For those who read the Sacramento Bee article on Tuesday morning on Davis Enterprise Columnist Bob Dunning, it was an interesting read.
The article posits the almost existential question of who and what is Bob Dunning, and the answer is that he seems to be almost conflicted.
“So which is he? Closet conservative or closet liberal? The answer is: both and neither. In other words, nuance and ambiguity win out. Even Dunning says he’s conflicted when asked about his world view and political leanings. (For the record: Yolo County’s voter registration lists him as a Democrat.)”
It continues:
“To some, especially in Davis, he is considered too conservative to represent the progressive citizenry of the college town many dub “The People’s Republic.” These critics see him as a defender of the status quo and an apologist for pro-growth politicians and developers.
But among some Catholics, he is considered too liberal. Though Dunning is ardently pro-life, condemns homosexuality as a sin and boasts that he’s “to the right of George W. Bush on the stem-cell issue,” some of his other views have raised eyebrows among church conservatives. So, too, does the fact that he’s been married three times — though one short-lived marriage was annulled.”
One of the interesting things, I learned from this article since I do not listen to Bob Dunning’s radio show is how conservative he is on a lot of social issues. And perhaps, as the article suggests, he is not uniformly so. Nevertheless, some of the views here are rather shocking.
Except for a denunciation of right-wing Catholic League leader Bill Donohue, there was scant evidence of blatantly liberal Catholicism during several recent weeks of Dunning’s show on Sirius:
* On homosexuality: “It’s a sin. The Catholic Church teaches that the act is a sin. But don’t violate anti-discrimination laws (against gays).”
* On the Good Friday prayer controversy: “Jews are upset because we’re praying for their conversion, asking God to remove the veil from their hearts and overcome their blindness. … If I was Jewish, I don’t know if I’d make a big deal out of that.”
* On pharmacists being forced to sell the morning-after pill: “People who are pro-choice are no-choice. They don’t care about your conscience.”
Recall that this is a columnist that accused this blog of being anti-Catholic. And yet he shows remarkable insensitivity toward Jews and their beliefs.
Back on January 12, 2007, Bob Dunning wrote in his Davis Enterprise column:
“Twice on this blog I’ve seen truly ugly references to Catholicism as it pertains to the Above-Pictured Columnist made by anonymous cowards … if this ugliness had involved any other faith, it would be condemned by this town’s alleged civil rights activists as “hate speech,” but it’s apparently open season on Catholics … yes indeed, real life hate-mongers right here in the Most Relevant City in America …”
I was asked about this charge from the reporter when he interviewed me for the Bob Dunning story–he could not find a reference to Bob Dunning and Catholicism. In fact, if you do a search on Dunning and Catholic, you will find only my response to his January 12th column. There is a mild criticism of Dunning not living up to Catholic mores in some of the comments, but that is certainly not anti-Catholic nor is it something that emanated from my keyboard.
I did not realize it at the time of this interview, but apparently the very fact that I was personally willing to respond and criticize Dunning made me unique.
“Three other local critics of Dunning declined interview requests, saying they feared retribution in Dunning’s column.”
Anyone who has been on the receiving end of a Bob Dunning treatment can understand why that is the case.
Often, Dunning puts aside his breezy, snarky style and strikes back. In two January columns, he savagely dismissed the Vanguard bloggers, calling their analyses of his work “actionable libel and defamation” and writing, “In my book, this blog has become a rag, which makes it a blag.”
One of the reasons that I began this blog last year was to create a vehicle by which to respond to Bob Dunning. The problem was that if Dunning attacked you, he twists your words. I have seen his columns where he attacks someone or completely distorts their email pulling key lines completely out of context to imply that they are saying something that they had no intention of saying. I have been shown original emails that bear no resemblance to his columns.
To respond to him, you get a 350-word letter to the editor and he can respond with five columns a week if he so chooses. At least with the blog, there is an opportunity to respond fully and to get the facts out there.
For his part,
“Dunning says people often mistake his humorous asides for attacks.”
I do not buy this at all. I think it may be closer to the truth to suggest that Dunning dresses up his attacks in humorous asides. But they are attacks nonetheless.
“Among their examples, Greenwald and fellow critics point to what they perceive as Dunning’s “personal attacks” against progressive councilman Lamar Heystek as well as his unwavering support of the Davis Police Department during a 2006 dispute about the adjudication of a controversial misdemeanor hit-and-run case involving a Muslim teen. (Some activists called it a case of racial profiling.)”
For example, in December, Bob Dunning through his confederate Noreen Mazelis unleashed an attack on Councilmember Lamar Heystek suggesting that he had not sufficiently suffered to be able to sit on a panel to discuss “struggle.”
STRUGGLING WITH LAMAR….writes my friend Noreen: “Per Sunday’s Enterprise (‘Briefly,’ Page A3) Lamar Heystek will be on a panel with three other privileged men to discuss ‘struggle.'” ….wow, nobody knows the trouble he’s seen, overcoming his college education and teaching position at UC Davis to become one of the youngest City Council members in Davis city history…struggle?….Lamar?…..heck, he’s not old enough to have even struggled with a razor….
Reading this passage, you can see that it certainly is wrapped in heavy sarcasm with attempts at humorous interludes, but at its core, it is an attack and in fact as we devoted a large amount of space last fall to suggest–a wholly unfounded one at that.
This was of course not the first time that Dunning attacked Councilmember Heystek. During last year’s election, the Councilmember found himself under attack for being anti-law enforcement.
Dunning suggested first that Mr. Heystek had slipped in the city council race based on his position on police oversight and Officer Ly’s conduct in the Buzayan case.
“He is now running third, maybe fourth, in a race where only two seats are available and chances are fading that he can make up the deficit between now and Election Day …”
Moreover, after Mr. Heystek released a statement of support for the police, Dunning derided him:
“Great stuff, Lamar, but it’s too little, too late…”
Dunning then proceeded to attack his association to a certain person that I happen to married to.
Is that a funny aside or a personal attack on someone? I suggest it is both.
As I am quoted in the Sacramento Bee:
“Sometimes he uses his column as a bludgeon instead of a way to enlighten the community on issues.”
Of course, not everyone is critical of Mr. Dunning.
The article cites two people in strong support. One an individual named Richard Bruce:
“He’s an institution. He’s a populist who’s been relatively friendly to economic growth so that people can afford to live here.”
A populist? It is indeed difficult to pigeon-hole the guy, but I would say he is more often a “shill” for the political establishment than a populist. He’s probably more often friendly to economic growth, but even here you have to be more careful and nuanced. Dunning was basically against Measure X. I am uncertain how much he cares about people being able to afford to live here, but perhaps someone can cite examples to the contrary.
The biggest cheerleader for Dunning is the one person who ought to be in the position of authority over him and that is Davis Enterprise Editor and Assistant Publisher Debbie Davis. Davis plays cheerleader for Dunning:
“What I totally admire about Bob is that he has the facts to back up his opinion.”
Really, perhaps Debbie Davis can give us the facts to back up Dunning’s opinion on Heystek and struggle? Sorry to keep using that as an example, but it is so blatantly inaccurate.
In most ways, the views and ideas presented in the Sacramento Bee article are unsurprising to those who have followed Dunning. I have been in the past accused of not appreciating the fact that Dunning takes his positions on a case-by-case basis. I can appreciate that. I can see how Dunning’s radio views would anger those both on the left and the Catholic Church.
Yet at the end of the day, I view him as I do Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly claimed when he was a bit newer to Fox News, that he was neither conservative nor liberal. And what you would see is about 80% of the time he would be on the right and then 20% of the time he would say just enough that the right hated so that it would be difficult to pigeon-hole him and so that he could anger just enough conservatives and get them to complain, so that he could say, see, I told you, I’m in the middle. But anyone who views O’Reilly on a regular basis knows he is a strong conservative on most of the important issues and that ideologically he relates better to that side of the aisle.
That is mainly how I see Bob Dunning. I wonder how he would go over if more people realized how far to the right he is on social issues. I suspect he may be more of a typical old-time Catholic Democrat on some of the economic issues, but I have not seen enough of him to make that determination.
I can appreciate at times Dunning’s humor, but I remain a strong critic of his precisely because of the way that he wields that humor and the sheer force of five columns a week.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
DPD said …
Yet at the end of the day, I view him as I do Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly claimed when he was a bit newer to Fox News, that he was neither conservative nor liberal. And what you would see is about 80% of the time he would be on the right and then 20% of the time he would say just enough that the right hated so that it would be difficult to pigeon-hole him and so that he could anger just enough conservatives and get them to complain, so that he could say, see, I told you, I’m in the middle. But anyone who views O’Reilly on a regular basis knows he is a strong conservative on most of the important issues and that ideologically he relates better to that side of the aisle.
That is mainly how I see Bob Dunning. I wonder how he would go over if more people realized how far to the right he is on social issues. I suspect he may be more of typical old-time Catholic Democrat on some of the economic issues, but I have not seen enough of him to make that determination.
Very interesting article DPD. When I read the above excerpted portion, I can’t help but believe that O’Rielly only makes the statements that rile the Conservatives in order to increase his audience participation. After all he works in the entertainment industry, and audience size is the be-all and end-all therein.
With regard to Dunning, one can’t help but wonder which of his positions/statements are his core beliefs and which are simply audience builders. I’ve lived in Davis for ten years now, but only started reading the Enterprise this year, so I haven’t been exposed to enough Dunning to have an informed opinion.
DPD said …
Yet at the end of the day, I view him as I do Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly claimed when he was a bit newer to Fox News, that he was neither conservative nor liberal. And what you would see is about 80% of the time he would be on the right and then 20% of the time he would say just enough that the right hated so that it would be difficult to pigeon-hole him and so that he could anger just enough conservatives and get them to complain, so that he could say, see, I told you, I’m in the middle. But anyone who views O’Reilly on a regular basis knows he is a strong conservative on most of the important issues and that ideologically he relates better to that side of the aisle.
That is mainly how I see Bob Dunning. I wonder how he would go over if more people realized how far to the right he is on social issues. I suspect he may be more of typical old-time Catholic Democrat on some of the economic issues, but I have not seen enough of him to make that determination.
Very interesting article DPD. When I read the above excerpted portion, I can’t help but believe that O’Rielly only makes the statements that rile the Conservatives in order to increase his audience participation. After all he works in the entertainment industry, and audience size is the be-all and end-all therein.
With regard to Dunning, one can’t help but wonder which of his positions/statements are his core beliefs and which are simply audience builders. I’ve lived in Davis for ten years now, but only started reading the Enterprise this year, so I haven’t been exposed to enough Dunning to have an informed opinion.
DPD said …
Yet at the end of the day, I view him as I do Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly claimed when he was a bit newer to Fox News, that he was neither conservative nor liberal. And what you would see is about 80% of the time he would be on the right and then 20% of the time he would say just enough that the right hated so that it would be difficult to pigeon-hole him and so that he could anger just enough conservatives and get them to complain, so that he could say, see, I told you, I’m in the middle. But anyone who views O’Reilly on a regular basis knows he is a strong conservative on most of the important issues and that ideologically he relates better to that side of the aisle.
That is mainly how I see Bob Dunning. I wonder how he would go over if more people realized how far to the right he is on social issues. I suspect he may be more of typical old-time Catholic Democrat on some of the economic issues, but I have not seen enough of him to make that determination.
Very interesting article DPD. When I read the above excerpted portion, I can’t help but believe that O’Rielly only makes the statements that rile the Conservatives in order to increase his audience participation. After all he works in the entertainment industry, and audience size is the be-all and end-all therein.
With regard to Dunning, one can’t help but wonder which of his positions/statements are his core beliefs and which are simply audience builders. I’ve lived in Davis for ten years now, but only started reading the Enterprise this year, so I haven’t been exposed to enough Dunning to have an informed opinion.
DPD said …
Yet at the end of the day, I view him as I do Bill O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly claimed when he was a bit newer to Fox News, that he was neither conservative nor liberal. And what you would see is about 80% of the time he would be on the right and then 20% of the time he would say just enough that the right hated so that it would be difficult to pigeon-hole him and so that he could anger just enough conservatives and get them to complain, so that he could say, see, I told you, I’m in the middle. But anyone who views O’Reilly on a regular basis knows he is a strong conservative on most of the important issues and that ideologically he relates better to that side of the aisle.
That is mainly how I see Bob Dunning. I wonder how he would go over if more people realized how far to the right he is on social issues. I suspect he may be more of typical old-time Catholic Democrat on some of the economic issues, but I have not seen enough of him to make that determination.
Very interesting article DPD. When I read the above excerpted portion, I can’t help but believe that O’Rielly only makes the statements that rile the Conservatives in order to increase his audience participation. After all he works in the entertainment industry, and audience size is the be-all and end-all therein.
With regard to Dunning, one can’t help but wonder which of his positions/statements are his core beliefs and which are simply audience builders. I’ve lived in Davis for ten years now, but only started reading the Enterprise this year, so I haven’t been exposed to enough Dunning to have an informed opinion.
I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.
I had no idea Dunning was so conservative. “To the right of Bush on stem cells.” How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
I never found Bob funny or relavant and now I know why.
I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.
I had no idea Dunning was so conservative. “To the right of Bush on stem cells.” How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
I never found Bob funny or relavant and now I know why.
I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.
I had no idea Dunning was so conservative. “To the right of Bush on stem cells.” How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
I never found Bob funny or relavant and now I know why.
I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.
I had no idea Dunning was so conservative. “To the right of Bush on stem cells.” How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
I never found Bob funny or relavant and now I know why.
I never found Dunning very funny. Again, don’t miss the Enterprise at all. He isn’t very creative, either. He mostly just reprints emails that are sent to him, with pithy remarks interspersed. Must be the easiest job on the planet.
I never found Dunning very funny. Again, don’t miss the Enterprise at all. He isn’t very creative, either. He mostly just reprints emails that are sent to him, with pithy remarks interspersed. Must be the easiest job on the planet.
I never found Dunning very funny. Again, don’t miss the Enterprise at all. He isn’t very creative, either. He mostly just reprints emails that are sent to him, with pithy remarks interspersed. Must be the easiest job on the planet.
I never found Dunning very funny. Again, don’t miss the Enterprise at all. He isn’t very creative, either. He mostly just reprints emails that are sent to him, with pithy remarks interspersed. Must be the easiest job on the planet.
How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
Bush didn’t ban the testing of stem cells, he banned the creation of new stem cell lines but allowed continued use of the existing lines.
Inadequate and unacceptable for scientific research, yes; but not the same as banning it.
I was mildly surprised in the Bee article to see that Dunning is a registered Democrat.
How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
Bush didn’t ban the testing of stem cells, he banned the creation of new stem cell lines but allowed continued use of the existing lines.
Inadequate and unacceptable for scientific research, yes; but not the same as banning it.
I was mildly surprised in the Bee article to see that Dunning is a registered Democrat.
How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
Bush didn’t ban the testing of stem cells, he banned the creation of new stem cell lines but allowed continued use of the existing lines.
Inadequate and unacceptable for scientific research, yes; but not the same as banning it.
I was mildly surprised in the Bee article to see that Dunning is a registered Democrat.
How can you be any farther right than banning the testing of them?
Bush didn’t ban the testing of stem cells, he banned the creation of new stem cell lines but allowed continued use of the existing lines.
Inadequate and unacceptable for scientific research, yes; but not the same as banning it.
I was mildly surprised in the Bee article to see that Dunning is a registered Democrat.
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny. And he’s also an incredibly gifted writer when it comes to capturing the spirit of this town and the people who inhabit it. Some of his best columns have been his tributes to long-time Davis characters, all of whom he’s known well.
What I think is quite sad is that some rigid ideologues — well, one in particular — seem to want to brand Dunning as their ideological opposite, when he’s not ideological at all on political issues. (I think his religious conservatism is well known, but that’s on a different plane.) His jokes seem to go right over their heads. Having read Dunning for about 35 years, I appreciate that political humor is more important to him than political philosophy.
Finally, regarding this charge of being “insensitive to Jews,” I don’t get it. I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for. (I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.) But if it makes them happy and it doesn’t incite violence, then all is good.
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny. And he’s also an incredibly gifted writer when it comes to capturing the spirit of this town and the people who inhabit it. Some of his best columns have been his tributes to long-time Davis characters, all of whom he’s known well.
What I think is quite sad is that some rigid ideologues — well, one in particular — seem to want to brand Dunning as their ideological opposite, when he’s not ideological at all on political issues. (I think his religious conservatism is well known, but that’s on a different plane.) His jokes seem to go right over their heads. Having read Dunning for about 35 years, I appreciate that political humor is more important to him than political philosophy.
Finally, regarding this charge of being “insensitive to Jews,” I don’t get it. I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for. (I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.) But if it makes them happy and it doesn’t incite violence, then all is good.
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny. And he’s also an incredibly gifted writer when it comes to capturing the spirit of this town and the people who inhabit it. Some of his best columns have been his tributes to long-time Davis characters, all of whom he’s known well.
What I think is quite sad is that some rigid ideologues — well, one in particular — seem to want to brand Dunning as their ideological opposite, when he’s not ideological at all on political issues. (I think his religious conservatism is well known, but that’s on a different plane.) His jokes seem to go right over their heads. Having read Dunning for about 35 years, I appreciate that political humor is more important to him than political philosophy.
Finally, regarding this charge of being “insensitive to Jews,” I don’t get it. I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for. (I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.) But if it makes them happy and it doesn’t incite violence, then all is good.
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny. And he’s also an incredibly gifted writer when it comes to capturing the spirit of this town and the people who inhabit it. Some of his best columns have been his tributes to long-time Davis characters, all of whom he’s known well.
What I think is quite sad is that some rigid ideologues — well, one in particular — seem to want to brand Dunning as their ideological opposite, when he’s not ideological at all on political issues. (I think his religious conservatism is well known, but that’s on a different plane.) His jokes seem to go right over their heads. Having read Dunning for about 35 years, I appreciate that political humor is more important to him than political philosophy.
Finally, regarding this charge of being “insensitive to Jews,” I don’t get it. I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for. (I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.) But if it makes them happy and it doesn’t incite violence, then all is good.
Obviously Noreen has no idea what Snoop Dogg looks like since Bill Calhoun looks and sounds nothing like him.
Obviously Noreen has no idea what Snoop Dogg looks like since Bill Calhoun looks and sounds nothing like him.
Obviously Noreen has no idea what Snoop Dogg looks like since Bill Calhoun looks and sounds nothing like him.
Obviously Noreen has no idea what Snoop Dogg looks like since Bill Calhoun looks and sounds nothing like him.
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny.
Boy, was I fortunate to grow up in Sacramento, where my newspaper options were the Bee, as stodgy and unimaginative as it is, and the rowdy Chronicle.
If Dunning is the best, I don’t want to know the worst.
Dunning is a witless, boorish, resentful person who vents his dissatisfactions with people and contemporary social life through his column in the Enterprise.
The editors of the Enteprise have, over the years, also used him to launch ongoing serialized attacks upon political figures that they dislike, Dave Rosenberg (before the peace treaty), Sue Greenwald, Mike Harrington, and, as announced by the manufactured criticism of his background, Lamar Heysteck, highlighted by Dunning’s claim of a conversation with Heysteck that never happened.
Of course, that’s when the Enterprise isn’t relying upon him to distort the provisions of the Juvenile Code to defend their friends at the police department, you know, the ones that Debbie Davis tipped off about a public records act request survey.
My guess is that, within 10 years of so, the Internet, especially Craigslist, will result in the demise of the Enterprise, or a radical transformation of it, one that dispenses with much of the current staff and management.
–Richard Estes
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny.
Boy, was I fortunate to grow up in Sacramento, where my newspaper options were the Bee, as stodgy and unimaginative as it is, and the rowdy Chronicle.
If Dunning is the best, I don’t want to know the worst.
Dunning is a witless, boorish, resentful person who vents his dissatisfactions with people and contemporary social life through his column in the Enterprise.
The editors of the Enteprise have, over the years, also used him to launch ongoing serialized attacks upon political figures that they dislike, Dave Rosenberg (before the peace treaty), Sue Greenwald, Mike Harrington, and, as announced by the manufactured criticism of his background, Lamar Heysteck, highlighted by Dunning’s claim of a conversation with Heysteck that never happened.
Of course, that’s when the Enterprise isn’t relying upon him to distort the provisions of the Juvenile Code to defend their friends at the police department, you know, the ones that Debbie Davis tipped off about a public records act request survey.
My guess is that, within 10 years of so, the Internet, especially Craigslist, will result in the demise of the Enterprise, or a radical transformation of it, one that dispenses with much of the current staff and management.
–Richard Estes
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny.
Boy, was I fortunate to grow up in Sacramento, where my newspaper options were the Bee, as stodgy and unimaginative as it is, and the rowdy Chronicle.
If Dunning is the best, I don’t want to know the worst.
Dunning is a witless, boorish, resentful person who vents his dissatisfactions with people and contemporary social life through his column in the Enterprise.
The editors of the Enteprise have, over the years, also used him to launch ongoing serialized attacks upon political figures that they dislike, Dave Rosenberg (before the peace treaty), Sue Greenwald, Mike Harrington, and, as announced by the manufactured criticism of his background, Lamar Heysteck, highlighted by Dunning’s claim of a conversation with Heysteck that never happened.
Of course, that’s when the Enterprise isn’t relying upon him to distort the provisions of the Juvenile Code to defend their friends at the police department, you know, the ones that Debbie Davis tipped off about a public records act request survey.
My guess is that, within 10 years of so, the Internet, especially Craigslist, will result in the demise of the Enterprise, or a radical transformation of it, one that dispenses with much of the current staff and management.
–Richard Estes
I’ve read a lot of different small city and small town newspapers in my life — maybe a hundred — and I would rate Bob Dunning as easily the most talented and wittiest columnist in any of them. At his best, he’s laugh out loud funny.
Boy, was I fortunate to grow up in Sacramento, where my newspaper options were the Bee, as stodgy and unimaginative as it is, and the rowdy Chronicle.
If Dunning is the best, I don’t want to know the worst.
Dunning is a witless, boorish, resentful person who vents his dissatisfactions with people and contemporary social life through his column in the Enterprise.
The editors of the Enteprise have, over the years, also used him to launch ongoing serialized attacks upon political figures that they dislike, Dave Rosenberg (before the peace treaty), Sue Greenwald, Mike Harrington, and, as announced by the manufactured criticism of his background, Lamar Heysteck, highlighted by Dunning’s claim of a conversation with Heysteck that never happened.
Of course, that’s when the Enterprise isn’t relying upon him to distort the provisions of the Juvenile Code to defend their friends at the police department, you know, the ones that Debbie Davis tipped off about a public records act request survey.
My guess is that, within 10 years of so, the Internet, especially Craigslist, will result in the demise of the Enterprise, or a radical transformation of it, one that dispenses with much of the current staff and management.
–Richard Estes
“I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for.”
I was about to argue this point when I saw the parenthetical comment:
“(I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.)”
Rich does not from this remark appear to an actual praticing Jew so I’m not sure how much his comments really weigh on the question at hand as to whether or not Dunning’s comments would be consider offensive by an individual who was more observant in their religious practice. Therefore, for him to suggest his own take as an example of why this is a big deal seems to miss the mark. Now if a Rabbi came on here and said that this was not a big deal, that might be a different story, but Rifkin himself does not appear to be in a position to speak for more observant Jews.
“I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for.”
I was about to argue this point when I saw the parenthetical comment:
“(I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.)”
Rich does not from this remark appear to an actual praticing Jew so I’m not sure how much his comments really weigh on the question at hand as to whether or not Dunning’s comments would be consider offensive by an individual who was more observant in their religious practice. Therefore, for him to suggest his own take as an example of why this is a big deal seems to miss the mark. Now if a Rabbi came on here and said that this was not a big deal, that might be a different story, but Rifkin himself does not appear to be in a position to speak for more observant Jews.
“I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for.”
I was about to argue this point when I saw the parenthetical comment:
“(I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.)”
Rich does not from this remark appear to an actual praticing Jew so I’m not sure how much his comments really weigh on the question at hand as to whether or not Dunning’s comments would be consider offensive by an individual who was more observant in their religious practice. Therefore, for him to suggest his own take as an example of why this is a big deal seems to miss the mark. Now if a Rabbi came on here and said that this was not a big deal, that might be a different story, but Rifkin himself does not appear to be in a position to speak for more observant Jews.
“I’m a Jew, and I could not care less what people in other religions believe or pray for.”
I was about to argue this point when I saw the parenthetical comment:
“(I personally think the religious beliefs of most people are downright stupid.)”
Rich does not from this remark appear to an actual praticing Jew so I’m not sure how much his comments really weigh on the question at hand as to whether or not Dunning’s comments would be consider offensive by an individual who was more observant in their religious practice. Therefore, for him to suggest his own take as an example of why this is a big deal seems to miss the mark. Now if a Rabbi came on here and said that this was not a big deal, that might be a different story, but Rifkin himself does not appear to be in a position to speak for more observant Jews.
Herschel,
I agree. I am only speaking for myself.
Herschel,
I agree. I am only speaking for myself.
Herschel,
I agree. I am only speaking for myself.
Herschel,
I agree. I am only speaking for myself.
Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group? Obviously you felt it relevant to mention your group identity rather than letting your individual identity speak for itself.
Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group? Obviously you felt it relevant to mention your group identity rather than letting your individual identity speak for itself.
Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group? Obviously you felt it relevant to mention your group identity rather than letting your individual identity speak for itself.
Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group? Obviously you felt it relevant to mention your group identity rather than letting your individual identity speak for itself.
“Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group?”
I think it’s quite relevant. I am a Jew, always will be a Jew and identify as a Jew. If someone is accused of being insensitive to Jews, and I don’t find the action offensive, then I will speak out, saying so. However, I would never say, “Jews feel this way or that,” unless I had some polling information or some such thing.
“Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group?”
I think it’s quite relevant. I am a Jew, always will be a Jew and identify as a Jew. If someone is accused of being insensitive to Jews, and I don’t find the action offensive, then I will speak out, saying so. However, I would never say, “Jews feel this way or that,” unless I had some polling information or some such thing.
“Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group?”
I think it’s quite relevant. I am a Jew, always will be a Jew and identify as a Jew. If someone is accused of being insensitive to Jews, and I don’t find the action offensive, then I will speak out, saying so. However, I would never say, “Jews feel this way or that,” unless I had some polling information or some such thing.
“Then why mention that you are a Jew unless you are attempting to connect some sort authority or identification to a broader group?”
I think it’s quite relevant. I am a Jew, always will be a Jew and identify as a Jew. If someone is accused of being insensitive to Jews, and I don’t find the action offensive, then I will speak out, saying so. However, I would never say, “Jews feel this way or that,” unless I had some polling information or some such thing.
As usual the point of the topic is sidetracked when Mr. Rifkin posts a comment. Most people are more interested in debating Rich than commenting on the subject.
I find Mr. Dunning an interesting read and don’t take him that seriously. He has said some controversial things by design, I think. I am not convinced that anything he has said has caused anyone irreparable harm. For you to give him the power you do just make him that much more a person for controversy.
The stem cell research debate was a lot more of a concern to Catholics when the source of the cells was mainly from aborted fetuses. My understanding is that there are other sources for the cells now. I don’t think Bob would be against that type of research, I hope.
As usual the point of the topic is sidetracked when Mr. Rifkin posts a comment. Most people are more interested in debating Rich than commenting on the subject.
I find Mr. Dunning an interesting read and don’t take him that seriously. He has said some controversial things by design, I think. I am not convinced that anything he has said has caused anyone irreparable harm. For you to give him the power you do just make him that much more a person for controversy.
The stem cell research debate was a lot more of a concern to Catholics when the source of the cells was mainly from aborted fetuses. My understanding is that there are other sources for the cells now. I don’t think Bob would be against that type of research, I hope.
As usual the point of the topic is sidetracked when Mr. Rifkin posts a comment. Most people are more interested in debating Rich than commenting on the subject.
I find Mr. Dunning an interesting read and don’t take him that seriously. He has said some controversial things by design, I think. I am not convinced that anything he has said has caused anyone irreparable harm. For you to give him the power you do just make him that much more a person for controversy.
The stem cell research debate was a lot more of a concern to Catholics when the source of the cells was mainly from aborted fetuses. My understanding is that there are other sources for the cells now. I don’t think Bob would be against that type of research, I hope.
As usual the point of the topic is sidetracked when Mr. Rifkin posts a comment. Most people are more interested in debating Rich than commenting on the subject.
I find Mr. Dunning an interesting read and don’t take him that seriously. He has said some controversial things by design, I think. I am not convinced that anything he has said has caused anyone irreparable harm. For you to give him the power you do just make him that much more a person for controversy.
The stem cell research debate was a lot more of a concern to Catholics when the source of the cells was mainly from aborted fetuses. My understanding is that there are other sources for the cells now. I don’t think Bob would be against that type of research, I hope.
Does Rich get paid for the number of times he says “Jew?”
Does Rich get paid for the number of times he says “Jew?”
Does Rich get paid for the number of times he says “Jew?”
Does Rich get paid for the number of times he says “Jew?”
The first time I met Bob Dunning I was doing something political and unconventional when he approached and identified himself. I told him I was much more interested in him writing about my cause than about me.
When the article came out there was not a single word about my cause. I thought, oh I get it, this is a guy that nobody should take too seriously, and to this day I don’t take him seriously and expect him to be sort of a small town chamber of commerce rah rah booster of the status quo. And yes he works for an outfit that buys ink by the barrel so watch out.
Still I do find the insensitivity about jews in that single comment a little weird. Its never a good idea for people of one faith to try to understand how people of another faith should think about a religious issue but hey who’s perfect.
The first time I met Bob Dunning I was doing something political and unconventional when he approached and identified himself. I told him I was much more interested in him writing about my cause than about me.
When the article came out there was not a single word about my cause. I thought, oh I get it, this is a guy that nobody should take too seriously, and to this day I don’t take him seriously and expect him to be sort of a small town chamber of commerce rah rah booster of the status quo. And yes he works for an outfit that buys ink by the barrel so watch out.
Still I do find the insensitivity about jews in that single comment a little weird. Its never a good idea for people of one faith to try to understand how people of another faith should think about a religious issue but hey who’s perfect.
The first time I met Bob Dunning I was doing something political and unconventional when he approached and identified himself. I told him I was much more interested in him writing about my cause than about me.
When the article came out there was not a single word about my cause. I thought, oh I get it, this is a guy that nobody should take too seriously, and to this day I don’t take him seriously and expect him to be sort of a small town chamber of commerce rah rah booster of the status quo. And yes he works for an outfit that buys ink by the barrel so watch out.
Still I do find the insensitivity about jews in that single comment a little weird. Its never a good idea for people of one faith to try to understand how people of another faith should think about a religious issue but hey who’s perfect.
The first time I met Bob Dunning I was doing something political and unconventional when he approached and identified himself. I told him I was much more interested in him writing about my cause than about me.
When the article came out there was not a single word about my cause. I thought, oh I get it, this is a guy that nobody should take too seriously, and to this day I don’t take him seriously and expect him to be sort of a small town chamber of commerce rah rah booster of the status quo. And yes he works for an outfit that buys ink by the barrel so watch out.
Still I do find the insensitivity about jews in that single comment a little weird. Its never a good idea for people of one faith to try to understand how people of another faith should think about a religious issue but hey who’s perfect.
lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.
lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.
lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.
lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.
You can always count on Bob to hand you enough rope to hang yourself, whether in person or in writing. You should never, ever say or (God forbid) write anything to Bob that you wouldn’t want to see taken out of context 6 months later and inserted into one of his columns. Bob is only your friend as far as he can get you to say something that will help him fill his column and sell papers. That’s the extent of his beliefs.
Bob may have a compartment for things that aren’t fodder for his columns (and now his radio show, I suppose) but you don’t get that luxury.
You can always count on Bob to hand you enough rope to hang yourself, whether in person or in writing. You should never, ever say or (God forbid) write anything to Bob that you wouldn’t want to see taken out of context 6 months later and inserted into one of his columns. Bob is only your friend as far as he can get you to say something that will help him fill his column and sell papers. That’s the extent of his beliefs.
Bob may have a compartment for things that aren’t fodder for his columns (and now his radio show, I suppose) but you don’t get that luxury.
You can always count on Bob to hand you enough rope to hang yourself, whether in person or in writing. You should never, ever say or (God forbid) write anything to Bob that you wouldn’t want to see taken out of context 6 months later and inserted into one of his columns. Bob is only your friend as far as he can get you to say something that will help him fill his column and sell papers. That’s the extent of his beliefs.
Bob may have a compartment for things that aren’t fodder for his columns (and now his radio show, I suppose) but you don’t get that luxury.
You can always count on Bob to hand you enough rope to hang yourself, whether in person or in writing. You should never, ever say or (God forbid) write anything to Bob that you wouldn’t want to see taken out of context 6 months later and inserted into one of his columns. Bob is only your friend as far as he can get you to say something that will help him fill his column and sell papers. That’s the extent of his beliefs.
Bob may have a compartment for things that aren’t fodder for his columns (and now his radio show, I suppose) but you don’t get that luxury.
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
Dunning, when he acts as a straightforward chronicler (taking the time to take a break from stirring the tempest-in-a-teapot that is Davis)has no equal in the journalistic sphere. His knowledge of the personalities who’ve shaped this busy little dot in the Valley is amazing and appreciated by many. I remember his remarks–during the memorial service in Nov., 2000 for a friend of mine, Dianne Hinsz, the checker “with-no-last-name” at The State Market, an unlettered woman of perspicacity the equal of Dunning himself, which he humourously-humbly acknowledged at the time–were heartfelt and meant a lot to many Davis folks in attendance.
Dunning, when he acts as a straightforward chronicler (taking the time to take a break from stirring the tempest-in-a-teapot that is Davis)has no equal in the journalistic sphere. His knowledge of the personalities who’ve shaped this busy little dot in the Valley is amazing and appreciated by many. I remember his remarks–during the memorial service in Nov., 2000 for a friend of mine, Dianne Hinsz, the checker “with-no-last-name” at The State Market, an unlettered woman of perspicacity the equal of Dunning himself, which he humourously-humbly acknowledged at the time–were heartfelt and meant a lot to many Davis folks in attendance.
Dunning, when he acts as a straightforward chronicler (taking the time to take a break from stirring the tempest-in-a-teapot that is Davis)has no equal in the journalistic sphere. His knowledge of the personalities who’ve shaped this busy little dot in the Valley is amazing and appreciated by many. I remember his remarks–during the memorial service in Nov., 2000 for a friend of mine, Dianne Hinsz, the checker “with-no-last-name” at The State Market, an unlettered woman of perspicacity the equal of Dunning himself, which he humourously-humbly acknowledged at the time–were heartfelt and meant a lot to many Davis folks in attendance.
Dunning, when he acts as a straightforward chronicler (taking the time to take a break from stirring the tempest-in-a-teapot that is Davis)has no equal in the journalistic sphere. His knowledge of the personalities who’ve shaped this busy little dot in the Valley is amazing and appreciated by many. I remember his remarks–during the memorial service in Nov., 2000 for a friend of mine, Dianne Hinsz, the checker “with-no-last-name” at The State Market, an unlettered woman of perspicacity the equal of Dunning himself, which he humourously-humbly acknowledged at the time–were heartfelt and meant a lot to many Davis folks in attendance.
Vincente said…
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
8/16/07 5:24 PM
What exactly are we exposing. The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.
Vincente said…
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
8/16/07 5:24 PM
What exactly are we exposing. The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.
Vincente said…
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
8/16/07 5:24 PM
What exactly are we exposing. The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.
Vincente said…
“lets talk about Bob Dunning and make him the center stage of debate in this town. That is what he wants.”
We have two choices–we can ignore him or we can expose him. Ignoring him did not work, so I opt for the exposure. This is a good way to do it.
8/16/07 5:24 PM
What exactly are we exposing. The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.
“The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.”
And that would not be the purpose. The purpose is rather to suggest to people who Bob Dunning is and to respond to his rhetoric with facts and clarifications and the rest of the story.
“The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.”
And that would not be the purpose. The purpose is rather to suggest to people who Bob Dunning is and to respond to his rhetoric with facts and clarifications and the rest of the story.
“The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.”
And that would not be the purpose. The purpose is rather to suggest to people who Bob Dunning is and to respond to his rhetoric with facts and clarifications and the rest of the story.
“The Davis Enterprise has no intention of letting him go based on anything in this blog.”
And that would not be the purpose. The purpose is rather to suggest to people who Bob Dunning is and to respond to his rhetoric with facts and clarifications and the rest of the story.
Anonymous 6:10PM – Your comments about Dianne Hinsz reminded me of the memorial service that I attended for Jim Doan last year. It was one of the most touching eulogies that I have ever heard. The man is not as bad as some of you make him out to be.
Anonymous 6:10PM – Your comments about Dianne Hinsz reminded me of the memorial service that I attended for Jim Doan last year. It was one of the most touching eulogies that I have ever heard. The man is not as bad as some of you make him out to be.
Anonymous 6:10PM – Your comments about Dianne Hinsz reminded me of the memorial service that I attended for Jim Doan last year. It was one of the most touching eulogies that I have ever heard. The man is not as bad as some of you make him out to be.
Anonymous 6:10PM – Your comments about Dianne Hinsz reminded me of the memorial service that I attended for Jim Doan last year. It was one of the most touching eulogies that I have ever heard. The man is not as bad as some of you make him out to be.
One thing that newcomers to Davis likely don’t know is that Dunning was traditionally the best tennis player in Davis for many years. I don’t know if it still exists, but there used to be a very big and very competitive citywide tennis tournament, and at the highest level Dunning would often win it….
Not long after Bobby Riggs played Billy Jean King in the famous Battle of the Sexes tennis match at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, Riggs came to Davis on a promotional tour (I think he was paid by the Sugar Daddy candy company) to play Bob Dunning in a big time tennis match.
Nobody is saying he’s all evil. I personally at a personal level like the guy, but as a columnist he can be a mean vicious person and often against the politicians and people I am most aligned with.
One thing that newcomers to Davis likely don’t know is that Dunning was traditionally the best tennis player in Davis for many years. I don’t know if it still exists, but there used to be a very big and very competitive citywide tennis tournament, and at the highest level Dunning would often win it….
Not long after Bobby Riggs played Billy Jean King in the famous Battle of the Sexes tennis match at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, Riggs came to Davis on a promotional tour (I think he was paid by the Sugar Daddy candy company) to play Bob Dunning in a big time tennis match.
Nobody is saying he’s all evil. I personally at a personal level like the guy, but as a columnist he can be a mean vicious person and often against the politicians and people I am most aligned with.
One thing that newcomers to Davis likely don’t know is that Dunning was traditionally the best tennis player in Davis for many years. I don’t know if it still exists, but there used to be a very big and very competitive citywide tennis tournament, and at the highest level Dunning would often win it….
Not long after Bobby Riggs played Billy Jean King in the famous Battle of the Sexes tennis match at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, Riggs came to Davis on a promotional tour (I think he was paid by the Sugar Daddy candy company) to play Bob Dunning in a big time tennis match.
Nobody is saying he’s all evil. I personally at a personal level like the guy, but as a columnist he can be a mean vicious person and often against the politicians and people I am most aligned with.
One thing that newcomers to Davis likely don’t know is that Dunning was traditionally the best tennis player in Davis for many years. I don’t know if it still exists, but there used to be a very big and very competitive citywide tennis tournament, and at the highest level Dunning would often win it….
Not long after Bobby Riggs played Billy Jean King in the famous Battle of the Sexes tennis match at the Astrodome in Houston, Texas, Riggs came to Davis on a promotional tour (I think he was paid by the Sugar Daddy candy company) to play Bob Dunning in a big time tennis match.
Nobody is saying he’s all evil. I personally at a personal level like the guy, but as a columnist he can be a mean vicious person and often against the politicians and people I am most aligned with.
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
Great and Small said – ” I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.”
This is somewhat off subject but Noreen was mentioned in the main text as a confederate of Mr. Dunning. G&S, what was the context of that statement, do you recall? Was it inteneded to be funny or was it intended to somehow make her look like she was rap and hip-hop knowledgeable? Sounds like it didn’t work either way. Was Bill there at the time?
Great and Small said – ” I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.”
This is somewhat off subject but Noreen was mentioned in the main text as a confederate of Mr. Dunning. G&S, what was the context of that statement, do you recall? Was it inteneded to be funny or was it intended to somehow make her look like she was rap and hip-hop knowledgeable? Sounds like it didn’t work either way. Was Bill there at the time?
Great and Small said – ” I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.”
This is somewhat off subject but Noreen was mentioned in the main text as a confederate of Mr. Dunning. G&S, what was the context of that statement, do you recall? Was it inteneded to be funny or was it intended to somehow make her look like she was rap and hip-hop knowledgeable? Sounds like it didn’t work either way. Was Bill there at the time?
Great and Small said – ” I remember Noreen Mazeli calling Bill Calhoun “Snoop Dogg” at a School Board meeting. I had never heard such blatant racism in Davis, ever.”
This is somewhat off subject but Noreen was mentioned in the main text as a confederate of Mr. Dunning. G&S, what was the context of that statement, do you recall? Was it inteneded to be funny or was it intended to somehow make her look like she was rap and hip-hop knowledgeable? Sounds like it didn’t work either way. Was Bill there at the time?
“What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?”
I don’t know. What?
“What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?”
I don’t know. What?
“What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?”
I don’t know. What?
“What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?”
I don’t know. What?
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
DPD:
In a smoke-filled room among “good old boys” that comment would mean, pardon my translation, since you apparently didn’t get the drift:
“Dunning’s got Cojones: Rah-Rah–He’s The Man!”
Now, but in your forum, with the fan of “openness” blowing the smoke of testosterone away, such a commemt might could seem kinda unrelated to the issue being discussed…
DPD: You’ve simply got to learn to read between the lines of Rich Rifkin’s blurbs sometimes to get the gist.
And everything will be clear…
machismo-infantile as it is.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
DPD:
In a smoke-filled room among “good old boys” that comment would mean, pardon my translation, since you apparently didn’t get the drift:
“Dunning’s got Cojones: Rah-Rah–He’s The Man!”
Now, but in your forum, with the fan of “openness” blowing the smoke of testosterone away, such a commemt might could seem kinda unrelated to the issue being discussed…
DPD: You’ve simply got to learn to read between the lines of Rich Rifkin’s blurbs sometimes to get the gist.
And everything will be clear…
machismo-infantile as it is.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
DPD:
In a smoke-filled room among “good old boys” that comment would mean, pardon my translation, since you apparently didn’t get the drift:
“Dunning’s got Cojones: Rah-Rah–He’s The Man!”
Now, but in your forum, with the fan of “openness” blowing the smoke of testosterone away, such a commemt might could seem kinda unrelated to the issue being discussed…
DPD: You’ve simply got to learn to read between the lines of Rich Rifkin’s blurbs sometimes to get the gist.
And everything will be clear…
machismo-infantile as it is.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
DPD:
In a smoke-filled room among “good old boys” that comment would mean, pardon my translation, since you apparently didn’t get the drift:
“Dunning’s got Cojones: Rah-Rah–He’s The Man!”
Now, but in your forum, with the fan of “openness” blowing the smoke of testosterone away, such a commemt might could seem kinda unrelated to the issue being discussed…
DPD: You’ve simply got to learn to read between the lines of Rich Rifkin’s blurbs sometimes to get the gist.
And everything will be clear…
machismo-infantile as it is.
I saw that match with Bobby Riggs. Dunning was playing left-handed but kept hittng the ball to the right and no one could figure him out! Things haven’t changed.
I saw that match with Bobby Riggs. Dunning was playing left-handed but kept hittng the ball to the right and no one could figure him out! Things haven’t changed.
I saw that match with Bobby Riggs. Dunning was playing left-handed but kept hittng the ball to the right and no one could figure him out! Things haven’t changed.
I saw that match with Bobby Riggs. Dunning was playing left-handed but kept hittng the ball to the right and no one could figure him out! Things haven’t changed.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
Doug Paul – Don’t you get it? His tennis skills have absolutely nothing to do with his politics.
However, like in tennis he attempts to serve an “ace” but instead serves a “fault” and at times a “double fault” only to have the “line judge” call him on it and lose to The Vanguard.
Keep up the good work Doug Paul – – this town needs The Vanguard.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
Doug Paul – Don’t you get it? His tennis skills have absolutely nothing to do with his politics.
However, like in tennis he attempts to serve an “ace” but instead serves a “fault” and at times a “double fault” only to have the “line judge” call him on it and lose to The Vanguard.
Keep up the good work Doug Paul – – this town needs The Vanguard.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
Doug Paul – Don’t you get it? His tennis skills have absolutely nothing to do with his politics.
However, like in tennis he attempts to serve an “ace” but instead serves a “fault” and at times a “double fault” only to have the “line judge” call him on it and lose to The Vanguard.
Keep up the good work Doug Paul – – this town needs The Vanguard.
Doug Paul Davis said…
What do Dunning’s tennis skills have to do with his politics?
8/16/07 9:15 PM
Doug Paul – Don’t you get it? His tennis skills have absolutely nothing to do with his politics.
However, like in tennis he attempts to serve an “ace” but instead serves a “fault” and at times a “double fault” only to have the “line judge” call him on it and lose to The Vanguard.
Keep up the good work Doug Paul – – this town needs The Vanguard.
Darnell-
It was a school board meeting where the issue of free speech was being discussed, the chambers were packed.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did.
Darnell-
It was a school board meeting where the issue of free speech was being discussed, the chambers were packed.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did.
Darnell-
It was a school board meeting where the issue of free speech was being discussed, the chambers were packed.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did.
Darnell-
It was a school board meeting where the issue of free speech was being discussed, the chambers were packed.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did.
Noreen is a particularly nasty individual, I remember last year I came close to taking a swing at her. Even the person with her, Sandy Sokolow seemed to be embarrassed by her antics.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did
And, yet, people want to believe that there hasn’t a deliberate desire by some long time residents of Davis to discourage the integration of African Americans as part of the Davis community, and, no interest in addressing the notorious reputation the city in regard to the social acceptance of them.
–Richard Estes
Noreen is a particularly nasty individual, I remember last year I came close to taking a swing at her. Even the person with her, Sandy Sokolow seemed to be embarrassed by her antics.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did
And, yet, people want to believe that there hasn’t a deliberate desire by some long time residents of Davis to discourage the integration of African Americans as part of the Davis community, and, no interest in addressing the notorious reputation the city in regard to the social acceptance of them.
–Richard Estes
Noreen is a particularly nasty individual, I remember last year I came close to taking a swing at her. Even the person with her, Sandy Sokolow seemed to be embarrassed by her antics.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did
And, yet, people want to believe that there hasn’t a deliberate desire by some long time residents of Davis to discourage the integration of African Americans as part of the Davis community, and, no interest in addressing the notorious reputation the city in regard to the social acceptance of them.
–Richard Estes
Noreen is a particularly nasty individual, I remember last year I came close to taking a swing at her. Even the person with her, Sandy Sokolow seemed to be embarrassed by her antics.
Calhoun was in line to speak and as he approached the podium, Noreen commented, “Oh god here comes Snoop Dogg”, in a not so nice way. Bill did not hear it, but most people in my area did
And, yet, people want to believe that there hasn’t a deliberate desire by some long time residents of Davis to discourage the integration of African Americans as part of the Davis community, and, no interest in addressing the notorious reputation the city in regard to the social acceptance of them.
–Richard Estes
I am a Davis native who is now employed in the the legislature.
A few months ago, while working one of my bills in an office, the topic of Davis came up. The staffer relayed to me a story of his experience of being black in Davis.
In 2000, he was walking precincts for the Presidential election in West Davis. He was dressed in slacks, a button up shirt, a tie, a Gore button and was dangerously armed with his clipboard.
After about an hour of going to Democratic households, a patrol car pulled over next him while he was walking on he side walk. The officer got out of the car and asked to speak with him.
The officer informed him that someone in the neighborhood had called the police about a suspicous black man. The officer apologized and went on his way, but the man quit for the day and told himself he would never go back to Davis.
Similar to what Richard said, its not always the police who give Davis a bad reputation, but the citizens.
I should have posted this on the Bob Aaronson article…but it realted to the thread.
I am a Davis native who is now employed in the the legislature.
A few months ago, while working one of my bills in an office, the topic of Davis came up. The staffer relayed to me a story of his experience of being black in Davis.
In 2000, he was walking precincts for the Presidential election in West Davis. He was dressed in slacks, a button up shirt, a tie, a Gore button and was dangerously armed with his clipboard.
After about an hour of going to Democratic households, a patrol car pulled over next him while he was walking on he side walk. The officer got out of the car and asked to speak with him.
The officer informed him that someone in the neighborhood had called the police about a suspicous black man. The officer apologized and went on his way, but the man quit for the day and told himself he would never go back to Davis.
Similar to what Richard said, its not always the police who give Davis a bad reputation, but the citizens.
I should have posted this on the Bob Aaronson article…but it realted to the thread.
I am a Davis native who is now employed in the the legislature.
A few months ago, while working one of my bills in an office, the topic of Davis came up. The staffer relayed to me a story of his experience of being black in Davis.
In 2000, he was walking precincts for the Presidential election in West Davis. He was dressed in slacks, a button up shirt, a tie, a Gore button and was dangerously armed with his clipboard.
After about an hour of going to Democratic households, a patrol car pulled over next him while he was walking on he side walk. The officer got out of the car and asked to speak with him.
The officer informed him that someone in the neighborhood had called the police about a suspicous black man. The officer apologized and went on his way, but the man quit for the day and told himself he would never go back to Davis.
Similar to what Richard said, its not always the police who give Davis a bad reputation, but the citizens.
I should have posted this on the Bob Aaronson article…but it realted to the thread.
I am a Davis native who is now employed in the the legislature.
A few months ago, while working one of my bills in an office, the topic of Davis came up. The staffer relayed to me a story of his experience of being black in Davis.
In 2000, he was walking precincts for the Presidential election in West Davis. He was dressed in slacks, a button up shirt, a tie, a Gore button and was dangerously armed with his clipboard.
After about an hour of going to Democratic households, a patrol car pulled over next him while he was walking on he side walk. The officer got out of the car and asked to speak with him.
The officer informed him that someone in the neighborhood had called the police about a suspicous black man. The officer apologized and went on his way, but the man quit for the day and told himself he would never go back to Davis.
Similar to what Richard said, its not always the police who give Davis a bad reputation, but the citizens.
I should have posted this on the Bob Aaronson article…but it realted to the thread.
bob is a good writer but I sometimes prefer the less arrogant writers of other small town papers. i think he is given too prominent a location in the paper, and too much freedom in the topics he chooses to expound upon in that prominent space. it gives the paper too informal and unprofessional a feeling.
In other words, he has too much influence for the (chosen) low level of professionalism he ascribes to.
bob is a good writer but I sometimes prefer the less arrogant writers of other small town papers. i think he is given too prominent a location in the paper, and too much freedom in the topics he chooses to expound upon in that prominent space. it gives the paper too informal and unprofessional a feeling.
In other words, he has too much influence for the (chosen) low level of professionalism he ascribes to.
bob is a good writer but I sometimes prefer the less arrogant writers of other small town papers. i think he is given too prominent a location in the paper, and too much freedom in the topics he chooses to expound upon in that prominent space. it gives the paper too informal and unprofessional a feeling.
In other words, he has too much influence for the (chosen) low level of professionalism he ascribes to.
bob is a good writer but I sometimes prefer the less arrogant writers of other small town papers. i think he is given too prominent a location in the paper, and too much freedom in the topics he chooses to expound upon in that prominent space. it gives the paper too informal and unprofessional a feeling.
In other words, he has too much influence for the (chosen) low level of professionalism he ascribes to.
G&S –
After reading the story of the election worker I became very angry but not for the reasons you may think.
I was not angry with the person that made the call to the police to report a suspicious black man. I will not try to understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe this person reports anyone in the neighborhood and the term “Black“ is just a description not an ideology.
I was not angry with the police since from the description it seemed to be a non-eventful meeting. The officer even apologizes upon departure.
What got me ticked was the fact that the campaign-worker took the opportunity to become a victim. We are not all Rosa Parks, but this guy let what I consider to be so utterly minor send him packing with his tail between his legs. Because of that he would never come to Davis again, how silly! I am glad that the civil rights activist of yesteryear didn’t get dissuaded so easily.
There are those in Davis and on this blog that would label Davis some bastion of racist and minority haters. I have been all over the country and the world and I have never heard such tripe. Davis is known for the University of California, bicycles, and its sometimes whacky politics, not being the Mississippi of the West as some have put it.
I believe it makes some people feel good about themselves to play the victim and make mountains out of mole hills.
G&S –
After reading the story of the election worker I became very angry but not for the reasons you may think.
I was not angry with the person that made the call to the police to report a suspicious black man. I will not try to understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe this person reports anyone in the neighborhood and the term “Black“ is just a description not an ideology.
I was not angry with the police since from the description it seemed to be a non-eventful meeting. The officer even apologizes upon departure.
What got me ticked was the fact that the campaign-worker took the opportunity to become a victim. We are not all Rosa Parks, but this guy let what I consider to be so utterly minor send him packing with his tail between his legs. Because of that he would never come to Davis again, how silly! I am glad that the civil rights activist of yesteryear didn’t get dissuaded so easily.
There are those in Davis and on this blog that would label Davis some bastion of racist and minority haters. I have been all over the country and the world and I have never heard such tripe. Davis is known for the University of California, bicycles, and its sometimes whacky politics, not being the Mississippi of the West as some have put it.
I believe it makes some people feel good about themselves to play the victim and make mountains out of mole hills.
G&S –
After reading the story of the election worker I became very angry but not for the reasons you may think.
I was not angry with the person that made the call to the police to report a suspicious black man. I will not try to understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe this person reports anyone in the neighborhood and the term “Black“ is just a description not an ideology.
I was not angry with the police since from the description it seemed to be a non-eventful meeting. The officer even apologizes upon departure.
What got me ticked was the fact that the campaign-worker took the opportunity to become a victim. We are not all Rosa Parks, but this guy let what I consider to be so utterly minor send him packing with his tail between his legs. Because of that he would never come to Davis again, how silly! I am glad that the civil rights activist of yesteryear didn’t get dissuaded so easily.
There are those in Davis and on this blog that would label Davis some bastion of racist and minority haters. I have been all over the country and the world and I have never heard such tripe. Davis is known for the University of California, bicycles, and its sometimes whacky politics, not being the Mississippi of the West as some have put it.
I believe it makes some people feel good about themselves to play the victim and make mountains out of mole hills.
G&S –
After reading the story of the election worker I became very angry but not for the reasons you may think.
I was not angry with the person that made the call to the police to report a suspicious black man. I will not try to understand the reasoning behind that. Maybe this person reports anyone in the neighborhood and the term “Black“ is just a description not an ideology.
I was not angry with the police since from the description it seemed to be a non-eventful meeting. The officer even apologizes upon departure.
What got me ticked was the fact that the campaign-worker took the opportunity to become a victim. We are not all Rosa Parks, but this guy let what I consider to be so utterly minor send him packing with his tail between his legs. Because of that he would never come to Davis again, how silly! I am glad that the civil rights activist of yesteryear didn’t get dissuaded so easily.
There are those in Davis and on this blog that would label Davis some bastion of racist and minority haters. I have been all over the country and the world and I have never heard such tripe. Davis is known for the University of California, bicycles, and its sometimes whacky politics, not being the Mississippi of the West as some have put it.
I believe it makes some people feel good about themselves to play the victim and make mountains out of mole hills.
mr. vangaurd,
You will never attain your most coveted prize – to be Bob Dunning.
of course with your own “agenda”. It is ironic that the davis police, your other enemy has a similar problem to yours – they want to be real cops fighting real crime. You want to be a real journalist. . . unfortunately your audience wouldn’t pay to read your arrogant rants.
Perhaps it is a sign of the times that the bloggers think of themselves as the storymakers inserting themselves into the story at the cost of being completely biased. I like the line “how has the vanguard changed Davis politics”? The only thing better was Lamars beat down of your own personal hype.
You and Perez Hilton are on the same level and for that I thank you.
only he is funny.
Keep fighting that “biased” Enterprise, hopefully they close up shop and you can be the Bob Dunning of the reborn Davis Democrat. What a glorious thing that would be.
mr. vangaurd,
You will never attain your most coveted prize – to be Bob Dunning.
of course with your own “agenda”. It is ironic that the davis police, your other enemy has a similar problem to yours – they want to be real cops fighting real crime. You want to be a real journalist. . . unfortunately your audience wouldn’t pay to read your arrogant rants.
Perhaps it is a sign of the times that the bloggers think of themselves as the storymakers inserting themselves into the story at the cost of being completely biased. I like the line “how has the vanguard changed Davis politics”? The only thing better was Lamars beat down of your own personal hype.
You and Perez Hilton are on the same level and for that I thank you.
only he is funny.
Keep fighting that “biased” Enterprise, hopefully they close up shop and you can be the Bob Dunning of the reborn Davis Democrat. What a glorious thing that would be.
mr. vangaurd,
You will never attain your most coveted prize – to be Bob Dunning.
of course with your own “agenda”. It is ironic that the davis police, your other enemy has a similar problem to yours – they want to be real cops fighting real crime. You want to be a real journalist. . . unfortunately your audience wouldn’t pay to read your arrogant rants.
Perhaps it is a sign of the times that the bloggers think of themselves as the storymakers inserting themselves into the story at the cost of being completely biased. I like the line “how has the vanguard changed Davis politics”? The only thing better was Lamars beat down of your own personal hype.
You and Perez Hilton are on the same level and for that I thank you.
only he is funny.
Keep fighting that “biased” Enterprise, hopefully they close up shop and you can be the Bob Dunning of the reborn Davis Democrat. What a glorious thing that would be.
mr. vangaurd,
You will never attain your most coveted prize – to be Bob Dunning.
of course with your own “agenda”. It is ironic that the davis police, your other enemy has a similar problem to yours – they want to be real cops fighting real crime. You want to be a real journalist. . . unfortunately your audience wouldn’t pay to read your arrogant rants.
Perhaps it is a sign of the times that the bloggers think of themselves as the storymakers inserting themselves into the story at the cost of being completely biased. I like the line “how has the vanguard changed Davis politics”? The only thing better was Lamars beat down of your own personal hype.
You and Perez Hilton are on the same level and for that I thank you.
only he is funny.
Keep fighting that “biased” Enterprise, hopefully they close up shop and you can be the Bob Dunning of the reborn Davis Democrat. What a glorious thing that would be.