Unfortunately, instead of rightfully being critical of the actions of the police on the scene, the writer resorts name calling and charges of racism.
For instance he writes: “violently and viciously killed by our fine and highly trained Woodland Police Department.” He goes on to say, “some of these police officers are no more than group of thugs with badges.”
As we discussed earlier on this blog, the death of Ricardo Abrahams has left us with numerous questions about the handling of that case, the police’s overall handling of people who clearly have mental disabilities, among other things. I think it is absolutely right to be critical of the handling of this case based on what we currently know. There will be a full investigation that should tell us some of the details that we do not currently know and on that basis, the matter will be adjudicated.
That said, while I may understand the frustration of the letter writer, he goes to far, draws too far and too wide a net, and uses language that actually serves to undermine his case.
Matt Rexroad is inspired to write a response letter to the Woodland Daily Democrat. I probably agree with him on about 90 percent of what he said.
For example:
“Braun has no idea what happened to Abrahams. None of us do. The investigation is not complete. Until it is complete, we need to keep our minds open to the facts that are given to us.
Braun uses terms such as “violently and viciously killed”; he plays the race card and calls our officers “thugs with badges.” How much more uninformed can he be?”
He goes on to say,
“Braun needs to wait until the facts are known before making such statements.”
I would in fact go further than that, I do not see any purposes served in using that kind of language–even after all the facts are known.
However, there is one thing that does stand out in Mr. Rexroad’s letter than I could not disagree with more.
“They deserve the benefit of the doubt (and more) each and every time.”
The police are in a position of extreme public trust. They have the right to take private citizens into custody. They have the right under extreme conditions to legally end someone’s life. With that trust that we give them comes a high level of responsibility for which I do not think they deserve the benefit of the doubt when something goes wrong.
I think we have the right based on the facts at hand to be skeptical and respectfully (key word) question their handling of a given situation. The officers involved without doubt deserve to have a full and impartial inquiry into their actions. Moreover, they deserve regardless of their guilt or innocence not to be called derogatory terms. They also deserve not to suffer collective guilt for the actions of one or more individuals.
However, “benefit of the doubt” goes beyond withholding judgment in given case. It suggests expressing support for these officers in a judgment call type situation. They deserve not to be thrown under the bus, but having spoken to numerous law enforcement people, I have yet to hear one say that given what we know they did the right thing.
Mr. Rexroad also said:
“Woodland Police Officers are well trained. They also are forced to make decisions quickly and without the benefit of the comforts associated with post event analysis.”
They are well-trained, but part of my criticism is whether they were trained well enough to handle this situation. Again, this is based on what we know. They get a call from this facility who have a person who is out of control. The response from the police is to try to issue orders. The person is non-responsive. What is the proper way to deal with a non-responsive individual who is known to have mental disorders at the time? That is a question that we need to understand. Pretty much every person I spoke to who actually are involved in law enforcement has told me, using the taser in this situation is not the best course of action.
Second, it appears that they used the taser four times and yet it did not serve it’s desired purposes. Again, why is the response of the officers to repeat the scenario if it is not working.
Third, it appears that two officers simultaneously used the taser. Is that an appropriate course of action?
I understand that they are forced to make their decisions quickly and without the benefits of post-event analysis, part of the scrutiny here has to be on the training. What are they trained to do in these kinds of situations?
On a different but related topic
My wife drew my attention to this yesterday. Apparently, one of the new rages is a “Taser Party.” Kind of like a Tupperware Party.
Apparently Taser International is marking their products to the civilian market in addition to law enforcement.
I did not see this particular report, although I was able to Google similar news stories. One of the things that was striking was the person talking about how safe it was. Here we have trained police officers struggling with issues on Taser usage and we want civilians to have the capacity to use Tasers?
I will give Taser Internation credit for at least requiring its customers to submit to a criminal background, but I am increasing uncomfortable with the way the police use Tasers, I am much less comfortable with having lesser trained individuals carrying around these types of weapons.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
I hope the “official investigation” gets to the bottom to the incident – I worry that it will be a white wash job. I do not think it was outrageous to pull out the race card. Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black. I am only aware of one taser incident in Davis and that incident involved a Black student – the same student had just called the DPD to his house for help. I guess we need to see the taser use statistics.
I hope the Abrahams incident had more to do with the need for tighter taser use procedures, the need for better communication and better ways of dealing with people with mental issues.
I hope the “official investigation” gets to the bottom to the incident – I worry that it will be a white wash job. I do not think it was outrageous to pull out the race card. Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black. I am only aware of one taser incident in Davis and that incident involved a Black student – the same student had just called the DPD to his house for help. I guess we need to see the taser use statistics.
I hope the Abrahams incident had more to do with the need for tighter taser use procedures, the need for better communication and better ways of dealing with people with mental issues.
I hope the “official investigation” gets to the bottom to the incident – I worry that it will be a white wash job. I do not think it was outrageous to pull out the race card. Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black. I am only aware of one taser incident in Davis and that incident involved a Black student – the same student had just called the DPD to his house for help. I guess we need to see the taser use statistics.
I hope the Abrahams incident had more to do with the need for tighter taser use procedures, the need for better communication and better ways of dealing with people with mental issues.
I hope the “official investigation” gets to the bottom to the incident – I worry that it will be a white wash job. I do not think it was outrageous to pull out the race card. Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black. I am only aware of one taser incident in Davis and that incident involved a Black student – the same student had just called the DPD to his house for help. I guess we need to see the taser use statistics.
I hope the Abrahams incident had more to do with the need for tighter taser use procedures, the need for better communication and better ways of dealing with people with mental issues.
Here is the letter
Highly trained police officers have killed another Woodlander
Daily Democrat
Article Created: 06/15/2008 09:53:09 AM PDT
Alex Fernandez, Juan Nieto and now Ricardo Manuel Abrahams. Do these names ring a bell? Well, they should because all these gentlemen were violently and viciously killed by our fine and highly trained Woodland Police Department.
Yes, indeed, a fine group of intelligent, well disciplined, and highly skilled in the area of policing has done it again in the brutal and senseless death of a fellow citizen (Abrahams) who was trying to change his life for the better in our community. He was Tasered multiple times, beaten by police batons many times over as witnessed by several bystanders.
Now, the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office will not be investigating Abrahams death? Why? Because he worked 10 to 15 hours a week as an intern for the DA’s Office. They called it a conflict of interest. What a shame.
Furthermore, isn’t it a real coincidence all these young men were all minorities of Latino or Hispanic descent? I am in shock and can venture to say there are some extremely serious sensitivity and discriminatory issues here. Moreover, there are some outright human rights violations along with human relations aspects to this whole scenario. I, therefore, personally challenge Woodland Police Chief Carey Sullivan to emphatically investigate how these men were killed at the hands of his officers.
Chief Sullivan certainly needs to re-evaluate how his officers handle and control circumstances in which loss of life can be totally avoided. I am really becoming convinced some of these police officers are no more than group of thugs with badges. I therefore strongly urge Chief Sullivan to at least schedule some sort of town hall meetings or a series of coffees with the Latino community so that strong and positive human relations can be established and perhaps form a diverse committee to address cultural and/or traditional values and come up with a well-formalized plan of awareness and sensitivity. I welcome all members of our community to speak up and take a proactive approach and take action when the need arises. The death of Abrahams by the WPD is most certainly one of these occasions.
JOSEF S. BRAUN, Yolo
Here is the letter
Highly trained police officers have killed another Woodlander
Daily Democrat
Article Created: 06/15/2008 09:53:09 AM PDT
Alex Fernandez, Juan Nieto and now Ricardo Manuel Abrahams. Do these names ring a bell? Well, they should because all these gentlemen were violently and viciously killed by our fine and highly trained Woodland Police Department.
Yes, indeed, a fine group of intelligent, well disciplined, and highly skilled in the area of policing has done it again in the brutal and senseless death of a fellow citizen (Abrahams) who was trying to change his life for the better in our community. He was Tasered multiple times, beaten by police batons many times over as witnessed by several bystanders.
Now, the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office will not be investigating Abrahams death? Why? Because he worked 10 to 15 hours a week as an intern for the DA’s Office. They called it a conflict of interest. What a shame.
Furthermore, isn’t it a real coincidence all these young men were all minorities of Latino or Hispanic descent? I am in shock and can venture to say there are some extremely serious sensitivity and discriminatory issues here. Moreover, there are some outright human rights violations along with human relations aspects to this whole scenario. I, therefore, personally challenge Woodland Police Chief Carey Sullivan to emphatically investigate how these men were killed at the hands of his officers.
Chief Sullivan certainly needs to re-evaluate how his officers handle and control circumstances in which loss of life can be totally avoided. I am really becoming convinced some of these police officers are no more than group of thugs with badges. I therefore strongly urge Chief Sullivan to at least schedule some sort of town hall meetings or a series of coffees with the Latino community so that strong and positive human relations can be established and perhaps form a diverse committee to address cultural and/or traditional values and come up with a well-formalized plan of awareness and sensitivity. I welcome all members of our community to speak up and take a proactive approach and take action when the need arises. The death of Abrahams by the WPD is most certainly one of these occasions.
JOSEF S. BRAUN, Yolo
Here is the letter
Highly trained police officers have killed another Woodlander
Daily Democrat
Article Created: 06/15/2008 09:53:09 AM PDT
Alex Fernandez, Juan Nieto and now Ricardo Manuel Abrahams. Do these names ring a bell? Well, they should because all these gentlemen were violently and viciously killed by our fine and highly trained Woodland Police Department.
Yes, indeed, a fine group of intelligent, well disciplined, and highly skilled in the area of policing has done it again in the brutal and senseless death of a fellow citizen (Abrahams) who was trying to change his life for the better in our community. He was Tasered multiple times, beaten by police batons many times over as witnessed by several bystanders.
Now, the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office will not be investigating Abrahams death? Why? Because he worked 10 to 15 hours a week as an intern for the DA’s Office. They called it a conflict of interest. What a shame.
Furthermore, isn’t it a real coincidence all these young men were all minorities of Latino or Hispanic descent? I am in shock and can venture to say there are some extremely serious sensitivity and discriminatory issues here. Moreover, there are some outright human rights violations along with human relations aspects to this whole scenario. I, therefore, personally challenge Woodland Police Chief Carey Sullivan to emphatically investigate how these men were killed at the hands of his officers.
Chief Sullivan certainly needs to re-evaluate how his officers handle and control circumstances in which loss of life can be totally avoided. I am really becoming convinced some of these police officers are no more than group of thugs with badges. I therefore strongly urge Chief Sullivan to at least schedule some sort of town hall meetings or a series of coffees with the Latino community so that strong and positive human relations can be established and perhaps form a diverse committee to address cultural and/or traditional values and come up with a well-formalized plan of awareness and sensitivity. I welcome all members of our community to speak up and take a proactive approach and take action when the need arises. The death of Abrahams by the WPD is most certainly one of these occasions.
JOSEF S. BRAUN, Yolo
Here is the letter
Highly trained police officers have killed another Woodlander
Daily Democrat
Article Created: 06/15/2008 09:53:09 AM PDT
Alex Fernandez, Juan Nieto and now Ricardo Manuel Abrahams. Do these names ring a bell? Well, they should because all these gentlemen were violently and viciously killed by our fine and highly trained Woodland Police Department.
Yes, indeed, a fine group of intelligent, well disciplined, and highly skilled in the area of policing has done it again in the brutal and senseless death of a fellow citizen (Abrahams) who was trying to change his life for the better in our community. He was Tasered multiple times, beaten by police batons many times over as witnessed by several bystanders.
Now, the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office will not be investigating Abrahams death? Why? Because he worked 10 to 15 hours a week as an intern for the DA’s Office. They called it a conflict of interest. What a shame.
Furthermore, isn’t it a real coincidence all these young men were all minorities of Latino or Hispanic descent? I am in shock and can venture to say there are some extremely serious sensitivity and discriminatory issues here. Moreover, there are some outright human rights violations along with human relations aspects to this whole scenario. I, therefore, personally challenge Woodland Police Chief Carey Sullivan to emphatically investigate how these men were killed at the hands of his officers.
Chief Sullivan certainly needs to re-evaluate how his officers handle and control circumstances in which loss of life can be totally avoided. I am really becoming convinced some of these police officers are no more than group of thugs with badges. I therefore strongly urge Chief Sullivan to at least schedule some sort of town hall meetings or a series of coffees with the Latino community so that strong and positive human relations can be established and perhaps form a diverse committee to address cultural and/or traditional values and come up with a well-formalized plan of awareness and sensitivity. I welcome all members of our community to speak up and take a proactive approach and take action when the need arises. The death of Abrahams by the WPD is most certainly one of these occasions.
JOSEF S. BRAUN, Yolo
“Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black.”
I don’t think he was black, but why don’t we get off that stupid train once and for all. Apparently he WAS a very big guy and was behaving like he was going to be dangerous for the police to restrain. What if he was a big, white, biker-dude? The response from the police would have been the same. The situation is tragic and may lead to more training and police protocol changes. However, the taser is generally a very effective tool for the police to use to control the out-of-control big guy. What would you have the police do, shoot him with a real gun? They talked to him, and attempted to restrain him without using a firearm, but he would not cooperate and broke free. Was he a danger to himself and other civilians? It sounds reasonable to believe the cops involved would worry that he was.
The police are citizens and people too. They live in our neighborhoods and go to our community churches. Their kids attend the same schools and play sports with our kids. The four officers involved are likely more emotionally impacted by this situation than any of us arm-chair quarterbacks. Of course it warrants an investigation and review, but to demonize these public servants as being motivated by race is irresponsible and civically destructive.
Civil-rights activists have succeeded in elevating racism as one of the most repulsive and severe human attributes (e.g., hate crimes). I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.
“Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black.”
I don’t think he was black, but why don’t we get off that stupid train once and for all. Apparently he WAS a very big guy and was behaving like he was going to be dangerous for the police to restrain. What if he was a big, white, biker-dude? The response from the police would have been the same. The situation is tragic and may lead to more training and police protocol changes. However, the taser is generally a very effective tool for the police to use to control the out-of-control big guy. What would you have the police do, shoot him with a real gun? They talked to him, and attempted to restrain him without using a firearm, but he would not cooperate and broke free. Was he a danger to himself and other civilians? It sounds reasonable to believe the cops involved would worry that he was.
The police are citizens and people too. They live in our neighborhoods and go to our community churches. Their kids attend the same schools and play sports with our kids. The four officers involved are likely more emotionally impacted by this situation than any of us arm-chair quarterbacks. Of course it warrants an investigation and review, but to demonize these public servants as being motivated by race is irresponsible and civically destructive.
Civil-rights activists have succeeded in elevating racism as one of the most repulsive and severe human attributes (e.g., hate crimes). I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.
“Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black.”
I don’t think he was black, but why don’t we get off that stupid train once and for all. Apparently he WAS a very big guy and was behaving like he was going to be dangerous for the police to restrain. What if he was a big, white, biker-dude? The response from the police would have been the same. The situation is tragic and may lead to more training and police protocol changes. However, the taser is generally a very effective tool for the police to use to control the out-of-control big guy. What would you have the police do, shoot him with a real gun? They talked to him, and attempted to restrain him without using a firearm, but he would not cooperate and broke free. Was he a danger to himself and other civilians? It sounds reasonable to believe the cops involved would worry that he was.
The police are citizens and people too. They live in our neighborhoods and go to our community churches. Their kids attend the same schools and play sports with our kids. The four officers involved are likely more emotionally impacted by this situation than any of us arm-chair quarterbacks. Of course it warrants an investigation and review, but to demonize these public servants as being motivated by race is irresponsible and civically destructive.
Civil-rights activists have succeeded in elevating racism as one of the most repulsive and severe human attributes (e.g., hate crimes). I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.
“Why did they taser this person? Was it because he was unresponsive or was it because he was unresponsive and big and Black.”
I don’t think he was black, but why don’t we get off that stupid train once and for all. Apparently he WAS a very big guy and was behaving like he was going to be dangerous for the police to restrain. What if he was a big, white, biker-dude? The response from the police would have been the same. The situation is tragic and may lead to more training and police protocol changes. However, the taser is generally a very effective tool for the police to use to control the out-of-control big guy. What would you have the police do, shoot him with a real gun? They talked to him, and attempted to restrain him without using a firearm, but he would not cooperate and broke free. Was he a danger to himself and other civilians? It sounds reasonable to believe the cops involved would worry that he was.
The police are citizens and people too. They live in our neighborhoods and go to our community churches. Their kids attend the same schools and play sports with our kids. The four officers involved are likely more emotionally impacted by this situation than any of us arm-chair quarterbacks. Of course it warrants an investigation and review, but to demonize these public servants as being motivated by race is irresponsible and civically destructive.
Civil-rights activists have succeeded in elevating racism as one of the most repulsive and severe human attributes (e.g., hate crimes). I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.
I do believe that the police involved are mortified that he died. Never, in my wildest dreams, would I ever believe that they intended to do lasting harm to this individual. I can’t even imagine carrying the burden of having killed someone and the impact that this would have on my life and in carrying out the duties of my job.
I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
However, they do need to take responsiblity for the actions that caused the death of this person. In the end, this is the only way that these officers, the victim’s family and the community will ever come to terms with what happened and move past it.
I do believe that the police involved are mortified that he died. Never, in my wildest dreams, would I ever believe that they intended to do lasting harm to this individual. I can’t even imagine carrying the burden of having killed someone and the impact that this would have on my life and in carrying out the duties of my job.
I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
However, they do need to take responsiblity for the actions that caused the death of this person. In the end, this is the only way that these officers, the victim’s family and the community will ever come to terms with what happened and move past it.
I do believe that the police involved are mortified that he died. Never, in my wildest dreams, would I ever believe that they intended to do lasting harm to this individual. I can’t even imagine carrying the burden of having killed someone and the impact that this would have on my life and in carrying out the duties of my job.
I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
However, they do need to take responsiblity for the actions that caused the death of this person. In the end, this is the only way that these officers, the victim’s family and the community will ever come to terms with what happened and move past it.
I do believe that the police involved are mortified that he died. Never, in my wildest dreams, would I ever believe that they intended to do lasting harm to this individual. I can’t even imagine carrying the burden of having killed someone and the impact that this would have on my life and in carrying out the duties of my job.
I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
However, they do need to take responsiblity for the actions that caused the death of this person. In the end, this is the only way that these officers, the victim’s family and the community will ever come to terms with what happened and move past it.
No one is saying that the Officers intentionally caused his death and do not feel horrible. The question is whether those will tremendous responsibility, acted correctly.
No one is saying that the Officers intentionally caused his death and do not feel horrible. The question is whether those will tremendous responsibility, acted correctly.
No one is saying that the Officers intentionally caused his death and do not feel horrible. The question is whether those will tremendous responsibility, acted correctly.
No one is saying that the Officers intentionally caused his death and do not feel horrible. The question is whether those will tremendous responsibility, acted correctly.
I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand, I am not willing to assume anything, since we don’t know the facts. However, the term “blue wall of silence” did not come about in a vacuum. Nor did the misuse of the term “racism”. I actually think the letter writer made a valid point. Lets get together as a community and air our differences. This sort of incident causes stark feelings among both police supporters and detractors. Defusing the situation with some discussion sounds to me like a reasonable approach.
That said, I cringe at the public being sold Tasers, just as I cringe at the public owning handguns. Tasers particularly are troublesome, because anecdotal evidence is indicating Tasers can be deadly, even if unintentionally. Yet they are touted as nonlethal/safe. I would say there needs to be a nationwide review of Tasers – after all it is a huge electric shock to the system. It is not a leap of logic to assume it could easily cause a heart attack. Perhaps the UCD Med Center could apply for a grant to study this issue. Chokeholds used to be used by the LA police not so long ago, and was outlawed eventually because its kill rate was unacceptably high.
I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand, I am not willing to assume anything, since we don’t know the facts. However, the term “blue wall of silence” did not come about in a vacuum. Nor did the misuse of the term “racism”. I actually think the letter writer made a valid point. Lets get together as a community and air our differences. This sort of incident causes stark feelings among both police supporters and detractors. Defusing the situation with some discussion sounds to me like a reasonable approach.
That said, I cringe at the public being sold Tasers, just as I cringe at the public owning handguns. Tasers particularly are troublesome, because anecdotal evidence is indicating Tasers can be deadly, even if unintentionally. Yet they are touted as nonlethal/safe. I would say there needs to be a nationwide review of Tasers – after all it is a huge electric shock to the system. It is not a leap of logic to assume it could easily cause a heart attack. Perhaps the UCD Med Center could apply for a grant to study this issue. Chokeholds used to be used by the LA police not so long ago, and was outlawed eventually because its kill rate was unacceptably high.
I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand, I am not willing to assume anything, since we don’t know the facts. However, the term “blue wall of silence” did not come about in a vacuum. Nor did the misuse of the term “racism”. I actually think the letter writer made a valid point. Lets get together as a community and air our differences. This sort of incident causes stark feelings among both police supporters and detractors. Defusing the situation with some discussion sounds to me like a reasonable approach.
That said, I cringe at the public being sold Tasers, just as I cringe at the public owning handguns. Tasers particularly are troublesome, because anecdotal evidence is indicating Tasers can be deadly, even if unintentionally. Yet they are touted as nonlethal/safe. I would say there needs to be a nationwide review of Tasers – after all it is a huge electric shock to the system. It is not a leap of logic to assume it could easily cause a heart attack. Perhaps the UCD Med Center could apply for a grant to study this issue. Chokeholds used to be used by the LA police not so long ago, and was outlawed eventually because its kill rate was unacceptably high.
I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand, I am not willing to assume anything, since we don’t know the facts. However, the term “blue wall of silence” did not come about in a vacuum. Nor did the misuse of the term “racism”. I actually think the letter writer made a valid point. Lets get together as a community and air our differences. This sort of incident causes stark feelings among both police supporters and detractors. Defusing the situation with some discussion sounds to me like a reasonable approach.
That said, I cringe at the public being sold Tasers, just as I cringe at the public owning handguns. Tasers particularly are troublesome, because anecdotal evidence is indicating Tasers can be deadly, even if unintentionally. Yet they are touted as nonlethal/safe. I would say there needs to be a nationwide review of Tasers – after all it is a huge electric shock to the system. It is not a leap of logic to assume it could easily cause a heart attack. Perhaps the UCD Med Center could apply for a grant to study this issue. Chokeholds used to be used by the LA police not so long ago, and was outlawed eventually because its kill rate was unacceptably high.
“I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.”
Agreed although I should point out a number of the Yolo police agencies have used the accusation loosely. What goes around comes around.
“I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.”
Also agreed, but the Officers should have given Mr. Abrahams the benefit of the doubt.
“I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.”
Agreed although I should point out a number of the Yolo police agencies have used the accusation loosely. What goes around comes around.
“I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.”
Also agreed, but the Officers should have given Mr. Abrahams the benefit of the doubt.
“I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.”
Agreed although I should point out a number of the Yolo police agencies have used the accusation loosely. What goes around comes around.
“I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.”
Also agreed, but the Officers should have given Mr. Abrahams the benefit of the doubt.
“I am repulsed by those that use this accusation loosely. We should all be.”
Agreed although I should point out a number of the Yolo police agencies have used the accusation loosely. What goes around comes around.
“I do think that the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.”
Also agreed, but the Officers should have given Mr. Abrahams the benefit of the doubt.
You can count on Rexroad to KNOW what is the most effective political posturing. There’s no way he would let the law and order wedge issue get by without putting in his 2 cents. He is first and last a professional Republican PR guy and political/campaign operative. As a Woodland elected official , what counts are his votes. As regards his political posturing on growth issues, Woodland’s growth sprawl for the next decade at least is a done deal.. his patrons could care less about his rhetoric as long as he DELIVERS when it counts..
You can count on Rexroad to KNOW what is the most effective political posturing. There’s no way he would let the law and order wedge issue get by without putting in his 2 cents. He is first and last a professional Republican PR guy and political/campaign operative. As a Woodland elected official , what counts are his votes. As regards his political posturing on growth issues, Woodland’s growth sprawl for the next decade at least is a done deal.. his patrons could care less about his rhetoric as long as he DELIVERS when it counts..
You can count on Rexroad to KNOW what is the most effective political posturing. There’s no way he would let the law and order wedge issue get by without putting in his 2 cents. He is first and last a professional Republican PR guy and political/campaign operative. As a Woodland elected official , what counts are his votes. As regards his political posturing on growth issues, Woodland’s growth sprawl for the next decade at least is a done deal.. his patrons could care less about his rhetoric as long as he DELIVERS when it counts..
You can count on Rexroad to KNOW what is the most effective political posturing. There’s no way he would let the law and order wedge issue get by without putting in his 2 cents. He is first and last a professional Republican PR guy and political/campaign operative. As a Woodland elected official , what counts are his votes. As regards his political posturing on growth issues, Woodland’s growth sprawl for the next decade at least is a done deal.. his patrons could care less about his rhetoric as long as he DELIVERS when it counts..
Huh?
I think that it is the responsibility of our elected officials to lead the community in an effective response to crisis. One can hear the rumbling of discontent and unrest. What I see is a community leader trying to maintain calm and level-headedness in the community over an incident that has the potential to escalate out of control. I don’t know why this would be viewed as merely political and what this has to do with Matt Rexroad’s voting record on land planning issues.
Huh?
I think that it is the responsibility of our elected officials to lead the community in an effective response to crisis. One can hear the rumbling of discontent and unrest. What I see is a community leader trying to maintain calm and level-headedness in the community over an incident that has the potential to escalate out of control. I don’t know why this would be viewed as merely political and what this has to do with Matt Rexroad’s voting record on land planning issues.
Huh?
I think that it is the responsibility of our elected officials to lead the community in an effective response to crisis. One can hear the rumbling of discontent and unrest. What I see is a community leader trying to maintain calm and level-headedness in the community over an incident that has the potential to escalate out of control. I don’t know why this would be viewed as merely political and what this has to do with Matt Rexroad’s voting record on land planning issues.
Huh?
I think that it is the responsibility of our elected officials to lead the community in an effective response to crisis. One can hear the rumbling of discontent and unrest. What I see is a community leader trying to maintain calm and level-headedness in the community over an incident that has the potential to escalate out of control. I don’t know why this would be viewed as merely political and what this has to do with Matt Rexroad’s voting record on land planning issues.
David Greenwald,
I have always extended the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to everyone. I read your statement of disagreement with Mr. Rexroad. You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.
Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others. If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.
Maybe the officer should have been carrying only a baton, Wu Ming. Then maybe with medication, time and counseling he could get out and become a productive member of society. Or maybe he could find another small victim and kill them.
As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?
David Greenwald,
I have always extended the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to everyone. I read your statement of disagreement with Mr. Rexroad. You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.
Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others. If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.
Maybe the officer should have been carrying only a baton, Wu Ming. Then maybe with medication, time and counseling he could get out and become a productive member of society. Or maybe he could find another small victim and kill them.
As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?
David Greenwald,
I have always extended the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to everyone. I read your statement of disagreement with Mr. Rexroad. You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.
Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others. If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.
Maybe the officer should have been carrying only a baton, Wu Ming. Then maybe with medication, time and counseling he could get out and become a productive member of society. Or maybe he could find another small victim and kill them.
As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?
David Greenwald,
I have always extended the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to everyone. I read your statement of disagreement with Mr. Rexroad. You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.
Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others. If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.
Maybe the officer should have been carrying only a baton, Wu Ming. Then maybe with medication, time and counseling he could get out and become a productive member of society. Or maybe he could find another small victim and kill them.
As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?
“You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.”
I reserve judgment until I see the report, but as of now I lean toward believing that they did not handle the incident appropriately.
“Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others.”
He was, that point is not in question, the point in question was how best to handle that situation.
“If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.”
I’m not very familiar with the situation, in that case however, I’m more inclined to believe the police officer acted appropriately (without more information to go on).
“As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?”
I think most people, most of the time, have survived without the benefit of a having a Taser at their disposal.
“You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.”
I reserve judgment until I see the report, but as of now I lean toward believing that they did not handle the incident appropriately.
“Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others.”
He was, that point is not in question, the point in question was how best to handle that situation.
“If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.”
I’m not very familiar with the situation, in that case however, I’m more inclined to believe the police officer acted appropriately (without more information to go on).
“As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?”
I think most people, most of the time, have survived without the benefit of a having a Taser at their disposal.
“You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.”
I reserve judgment until I see the report, but as of now I lean toward believing that they did not handle the incident appropriately.
“Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others.”
He was, that point is not in question, the point in question was how best to handle that situation.
“If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.”
I’m not very familiar with the situation, in that case however, I’m more inclined to believe the police officer acted appropriately (without more information to go on).
“As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?”
I think most people, most of the time, have survived without the benefit of a having a Taser at their disposal.
“You would not give the “Benefit of the Doubt”, to those involved here. I have read your blog on previous occasions and now I must innform that you no longer have the “Benefit of Doubt” with me.”
I reserve judgment until I see the report, but as of now I lean toward believing that they did not handle the incident appropriately.
“Mr. Abrahams was mentally ill and very reasonably a danger to himself, and more importantly, others.”
He was, that point is not in question, the point in question was how best to handle that situation.
“If anyone wishes to respond to this could you also please include your thoughts on the mentally ill person that was shot to death by a Police Officer yesterday. That nut was holding a small child by the feet and beating it to death on the asphalt.”
I’m not very familiar with the situation, in that case however, I’m more inclined to believe the police officer acted appropriately (without more information to go on).
“As far as Taser’s being available to the public, David, what would you suggest they use as an alternative if one needs to defend one’s self?”
I think most people, most of the time, have survived without the benefit of a having a Taser at their disposal.
annonymous 1:18:
Each situation calls for a different response.
The man in the process killing the child was shot and killed by the one policeman on scene. This appears appropriate.
Davis Police last year tasered a man who was killing himself by repeatedly stabbing himself with a knife to get him to stop. The man died of his self-inflicted wounds despite this effort. This appears appropriate.
Mr. Abrahams appeared upset and disoriented and was not responding to commands by the officers on site. He was not in the process of killing someone else or himself. They tasered him 4 times and beat him with batons. He died. It is uncertain if this was appropriate. We need to find out.
Until then the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
annonymous 1:18:
Each situation calls for a different response.
The man in the process killing the child was shot and killed by the one policeman on scene. This appears appropriate.
Davis Police last year tasered a man who was killing himself by repeatedly stabbing himself with a knife to get him to stop. The man died of his self-inflicted wounds despite this effort. This appears appropriate.
Mr. Abrahams appeared upset and disoriented and was not responding to commands by the officers on site. He was not in the process of killing someone else or himself. They tasered him 4 times and beat him with batons. He died. It is uncertain if this was appropriate. We need to find out.
Until then the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
annonymous 1:18:
Each situation calls for a different response.
The man in the process killing the child was shot and killed by the one policeman on scene. This appears appropriate.
Davis Police last year tasered a man who was killing himself by repeatedly stabbing himself with a knife to get him to stop. The man died of his self-inflicted wounds despite this effort. This appears appropriate.
Mr. Abrahams appeared upset and disoriented and was not responding to commands by the officers on site. He was not in the process of killing someone else or himself. They tasered him 4 times and beat him with batons. He died. It is uncertain if this was appropriate. We need to find out.
Until then the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
annonymous 1:18:
Each situation calls for a different response.
The man in the process killing the child was shot and killed by the one policeman on scene. This appears appropriate.
Davis Police last year tasered a man who was killing himself by repeatedly stabbing himself with a knife to get him to stop. The man died of his self-inflicted wounds despite this effort. This appears appropriate.
Mr. Abrahams appeared upset and disoriented and was not responding to commands by the officers on site. He was not in the process of killing someone else or himself. They tasered him 4 times and beat him with batons. He died. It is uncertain if this was appropriate. We need to find out.
Until then the officers should be given the benefit of the doubt.
DPD,
“You think most people, most of the time, survive attacks without a taser”. The question was, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE? You did not answer the question. I have actually come to expect that kind of response from you.
You are so far off base with this it is astounding that you answer as you did. You “lean toward believing they did not handle the incident appropriately”.
You are judging them and have a pre-conceived notion, by your own statements, they did’nt do it correctly. What kind of a hypocrite are you? You are saying Guilty until Proven Innocent.
I have had enough of your self righteous pontifications. By the way there are some recent questions on this blog you apparently refused, not by statement, but by not answering. Come next election time I will Dog you and yours with the same questions. You are such a self serving person perhaps you should run for public office. Just for your info, I have far more public clout than you can imagine.
DPD,
“You think most people, most of the time, survive attacks without a taser”. The question was, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE? You did not answer the question. I have actually come to expect that kind of response from you.
You are so far off base with this it is astounding that you answer as you did. You “lean toward believing they did not handle the incident appropriately”.
You are judging them and have a pre-conceived notion, by your own statements, they did’nt do it correctly. What kind of a hypocrite are you? You are saying Guilty until Proven Innocent.
I have had enough of your self righteous pontifications. By the way there are some recent questions on this blog you apparently refused, not by statement, but by not answering. Come next election time I will Dog you and yours with the same questions. You are such a self serving person perhaps you should run for public office. Just for your info, I have far more public clout than you can imagine.
DPD,
“You think most people, most of the time, survive attacks without a taser”. The question was, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE? You did not answer the question. I have actually come to expect that kind of response from you.
You are so far off base with this it is astounding that you answer as you did. You “lean toward believing they did not handle the incident appropriately”.
You are judging them and have a pre-conceived notion, by your own statements, they did’nt do it correctly. What kind of a hypocrite are you? You are saying Guilty until Proven Innocent.
I have had enough of your self righteous pontifications. By the way there are some recent questions on this blog you apparently refused, not by statement, but by not answering. Come next election time I will Dog you and yours with the same questions. You are such a self serving person perhaps you should run for public office. Just for your info, I have far more public clout than you can imagine.
DPD,
“You think most people, most of the time, survive attacks without a taser”. The question was, WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE? You did not answer the question. I have actually come to expect that kind of response from you.
You are so far off base with this it is astounding that you answer as you did. You “lean toward believing they did not handle the incident appropriately”.
You are judging them and have a pre-conceived notion, by your own statements, they did’nt do it correctly. What kind of a hypocrite are you? You are saying Guilty until Proven Innocent.
I have had enough of your self righteous pontifications. By the way there are some recent questions on this blog you apparently refused, not by statement, but by not answering. Come next election time I will Dog you and yours with the same questions. You are such a self serving person perhaps you should run for public office. Just for your info, I have far more public clout than you can imagine.
Wow, DPD has a stalker.
Wow, DPD has a stalker.
Wow, DPD has a stalker.
Wow, DPD has a stalker.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
The same things we have used during the past several million years.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
The same things we have used during the past several million years.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
The same things we have used during the past several million years.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
The same things we have used during the past several million years.
Anon Above,
Could you elaborate please? What methods are you referring to? The only stalker that DPD has is the one in the mirror.
Anon Above,
Could you elaborate please? What methods are you referring to? The only stalker that DPD has is the one in the mirror.
Anon Above,
Could you elaborate please? What methods are you referring to? The only stalker that DPD has is the one in the mirror.
Anon Above,
Could you elaborate please? What methods are you referring to? The only stalker that DPD has is the one in the mirror.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
Actually, I watched a special on television some years ago, on the subject of how to defend yourself from an attacker. A victim was asked to walk down the street of a parking lot. S/he knew a “bad guy” was going to jump out in front of her/him. The victim was armed with a can of mace. Even though the victim knew ahead of time they were going to be attacked, every time s/he were never able to get to the mace befor the attacker got to them.
The best protection against a would-be attacker is 1) prevention by staying out of dangerous areas, not going out late at night, not going out alone; 2) install burglar alarms; 3) better yet get a dog. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It will protect you better than carrying a taser, that is more likely to be used by some kid who accidently gets a hold of it, than by you against an attacker.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
Actually, I watched a special on television some years ago, on the subject of how to defend yourself from an attacker. A victim was asked to walk down the street of a parking lot. S/he knew a “bad guy” was going to jump out in front of her/him. The victim was armed with a can of mace. Even though the victim knew ahead of time they were going to be attacked, every time s/he were never able to get to the mace befor the attacker got to them.
The best protection against a would-be attacker is 1) prevention by staying out of dangerous areas, not going out late at night, not going out alone; 2) install burglar alarms; 3) better yet get a dog. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It will protect you better than carrying a taser, that is more likely to be used by some kid who accidently gets a hold of it, than by you against an attacker.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
Actually, I watched a special on television some years ago, on the subject of how to defend yourself from an attacker. A victim was asked to walk down the street of a parking lot. S/he knew a “bad guy” was going to jump out in front of her/him. The victim was armed with a can of mace. Even though the victim knew ahead of time they were going to be attacked, every time s/he were never able to get to the mace befor the attacker got to them.
The best protection against a would-be attacker is 1) prevention by staying out of dangerous areas, not going out late at night, not going out alone; 2) install burglar alarms; 3) better yet get a dog. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It will protect you better than carrying a taser, that is more likely to be used by some kid who accidently gets a hold of it, than by you against an attacker.
“WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST AS AN ALTERNATIVE FOR A VICTIMS SELF DEFENSE?”
Actually, I watched a special on television some years ago, on the subject of how to defend yourself from an attacker. A victim was asked to walk down the street of a parking lot. S/he knew a “bad guy” was going to jump out in front of her/him. The victim was armed with a can of mace. Even though the victim knew ahead of time they were going to be attacked, every time s/he were never able to get to the mace befor the attacker got to them.
The best protection against a would-be attacker is 1) prevention by staying out of dangerous areas, not going out late at night, not going out alone; 2) install burglar alarms; 3) better yet get a dog. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It will protect you better than carrying a taser, that is more likely to be used by some kid who accidently gets a hold of it, than by you against an attacker.
For Prevention Said,
Having lived in a neighborhood that was, dangerous to venture out in, I understand what you are saying. We were all captive in our residences, due to a very small number of worthless human beings. We could’nt go out at night in the land of freedom due to some lowlife pigs,(I apologize to all porcine).
These are people that prey upon good, hard working, honest taxpayers. Just as reference, they are people like, Alex Fernandez and Juan Nieto. By the way, most apartment dwellers CAN’T have a dog in their residence.
The best prevention I saw, growing up in these kinds of neighborhoods was, SHEER FORCE.
When someone beat one of these pukes to a pulp and/or disabled them the violence subsided. Subsided until the next mental degenerate, with no parental guidance, came along.
As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.
For Prevention Said,
Having lived in a neighborhood that was, dangerous to venture out in, I understand what you are saying. We were all captive in our residences, due to a very small number of worthless human beings. We could’nt go out at night in the land of freedom due to some lowlife pigs,(I apologize to all porcine).
These are people that prey upon good, hard working, honest taxpayers. Just as reference, they are people like, Alex Fernandez and Juan Nieto. By the way, most apartment dwellers CAN’T have a dog in their residence.
The best prevention I saw, growing up in these kinds of neighborhoods was, SHEER FORCE.
When someone beat one of these pukes to a pulp and/or disabled them the violence subsided. Subsided until the next mental degenerate, with no parental guidance, came along.
As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.
For Prevention Said,
Having lived in a neighborhood that was, dangerous to venture out in, I understand what you are saying. We were all captive in our residences, due to a very small number of worthless human beings. We could’nt go out at night in the land of freedom due to some lowlife pigs,(I apologize to all porcine).
These are people that prey upon good, hard working, honest taxpayers. Just as reference, they are people like, Alex Fernandez and Juan Nieto. By the way, most apartment dwellers CAN’T have a dog in their residence.
The best prevention I saw, growing up in these kinds of neighborhoods was, SHEER FORCE.
When someone beat one of these pukes to a pulp and/or disabled them the violence subsided. Subsided until the next mental degenerate, with no parental guidance, came along.
As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.
For Prevention Said,
Having lived in a neighborhood that was, dangerous to venture out in, I understand what you are saying. We were all captive in our residences, due to a very small number of worthless human beings. We could’nt go out at night in the land of freedom due to some lowlife pigs,(I apologize to all porcine).
These are people that prey upon good, hard working, honest taxpayers. Just as reference, they are people like, Alex Fernandez and Juan Nieto. By the way, most apartment dwellers CAN’T have a dog in their residence.
The best prevention I saw, growing up in these kinds of neighborhoods was, SHEER FORCE.
When someone beat one of these pukes to a pulp and/or disabled them the violence subsided. Subsided until the next mental degenerate, with no parental guidance, came along.
As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.
“As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.”
Bet you a dog would be far more effective than a firearm. How many times has some kid gotten a hold of a firearm and accidently discharged it and killed someone, vs the owner of the gun protecting themselves from a would-be attacker? I would be curious to know.
In the Viet Nam War, all those soldiers who were in charge of a dog were never killed! Can a dog be disbled by being fed poison? Sure! If someone really wants to kill you, they will – the Maria could tell you that! But it makes common sense to take precautions, to cut down on your risk of being assaulted or killed.
Frankly, I personally don’t want to be around you when you are toting a gun. You might shoot me first, and ask questions later.
“As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.”
Bet you a dog would be far more effective than a firearm. How many times has some kid gotten a hold of a firearm and accidently discharged it and killed someone, vs the owner of the gun protecting themselves from a would-be attacker? I would be curious to know.
In the Viet Nam War, all those soldiers who were in charge of a dog were never killed! Can a dog be disbled by being fed poison? Sure! If someone really wants to kill you, they will – the Maria could tell you that! But it makes common sense to take precautions, to cut down on your risk of being assaulted or killed.
Frankly, I personally don’t want to be around you when you are toting a gun. You might shoot me first, and ask questions later.
“As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.”
Bet you a dog would be far more effective than a firearm. How many times has some kid gotten a hold of a firearm and accidently discharged it and killed someone, vs the owner of the gun protecting themselves from a would-be attacker? I would be curious to know.
In the Viet Nam War, all those soldiers who were in charge of a dog were never killed! Can a dog be disbled by being fed poison? Sure! If someone really wants to kill you, they will – the Maria could tell you that! But it makes common sense to take precautions, to cut down on your risk of being assaulted or killed.
Frankly, I personally don’t want to be around you when you are toting a gun. You might shoot me first, and ask questions later.
“As far as carrying Mace, it is useless unless it is carried in your hand while walking. Besides that, Mace is only 65% effective while 10% Pepper Spray, is 95% effective. A properly aimed round from a firearm is always effective.
Maybe you should quit watching TV and get out on the streets to walk bad neighborhoods with the captives of the worthless people in question. I do.”
Bet you a dog would be far more effective than a firearm. How many times has some kid gotten a hold of a firearm and accidently discharged it and killed someone, vs the owner of the gun protecting themselves from a would-be attacker? I would be curious to know.
In the Viet Nam War, all those soldiers who were in charge of a dog were never killed! Can a dog be disbled by being fed poison? Sure! If someone really wants to kill you, they will – the Maria could tell you that! But it makes common sense to take precautions, to cut down on your risk of being assaulted or killed.
Frankly, I personally don’t want to be around you when you are toting a gun. You might shoot me first, and ask questions later.
To PREVENTION SAID,
I realize you do not understand the use of force. I was in the war in Vietnam. You are wrong about the dog handlers. In addition there were almost 4000 dogs left behind in Vietnam to whatever fate was waiting for them.
You insult the death of those “Dog Handlers” that died in that war.
Sincerely, A Veteran Combat Medic
To PREVENTION SAID,
I realize you do not understand the use of force. I was in the war in Vietnam. You are wrong about the dog handlers. In addition there were almost 4000 dogs left behind in Vietnam to whatever fate was waiting for them.
You insult the death of those “Dog Handlers” that died in that war.
Sincerely, A Veteran Combat Medic
To PREVENTION SAID,
I realize you do not understand the use of force. I was in the war in Vietnam. You are wrong about the dog handlers. In addition there were almost 4000 dogs left behind in Vietnam to whatever fate was waiting for them.
You insult the death of those “Dog Handlers” that died in that war.
Sincerely, A Veteran Combat Medic
To PREVENTION SAID,
I realize you do not understand the use of force. I was in the war in Vietnam. You are wrong about the dog handlers. In addition there were almost 4000 dogs left behind in Vietnam to whatever fate was waiting for them.
You insult the death of those “Dog Handlers” that died in that war.
Sincerely, A Veteran Combat Medic
More food for thought:
Bakersfield Incident
This is an incident that occurred in Bakersfield where the police arrested a person and it turned out he was having stroke rather than under the influence.
More food for thought:
Bakersfield Incident
This is an incident that occurred in Bakersfield where the police arrested a person and it turned out he was having stroke rather than under the influence.
More food for thought:
Bakersfield Incident
This is an incident that occurred in Bakersfield where the police arrested a person and it turned out he was having stroke rather than under the influence.
More food for thought:
Bakersfield Incident
This is an incident that occurred in Bakersfield where the police arrested a person and it turned out he was having stroke rather than under the influence.