    If it wasn’t stem cells it could be facility for bunny rabbits and panda bears, or a home for disabled toads… it really doesn’t matter, it is just an attempt to create political cover for politicians who are dying to sellout to campaign funders.

    Who can be against stem cells, panda bears and bunny rabbits? Come on!!! This is a transparent rouse.

    We would do a better service to our fellow Davisites (the “davisite” on this blog excluded) if we just called this what it is: A 20,000 person, 7500+ homes, rural sprawl housing development.

    And I don’t know where an “open mind” helps us with that!

  61. davisite

    Brian in Davis…your list is absolutely on-point. My choice of the word “policy” was unclear as I was thinking of HER ultimate conclusion on the merits of this concept.

  62. davisite

    Brian in Davis…your list is absolutely on-point. My choice of the word “policy” was unclear as I was thinking of HER ultimate conclusion on the merits of this concept.

  63. davisite

    Brian in Davis…your list is absolutely on-point. My choice of the word “policy” was unclear as I was thinking of HER ultimate conclusion on the merits of this concept.

  64. davisite

    Brian in Davis…your list is absolutely on-point. My choice of the word “policy” was unclear as I was thinking of HER ultimate conclusion on the merits of this concept.

  65. Anonymous

    Housing does not generate revenue

    Maybe not for the community… but it sure does raise campaign revenue!!

    That is the point everyone should be seeing in brilliant flashing lights.

    I would pay to see the look on Mariko’s face if someone asked her to send back all her checks from developers and people who have county contracts.

    In person she is great, but we have to be very concerned when she’s changing directions this early. Most legislators take at least a few months to renege on all their campaign messaging.

  66. Anonymous

    Housing does not generate revenue

    Maybe not for the community… but it sure does raise campaign revenue!!

    That is the point everyone should be seeing in brilliant flashing lights.

    I would pay to see the look on Mariko’s face if someone asked her to send back all her checks from developers and people who have county contracts.

    In person she is great, but we have to be very concerned when she’s changing directions this early. Most legislators take at least a few months to renege on all their campaign messaging.

  67. Anonymous

    Housing does not generate revenue

    Maybe not for the community… but it sure does raise campaign revenue!!

    That is the point everyone should be seeing in brilliant flashing lights.

    I would pay to see the look on Mariko’s face if someone asked her to send back all her checks from developers and people who have county contracts.

    In person she is great, but we have to be very concerned when she’s changing directions this early. Most legislators take at least a few months to renege on all their campaign messaging.

  68. Anonymous

    Housing does not generate revenue

    Maybe not for the community… but it sure does raise campaign revenue!!

    That is the point everyone should be seeing in brilliant flashing lights.

    I would pay to see the look on Mariko’s face if someone asked her to send back all her checks from developers and people who have county contracts.

    In person she is great, but we have to be very concerned when she’s changing directions this early. Most legislators take at least a few months to renege on all their campaign messaging.

  69. davisite

    My final observation on this thread.
    I am again struck by the heat and careful and lengthy anonymous “progressive” postings that are surprisingly hyperbolic in their venom towards Mariko Yamada who is personally well-known and has EARNED the respect of her Davis community. If many of these are, as I suspect, “dirty tricks” of the Cabaldon campaign, it is a strong statement recognizing the rapidly growing political influence of the Peoples Vanguard of Davis.

  70. davisite

    My final observation on this thread.
    I am again struck by the heat and careful and lengthy anonymous “progressive” postings that are surprisingly hyperbolic in their venom towards Mariko Yamada who is personally well-known and has EARNED the respect of her Davis community. If many of these are, as I suspect, “dirty tricks” of the Cabaldon campaign, it is a strong statement recognizing the rapidly growing political influence of the Peoples Vanguard of Davis.

  71. davisite

    My final observation on this thread.
    I am again struck by the heat and careful and lengthy anonymous “progressive” postings that are surprisingly hyperbolic in their venom towards Mariko Yamada who is personally well-known and has EARNED the respect of her Davis community. If many of these are, as I suspect, “dirty tricks” of the Cabaldon campaign, it is a strong statement recognizing the rapidly growing political influence of the Peoples Vanguard of Davis.

  72. davisite

    My final observation on this thread.
    I am again struck by the heat and careful and lengthy anonymous “progressive” postings that are surprisingly hyperbolic in their venom towards Mariko Yamada who is personally well-known and has EARNED the respect of her Davis community. If many of these are, as I suspect, “dirty tricks” of the Cabaldon campaign, it is a strong statement recognizing the rapidly growing political influence of the Peoples Vanguard of Davis.

  73. darnell

    Davisite said:

    The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning.

    Has Bob gained that much weight or did you mean Dunnigan?

  74. darnell

    Davisite said:

    The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning.

    Has Bob gained that much weight or did you mean Dunnigan?

  75. darnell

    Davisite said:

    The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning.

    Has Bob gained that much weight or did you mean Dunnigan?

  76. darnell

    Davisite said:

    The concept under discussion(and it is only that) is one of several that are on the table including more peripheral sprawl for Davis and growth around Dunning.

    Has Bob gained that much weight or did you mean Dunnigan?

  77. Richard

    Two interesting things:

    (1) about the proposed development itself, which has gotten somewhat lost in the discussion, note that, because AKT is providing the stem cell research center as its concession to the city and county, there will probably be few, if any, others, no affordable housing, no reduced densities, etc., no expansive habitat preservation measures, because all the money generated by the development that would have subsidized these things will go towards the research center, in other words, the development outside the research center will be ruthlessly dedicated to profit maximalization

    (2) the paradox here, as with all proposed development projects in the region, is that the probability of any of them being built anytime soon is slight, as we are about to experience the mother of all credit crunches as a result of the drastically increased insurance requirements for RBMS (residential backed mortgage securities), the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation, and we are closer to the beginning of this, not the end

  78. Anonymous

    Hmmm….developer wants to develop land, but doesn’t have a bats chance, comes up with some novel idea to provide land for a research center to sweeten the deal, local political representatives agree to meet with the developer to hear him out (no plan has been submitted), public are outraged and upset, local political representatives are tarnished and lose their voter support, more growth friendly politicians are elected in their place.

    Doesn’t this sound like something that happened with another developer with land on the edge of Davis….Gedapo…Gidarosa….Gidaro! ?

  79. Richard

    Two interesting things:

    (1) about the proposed development itself, which has gotten somewhat lost in the discussion, note that, because AKT is providing the stem cell research center as its concession to the city and county, there will probably be few, if any, others, no affordable housing, no reduced densities, etc., no expansive habitat preservation measures, because all the money generated by the development that would have subsidized these things will go towards the research center, in other words, the development outside the research center will be ruthlessly dedicated to profit maximalization

    (2) the paradox here, as with all proposed development projects in the region, is that the probability of any of them being built anytime soon is slight, as we are about to experience the mother of all credit crunches as a result of the drastically increased insurance requirements for RBMS (residential backed mortgage securities), the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation, and we are closer to the beginning of this, not the end

  80. Anonymous

    Hmmm….developer wants to develop land, but doesn’t have a bats chance, comes up with some novel idea to provide land for a research center to sweeten the deal, local political representatives agree to meet with the developer to hear him out (no plan has been submitted), public are outraged and upset, local political representatives are tarnished and lose their voter support, more growth friendly politicians are elected in their place.

    Doesn’t this sound like something that happened with another developer with land on the edge of Davis….Gedapo…Gidarosa….Gidaro! ?

  81. Richard

    Two interesting things:

    (1) about the proposed development itself, which has gotten somewhat lost in the discussion, note that, because AKT is providing the stem cell research center as its concession to the city and county, there will probably be few, if any, others, no affordable housing, no reduced densities, etc., no expansive habitat preservation measures, because all the money generated by the development that would have subsidized these things will go towards the research center, in other words, the development outside the research center will be ruthlessly dedicated to profit maximalization

    (2) the paradox here, as with all proposed development projects in the region, is that the probability of any of them being built anytime soon is slight, as we are about to experience the mother of all credit crunches as a result of the drastically increased insurance requirements for RBMS (residential backed mortgage securities), the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation, and we are closer to the beginning of this, not the end

  82. Anonymous

    Hmmm….developer wants to develop land, but doesn’t have a bats chance, comes up with some novel idea to provide land for a research center to sweeten the deal, local political representatives agree to meet with the developer to hear him out (no plan has been submitted), public are outraged and upset, local political representatives are tarnished and lose their voter support, more growth friendly politicians are elected in their place.

    Doesn’t this sound like something that happened with another developer with land on the edge of Davis….Gedapo…Gidarosa….Gidaro! ?

  83. Richard

    Two interesting things:

    (1) about the proposed development itself, which has gotten somewhat lost in the discussion, note that, because AKT is providing the stem cell research center as its concession to the city and county, there will probably be few, if any, others, no affordable housing, no reduced densities, etc., no expansive habitat preservation measures, because all the money generated by the development that would have subsidized these things will go towards the research center, in other words, the development outside the research center will be ruthlessly dedicated to profit maximalization

    (2) the paradox here, as with all proposed development projects in the region, is that the probability of any of them being built anytime soon is slight, as we are about to experience the mother of all credit crunches as a result of the drastically increased insurance requirements for RBMS (residential backed mortgage securities), the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation, and we are closer to the beginning of this, not the end

  84. Anonymous

    Hmmm….developer wants to develop land, but doesn’t have a bats chance, comes up with some novel idea to provide land for a research center to sweeten the deal, local political representatives agree to meet with the developer to hear him out (no plan has been submitted), public are outraged and upset, local political representatives are tarnished and lose their voter support, more growth friendly politicians are elected in their place.

    Doesn’t this sound like something that happened with another developer with land on the edge of Davis….Gedapo…Gidarosa….Gidaro! ?

  85. Anonymous

    the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation

    Totally agree. I don’t understand why Elk Grove (see editorial in today’s Bee), Davis and other places are considering adding even more housing when they can’t seem to sell the houses that are out there now, and many are being foreclosed upon.

  86. Anonymous

    the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation

    Totally agree. I don’t understand why Elk Grove (see editorial in today’s Bee), Davis and other places are considering adding even more housing when they can’t seem to sell the houses that are out there now, and many are being foreclosed upon.

  87. Anonymous

    the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation

    Totally agree. I don’t understand why Elk Grove (see editorial in today’s Bee), Davis and other places are considering adding even more housing when they can’t seem to sell the houses that are out there now, and many are being foreclosed upon.

  88. Anonymous

    the easy money for home purchases is gone, just as a flood of them is coming onto the market, with the Sacramento area being one of worst impacted markets in the nation

    Totally agree. I don’t understand why Elk Grove (see editorial in today’s Bee), Davis and other places are considering adding even more housing when they can’t seem to sell the houses that are out there now, and many are being foreclosed upon.

  89. progressive observer

    Davisite:

    Instead of sticking to the issue at hand, the discussion of Mariko Yamada’s positions on peripheral growth, land development and urban sprawl and her public statements quoted in yesterday’s SacBee and the Davis Enterprise you disparage others who have different opinions and you question their motives for criticizing her.

    Mariko Yamada has rapidly squandered the support and respect that she had earned in the community. It is breath taking how determined she has become to oppose the land use principles of the people she represents here in Davis—people who supported her for election to supervisor and were inclined to support her for the assembly—until she did a 180 degree turn around on protecting Davis and Yolo County from urban sprawl. By Yamada’s promotion of the discussion of peripheral development projects she is promoting urban sprawl. By not outright rejecting a 2,800 acre project on the eastern edge of Davis Yamada sends the message she is open to that type of development. She describes her conduct as just “discussions” and “keeping an open mind.” Keeping an open mind? We have elected our city councilmembers and our county supervisors to protect us from urban sprawl, protect us from destroying prime Ag land, to keep all development within the cities and maintain as much of the remaining open space free of development. We have held countless elections in which this has been the key public policy issue discussed and we have elected people to uphold these principles. Mariko Yamada is going in another direction and her own words and actions prove it.

    You continue to give Yamada “the benefit of the doubt”. But, unfortunately for many of us there is no doubt left to consider.

  90. progressive observer

    Davisite:

    Instead of sticking to the issue at hand, the discussion of Mariko Yamada’s positions on peripheral growth, land development and urban sprawl and her public statements quoted in yesterday’s SacBee and the Davis Enterprise you disparage others who have different opinions and you question their motives for criticizing her.

    Mariko Yamada has rapidly squandered the support and respect that she had earned in the community. It is breath taking how determined she has become to oppose the land use principles of the people she represents here in Davis—people who supported her for election to supervisor and were inclined to support her for the assembly—until she did a 180 degree turn around on protecting Davis and Yolo County from urban sprawl. By Yamada’s promotion of the discussion of peripheral development projects she is promoting urban sprawl. By not outright rejecting a 2,800 acre project on the eastern edge of Davis Yamada sends the message she is open to that type of development. She describes her conduct as just “discussions” and “keeping an open mind.” Keeping an open mind? We have elected our city councilmembers and our county supervisors to protect us from urban sprawl, protect us from destroying prime Ag land, to keep all development within the cities and maintain as much of the remaining open space free of development. We have held countless elections in which this has been the key public policy issue discussed and we have elected people to uphold these principles. Mariko Yamada is going in another direction and her own words and actions prove it.

    You continue to give Yamada “the benefit of the doubt”. But, unfortunately for many of us there is no doubt left to consider.

  91. progressive observer

    Davisite:

    Instead of sticking to the issue at hand, the discussion of Mariko Yamada’s positions on peripheral growth, land development and urban sprawl and her public statements quoted in yesterday’s SacBee and the Davis Enterprise you disparage others who have different opinions and you question their motives for criticizing her.

    Mariko Yamada has rapidly squandered the support and respect that she had earned in the community. It is breath taking how determined she has become to oppose the land use principles of the people she represents here in Davis—people who supported her for election to supervisor and were inclined to support her for the assembly—until she did a 180 degree turn around on protecting Davis and Yolo County from urban sprawl. By Yamada’s promotion of the discussion of peripheral development projects she is promoting urban sprawl. By not outright rejecting a 2,800 acre project on the eastern edge of Davis Yamada sends the message she is open to that type of development. She describes her conduct as just “discussions” and “keeping an open mind.” Keeping an open mind? We have elected our city councilmembers and our county supervisors to protect us from urban sprawl, protect us from destroying prime Ag land, to keep all development within the cities and maintain as much of the remaining open space free of development. We have held countless elections in which this has been the key public policy issue discussed and we have elected people to uphold these principles. Mariko Yamada is going in another direction and her own words and actions prove it.

    You continue to give Yamada “the benefit of the doubt”. But, unfortunately for many of us there is no doubt left to consider.

  92. progressive observer

    Davisite:

    Instead of sticking to the issue at hand, the discussion of Mariko Yamada’s positions on peripheral growth, land development and urban sprawl and her public statements quoted in yesterday’s SacBee and the Davis Enterprise you disparage others who have different opinions and you question their motives for criticizing her.

    Mariko Yamada has rapidly squandered the support and respect that she had earned in the community. It is breath taking how determined she has become to oppose the land use principles of the people she represents here in Davis—people who supported her for election to supervisor and were inclined to support her for the assembly—until she did a 180 degree turn around on protecting Davis and Yolo County from urban sprawl. By Yamada’s promotion of the discussion of peripheral development projects she is promoting urban sprawl. By not outright rejecting a 2,800 acre project on the eastern edge of Davis Yamada sends the message she is open to that type of development. She describes her conduct as just “discussions” and “keeping an open mind.” Keeping an open mind? We have elected our city councilmembers and our county supervisors to protect us from urban sprawl, protect us from destroying prime Ag land, to keep all development within the cities and maintain as much of the remaining open space free of development. We have held countless elections in which this has been the key public policy issue discussed and we have elected people to uphold these principles. Mariko Yamada is going in another direction and her own words and actions prove it.

    You continue to give Yamada “the benefit of the doubt”. But, unfortunately for many of us there is no doubt left to consider.

  93. 無名 - wu ming

    the stem cell lab is a total trojan horse, and ought to be located on UCD campus or in some city limits, not smack dab in the middle of the countryside. building on good farmland in the floodplain is daft.

    as for the “only republicans are good on sprawl” line, i wonder what impact wolk’s floodplain bills would have on this sort of development.

    and yeah, the housing market is busting, but we’ve also (perversely) got a major shortage of affordable housing in this state. as the market tanks and credit dries up, a huge % of californians will still not have acess to homeownership, until prices fall a long, long way down. it’s going to take a major cratering of those prices before many californians have a shot at living in this state.

    we have a dire need for new housing, but it should be located in dense, built-up urban cores near transportation networks. downtown davis, downtown woodland, west sac, and downtown sacramento should be building up, not out.

  94. 無名 - wu ming

    the stem cell lab is a total trojan horse, and ought to be located on UCD campus or in some city limits, not smack dab in the middle of the countryside. building on good farmland in the floodplain is daft.

    as for the “only republicans are good on sprawl” line, i wonder what impact wolk’s floodplain bills would have on this sort of development.

    and yeah, the housing market is busting, but we’ve also (perversely) got a major shortage of affordable housing in this state. as the market tanks and credit dries up, a huge % of californians will still not have acess to homeownership, until prices fall a long, long way down. it’s going to take a major cratering of those prices before many californians have a shot at living in this state.

    we have a dire need for new housing, but it should be located in dense, built-up urban cores near transportation networks. downtown davis, downtown woodland, west sac, and downtown sacramento should be building up, not out.

  95. 無名 - wu ming

    the stem cell lab is a total trojan horse, and ought to be located on UCD campus or in some city limits, not smack dab in the middle of the countryside. building on good farmland in the floodplain is daft.

    as for the “only republicans are good on sprawl” line, i wonder what impact wolk’s floodplain bills would have on this sort of development.

    and yeah, the housing market is busting, but we’ve also (perversely) got a major shortage of affordable housing in this state. as the market tanks and credit dries up, a huge % of californians will still not have acess to homeownership, until prices fall a long, long way down. it’s going to take a major cratering of those prices before many californians have a shot at living in this state.

    we have a dire need for new housing, but it should be located in dense, built-up urban cores near transportation networks. downtown davis, downtown woodland, west sac, and downtown sacramento should be building up, not out.

  96. 無名 - wu ming

    the stem cell lab is a total trojan horse, and ought to be located on UCD campus or in some city limits, not smack dab in the middle of the countryside. building on good farmland in the floodplain is daft.

    as for the “only republicans are good on sprawl” line, i wonder what impact wolk’s floodplain bills would have on this sort of development.

    and yeah, the housing market is busting, but we’ve also (perversely) got a major shortage of affordable housing in this state. as the market tanks and credit dries up, a huge % of californians will still not have acess to homeownership, until prices fall a long, long way down. it’s going to take a major cratering of those prices before many californians have a shot at living in this state.

    we have a dire need for new housing, but it should be located in dense, built-up urban cores near transportation networks. downtown davis, downtown woodland, west sac, and downtown sacramento should be building up, not out.

  97. Curious

    If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.

  98. Curious

    If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.

  99. Curious

    If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.

  100. Curious

    If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.

  101. Anonymous

    There is really little need for “dirty tricks” as Davis progressive “leaders” appear quite willing to allow their ego-trips and personal vendettas against perceived affronts
    do the job for them.

  102. Anonymous

    There is really little need for “dirty tricks” as Davis progressive “leaders” appear quite willing to allow their ego-trips and personal vendettas against perceived affronts
    do the job for them.

  103. Anonymous

    There is really little need for “dirty tricks” as Davis progressive “leaders” appear quite willing to allow their ego-trips and personal vendettas against perceived affronts
    do the job for them.

  104. Anonymous

    There is really little need for “dirty tricks” as Davis progressive “leaders” appear quite willing to allow their ego-trips and personal vendettas against perceived affronts
    do the job for them.

  105. Curious

    Can the County BOS majority act to change the General Plan zoning designation at any time and authorize development? If so, this General Plan bruhaha is largely a fiction and the make-up of future BOS is the deciding factor.

  106. Curious

    Can the County BOS majority act to change the General Plan zoning designation at any time and authorize development? If so, this General Plan bruhaha is largely a fiction and the make-up of future BOS is the deciding factor.

  107. Curious

    Can the County BOS majority act to change the General Plan zoning designation at any time and authorize development? If so, this General Plan bruhaha is largely a fiction and the make-up of future BOS is the deciding factor.

  108. Curious

    Can the County BOS majority act to change the General Plan zoning designation at any time and authorize development? If so, this General Plan bruhaha is largely a fiction and the make-up of future BOS is the deciding factor.

  109. No on Xer

    Curious… I can’t recite chapter and verse but that certainly was the threat, loud and clear, that Supervisor Helen Thomsen made,i.e., that the BOS had that power concerning the County property to become Covell Village.

  110. No on Xer

    Curious… I can’t recite chapter and verse but that certainly was the threat, loud and clear, that Supervisor Helen Thomsen made,i.e., that the BOS had that power concerning the County property to become Covell Village.

  111. No on Xer

    Curious… I can’t recite chapter and verse but that certainly was the threat, loud and clear, that Supervisor Helen Thomsen made,i.e., that the BOS had that power concerning the County property to become Covell Village.

  112. No on Xer

    Curious… I can’t recite chapter and verse but that certainly was the threat, loud and clear, that Supervisor Helen Thomsen made,i.e., that the BOS had that power concerning the County property to become Covell Village.

  113. Anonymous

    As others have said, the “stem cell center” plonked in the middle of farmland is a transparent, laughable ruse. Does Tsakapoulos really think the people are that stupid? If he wants to endow a research lab, there is plenty of space to do so along Second Street in Davis; near the UC Davis Med Center in Sacramento; or through a gift to the campus.

    It would make no sense to have a research lab located halfway between Davis and Sac. The researchers, who would probably have some kind of adjunct appointment to UC Davis as a sweetener to attract them, would constantly be driving back and forth.

    But then, this isn’t a serious proposal. It’s just lipstick on a pig.

  114. Anonymous

    As others have said, the “stem cell center” plonked in the middle of farmland is a transparent, laughable ruse. Does Tsakapoulos really think the people are that stupid? If he wants to endow a research lab, there is plenty of space to do so along Second Street in Davis; near the UC Davis Med Center in Sacramento; or through a gift to the campus.

    It would make no sense to have a research lab located halfway between Davis and Sac. The researchers, who would probably have some kind of adjunct appointment to UC Davis as a sweetener to attract them, would constantly be driving back and forth.

    But then, this isn’t a serious proposal. It’s just lipstick on a pig.

  115. Anonymous

    As others have said, the “stem cell center” plonked in the middle of farmland is a transparent, laughable ruse. Does Tsakapoulos really think the people are that stupid? If he wants to endow a research lab, there is plenty of space to do so along Second Street in Davis; near the UC Davis Med Center in Sacramento; or through a gift to the campus.

    It would make no sense to have a research lab located halfway between Davis and Sac. The researchers, who would probably have some kind of adjunct appointment to UC Davis as a sweetener to attract them, would constantly be driving back and forth.

    But then, this isn’t a serious proposal. It’s just lipstick on a pig.

  116. Anonymous

    As others have said, the “stem cell center” plonked in the middle of farmland is a transparent, laughable ruse. Does Tsakapoulos really think the people are that stupid? If he wants to endow a research lab, there is plenty of space to do so along Second Street in Davis; near the UC Davis Med Center in Sacramento; or through a gift to the campus.

    It would make no sense to have a research lab located halfway between Davis and Sac. The researchers, who would probably have some kind of adjunct appointment to UC Davis as a sweetener to attract them, would constantly be driving back and forth.

    But then, this isn’t a serious proposal. It’s just lipstick on a pig.

  117. Anonymous

    “If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.”

    This is very interesting…no actual development, just a change of designation on paper, increased collateral with which to secure bigger loans for development projects elsewhere. Nice work if you can get it.
    –Brian Orr

  118. Anonymous

    “If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.”

    This is very interesting…no actual development, just a change of designation on paper, increased collateral with which to secure bigger loans for development projects elsewhere. Nice work if you can get it.
    –Brian Orr

  119. Anonymous

    “If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.”

    This is very interesting…no actual development, just a change of designation on paper, increased collateral with which to secure bigger loans for development projects elsewhere. Nice work if you can get it.
    –Brian Orr

  120. Anonymous

    “If a property has its County General Plan designation changed from agriculture, is the new “value” as potential development property now available to secure other loans? This would make the General Plan change advantageous to Tskaopoulos without any real prospect for development approval in the forseeable future.”

    This is very interesting…no actual development, just a change of designation on paper, increased collateral with which to secure bigger loans for development projects elsewhere. Nice work if you can get it.
    –Brian Orr

  121. Anonymous

    Tsakaopoulos, Angleides, Rosenberg, Yamada anyone get the connection? No wonder Rexroad is opposed.

    Still how many of you that dismiss this out of hand are home owners? All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand. This blog recently was against development at 3rd and b. Now its against another peripheral proposal. So what is it for? I’ll tell you what I’m for, more housing so that you don’t need to pay $500,000 for a shack. AKT is responsible for Elk Grove and Natomas and they have lots of problems but what is the draw, homes that are reasonably enough priced so that working families can afford them. If someone is going to support that then I’m all for them.

  122. Anonymous

    Tsakaopoulos, Angleides, Rosenberg, Yamada anyone get the connection? No wonder Rexroad is opposed.

    Still how many of you that dismiss this out of hand are home owners? All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand. This blog recently was against development at 3rd and b. Now its against another peripheral proposal. So what is it for? I’ll tell you what I’m for, more housing so that you don’t need to pay $500,000 for a shack. AKT is responsible for Elk Grove and Natomas and they have lots of problems but what is the draw, homes that are reasonably enough priced so that working families can afford them. If someone is going to support that then I’m all for them.

  123. Anonymous

    Tsakaopoulos, Angleides, Rosenberg, Yamada anyone get the connection? No wonder Rexroad is opposed.

    Still how many of you that dismiss this out of hand are home owners? All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand. This blog recently was against development at 3rd and b. Now its against another peripheral proposal. So what is it for? I’ll tell you what I’m for, more housing so that you don’t need to pay $500,000 for a shack. AKT is responsible for Elk Grove and Natomas and they have lots of problems but what is the draw, homes that are reasonably enough priced so that working families can afford them. If someone is going to support that then I’m all for them.

  124. Anonymous

    Tsakaopoulos, Angleides, Rosenberg, Yamada anyone get the connection? No wonder Rexroad is opposed.

    Still how many of you that dismiss this out of hand are home owners? All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand. This blog recently was against development at 3rd and b. Now its against another peripheral proposal. So what is it for? I’ll tell you what I’m for, more housing so that you don’t need to pay $500,000 for a shack. AKT is responsible for Elk Grove and Natomas and they have lots of problems but what is the draw, homes that are reasonably enough priced so that working families can afford them. If someone is going to support that then I’m all for them.

  125. The Insider

    AKT tatics are simple, push a huge project and get 25 percent of what you first wanted to get approved. They have done this in roseville and folsom over and over again. Will davis fall for the trick???

  126. The Insider

    AKT tatics are simple, push a huge project and get 25 percent of what you first wanted to get approved. They have done this in roseville and folsom over and over again. Will davis fall for the trick???

  127. The Insider

    AKT tatics are simple, push a huge project and get 25 percent of what you first wanted to get approved. They have done this in roseville and folsom over and over again. Will davis fall for the trick???

  128. The Insider

    AKT tatics are simple, push a huge project and get 25 percent of what you first wanted to get approved. They have done this in roseville and folsom over and over again. Will davis fall for the trick???

  129. Richard

    All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand.

    You obviously haven’t been reading the newspapers lately.

    –Richard Estes

  130. Richard

    All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand.

    You obviously haven’t been reading the newspapers lately.

    –Richard Estes

  131. Richard

    All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand.

    You obviously haven’t been reading the newspapers lately.

    –Richard Estes

  132. Richard

    All this development is being proposed because there is pent up demand.

    You obviously haven’t been reading the newspapers lately.

    –Richard Estes

  133. Doug Paul Davis

    I can sympathize with the point that anonymous 3:33 makes, but I think he or she misses some crucial points that need to be reiterated.

    First: who should control growth on the edge of cities–the city or the county? This is a process issue as much as anything.

    Second: where should we grow? Again, this is a determination that should be made by our city not the county.

    Third: should we protect prime ag land?

    Fourth: should we build in a flood plain?

    It’s easy to say we need housing. It is easy to say, this blog opposes all growth. The problem is that we need to have processes in place–and we do, it is a pass-through agreement. The city not the county should determine growth on the city edge. Period.

  134. Doug Paul Davis

    I can sympathize with the point that anonymous 3:33 makes, but I think he or she misses some crucial points that need to be reiterated.

    First: who should control growth on the edge of cities–the city or the county? This is a process issue as much as anything.

    Second: where should we grow? Again, this is a determination that should be made by our city not the county.

    Third: should we protect prime ag land?

    Fourth: should we build in a flood plain?

    It’s easy to say we need housing. It is easy to say, this blog opposes all growth. The problem is that we need to have processes in place–and we do, it is a pass-through agreement. The city not the county should determine growth on the city edge. Period.

  135. Doug Paul Davis

    I can sympathize with the point that anonymous 3:33 makes, but I think he or she misses some crucial points that need to be reiterated.

    First: who should control growth on the edge of cities–the city or the county? This is a process issue as much as anything.

    Second: where should we grow? Again, this is a determination that should be made by our city not the county.

    Third: should we protect prime ag land?

    Fourth: should we build in a flood plain?

    It’s easy to say we need housing. It is easy to say, this blog opposes all growth. The problem is that we need to have processes in place–and we do, it is a pass-through agreement. The city not the county should determine growth on the city edge. Period.

  136. Doug Paul Davis

    I can sympathize with the point that anonymous 3:33 makes, but I think he or she misses some crucial points that need to be reiterated.

    First: who should control growth on the edge of cities–the city or the county? This is a process issue as much as anything.

    Second: where should we grow? Again, this is a determination that should be made by our city not the county.

    Third: should we protect prime ag land?

    Fourth: should we build in a flood plain?

    It’s easy to say we need housing. It is easy to say, this blog opposes all growth. The problem is that we need to have processes in place–and we do, it is a pass-through agreement. The city not the county should determine growth on the city edge. Period.

  137. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous 3:33 –

    i agree about the pent-up demand and the need for a significant amount more housing that average californians can actually afford, but this project, natomas and elk grove are not the right way to go about it. building in the floodplain is a terrible idea, and will cost us all a lot more when those houses flood or the levees break.

  138. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous 3:33 –

    i agree about the pent-up demand and the need for a significant amount more housing that average californians can actually afford, but this project, natomas and elk grove are not the right way to go about it. building in the floodplain is a terrible idea, and will cost us all a lot more when those houses flood or the levees break.

  139. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous 3:33 –

    i agree about the pent-up demand and the need for a significant amount more housing that average californians can actually afford, but this project, natomas and elk grove are not the right way to go about it. building in the floodplain is a terrible idea, and will cost us all a lot more when those houses flood or the levees break.

  140. 無名 - wu ming

    anonymous 3:33 –

    i agree about the pent-up demand and the need for a significant amount more housing that average californians can actually afford, but this project, natomas and elk grove are not the right way to go about it. building in the floodplain is a terrible idea, and will cost us all a lot more when those houses flood or the levees break.

  141. Anonymous

    This is the worst area to grow Davis. How would these people feel any identity with the community of Davis at all – too far to bike to community events, too far for kids to bike to school. It woulod be a separate community. If he wants to build a research center, fine. Submit the proposal. If it comes with a south Davis size development, forget it. How would we pay for the increase in city services out there – police, fire, schools, and WATER! Mace Ranch has already caused flooding problems at Howatt Ranch which is why the City now owns that property. Why would we open ourselves up to further problems in that direction? Building directly behind a levy is just asking for trouble. We could put the research center on the Hunt Wesson property that is already zoned for it. He bought farm land. He should farm it and stop dreaming.

  142. Anonymous

    This is the worst area to grow Davis. How would these people feel any identity with the community of Davis at all – too far to bike to community events, too far for kids to bike to school. It woulod be a separate community. If he wants to build a research center, fine. Submit the proposal. If it comes with a south Davis size development, forget it. How would we pay for the increase in city services out there – police, fire, schools, and WATER! Mace Ranch has already caused flooding problems at Howatt Ranch which is why the City now owns that property. Why would we open ourselves up to further problems in that direction? Building directly behind a levy is just asking for trouble. We could put the research center on the Hunt Wesson property that is already zoned for it. He bought farm land. He should farm it and stop dreaming.

  143. Anonymous

    This is the worst area to grow Davis. How would these people feel any identity with the community of Davis at all – too far to bike to community events, too far for kids to bike to school. It woulod be a separate community. If he wants to build a research center, fine. Submit the proposal. If it comes with a south Davis size development, forget it. How would we pay for the increase in city services out there – police, fire, schools, and WATER! Mace Ranch has already caused flooding problems at Howatt Ranch which is why the City now owns that property. Why would we open ourselves up to further problems in that direction? Building directly behind a levy is just asking for trouble. We could put the research center on the Hunt Wesson property that is already zoned for it. He bought farm land. He should farm it and stop dreaming.

  144. Anonymous

    This is the worst area to grow Davis. How would these people feel any identity with the community of Davis at all – too far to bike to community events, too far for kids to bike to school. It woulod be a separate community. If he wants to build a research center, fine. Submit the proposal. If it comes with a south Davis size development, forget it. How would we pay for the increase in city services out there – police, fire, schools, and WATER! Mace Ranch has already caused flooding problems at Howatt Ranch which is why the City now owns that property. Why would we open ourselves up to further problems in that direction? Building directly behind a levy is just asking for trouble. We could put the research center on the Hunt Wesson property that is already zoned for it. He bought farm land. He should farm it and stop dreaming.

  145. 無名 - wu ming

    as for the news articles on the real estate bust, richard, i would posit that there is a difference between people wanting to be able to own a house of their own on the one hand, and buyers being able to actually pay for an exorbitantly-priced house on the market (or, additionally, to be able to pay one’s mortgage). the demand is collapsing at the prices offered, but in an absolute sense there are millions of people in california who would buy a house if it were even remotely within their means to do so.

    the news coverage is from a market perspective, but that is not the only angle from which to observe the bust.

  146. 無名 - wu ming

    as for the news articles on the real estate bust, richard, i would posit that there is a difference between people wanting to be able to own a house of their own on the one hand, and buyers being able to actually pay for an exorbitantly-priced house on the market (or, additionally, to be able to pay one’s mortgage). the demand is collapsing at the prices offered, but in an absolute sense there are millions of people in california who would buy a house if it were even remotely within their means to do so.

    the news coverage is from a market perspective, but that is not the only angle from which to observe the bust.

  147. 無名 - wu ming

    as for the news articles on the real estate bust, richard, i would posit that there is a difference between people wanting to be able to own a house of their own on the one hand, and buyers being able to actually pay for an exorbitantly-priced house on the market (or, additionally, to be able to pay one’s mortgage). the demand is collapsing at the prices offered, but in an absolute sense there are millions of people in california who would buy a house if it were even remotely within their means to do so.

    the news coverage is from a market perspective, but that is not the only angle from which to observe the bust.

  148. 無名 - wu ming

    as for the news articles on the real estate bust, richard, i would posit that there is a difference between people wanting to be able to own a house of their own on the one hand, and buyers being able to actually pay for an exorbitantly-priced house on the market (or, additionally, to be able to pay one’s mortgage). the demand is collapsing at the prices offered, but in an absolute sense there are millions of people in california who would buy a house if it were even remotely within their means to do so.

    the news coverage is from a market perspective, but that is not the only angle from which to observe the bust.

  149. Anonymous

    This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.

  150. Anonymous

    This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.

  151. Anonymous

    This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.

  152. Anonymous

    This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.

  153. Richard

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    –Richard Estes

  154. Richard

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    –Richard Estes

  155. Richard

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    –Richard Estes

  156. Richard

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    –Richard Estes

  157. progressive observer

    7:42 AM Anonymous said…
    “This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.”

    The community’s reaction is not “hysteria”. The community’s reaction is one of alarm, anger and frustration and it is justified. Yamada says this potential project reflects, “a part of the new direction the county is going in.” The news that a new proposal to develop 2,800 acres of prime ag land east of Davis whether by the county or annexation to the city is alarming.

    Measure J was intended as a last resort put in place by the voters to stop elected officials from shoving down people’s throats unwanted massive development. But to oppose any development by Measure J takes enormous amounts of time and energy not to mention money. The defeat of Covell Village is a good example. Why should the voters of Davis have to go through that again? Should the people not be able to rely on their councilmembers and supervisors to stop these projects long before a Measure J vote is necessary? The Davis City Council and Supervisors Helen Thomson and Mariko Yamada who represent Davis voters should outright oppose this development.

    We do not need our county supervisors promoting peripheral development and playing “the political game of ‘chicken’” with our councilmembers at the expense of the community they both represent.

    I agree Davis voters need to “stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal” and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development and not sell out to the developer interests for campaign cash.

  158. progressive observer

    7:42 AM Anonymous said…
    “This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.”

    The community’s reaction is not “hysteria”. The community’s reaction is one of alarm, anger and frustration and it is justified. Yamada says this potential project reflects, “a part of the new direction the county is going in.” The news that a new proposal to develop 2,800 acres of prime ag land east of Davis whether by the county or annexation to the city is alarming.

    Measure J was intended as a last resort put in place by the voters to stop elected officials from shoving down people’s throats unwanted massive development. But to oppose any development by Measure J takes enormous amounts of time and energy not to mention money. The defeat of Covell Village is a good example. Why should the voters of Davis have to go through that again? Should the people not be able to rely on their councilmembers and supervisors to stop these projects long before a Measure J vote is necessary? The Davis City Council and Supervisors Helen Thomson and Mariko Yamada who represent Davis voters should outright oppose this development.

    We do not need our county supervisors promoting peripheral development and playing “the political game of ‘chicken’” with our councilmembers at the expense of the community they both represent.

    I agree Davis voters need to “stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal” and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development and not sell out to the developer interests for campaign cash.

  159. progressive observer

    7:42 AM Anonymous said…
    “This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.”

    The community’s reaction is not “hysteria”. The community’s reaction is one of alarm, anger and frustration and it is justified. Yamada says this potential project reflects, “a part of the new direction the county is going in.” The news that a new proposal to develop 2,800 acres of prime ag land east of Davis whether by the county or annexation to the city is alarming.

    Measure J was intended as a last resort put in place by the voters to stop elected officials from shoving down people’s throats unwanted massive development. But to oppose any development by Measure J takes enormous amounts of time and energy not to mention money. The defeat of Covell Village is a good example. Why should the voters of Davis have to go through that again? Should the people not be able to rely on their councilmembers and supervisors to stop these projects long before a Measure J vote is necessary? The Davis City Council and Supervisors Helen Thomson and Mariko Yamada who represent Davis voters should outright oppose this development.

    We do not need our county supervisors promoting peripheral development and playing “the political game of ‘chicken’” with our councilmembers at the expense of the community they both represent.

    I agree Davis voters need to “stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal” and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development and not sell out to the developer interests for campaign cash.

  160. progressive observer

    7:42 AM Anonymous said…
    “This hysteria is without real substance.. Measure J gives the Davis voter the opportunity to reject any annexation.
    The County then would not proceed because the costs would exceed the gains. The hyping of this Joint-Study is an extension of the political game of “chicken” between the Davis and the County over Davis peripheral development. Davis just needs to stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal.”

    The community’s reaction is not “hysteria”. The community’s reaction is one of alarm, anger and frustration and it is justified. Yamada says this potential project reflects, “a part of the new direction the county is going in.” The news that a new proposal to develop 2,800 acres of prime ag land east of Davis whether by the county or annexation to the city is alarming.

    Measure J was intended as a last resort put in place by the voters to stop elected officials from shoving down people’s throats unwanted massive development. But to oppose any development by Measure J takes enormous amounts of time and energy not to mention money. The defeat of Covell Village is a good example. Why should the voters of Davis have to go through that again? Should the people not be able to rely on their councilmembers and supervisors to stop these projects long before a Measure J vote is necessary? The Davis City Council and Supervisors Helen Thomson and Mariko Yamada who represent Davis voters should outright oppose this development.

    We do not need our county supervisors promoting peripheral development and playing “the political game of ‘chicken’” with our councilmembers at the expense of the community they both represent.

    I agree Davis voters need to “stand their ground, ELECT Council reps whom you trust and PROTECT Measure J when it comes up for renewal” and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development and not sell out to the developer interests for campaign cash.

  161. davisite

    “…and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development…”

    Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.
    If the proper ground rules are developed that guarantee a full and impartial airing of the arguments on all sides of the issues, I see no problem with a Joint Study format to give as much information as possible to the Davis voters. The Joint Study concept does nothing to erode the Pass-Through agreement nor does it give the County any more authority than it already has with regard to development on Davis’ periphery.

  162. davisite

    “…and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development…”

    Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.
    If the proper ground rules are developed that guarantee a full and impartial airing of the arguments on all sides of the issues, I see no problem with a Joint Study format to give as much information as possible to the Davis voters. The Joint Study concept does nothing to erode the Pass-Through agreement nor does it give the County any more authority than it already has with regard to development on Davis’ periphery.

  163. davisite

    “…and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development…”

    Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.
    If the proper ground rules are developed that guarantee a full and impartial airing of the arguments on all sides of the issues, I see no problem with a Joint Study format to give as much information as possible to the Davis voters. The Joint Study concept does nothing to erode the Pass-Through agreement nor does it give the County any more authority than it already has with regard to development on Davis’ periphery.

  164. davisite

    “…and I would add ELECT county supervisors and assembly candidates who will defend against this type of development…”

    Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.
    If the proper ground rules are developed that guarantee a full and impartial airing of the arguments on all sides of the issues, I see no problem with a Joint Study format to give as much information as possible to the Davis voters. The Joint Study concept does nothing to erode the Pass-Through agreement nor does it give the County any more authority than it already has with regard to development on Davis’ periphery.

  165. Anonymous

    ” It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council.”

    Post-2008 election Davis City Council and Board of Supervisors, most likely.

  166. Anonymous

    ” It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council.”

    Post-2008 election Davis City Council and Board of Supervisors, most likely.

  167. Anonymous

    ” It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council.”

    Post-2008 election Davis City Council and Board of Supervisors, most likely.

  168. Anonymous

    ” It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council.”

    Post-2008 election Davis City Council and Board of Supervisors, most likely.

  169. Anonymous

    The city of Davis, like most others in the US, can’t balance its budget and provide the services that its citizens want without fees that come from development and other extraneous sources. Cities like Davis cannot thrive without growth. All of you want to preserve prime Ag land, and for why??…. in a state that doesn’t have enough water for its people? You want to see what happens to cities and towns that don’t enjoy job and population growth? Take a quick hike to Nebraska, Iowa and Indiana. They have a lot of prime farmland there too…but all the people left there because there are no jobs. No stem cell research centers trying locate with the farmers. We don’t have enough water for people here because the farmers FLOOD irrigate thousands of acres (how much water do we lose with evapotranspiration?) with the most precious resource that this state has. We’d be better off as a state and as a country to concentrate agricultural crops in states that actually get enough rain to replenish aquifers so that people and agriculture can live in harmony. In places like Davis, we should reduce ag, save our water and grow our cities with vibrant new businesses and industries, provide reasonably priced houseing for all people that want to live here.

    One final fact – The pass through agreement — it will end soon, or Davis citizens will pay a lot more than $2MM — the county will ultimately decide that it can make much more than 2MM by allowing contolled growth in the areas under its domain…in the end, Davis will only control the land within its city limits…

  170. Anonymous

    The city of Davis, like most others in the US, can’t balance its budget and provide the services that its citizens want without fees that come from development and other extraneous sources. Cities like Davis cannot thrive without growth. All of you want to preserve prime Ag land, and for why??…. in a state that doesn’t have enough water for its people? You want to see what happens to cities and towns that don’t enjoy job and population growth? Take a quick hike to Nebraska, Iowa and Indiana. They have a lot of prime farmland there too…but all the people left there because there are no jobs. No stem cell research centers trying locate with the farmers. We don’t have enough water for people here because the farmers FLOOD irrigate thousands of acres (how much water do we lose with evapotranspiration?) with the most precious resource that this state has. We’d be better off as a state and as a country to concentrate agricultural crops in states that actually get enough rain to replenish aquifers so that people and agriculture can live in harmony. In places like Davis, we should reduce ag, save our water and grow our cities with vibrant new businesses and industries, provide reasonably priced houseing for all people that want to live here.

    One final fact – The pass through agreement — it will end soon, or Davis citizens will pay a lot more than $2MM — the county will ultimately decide that it can make much more than 2MM by allowing contolled growth in the areas under its domain…in the end, Davis will only control the land within its city limits…

  171. Anonymous

    The city of Davis, like most others in the US, can’t balance its budget and provide the services that its citizens want without fees that come from development and other extraneous sources. Cities like Davis cannot thrive without growth. All of you want to preserve prime Ag land, and for why??…. in a state that doesn’t have enough water for its people? You want to see what happens to cities and towns that don’t enjoy job and population growth? Take a quick hike to Nebraska, Iowa and Indiana. They have a lot of prime farmland there too…but all the people left there because there are no jobs. No stem cell research centers trying locate with the farmers. We don’t have enough water for people here because the farmers FLOOD irrigate thousands of acres (how much water do we lose with evapotranspiration?) with the most precious resource that this state has. We’d be better off as a state and as a country to concentrate agricultural crops in states that actually get enough rain to replenish aquifers so that people and agriculture can live in harmony. In places like Davis, we should reduce ag, save our water and grow our cities with vibrant new businesses and industries, provide reasonably priced houseing for all people that want to live here.

    One final fact – The pass through agreement — it will end soon, or Davis citizens will pay a lot more than $2MM — the county will ultimately decide that it can make much more than 2MM by allowing contolled growth in the areas under its domain…in the end, Davis will only control the land within its city limits…

  172. Anonymous

    The city of Davis, like most others in the US, can’t balance its budget and provide the services that its citizens want without fees that come from development and other extraneous sources. Cities like Davis cannot thrive without growth. All of you want to preserve prime Ag land, and for why??…. in a state that doesn’t have enough water for its people? You want to see what happens to cities and towns that don’t enjoy job and population growth? Take a quick hike to Nebraska, Iowa and Indiana. They have a lot of prime farmland there too…but all the people left there because there are no jobs. No stem cell research centers trying locate with the farmers. We don’t have enough water for people here because the farmers FLOOD irrigate thousands of acres (how much water do we lose with evapotranspiration?) with the most precious resource that this state has. We’d be better off as a state and as a country to concentrate agricultural crops in states that actually get enough rain to replenish aquifers so that people and agriculture can live in harmony. In places like Davis, we should reduce ag, save our water and grow our cities with vibrant new businesses and industries, provide reasonably priced houseing for all people that want to live here.

    One final fact – The pass through agreement — it will end soon, or Davis citizens will pay a lot more than $2MM — the county will ultimately decide that it can make much more than 2MM by allowing contolled growth in the areas under its domain…in the end, Davis will only control the land within its city limits…

  173. 無名 - wu ming

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners (or potential future homeowners). the refusal to build (or allow for) adequate levels of density is why most west-coast cities are so astoundingly unaffordable, compared with urban centers in other parts of the country. you get suburban sprawl because of density limits, and when limits on lateral growth are also set, you get absurdities like million dollar suburban ranch houses located in the middle of the central valley.

    while outside bubble-chasing investment and second homes and the like are one big part of all of this, inadequate housing stock born of decades of bad urban and suburban planning are also a major root. i totally agree that very few communities in this state will allow the sort of levels of density to be built that would allow most people to afford housing at todays’ rates. it’s the bitter fruit of prop. 13 and the “if we don’t build it, maybe they won’t come” mentality of the 1970s that we’re still mired in, IMO.

  174. 無名 - wu ming

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners (or potential future homeowners). the refusal to build (or allow for) adequate levels of density is why most west-coast cities are so astoundingly unaffordable, compared with urban centers in other parts of the country. you get suburban sprawl because of density limits, and when limits on lateral growth are also set, you get absurdities like million dollar suburban ranch houses located in the middle of the central valley.

    while outside bubble-chasing investment and second homes and the like are one big part of all of this, inadequate housing stock born of decades of bad urban and suburban planning are also a major root. i totally agree that very few communities in this state will allow the sort of levels of density to be built that would allow most people to afford housing at todays’ rates. it’s the bitter fruit of prop. 13 and the “if we don’t build it, maybe they won’t come” mentality of the 1970s that we’re still mired in, IMO.

  175. 無名 - wu ming

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners (or potential future homeowners). the refusal to build (or allow for) adequate levels of density is why most west-coast cities are so astoundingly unaffordable, compared with urban centers in other parts of the country. you get suburban sprawl because of density limits, and when limits on lateral growth are also set, you get absurdities like million dollar suburban ranch houses located in the middle of the central valley.

    while outside bubble-chasing investment and second homes and the like are one big part of all of this, inadequate housing stock born of decades of bad urban and suburban planning are also a major root. i totally agree that very few communities in this state will allow the sort of levels of density to be built that would allow most people to afford housing at todays’ rates. it’s the bitter fruit of prop. 13 and the “if we don’t build it, maybe they won’t come” mentality of the 1970s that we’re still mired in, IMO.

  176. 無名 - wu ming

    yes, Wu Ming, you are correct, people in California would be cheaper houses, if offered, as they would anywhere, but what cities do you know that are going to accept the densities required to build housing in the $200,000 to $400,000 range?

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners (or potential future homeowners). the refusal to build (or allow for) adequate levels of density is why most west-coast cities are so astoundingly unaffordable, compared with urban centers in other parts of the country. you get suburban sprawl because of density limits, and when limits on lateral growth are also set, you get absurdities like million dollar suburban ranch houses located in the middle of the central valley.

    while outside bubble-chasing investment and second homes and the like are one big part of all of this, inadequate housing stock born of decades of bad urban and suburban planning are also a major root. i totally agree that very few communities in this state will allow the sort of levels of density to be built that would allow most people to afford housing at todays’ rates. it’s the bitter fruit of prop. 13 and the “if we don’t build it, maybe they won’t come” mentality of the 1970s that we’re still mired in, IMO.

  177. progressive observer

    davisite said…

    “Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.”
    7:13 PM

    Davisite, you are wrong. Supervisor Mariko Yamada is having a say right now. Yamada is using her position now as a county supervisor to publicly promote development projects all around Davis. She will vote, during her term as supervisor on the county’s new 20-year general plan in which any number of these projects can be included and zoning changes can take place. She will vote on the elements within the general plan that set forth growth goals and how growth will occur to guide our county and future boards of supervisors. So, to use your logic, you would “demand” our future supervisors be held accountable, but not our current supervisors including Yamada?

    For many months I have followed your postings in which you constantly demand that the citizens hold their elected officials accountable. Now after a series of public pronouncements over the past six months by Supervisor Yamada in which she states an interest in massive development projects at the Northwest Quadrant/Osete site, the old Covell Village site and now the new Tskaopoulos 2,800 acre proposal you do not feel she should be held accountable, but instead promoted for election to the assembly? I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.

  178. progressive observer

    davisite said…

    “Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.”
    7:13 PM

    Davisite, you are wrong. Supervisor Mariko Yamada is having a say right now. Yamada is using her position now as a county supervisor to publicly promote development projects all around Davis. She will vote, during her term as supervisor on the county’s new 20-year general plan in which any number of these projects can be included and zoning changes can take place. She will vote on the elements within the general plan that set forth growth goals and how growth will occur to guide our county and future boards of supervisors. So, to use your logic, you would “demand” our future supervisors be held accountable, but not our current supervisors including Yamada?

    For many months I have followed your postings in which you constantly demand that the citizens hold their elected officials accountable. Now after a series of public pronouncements over the past six months by Supervisor Yamada in which she states an interest in massive development projects at the Northwest Quadrant/Osete site, the old Covell Village site and now the new Tskaopoulos 2,800 acre proposal you do not feel she should be held accountable, but instead promoted for election to the assembly? I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.

  179. progressive observer

    davisite said…

    “Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.”
    7:13 PM

    Davisite, you are wrong. Supervisor Mariko Yamada is having a say right now. Yamada is using her position now as a county supervisor to publicly promote development projects all around Davis. She will vote, during her term as supervisor on the county’s new 20-year general plan in which any number of these projects can be included and zoning changes can take place. She will vote on the elements within the general plan that set forth growth goals and how growth will occur to guide our county and future boards of supervisors. So, to use your logic, you would “demand” our future supervisors be held accountable, but not our current supervisors including Yamada?

    For many months I have followed your postings in which you constantly demand that the citizens hold their elected officials accountable. Now after a series of public pronouncements over the past six months by Supervisor Yamada in which she states an interest in massive development projects at the Northwest Quadrant/Osete site, the old Covell Village site and now the new Tskaopoulos 2,800 acre proposal you do not feel she should be held accountable, but instead promoted for election to the assembly? I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.

  180. progressive observer

    davisite said…

    “Neither Assembly candidate Yamada nor Cabaldon will have any say on these issues. It will be in the hands of our County BOS and our City Council. We need to demand that our current BOS candidates make clear their position on the issues being discussed here.”
    7:13 PM

    Davisite, you are wrong. Supervisor Mariko Yamada is having a say right now. Yamada is using her position now as a county supervisor to publicly promote development projects all around Davis. She will vote, during her term as supervisor on the county’s new 20-year general plan in which any number of these projects can be included and zoning changes can take place. She will vote on the elements within the general plan that set forth growth goals and how growth will occur to guide our county and future boards of supervisors. So, to use your logic, you would “demand” our future supervisors be held accountable, but not our current supervisors including Yamada?

    For many months I have followed your postings in which you constantly demand that the citizens hold their elected officials accountable. Now after a series of public pronouncements over the past six months by Supervisor Yamada in which she states an interest in massive development projects at the Northwest Quadrant/Osete site, the old Covell Village site and now the new Tskaopoulos 2,800 acre proposal you do not feel she should be held accountable, but instead promoted for election to the assembly? I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.

  181. Richard

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners . . .

    indeed, but DPD came out against the bill that would do this, taking the League’s line and refusing to even consider the prospect that the bill could be amended to address his concerns

    –Richard Estes

  182. Richard

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners . . .

    indeed, but DPD came out against the bill that would do this, taking the League’s line and refusing to even consider the prospect that the bill could be amended to address his concerns

    –Richard Estes

  183. Richard

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners . . .

    indeed, but DPD came out against the bill that would do this, taking the League’s line and refusing to even consider the prospect that the bill could be amended to address his concerns

    –Richard Estes

  184. Richard

    that’s exactly why the pressure has to come from the state, richard, because homeowners who already have their houses tend not to care too much for the needs of non-homeowners . . .

    indeed, but DPD came out against the bill that would do this, taking the League’s line and refusing to even consider the prospect that the bill could be amended to address his concerns

    –Richard Estes

  185. davisite

    Progressive Observer… by say, I was referring to a VOTE. Yamada will either be sitting at home or in an Assembly seat.. neither will give her a vote on which if any development to pursue.

  186. davisite

    Progressive Observer… by say, I was referring to a VOTE. Yamada will either be sitting at home or in an Assembly seat.. neither will give her a vote on which if any development to pursue.

  187. davisite

    Progressive Observer… by say, I was referring to a VOTE. Yamada will either be sitting at home or in an Assembly seat.. neither will give her a vote on which if any development to pursue.

  188. davisite

    Progressive Observer… by say, I was referring to a VOTE. Yamada will either be sitting at home or in an Assembly seat.. neither will give her a vote on which if any development to pursue.

  189. smart chick

    “I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.”

    Davisite is not smart. That’s all you have to know.

  190. smart chick

    “I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.”

    Davisite is not smart. That’s all you have to know.

  191. smart chick

    “I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.”

    Davisite is not smart. That’s all you have to know.

  192. smart chick

    “I believe your support for Yamada’s assembly candidacy has clouded your judgment.”

    Davisite is not smart. That’s all you have to know.

  193. Anonymous

    Go to the BOS meeting july 17 at 9.am where the general plan update is discussed also see the march 27 general plan update and minutes . I told 1 guy then, what Angelo wants Angelo gets. Usually by waiting until the last minute with a general pla n change when most people are tired of sitting through meetings and the opposition has faded away

  194. Anonymous

    Go to the BOS meeting july 17 at 9.am where the general plan update is discussed also see the march 27 general plan update and minutes . I told 1 guy then, what Angelo wants Angelo gets. Usually by waiting until the last minute with a general pla n change when most people are tired of sitting through meetings and the opposition has faded away

  195. Anonymous

    Go to the BOS meeting july 17 at 9.am where the general plan update is discussed also see the march 27 general plan update and minutes . I told 1 guy then, what Angelo wants Angelo gets. Usually by waiting until the last minute with a general pla n change when most people are tired of sitting through meetings and the opposition has faded away

  196. Anonymous

    Go to the BOS meeting july 17 at 9.am where the general plan update is discussed also see the march 27 general plan update and minutes . I told 1 guy then, what Angelo wants Angelo gets. Usually by waiting until the last minute with a general pla n change when most people are tired of sitting through meetings and the opposition has faded away

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