West Village Development Takes a Major Step Forward

For those wondering when the West Village development will get moving, the answer is apparently very soon. The University announced yesterday that they had signed the “ground lease” for the West Village and thus taken a major step toward the first phase of development.

According to the release:

“UC Davis and its development partner, West Village Community Partnership LLC, last week signed a ground lease for the project, clearing the way for the design and construction phase of the project.”

The University will begin construction this fall on the project’s off-site infrastructure, including water and sewer connections to campus systems, a storm water drainage system and entry road improvements.

Ground is expected to be broken in the spring of 2009.

Faculty/ staff housing and student housing could be available as early as fall 2010.

Chancellor Larry Vanderhoef applauded the announcement.

“After years of planning, we are excited to be moving on to the design and construction phase of the project with our private development partners. We are confident that West Village Community Partnership will be delivering an exceptional neighborhood not only for our university community, but for our region, as well.”

Ron Zeff, CEO of Carmel Partners of San Franiciso, on of the groups that makes up West Village Community Partnership, said:

“This successful milestone represents our continued collaborative approach with the university to address UC Davis’ long-term housing needs. West Village Community Partnership can now focus our full energies and resources to design and construct the West Village neighborhood that incorporates the values, and reflects the aspirations, of the university and the Davis community.”

The release laid out the three phases of the construction plan, this being the first.

“As currently planned, the 130-acre Phase 1 includes 343 single-family homes for faculty and staff, apartment housing for up to 1,980 students and a village square surrounded by ground-floor commercial space and the Los Rios Community College District’s new Davis Center.

In all, the plan for West Village comprises two phases for a combined 475 new homes for faculty and staff, and housing for 3,000 students. Many of the faculty and staff homes will include small cottages, like those at the 37-unit Aggie Village project adjacent to campus. Cottages will increase the population density and provide more student-housing options.

When the final phase is completed, planners estimate that West Village will be home to about 4,350 people — including 500 faculty and staff members and their families, plus students. The plan calls for a generous open-space network that offers integrated bike and pedestrian connections to the campus. UNITRANS will provide frequent bus service to the neighborhood.”

A key part of the plan is that this provides faculty and staff with below market price housing. The university is believes that this will “assist in recruiting and retaining top talent by enabling them to live locally and participate fully in the life of the campus and community.”

“West Village will make this possible by adding to the Davis housing supply and selling the homes at below-market prices for the Davis area. The homes will also have certain resale price limitations to maintain affordability over time.”

Commentary

One of the reasons I have long advocated for the university to help provide housing to students and faculty-staff is their ability to offer housing at below market value. I think the city of Davis needs to work closer in concert with the university toward these ends.

There are a number of very interesting and promising models out there for how to accomplish it. This is one model, but it appears from the last statement that there will not be full equity.

One of the models I would like to see leadership at the university and the city take a look at is what they have done in Stanford. I have mentioned this on the blog a number of times. The housing market in Palo Alto is prohibitive and Stanford found themselves at a severe competitive disadvantage in trying to get top-notch academic talent.

As a result, they developed an innovative program whereby they would help guarantee and finance the loans to faculty for new housing, the faculty members would own the house outright and retain full equity. I would be very interested in seeing how they do that.

In addition the issue of student housing needs to be addressed. UC Davis is the UC with the lowest percentage of on-campus housing. As is the case with faculty and staff housing, the campus can better provide housing at below market cost than the city. They also have available land to make it work.

As we discuss further the concept of internal housing needs, the university must be a part of this discussion. Too often the city and university have been at odds with each other on these projects.

There is one further issue that needs to be addressed now that the development at West Village is imminent. That is the issue of annexation. The models from both the University and the city show that the city is the entity that can best provide the necessary services to West Davis. In both cases, there is a net loss in terms of revenue. However, the project loses less when the city annexes it than when the University runs it on campus. That means it is in the interest of both sides to negotiate an appropriate agreement on how it is to be annexed and run.

There are a number of political issues however that would have been resolved in order for that to be accomplished including whether the annexation of West Village would count toward Davis’ growth requirements.

From a personal standpoint as someone who frequently uses the path along Russell as it extends from Highway 113 out to Pedrick Road, I will be saddened with the lose of that beautiful open space as the path heads out west lined with trees and the feeling of serenity. I can only hope they do a good job of design and construction so that they do not turn that area into an eyesore.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

About The Author

David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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168 Comments

  1. Anonymous

    Vanderhoef didn’t even pretend to give a damn about what was good for Davis with this project. Nor did he ever make a cogent argument regarding it’s necessity. Once he smelled resistence by the town, he said to himself, “Damn hippies, good thing we don’t have to consult with them!” And he didn’t. The West Village Neighbors made a bad choice on their attorney who obligingly let the lawsuit be heard in UC’s home court literally. We had lost in our effort to be heard before we even started, but we just didn’t know it AND we got to pay an attorney for the privilege! But you know, I’m getting used to being exploited and given no explanation which makes any sense. Iraq, West Village, Prieto’s prison. After taking it up the rear on issue after issue I just want to know where’s my Yellow Ribbon?

  2. Anonymous

    Vanderhoef didn’t even pretend to give a damn about what was good for Davis with this project. Nor did he ever make a cogent argument regarding it’s necessity. Once he smelled resistence by the town, he said to himself, “Damn hippies, good thing we don’t have to consult with them!” And he didn’t. The West Village Neighbors made a bad choice on their attorney who obligingly let the lawsuit be heard in UC’s home court literally. We had lost in our effort to be heard before we even started, but we just didn’t know it AND we got to pay an attorney for the privilege! But you know, I’m getting used to being exploited and given no explanation which makes any sense. Iraq, West Village, Prieto’s prison. After taking it up the rear on issue after issue I just want to know where’s my Yellow Ribbon?

  3. Anonymous

    Vanderhoef didn’t even pretend to give a damn about what was good for Davis with this project. Nor did he ever make a cogent argument regarding it’s necessity. Once he smelled resistence by the town, he said to himself, “Damn hippies, good thing we don’t have to consult with them!” And he didn’t. The West Village Neighbors made a bad choice on their attorney who obligingly let the lawsuit be heard in UC’s home court literally. We had lost in our effort to be heard before we even started, but we just didn’t know it AND we got to pay an attorney for the privilege! But you know, I’m getting used to being exploited and given no explanation which makes any sense. Iraq, West Village, Prieto’s prison. After taking it up the rear on issue after issue I just want to know where’s my Yellow Ribbon?

  4. Anonymous

    Vanderhoef didn’t even pretend to give a damn about what was good for Davis with this project. Nor did he ever make a cogent argument regarding it’s necessity. Once he smelled resistence by the town, he said to himself, “Damn hippies, good thing we don’t have to consult with them!” And he didn’t. The West Village Neighbors made a bad choice on their attorney who obligingly let the lawsuit be heard in UC’s home court literally. We had lost in our effort to be heard before we even started, but we just didn’t know it AND we got to pay an attorney for the privilege! But you know, I’m getting used to being exploited and given no explanation which makes any sense. Iraq, West Village, Prieto’s prison. After taking it up the rear on issue after issue I just want to know where’s my Yellow Ribbon?

  5. Anonymous

    I believe the issue of annexation or not will have significant time, revenue, service and ultimately housing price implications. Whatever the outcome of negotiations between the University, City, County and DJUSD it will have to be approved by the Regents. This could all be for not. The Regents have the final say.

  6. Anonymous

    I believe the issue of annexation or not will have significant time, revenue, service and ultimately housing price implications. Whatever the outcome of negotiations between the University, City, County and DJUSD it will have to be approved by the Regents. This could all be for not. The Regents have the final say.

  7. Anonymous

    I believe the issue of annexation or not will have significant time, revenue, service and ultimately housing price implications. Whatever the outcome of negotiations between the University, City, County and DJUSD it will have to be approved by the Regents. This could all be for not. The Regents have the final say.

  8. Anonymous

    I believe the issue of annexation or not will have significant time, revenue, service and ultimately housing price implications. Whatever the outcome of negotiations between the University, City, County and DJUSD it will have to be approved by the Regents. This could all be for not. The Regents have the final say.

  9. Mike Harrington

    I know someone in Aggie Village, the development next to the Borders Shopping Center, and there is some bitterness over there about that particular kind of housing model. The housing was built by UCD years before this last boom in housing prices. Many who did not have the housing downpayment for Mace Ranch or Wildhorse signed leases for the UCD housing. Their friends with the downpayments bought housing, and now, years later, the UCD housing tenants do not have equity in their homes to pay for kids’ college, and the market value home owners do, and then some.

    I have not seen the proposed leases for the new UCD housing west of Hwy 113, but if its the same model (and it was billed as such by UCD when I was on the City Council), then there are going to be a lot of unhappy long term renters over there.

    Also, when UCD was completing its general plan for the campus, it was very clear that the campus could have provided infill development for all of those people and facilities, within the core campus east of Hwy 113.

    There are two issues that will come up in the next couple of years: 1) will UCD and the City eventually open up full access to Russell Blvd; and 2) will the City annex that neighborhood and enable those residents to vote in City elections?

  10. Mike Harrington

    I know someone in Aggie Village, the development next to the Borders Shopping Center, and there is some bitterness over there about that particular kind of housing model. The housing was built by UCD years before this last boom in housing prices. Many who did not have the housing downpayment for Mace Ranch or Wildhorse signed leases for the UCD housing. Their friends with the downpayments bought housing, and now, years later, the UCD housing tenants do not have equity in their homes to pay for kids’ college, and the market value home owners do, and then some.

    I have not seen the proposed leases for the new UCD housing west of Hwy 113, but if its the same model (and it was billed as such by UCD when I was on the City Council), then there are going to be a lot of unhappy long term renters over there.

    Also, when UCD was completing its general plan for the campus, it was very clear that the campus could have provided infill development for all of those people and facilities, within the core campus east of Hwy 113.

    There are two issues that will come up in the next couple of years: 1) will UCD and the City eventually open up full access to Russell Blvd; and 2) will the City annex that neighborhood and enable those residents to vote in City elections?

  11. Mike Harrington

    I know someone in Aggie Village, the development next to the Borders Shopping Center, and there is some bitterness over there about that particular kind of housing model. The housing was built by UCD years before this last boom in housing prices. Many who did not have the housing downpayment for Mace Ranch or Wildhorse signed leases for the UCD housing. Their friends with the downpayments bought housing, and now, years later, the UCD housing tenants do not have equity in their homes to pay for kids’ college, and the market value home owners do, and then some.

    I have not seen the proposed leases for the new UCD housing west of Hwy 113, but if its the same model (and it was billed as such by UCD when I was on the City Council), then there are going to be a lot of unhappy long term renters over there.

    Also, when UCD was completing its general plan for the campus, it was very clear that the campus could have provided infill development for all of those people and facilities, within the core campus east of Hwy 113.

    There are two issues that will come up in the next couple of years: 1) will UCD and the City eventually open up full access to Russell Blvd; and 2) will the City annex that neighborhood and enable those residents to vote in City elections?

  12. Mike Harrington

    I know someone in Aggie Village, the development next to the Borders Shopping Center, and there is some bitterness over there about that particular kind of housing model. The housing was built by UCD years before this last boom in housing prices. Many who did not have the housing downpayment for Mace Ranch or Wildhorse signed leases for the UCD housing. Their friends with the downpayments bought housing, and now, years later, the UCD housing tenants do not have equity in their homes to pay for kids’ college, and the market value home owners do, and then some.

    I have not seen the proposed leases for the new UCD housing west of Hwy 113, but if its the same model (and it was billed as such by UCD when I was on the City Council), then there are going to be a lot of unhappy long term renters over there.

    Also, when UCD was completing its general plan for the campus, it was very clear that the campus could have provided infill development for all of those people and facilities, within the core campus east of Hwy 113.

    There are two issues that will come up in the next couple of years: 1) will UCD and the City eventually open up full access to Russell Blvd; and 2) will the City annex that neighborhood and enable those residents to vote in City elections?

  13. Anonymous

    The answer to the question of whether West Village,when annexed, will be counted as part of Davis’ growth is obvious. Our elected representatives who attempt to argue otherwise will risk clearly revealing whose interests they champion on our Council.

  14. Anonymous

    The answer to the question of whether West Village,when annexed, will be counted as part of Davis’ growth is obvious. Our elected representatives who attempt to argue otherwise will risk clearly revealing whose interests they champion on our Council.

  15. Anonymous

    The answer to the question of whether West Village,when annexed, will be counted as part of Davis’ growth is obvious. Our elected representatives who attempt to argue otherwise will risk clearly revealing whose interests they champion on our Council.

  16. Anonymous

    The answer to the question of whether West Village,when annexed, will be counted as part of Davis’ growth is obvious. Our elected representatives who attempt to argue otherwise will risk clearly revealing whose interests they champion on our Council.

  17. Anonymous

    Mike, Why do you care if the University does not provide a windfall for its students and employees by providing them with below market housing that they can then sell at top-dollar or refinance and pull money out of it for other things once the housing prices increase? Why not just have the employees set up college savings accounts with the money that they are saving because they don’t have to put down that huge down payment and pay that huge mortgage?

  18. Anonymous

    Mike, Why do you care if the University does not provide a windfall for its students and employees by providing them with below market housing that they can then sell at top-dollar or refinance and pull money out of it for other things once the housing prices increase? Why not just have the employees set up college savings accounts with the money that they are saving because they don’t have to put down that huge down payment and pay that huge mortgage?

  19. Anonymous

    Mike, Why do you care if the University does not provide a windfall for its students and employees by providing them with below market housing that they can then sell at top-dollar or refinance and pull money out of it for other things once the housing prices increase? Why not just have the employees set up college savings accounts with the money that they are saving because they don’t have to put down that huge down payment and pay that huge mortgage?

  20. Anonymous

    Mike, Why do you care if the University does not provide a windfall for its students and employees by providing them with below market housing that they can then sell at top-dollar or refinance and pull money out of it for other things once the housing prices increase? Why not just have the employees set up college savings accounts with the money that they are saving because they don’t have to put down that huge down payment and pay that huge mortgage?

  21. Rich Rifkin

    “Have the Regents approved the project?”

    Yes, of course. This happened at least 5-6 years ago.

    I share David’s lament for the loss of the open country/farmland from 113 to Road 98, but that’s “progress.”

    While I realize the political reasons for directing all of the car traffic away from Russell Blvd, I think on balance this will prove to be a mistake. Other than at the early rush hour — say from 7-9am — I don’t think traffic from WV would have caused a terrible traffic jam on Russell.

    By cutting off this community in the way the design does, we will make it harder for the residents of WV to integrate fully into Davis. And we will make it harder (and less likely) for the rest of Davis to integrate with WV.

    Nonetheless, the plans look very nice and I imagine it will be an excellent place to live.

    P.S. I concur with the person who questioned Mike Harrington’s criticism of the Aggie Village model. No one is forced to buy or rent one of these particular units. UCD and the city of Davis don’t owe these buyers a windfall profit. Rather, this kind of subsidized housing is a choice, and one which a lot of people appreciate (by choice). And beyond equity appreciation, Aggie Village is a gorgeous little neighborhood, much like West Village will not doubt be. There is “profit” in living in a nice place.

  22. Rich Rifkin

    “Have the Regents approved the project?”

    Yes, of course. This happened at least 5-6 years ago.

    I share David’s lament for the loss of the open country/farmland from 113 to Road 98, but that’s “progress.”

    While I realize the political reasons for directing all of the car traffic away from Russell Blvd, I think on balance this will prove to be a mistake. Other than at the early rush hour — say from 7-9am — I don’t think traffic from WV would have caused a terrible traffic jam on Russell.

    By cutting off this community in the way the design does, we will make it harder for the residents of WV to integrate fully into Davis. And we will make it harder (and less likely) for the rest of Davis to integrate with WV.

    Nonetheless, the plans look very nice and I imagine it will be an excellent place to live.

    P.S. I concur with the person who questioned Mike Harrington’s criticism of the Aggie Village model. No one is forced to buy or rent one of these particular units. UCD and the city of Davis don’t owe these buyers a windfall profit. Rather, this kind of subsidized housing is a choice, and one which a lot of people appreciate (by choice). And beyond equity appreciation, Aggie Village is a gorgeous little neighborhood, much like West Village will not doubt be. There is “profit” in living in a nice place.

  23. Rich Rifkin

    “Have the Regents approved the project?”

    Yes, of course. This happened at least 5-6 years ago.

    I share David’s lament for the loss of the open country/farmland from 113 to Road 98, but that’s “progress.”

    While I realize the political reasons for directing all of the car traffic away from Russell Blvd, I think on balance this will prove to be a mistake. Other than at the early rush hour — say from 7-9am — I don’t think traffic from WV would have caused a terrible traffic jam on Russell.

    By cutting off this community in the way the design does, we will make it harder for the residents of WV to integrate fully into Davis. And we will make it harder (and less likely) for the rest of Davis to integrate with WV.

    Nonetheless, the plans look very nice and I imagine it will be an excellent place to live.

    P.S. I concur with the person who questioned Mike Harrington’s criticism of the Aggie Village model. No one is forced to buy or rent one of these particular units. UCD and the city of Davis don’t owe these buyers a windfall profit. Rather, this kind of subsidized housing is a choice, and one which a lot of people appreciate (by choice). And beyond equity appreciation, Aggie Village is a gorgeous little neighborhood, much like West Village will not doubt be. There is “profit” in living in a nice place.

  24. Rich Rifkin

    “Have the Regents approved the project?”

    Yes, of course. This happened at least 5-6 years ago.

    I share David’s lament for the loss of the open country/farmland from 113 to Road 98, but that’s “progress.”

    While I realize the political reasons for directing all of the car traffic away from Russell Blvd, I think on balance this will prove to be a mistake. Other than at the early rush hour — say from 7-9am — I don’t think traffic from WV would have caused a terrible traffic jam on Russell.

    By cutting off this community in the way the design does, we will make it harder for the residents of WV to integrate fully into Davis. And we will make it harder (and less likely) for the rest of Davis to integrate with WV.

    Nonetheless, the plans look very nice and I imagine it will be an excellent place to live.

    P.S. I concur with the person who questioned Mike Harrington’s criticism of the Aggie Village model. No one is forced to buy or rent one of these particular units. UCD and the city of Davis don’t owe these buyers a windfall profit. Rather, this kind of subsidized housing is a choice, and one which a lot of people appreciate (by choice). And beyond equity appreciation, Aggie Village is a gorgeous little neighborhood, much like West Village will not doubt be. There is “profit” in living in a nice place.

  25. Rich Rifkin

    “In my opinion this growth will satisfy the need to even think about any development projects in Davis for the next decade…”

    If UCD does not grow a tremendous amount in the next 10 years, then that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

    After all, in terms of total housing units, West Village is about the same size as Covell Village would have been.

    This was in the Davis Enterprise, regarding its size:

    “West Village will include 1,600 housing units when the final phase of construction is completed by 2015. The neighborhood will accommodate 4,350 residents. Of those, 3,000 will be students and 500 will be faculty, staff members and their families.”

    I would guess, though, that a few dozen houses each year, here and there, will be approved in Davis, once the mortgage market returns to full health.

  26. Rich Rifkin

    “In my opinion this growth will satisfy the need to even think about any development projects in Davis for the next decade…”

    If UCD does not grow a tremendous amount in the next 10 years, then that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

    After all, in terms of total housing units, West Village is about the same size as Covell Village would have been.

    This was in the Davis Enterprise, regarding its size:

    “West Village will include 1,600 housing units when the final phase of construction is completed by 2015. The neighborhood will accommodate 4,350 residents. Of those, 3,000 will be students and 500 will be faculty, staff members and their families.”

    I would guess, though, that a few dozen houses each year, here and there, will be approved in Davis, once the mortgage market returns to full health.

  27. Rich Rifkin

    “In my opinion this growth will satisfy the need to even think about any development projects in Davis for the next decade…”

    If UCD does not grow a tremendous amount in the next 10 years, then that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

    After all, in terms of total housing units, West Village is about the same size as Covell Village would have been.

    This was in the Davis Enterprise, regarding its size:

    “West Village will include 1,600 housing units when the final phase of construction is completed by 2015. The neighborhood will accommodate 4,350 residents. Of those, 3,000 will be students and 500 will be faculty, staff members and their families.”

    I would guess, though, that a few dozen houses each year, here and there, will be approved in Davis, once the mortgage market returns to full health.

  28. Rich Rifkin

    “In my opinion this growth will satisfy the need to even think about any development projects in Davis for the next decade…”

    If UCD does not grow a tremendous amount in the next 10 years, then that seems like a reasonable conclusion.

    After all, in terms of total housing units, West Village is about the same size as Covell Village would have been.

    This was in the Davis Enterprise, regarding its size:

    “West Village will include 1,600 housing units when the final phase of construction is completed by 2015. The neighborhood will accommodate 4,350 residents. Of those, 3,000 will be students and 500 will be faculty, staff members and their families.”

    I would guess, though, that a few dozen houses each year, here and there, will be approved in Davis, once the mortgage market returns to full health.

  29. West Davis resident

    The economic slump is expected to remain for another 3 to 4 years so housing in Davis should be ok (after this evelopment) through 2015 or 2020.

    What about Hunt Wesson? Will that housing be needed?

  30. West Davis resident

    The economic slump is expected to remain for another 3 to 4 years so housing in Davis should be ok (after this evelopment) through 2015 or 2020.

    What about Hunt Wesson? Will that housing be needed?

  31. West Davis resident

    The economic slump is expected to remain for another 3 to 4 years so housing in Davis should be ok (after this evelopment) through 2015 or 2020.

    What about Hunt Wesson? Will that housing be needed?

  32. West Davis resident

    The economic slump is expected to remain for another 3 to 4 years so housing in Davis should be ok (after this evelopment) through 2015 or 2020.

    What about Hunt Wesson? Will that housing be needed?

  33. Ron Glick

    Mike what makes you think anyone will have any equity left in anything in Wildhorse or Mace Ranch when the mortgage meltdown is over?

    As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do. I am saddened to see annexation subodinated to a dispute about growth.

    I propose a measure J vote on annexation of West Village. Let the people decide.

  34. Ron Glick

    Mike what makes you think anyone will have any equity left in anything in Wildhorse or Mace Ranch when the mortgage meltdown is over?

    As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do. I am saddened to see annexation subodinated to a dispute about growth.

    I propose a measure J vote on annexation of West Village. Let the people decide.

  35. Ron Glick

    Mike what makes you think anyone will have any equity left in anything in Wildhorse or Mace Ranch when the mortgage meltdown is over?

    As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do. I am saddened to see annexation subodinated to a dispute about growth.

    I propose a measure J vote on annexation of West Village. Let the people decide.

  36. Ron Glick

    Mike what makes you think anyone will have any equity left in anything in Wildhorse or Mace Ranch when the mortgage meltdown is over?

    As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do. I am saddened to see annexation subodinated to a dispute about growth.

    I propose a measure J vote on annexation of West Village. Let the people decide.

  37. Anonymous

    As a young faculty member who is seriously considering relocating to West Village, I sincerely hope that UC will NOT accept annexation of WV to City of Davis. I have been continuously disappointed by the hostility of the city towards any type of growth and total lack of interest in offering affordable housing for the university employees. The hostility of some city residents was even directed to WV which further delayed the project.

    After ingoring the voices of newer university workers for affordable housing, after the residents sueing UC for the project which so many UCD employees looked forward to, after the city demanding the UC to virtually cut off dicrect traffic between WV and the City, why should WV residents pay taxes to the City that doesn’t want them driving through Russel Blvd? Or to the City that’s just interested in property values and an excuse not to build more housing?

    I couldn’t care less about voting for the dysfunct city council and wouldn’t mind a bit if I had to pay few more hundred dollars in fees to cover utility bills. Please don’t suck WV into the egos of equity-loving city residents.

  38. Anonymous

    As a young faculty member who is seriously considering relocating to West Village, I sincerely hope that UC will NOT accept annexation of WV to City of Davis. I have been continuously disappointed by the hostility of the city towards any type of growth and total lack of interest in offering affordable housing for the university employees. The hostility of some city residents was even directed to WV which further delayed the project.

    After ingoring the voices of newer university workers for affordable housing, after the residents sueing UC for the project which so many UCD employees looked forward to, after the city demanding the UC to virtually cut off dicrect traffic between WV and the City, why should WV residents pay taxes to the City that doesn’t want them driving through Russel Blvd? Or to the City that’s just interested in property values and an excuse not to build more housing?

    I couldn’t care less about voting for the dysfunct city council and wouldn’t mind a bit if I had to pay few more hundred dollars in fees to cover utility bills. Please don’t suck WV into the egos of equity-loving city residents.

  39. Anonymous

    As a young faculty member who is seriously considering relocating to West Village, I sincerely hope that UC will NOT accept annexation of WV to City of Davis. I have been continuously disappointed by the hostility of the city towards any type of growth and total lack of interest in offering affordable housing for the university employees. The hostility of some city residents was even directed to WV which further delayed the project.

    After ingoring the voices of newer university workers for affordable housing, after the residents sueing UC for the project which so many UCD employees looked forward to, after the city demanding the UC to virtually cut off dicrect traffic between WV and the City, why should WV residents pay taxes to the City that doesn’t want them driving through Russel Blvd? Or to the City that’s just interested in property values and an excuse not to build more housing?

    I couldn’t care less about voting for the dysfunct city council and wouldn’t mind a bit if I had to pay few more hundred dollars in fees to cover utility bills. Please don’t suck WV into the egos of equity-loving city residents.

  40. Anonymous

    As a young faculty member who is seriously considering relocating to West Village, I sincerely hope that UC will NOT accept annexation of WV to City of Davis. I have been continuously disappointed by the hostility of the city towards any type of growth and total lack of interest in offering affordable housing for the university employees. The hostility of some city residents was even directed to WV which further delayed the project.

    After ingoring the voices of newer university workers for affordable housing, after the residents sueing UC for the project which so many UCD employees looked forward to, after the city demanding the UC to virtually cut off dicrect traffic between WV and the City, why should WV residents pay taxes to the City that doesn’t want them driving through Russel Blvd? Or to the City that’s just interested in property values and an excuse not to build more housing?

    I couldn’t care less about voting for the dysfunct city council and wouldn’t mind a bit if I had to pay few more hundred dollars in fees to cover utility bills. Please don’t suck WV into the egos of equity-loving city residents.

  41. Rich Rifkin

    “As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do.”

    My suggestion is that after 2015, when WV is fully populated, the residents of that community ought to vote on whether they prefer annexation or not. You assume that voting in Davis elections means everything to these residents. Your assumption may well be entirely wrong.

    If the WV people do want annexation, then the city of Davis should consider it. Unfortunately, it’s not financially in the best interests of the rest of Davis — it will be a net fiscal loss to the city to annex WV.

    It is my understanding that annexation is a money loser for two reasons: 1. because of the inflated salaries and benefits we pay to city employees and 2. because of the way property tax revenues are allocated between the schools, the city, the county and the state.

    If our city council holds down the growth in its costs of labor (unlikely) in the next 7 years, that may not present such a large hurdle. However, there is nothing we can do about the distribution of property taxes.

  42. Rich Rifkin

    “As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do.”

    My suggestion is that after 2015, when WV is fully populated, the residents of that community ought to vote on whether they prefer annexation or not. You assume that voting in Davis elections means everything to these residents. Your assumption may well be entirely wrong.

    If the WV people do want annexation, then the city of Davis should consider it. Unfortunately, it’s not financially in the best interests of the rest of Davis — it will be a net fiscal loss to the city to annex WV.

    It is my understanding that annexation is a money loser for two reasons: 1. because of the inflated salaries and benefits we pay to city employees and 2. because of the way property tax revenues are allocated between the schools, the city, the county and the state.

    If our city council holds down the growth in its costs of labor (unlikely) in the next 7 years, that may not present such a large hurdle. However, there is nothing we can do about the distribution of property taxes.

  43. Rich Rifkin

    “As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do.”

    My suggestion is that after 2015, when WV is fully populated, the residents of that community ought to vote on whether they prefer annexation or not. You assume that voting in Davis elections means everything to these residents. Your assumption may well be entirely wrong.

    If the WV people do want annexation, then the city of Davis should consider it. Unfortunately, it’s not financially in the best interests of the rest of Davis — it will be a net fiscal loss to the city to annex WV.

    It is my understanding that annexation is a money loser for two reasons: 1. because of the inflated salaries and benefits we pay to city employees and 2. because of the way property tax revenues are allocated between the schools, the city, the county and the state.

    If our city council holds down the growth in its costs of labor (unlikely) in the next 7 years, that may not present such a large hurdle. However, there is nothing we can do about the distribution of property taxes.

  44. Rich Rifkin

    “As for annexing West Village we should do it because extending the right to vote is the right thing to do.”

    My suggestion is that after 2015, when WV is fully populated, the residents of that community ought to vote on whether they prefer annexation or not. You assume that voting in Davis elections means everything to these residents. Your assumption may well be entirely wrong.

    If the WV people do want annexation, then the city of Davis should consider it. Unfortunately, it’s not financially in the best interests of the rest of Davis — it will be a net fiscal loss to the city to annex WV.

    It is my understanding that annexation is a money loser for two reasons: 1. because of the inflated salaries and benefits we pay to city employees and 2. because of the way property tax revenues are allocated between the schools, the city, the county and the state.

    If our city council holds down the growth in its costs of labor (unlikely) in the next 7 years, that may not present such a large hurdle. However, there is nothing we can do about the distribution of property taxes.

  45. Doug Paul Davis

    Rich:

    I agree except for one point here. The analysis shows that the city loses less money than the university to provide services, that means that the university should have an incentive to work out a deal to mitigate those costs to the city.

  46. Doug Paul Davis

    Rich:

    I agree except for one point here. The analysis shows that the city loses less money than the university to provide services, that means that the university should have an incentive to work out a deal to mitigate those costs to the city.

  47. Doug Paul Davis

    Rich:

    I agree except for one point here. The analysis shows that the city loses less money than the university to provide services, that means that the university should have an incentive to work out a deal to mitigate those costs to the city.

  48. Doug Paul Davis

    Rich:

    I agree except for one point here. The analysis shows that the city loses less money than the university to provide services, that means that the university should have an incentive to work out a deal to mitigate those costs to the city.

  49. Anonymous

    >And I supposed anonymous it doesn't matter to you what you pay for services?

    First of all, there is no guarantee that the City will be able to provide services worth the hypothetical savings to the resident. I now live in part of Davis where it takes more than acceptable time for a fire truck get to, about which the City has recognized but done nothing during the last decade. The City that also keeps putting extra parcel taxes and bonds to cover ever increasing costs, the City whose school children populations are decreasing because of the unaffordable housing for young families yet the school district is facing major budget crisis, doesn't seem all that attractive as a potential WV resident.

    No, I would not mind paying few extra bucks to be a part of a new community that values the lives of the university workers and students more than the property values.

    >Anon, its about equality not equity.

    Read the discussion here. At the end of the day, all it comes down to is whether or not the City will make money or not. It has nothing to do with equality but everything with $$$.

  50. Anonymous

    >And I supposed anonymous it doesn't matter to you what you pay for services?

    First of all, there is no guarantee that the City will be able to provide services worth the hypothetical savings to the resident. I now live in part of Davis where it takes more than acceptable time for a fire truck get to, about which the City has recognized but done nothing during the last decade. The City that also keeps putting extra parcel taxes and bonds to cover ever increasing costs, the City whose school children populations are decreasing because of the unaffordable housing for young families yet the school district is facing major budget crisis, doesn't seem all that attractive as a potential WV resident.

    No, I would not mind paying few extra bucks to be a part of a new community that values the lives of the university workers and students more than the property values.

    >Anon, its about equality not equity.

    Read the discussion here. At the end of the day, all it comes down to is whether or not the City will make money or not. It has nothing to do with equality but everything with $$$.

  51. Anonymous

    >And I supposed anonymous it doesn't matter to you what you pay for services?

    First of all, there is no guarantee that the City will be able to provide services worth the hypothetical savings to the resident. I now live in part of Davis where it takes more than acceptable time for a fire truck get to, about which the City has recognized but done nothing during the last decade. The City that also keeps putting extra parcel taxes and bonds to cover ever increasing costs, the City whose school children populations are decreasing because of the unaffordable housing for young families yet the school district is facing major budget crisis, doesn't seem all that attractive as a potential WV resident.

    No, I would not mind paying few extra bucks to be a part of a new community that values the lives of the university workers and students more than the property values.

    >Anon, its about equality not equity.

    Read the discussion here. At the end of the day, all it comes down to is whether or not the City will make money or not. It has nothing to do with equality but everything with $$$.

  52. Anonymous

    >And I supposed anonymous it doesn't matter to you what you pay for services?

    First of all, there is no guarantee that the City will be able to provide services worth the hypothetical savings to the resident. I now live in part of Davis where it takes more than acceptable time for a fire truck get to, about which the City has recognized but done nothing during the last decade. The City that also keeps putting extra parcel taxes and bonds to cover ever increasing costs, the City whose school children populations are decreasing because of the unaffordable housing for young families yet the school district is facing major budget crisis, doesn't seem all that attractive as a potential WV resident.

    No, I would not mind paying few extra bucks to be a part of a new community that values the lives of the university workers and students more than the property values.

    >Anon, its about equality not equity.

    Read the discussion here. At the end of the day, all it comes down to is whether or not the City will make money or not. It has nothing to do with equality but everything with $$$.

  53. Against Hostility/For Cooperation

    Thus far, UC and the new WV will have very little incentive to become part of the City of Davis. We Davisites have shown them nothing but hostility, to the point that discussion was closed with the police having to escort West Davis residents from Emerson, where a meeting about WV was held.

    I have never understood this hositility, frankly. The city folk have consistently whined that we need more student and faculty housing, that UCD is not providing its fair share. Then when UCD agrees to build some more housing, UCD is lambasted with all sorts of complaints. Davisites can’t have it both ways.

    Neither do I understand the objections to DPD’s point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner’s dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    Staff will be faced with the unenviable choice of taking the rental housing, bc they may or may not be able to afford regular housing. But will staff stay, if conditions prove better elsewhere?

    I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford’s model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

  54. Against Hostility/For Cooperat

    Thus far, UC and the new WV will have very little incentive to become part of the City of Davis. We Davisites have shown them nothing but hostility, to the point that discussion was closed with the police having to escort West Davis residents from Emerson, where a meeting about WV was held.

    I have never understood this hositility, frankly. The city folk have consistently whined that we need more student and faculty housing, that UCD is not providing its fair share. Then when UCD agrees to build some more housing, UCD is lambasted with all sorts of complaints. Davisites can’t have it both ways.

    Neither do I understand the objections to DPD’s point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner’s dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    Staff will be faced with the unenviable choice of taking the rental housing, bc they may or may not be able to afford regular housing. But will staff stay, if conditions prove better elsewhere?

    I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford’s model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

  55. Against Hostility/For Cooperat

    Thus far, UC and the new WV will have very little incentive to become part of the City of Davis. We Davisites have shown them nothing but hostility, to the point that discussion was closed with the police having to escort West Davis residents from Emerson, where a meeting about WV was held.

    I have never understood this hositility, frankly. The city folk have consistently whined that we need more student and faculty housing, that UCD is not providing its fair share. Then when UCD agrees to build some more housing, UCD is lambasted with all sorts of complaints. Davisites can’t have it both ways.

    Neither do I understand the objections to DPD’s point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner’s dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    Staff will be faced with the unenviable choice of taking the rental housing, bc they may or may not be able to afford regular housing. But will staff stay, if conditions prove better elsewhere?

    I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford’s model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

  56. Against Hostility/For Cooperat

    Thus far, UC and the new WV will have very little incentive to become part of the City of Davis. We Davisites have shown them nothing but hostility, to the point that discussion was closed with the police having to escort West Davis residents from Emerson, where a meeting about WV was held.

    I have never understood this hositility, frankly. The city folk have consistently whined that we need more student and faculty housing, that UCD is not providing its fair share. Then when UCD agrees to build some more housing, UCD is lambasted with all sorts of complaints. Davisites can’t have it both ways.

    Neither do I understand the objections to DPD’s point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner’s dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    Staff will be faced with the unenviable choice of taking the rental housing, bc they may or may not be able to afford regular housing. But will staff stay, if conditions prove better elsewhere?

    I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford’s model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

  57. Anonymous

    >Neither do I understand the objections to DPD's point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner's dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    The fact that UCD faculty/staff are on the waiting list to live in Aggie Village and waiting to be on one for WV proves that not everyone is interested in "building equity". I am more than willing to trade the unrealized phantom of equity for quality, affordable housing close to campus within a community that values the lives of UCD constituents. I rent a place in Davis now but there is a huge difference in being able to do what I want with the house and not having to worry about rent increase or lease termination every year by owning a house in WV even if its resale value increase is restricted. I would feel more than enough sense of security for the future with a home in WV and a tenure appointment at UCD. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people eager to sign up to live in WV so I don't see what the problem is, especially when its coming from outside of the UCD community.

    >I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford's model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

    It's difficult to mimic what Stanford does with its huge endowment using tax money. But if UCD could adopt whatever Stanford model is, it sure would add more fuel to the housing market in Davis which I am sure what many Davis homeowners would appreciate. The truth is that UCD is ALREADY losing a lot of qualified faculty because of the housing problem which is exactly why there's WV. Another sad truth is that WV will certainly not last long before it's filled with willing residents and we go back to where we were before long.

  58. Anonymous

    >Neither do I understand the objections to DPD's point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner's dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    The fact that UCD faculty/staff are on the waiting list to live in Aggie Village and waiting to be on one for WV proves that not everyone is interested in "building equity". I am more than willing to trade the unrealized phantom of equity for quality, affordable housing close to campus within a community that values the lives of UCD constituents. I rent a place in Davis now but there is a huge difference in being able to do what I want with the house and not having to worry about rent increase or lease termination every year by owning a house in WV even if its resale value increase is restricted. I would feel more than enough sense of security for the future with a home in WV and a tenure appointment at UCD. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people eager to sign up to live in WV so I don't see what the problem is, especially when its coming from outside of the UCD community.

    >I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford's model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

    It's difficult to mimic what Stanford does with its huge endowment using tax money. But if UCD could adopt whatever Stanford model is, it sure would add more fuel to the housing market in Davis which I am sure what many Davis homeowners would appreciate. The truth is that UCD is ALREADY losing a lot of qualified faculty because of the housing problem which is exactly why there's WV. Another sad truth is that WV will certainly not last long before it's filled with willing residents and we go back to where we were before long.

  59. Anonymous

    >Neither do I understand the objections to DPD's point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner's dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    The fact that UCD faculty/staff are on the waiting list to live in Aggie Village and waiting to be on one for WV proves that not everyone is interested in "building equity". I am more than willing to trade the unrealized phantom of equity for quality, affordable housing close to campus within a community that values the lives of UCD constituents. I rent a place in Davis now but there is a huge difference in being able to do what I want with the house and not having to worry about rent increase or lease termination every year by owning a house in WV even if its resale value increase is restricted. I would feel more than enough sense of security for the future with a home in WV and a tenure appointment at UCD. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people eager to sign up to live in WV so I don't see what the problem is, especially when its coming from outside of the UCD community.

    >I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford's model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

    It's difficult to mimic what Stanford does with its huge endowment using tax money. But if UCD could adopt whatever Stanford model is, it sure would add more fuel to the housing market in Davis which I am sure what many Davis homeowners would appreciate. The truth is that UCD is ALREADY losing a lot of qualified faculty because of the housing problem which is exactly why there's WV. Another sad truth is that WV will certainly not last long before it's filled with willing residents and we go back to where we were before long.

  60. Anonymous

    >Neither do I understand the objections to DPD's point, that WV residents will not be able to build equity, which is not a good thing. Building equity is every homeowner's dream, and gives the homeowner a sense of security for the future. In essence, UCD is providing rental housing, not regular housing.

    The fact that UCD faculty/staff are on the waiting list to live in Aggie Village and waiting to be on one for WV proves that not everyone is interested in "building equity". I am more than willing to trade the unrealized phantom of equity for quality, affordable housing close to campus within a community that values the lives of UCD constituents. I rent a place in Davis now but there is a huge difference in being able to do what I want with the house and not having to worry about rent increase or lease termination every year by owning a house in WV even if its resale value increase is restricted. I would feel more than enough sense of security for the future with a home in WV and a tenure appointment at UCD. Don't worry, there will be plenty of people eager to sign up to live in WV so I don't see what the problem is, especially when its coming from outside of the UCD community.

    >I agree with DPD, I would like to see UCD investigate Stanford's model a bit more. We want to invite and KEEP qualified faculty and staff, and provide them the best housing opportunities possible.

    It's difficult to mimic what Stanford does with its huge endowment using tax money. But if UCD could adopt whatever Stanford model is, it sure would add more fuel to the housing market in Davis which I am sure what many Davis homeowners would appreciate. The truth is that UCD is ALREADY losing a lot of qualified faculty because of the housing problem which is exactly why there's WV. Another sad truth is that WV will certainly not last long before it's filled with willing residents and we go back to where we were before long.

  61. Ron

    Rich if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.

    I understand the issues about property and equity and recognize they are more fundamental to our system than voting rights. After all Life, libery and property go all the way back to Locke when we were just colonies. Still I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.

    Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to sufferage. I guess the battle cry here should be one student one vote. Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.

    So many people in Davis are so concerned about voting rights in Indiana, Ohio and Florida while they ignore the hypocracy of disenfranchised students living on campus. Oh and what about those who are afraid of voting machines or want to protect measure J. Who cares about these things when thousands of people who live on campus are not allowed to participate. Our elections are an unrepresentative fraud against those who live on campus and continuing to perpetrate this anti-student voting scheme shows us to be what we really are old, rich, mostly white, willing to hold on to our power and control by any means, anti-tax, oh my god we’re republicans!

  62. Ron

    Rich if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.

    I understand the issues about property and equity and recognize they are more fundamental to our system than voting rights. After all Life, libery and property go all the way back to Locke when we were just colonies. Still I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.

    Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to sufferage. I guess the battle cry here should be one student one vote. Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.

    So many people in Davis are so concerned about voting rights in Indiana, Ohio and Florida while they ignore the hypocracy of disenfranchised students living on campus. Oh and what about those who are afraid of voting machines or want to protect measure J. Who cares about these things when thousands of people who live on campus are not allowed to participate. Our elections are an unrepresentative fraud against those who live on campus and continuing to perpetrate this anti-student voting scheme shows us to be what we really are old, rich, mostly white, willing to hold on to our power and control by any means, anti-tax, oh my god we’re republicans!

  63. Ron

    Rich if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.

    I understand the issues about property and equity and recognize they are more fundamental to our system than voting rights. After all Life, libery and property go all the way back to Locke when we were just colonies. Still I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.

    Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to sufferage. I guess the battle cry here should be one student one vote. Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.

    So many people in Davis are so concerned about voting rights in Indiana, Ohio and Florida while they ignore the hypocracy of disenfranchised students living on campus. Oh and what about those who are afraid of voting machines or want to protect measure J. Who cares about these things when thousands of people who live on campus are not allowed to participate. Our elections are an unrepresentative fraud against those who live on campus and continuing to perpetrate this anti-student voting scheme shows us to be what we really are old, rich, mostly white, willing to hold on to our power and control by any means, anti-tax, oh my god we’re republicans!

  64. Ron

    Rich if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.

    I understand the issues about property and equity and recognize they are more fundamental to our system than voting rights. After all Life, libery and property go all the way back to Locke when we were just colonies. Still I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.

    Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to sufferage. I guess the battle cry here should be one student one vote. Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.

    So many people in Davis are so concerned about voting rights in Indiana, Ohio and Florida while they ignore the hypocracy of disenfranchised students living on campus. Oh and what about those who are afraid of voting machines or want to protect measure J. Who cares about these things when thousands of people who live on campus are not allowed to participate. Our elections are an unrepresentative fraud against those who live on campus and continuing to perpetrate this anti-student voting scheme shows us to be what we really are old, rich, mostly white, willing to hold on to our power and control by any means, anti-tax, oh my god we’re republicans!

  65. Rich Rifkin

    “Rich, if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.”

    Sounds like you would rather not let the WV residents decide. You want to impose annexation on them…. I believe in democracy. Let the WV residents vote on whether they prefer annexation.

    “I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.”

    They would not lose the right to vote if they chose to live outside the city limits of Davis. People in El Macero and Willowbank have the franchise, Ron. Rather, people who freely choose to live in those communities choose not to live and vote in Davis.

    “Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to suffrage.”

    You want people who choose to live outside of Davis to vote in Davis elections?

    “Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.”

    Maybe they are not as disillusioned as you presume?

  66. Rich Rifkin

    “Rich, if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.”

    Sounds like you would rather not let the WV residents decide. You want to impose annexation on them…. I believe in democracy. Let the WV residents vote on whether they prefer annexation.

    “I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.”

    They would not lose the right to vote if they chose to live outside the city limits of Davis. People in El Macero and Willowbank have the franchise, Ron. Rather, people who freely choose to live in those communities choose not to live and vote in Davis.

    “Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to suffrage.”

    You want people who choose to live outside of Davis to vote in Davis elections?

    “Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.”

    Maybe they are not as disillusioned as you presume?

  67. Rich Rifkin

    “Rich, if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.”

    Sounds like you would rather not let the WV residents decide. You want to impose annexation on them…. I believe in democracy. Let the WV residents vote on whether they prefer annexation.

    “I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.”

    They would not lose the right to vote if they chose to live outside the city limits of Davis. People in El Macero and Willowbank have the franchise, Ron. Rather, people who freely choose to live in those communities choose not to live and vote in Davis.

    “Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to suffrage.”

    You want people who choose to live outside of Davis to vote in Davis elections?

    “Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.”

    Maybe they are not as disillusioned as you presume?

  68. Rich Rifkin

    “Rich, if people move into WV before it is annexed a vote will then be required for annexation by the residents. If it is annexed before people move in it will not require that vote.”

    Sounds like you would rather not let the WV residents decide. You want to impose annexation on them…. I believe in democracy. Let the WV residents vote on whether they prefer annexation.

    “I find it fundamental that people should be able to vote in the local communities in which they live.”

    They would not lose the right to vote if they chose to live outside the city limits of Davis. People in El Macero and Willowbank have the franchise, Ron. Rather, people who freely choose to live in those communities choose not to live and vote in Davis.

    “Davis is shamefully out of touch with this sensible 20th century approach to suffrage.”

    You want people who choose to live outside of Davis to vote in Davis elections?

    “Is it no wonder that the three oldest candidates for city council won the last election when so many young voters are disillusioned and disenfranchised.”

    Maybe they are not as disillusioned as you presume?

  69. Rich Rifkin

    “People who live on campus have never been given that choice.”

    I would have no problem with letting the kids who live in the on-campus dorms taking a vote on whether they want the on-campus dorms to be annexed into the city.* If that is the preference of most of them and it would be cost-neutral to the city of Davis, then we should annex the dorms.

    * I was never a student at UC Davis. However, when I was an undergraduate (at UCSB) and lived in the dorms, local politics was the last thing on my mind and I don't think I was at all unusual in that. I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% would be informed about Davis politics. They are not just busy with bacchanalia and football, of course those being the primary pursuits of most Freshmen, but some of them are actually studying. If they have time to concern themselves with things like whether far West Davis needs a grocery store or should ultra-modern housing projects be permitted in the traditional #rd & B neighborhood, then they simply are not having a good enough time, yet.

  70. Rich Rifkin

    “People who live on campus have never been given that choice.”

    I would have no problem with letting the kids who live in the on-campus dorms taking a vote on whether they want the on-campus dorms to be annexed into the city.* If that is the preference of most of them and it would be cost-neutral to the city of Davis, then we should annex the dorms.

    * I was never a student at UC Davis. However, when I was an undergraduate (at UCSB) and lived in the dorms, local politics was the last thing on my mind and I don't think I was at all unusual in that. I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% would be informed about Davis politics. They are not just busy with bacchanalia and football, of course those being the primary pursuits of most Freshmen, but some of them are actually studying. If they have time to concern themselves with things like whether far West Davis needs a grocery store or should ultra-modern housing projects be permitted in the traditional #rd & B neighborhood, then they simply are not having a good enough time, yet.

  71. Rich Rifkin

    “People who live on campus have never been given that choice.”

    I would have no problem with letting the kids who live in the on-campus dorms taking a vote on whether they want the on-campus dorms to be annexed into the city.* If that is the preference of most of them and it would be cost-neutral to the city of Davis, then we should annex the dorms.

    * I was never a student at UC Davis. However, when I was an undergraduate (at UCSB) and lived in the dorms, local politics was the last thing on my mind and I don't think I was at all unusual in that. I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% would be informed about Davis politics. They are not just busy with bacchanalia and football, of course those being the primary pursuits of most Freshmen, but some of them are actually studying. If they have time to concern themselves with things like whether far West Davis needs a grocery store or should ultra-modern housing projects be permitted in the traditional #rd & B neighborhood, then they simply are not having a good enough time, yet.

  72. Rich Rifkin

    “People who live on campus have never been given that choice.”

    I would have no problem with letting the kids who live in the on-campus dorms taking a vote on whether they want the on-campus dorms to be annexed into the city.* If that is the preference of most of them and it would be cost-neutral to the city of Davis, then we should annex the dorms.

    * I was never a student at UC Davis. However, when I was an undergraduate (at UCSB) and lived in the dorms, local politics was the last thing on my mind and I don't think I was at all unusual in that. I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% would be informed about Davis politics. They are not just busy with bacchanalia and football, of course those being the primary pursuits of most Freshmen, but some of them are actually studying. If they have time to concern themselves with things like whether far West Davis needs a grocery store or should ultra-modern housing projects be permitted in the traditional #rd & B neighborhood, then they simply are not having a good enough time, yet.

  73. Anonymous

    What makes anyone think that the future WV residents even want to annex to a city whose residents sued against its very existence and rudely demand not to drive their cars on Russel Blvd?

    The residents of WV will most likely be younger, newer members of the campus who have been priced out of the exclusive Davis housing market that resists any growth of substantial quantity. Due to the financing model, they won’t share the value of Davis homeowners who are obsessed with equity growth. Do you really want them voting on major city issues like measure J and other future developments?

    It’s in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifestyles.

  74. Anonymous

    What makes anyone think that the future WV residents even want to annex to a city whose residents sued against its very existence and rudely demand not to drive their cars on Russel Blvd?

    The residents of WV will most likely be younger, newer members of the campus who have been priced out of the exclusive Davis housing market that resists any growth of substantial quantity. Due to the financing model, they won’t share the value of Davis homeowners who are obsessed with equity growth. Do you really want them voting on major city issues like measure J and other future developments?

    It’s in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifestyles.

  75. Anonymous

    What makes anyone think that the future WV residents even want to annex to a city whose residents sued against its very existence and rudely demand not to drive their cars on Russel Blvd?

    The residents of WV will most likely be younger, newer members of the campus who have been priced out of the exclusive Davis housing market that resists any growth of substantial quantity. Due to the financing model, they won’t share the value of Davis homeowners who are obsessed with equity growth. Do you really want them voting on major city issues like measure J and other future developments?

    It’s in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifestyles.

  76. Anonymous

    What makes anyone think that the future WV residents even want to annex to a city whose residents sued against its very existence and rudely demand not to drive their cars on Russel Blvd?

    The residents of WV will most likely be younger, newer members of the campus who have been priced out of the exclusive Davis housing market that resists any growth of substantial quantity. Due to the financing model, they won’t share the value of Davis homeowners who are obsessed with equity growth. Do you really want them voting on major city issues like measure J and other future developments?

    It’s in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifestyles.

  77. Rich Rifkin

    “I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms…”

    Make that… “I would not be surprised to know, if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% were informed about Davis politics.”

  78. Rich Rifkin

    “I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms…”

    Make that… “I would not be surprised to know, if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% were informed about Davis politics.”

  79. Rich Rifkin

    “I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms…”

    Make that… “I would not be surprised to know, if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% were informed about Davis politics.”

  80. Rich Rifkin

    “I would be that if all the kids living in the dorms…”

    Make that… “I would not be surprised to know, if all the kids living in the dorms this coming November were polled, fewer than 5% were informed about Davis politics.”

  81. Ron

    “Its in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifstyles.”

    Don’t you mean its in the interest of the enfranchised to keep those that have a different lifestyle disenfranchised.

    Rich, just because you didn’t participate when you were a student doesn’t mean others should not have the opportunity. I’m glad that you are at least willing to let the people decide for themselves. I guess you are more civilized than most in Davis.

  82. Ron

    “Its in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifstyles.”

    Don’t you mean its in the interest of the enfranchised to keep those that have a different lifestyle disenfranchised.

    Rich, just because you didn’t participate when you were a student doesn’t mean others should not have the opportunity. I’m glad that you are at least willing to let the people decide for themselves. I guess you are more civilized than most in Davis.

  83. Ron

    “Its in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifstyles.”

    Don’t you mean its in the interest of the enfranchised to keep those that have a different lifestyle disenfranchised.

    Rich, just because you didn’t participate when you were a student doesn’t mean others should not have the opportunity. I’m glad that you are at least willing to let the people decide for themselves. I guess you are more civilized than most in Davis.

  84. Ron

    “Its in the best interest of both parties to keep a distance and enjoy their distinct lifstyles.”

    Don’t you mean its in the interest of the enfranchised to keep those that have a different lifestyle disenfranchised.

    Rich, just because you didn’t participate when you were a student doesn’t mean others should not have the opportunity. I’m glad that you are at least willing to let the people decide for themselves. I guess you are more civilized than most in Davis.

  85. Disenfranchised

    Comments here touching on “students” seem to assume “undergraduate.” There are three thriving communities of graduate students on campus: Solano Park, Orchard Park, and Russell Park.

    Many of these graduate students have children who attend Davis schools. With program lengths of sometimes up to seven years, many of these students (like myself) have deep ties to the community: I volunteer prolifically at my daughter’s elementary school, have been a Girl Scout troop leader, and work with the local community theatre. I–and many others in my same situation–would very much like to vote and have a voice in a community to which I may belong for upwards of 8 years of my life.

    Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.

    Even if WV is annexed, apparently there are no plans to follow suit with these already-established graduate student housing complexes–let alone those of undergraduates.

    We are becoming a more mobile society; the average American moves once every 7 years. It’s insulting that all on-campus students–especially those who are very involved in our community like a lot of married graduate students and postdoctoral fellows, have no voice in our community because of what will basically boil down to dollars. WV will be more “profitable” than the Parks, and that’s basically what it will boil down to.

    I’ve sent letters to several council members (including Lamar), and have never received a reply.

    That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.

  86. Disenfranchised

    Comments here touching on “students” seem to assume “undergraduate.” There are three thriving communities of graduate students on campus: Solano Park, Orchard Park, and Russell Park.

    Many of these graduate students have children who attend Davis schools. With program lengths of sometimes up to seven years, many of these students (like myself) have deep ties to the community: I volunteer prolifically at my daughter’s elementary school, have been a Girl Scout troop leader, and work with the local community theatre. I–and many others in my same situation–would very much like to vote and have a voice in a community to which I may belong for upwards of 8 years of my life.

    Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.

    Even if WV is annexed, apparently there are no plans to follow suit with these already-established graduate student housing complexes–let alone those of undergraduates.

    We are becoming a more mobile society; the average American moves once every 7 years. It’s insulting that all on-campus students–especially those who are very involved in our community like a lot of married graduate students and postdoctoral fellows, have no voice in our community because of what will basically boil down to dollars. WV will be more “profitable” than the Parks, and that’s basically what it will boil down to.

    I’ve sent letters to several council members (including Lamar), and have never received a reply.

    That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.

  87. Disenfranchised

    Comments here touching on “students” seem to assume “undergraduate.” There are three thriving communities of graduate students on campus: Solano Park, Orchard Park, and Russell Park.

    Many of these graduate students have children who attend Davis schools. With program lengths of sometimes up to seven years, many of these students (like myself) have deep ties to the community: I volunteer prolifically at my daughter’s elementary school, have been a Girl Scout troop leader, and work with the local community theatre. I–and many others in my same situation–would very much like to vote and have a voice in a community to which I may belong for upwards of 8 years of my life.

    Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.

    Even if WV is annexed, apparently there are no plans to follow suit with these already-established graduate student housing complexes–let alone those of undergraduates.

    We are becoming a more mobile society; the average American moves once every 7 years. It’s insulting that all on-campus students–especially those who are very involved in our community like a lot of married graduate students and postdoctoral fellows, have no voice in our community because of what will basically boil down to dollars. WV will be more “profitable” than the Parks, and that’s basically what it will boil down to.

    I’ve sent letters to several council members (including Lamar), and have never received a reply.

    That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.

  88. Disenfranchised

    Comments here touching on “students” seem to assume “undergraduate.” There are three thriving communities of graduate students on campus: Solano Park, Orchard Park, and Russell Park.

    Many of these graduate students have children who attend Davis schools. With program lengths of sometimes up to seven years, many of these students (like myself) have deep ties to the community: I volunteer prolifically at my daughter’s elementary school, have been a Girl Scout troop leader, and work with the local community theatre. I–and many others in my same situation–would very much like to vote and have a voice in a community to which I may belong for upwards of 8 years of my life.

    Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.

    Even if WV is annexed, apparently there are no plans to follow suit with these already-established graduate student housing complexes–let alone those of undergraduates.

    We are becoming a more mobile society; the average American moves once every 7 years. It’s insulting that all on-campus students–especially those who are very involved in our community like a lot of married graduate students and postdoctoral fellows, have no voice in our community because of what will basically boil down to dollars. WV will be more “profitable” than the Parks, and that’s basically what it will boil down to.

    I’ve sent letters to several council members (including Lamar), and have never received a reply.

    That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.

  89. Anonymous

    “Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.”

    Nobody forced you to live on campus. In fact many grad students and postdocs live in the city. You weighed the cost and benefits of living on and off campus and knew full well that you couldn’t vote nor enjoy discount on city services before you moved in. If you want to vote and save a few bucks on city recreation fees, just move into an apartment in the city.

  90. Anonymous

    “Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.”

    Nobody forced you to live on campus. In fact many grad students and postdocs live in the city. You weighed the cost and benefits of living on and off campus and knew full well that you couldn’t vote nor enjoy discount on city services before you moved in. If you want to vote and save a few bucks on city recreation fees, just move into an apartment in the city.

  91. Anonymous

    “Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.”

    Nobody forced you to live on campus. In fact many grad students and postdocs live in the city. You weighed the cost and benefits of living on and off campus and knew full well that you couldn’t vote nor enjoy discount on city services before you moved in. If you want to vote and save a few bucks on city recreation fees, just move into an apartment in the city.

  92. Anonymous

    “Yet, I cannot vote, and have to pay premium prices when enrolling my child in parks and recreation programs.”

    Nobody forced you to live on campus. In fact many grad students and postdocs live in the city. You weighed the cost and benefits of living on and off campus and knew full well that you couldn’t vote nor enjoy discount on city services before you moved in. If you want to vote and save a few bucks on city recreation fees, just move into an apartment in the city.

  93. Disenfranchised

    Black Bart and Anon:

    Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.

    Because that certainly was NOT the case. There was nothing in any of the information given to me from UC Davis, Graduate Studies, etc., about not being a “resident” of the city of Davis.

    This was not on the student housing FAQ or in the student housing guide when I came to Davis in 2002. It was not in the Graduate Student Handbook. It was in no information I was given by my department.

    I was given a city of Davis address and city of Davis zip code. I had every reason to believe I was a city of Davis resident. Since nothing told me otherwise, that was the expectation. Why would it be anything else?

    I didn’t find out until trying to vote that our housing complex was not “city of Davis.”

    I did some (admittedly) brief research again last night, and there is nothing on UC Davis student housing, etc. that makes it clear that those living on campus are not part of the city of Davis. Why would you even know to ASK this information of someone before moving here?

    So don’t assume anyone “knows full well” what the “rules” are, when the university is apparently not making it transparent that this is the case. Because it darned sure wasn’t when I moved here.

    “Work to change it?” Does not writing several letters to City council members count? And I’m not the only resident in this situation who has done so.

    This is yet another example of the “hostility” that the “young faculty member” noted in an earlier comment on this thread.

  94. Disenfranchised

    Black Bart and Anon:

    Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.

    Because that certainly was NOT the case. There was nothing in any of the information given to me from UC Davis, Graduate Studies, etc., about not being a “resident” of the city of Davis.

    This was not on the student housing FAQ or in the student housing guide when I came to Davis in 2002. It was not in the Graduate Student Handbook. It was in no information I was given by my department.

    I was given a city of Davis address and city of Davis zip code. I had every reason to believe I was a city of Davis resident. Since nothing told me otherwise, that was the expectation. Why would it be anything else?

    I didn’t find out until trying to vote that our housing complex was not “city of Davis.”

    I did some (admittedly) brief research again last night, and there is nothing on UC Davis student housing, etc. that makes it clear that those living on campus are not part of the city of Davis. Why would you even know to ASK this information of someone before moving here?

    So don’t assume anyone “knows full well” what the “rules” are, when the university is apparently not making it transparent that this is the case. Because it darned sure wasn’t when I moved here.

    “Work to change it?” Does not writing several letters to City council members count? And I’m not the only resident in this situation who has done so.

    This is yet another example of the “hostility” that the “young faculty member” noted in an earlier comment on this thread.

  95. Disenfranchised

    Black Bart and Anon:

    Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.

    Because that certainly was NOT the case. There was nothing in any of the information given to me from UC Davis, Graduate Studies, etc., about not being a “resident” of the city of Davis.

    This was not on the student housing FAQ or in the student housing guide when I came to Davis in 2002. It was not in the Graduate Student Handbook. It was in no information I was given by my department.

    I was given a city of Davis address and city of Davis zip code. I had every reason to believe I was a city of Davis resident. Since nothing told me otherwise, that was the expectation. Why would it be anything else?

    I didn’t find out until trying to vote that our housing complex was not “city of Davis.”

    I did some (admittedly) brief research again last night, and there is nothing on UC Davis student housing, etc. that makes it clear that those living on campus are not part of the city of Davis. Why would you even know to ASK this information of someone before moving here?

    So don’t assume anyone “knows full well” what the “rules” are, when the university is apparently not making it transparent that this is the case. Because it darned sure wasn’t when I moved here.

    “Work to change it?” Does not writing several letters to City council members count? And I’m not the only resident in this situation who has done so.

    This is yet another example of the “hostility” that the “young faculty member” noted in an earlier comment on this thread.

  96. Disenfranchised

    Black Bart and Anon:

    Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.

    Because that certainly was NOT the case. There was nothing in any of the information given to me from UC Davis, Graduate Studies, etc., about not being a “resident” of the city of Davis.

    This was not on the student housing FAQ or in the student housing guide when I came to Davis in 2002. It was not in the Graduate Student Handbook. It was in no information I was given by my department.

    I was given a city of Davis address and city of Davis zip code. I had every reason to believe I was a city of Davis resident. Since nothing told me otherwise, that was the expectation. Why would it be anything else?

    I didn’t find out until trying to vote that our housing complex was not “city of Davis.”

    I did some (admittedly) brief research again last night, and there is nothing on UC Davis student housing, etc. that makes it clear that those living on campus are not part of the city of Davis. Why would you even know to ASK this information of someone before moving here?

    So don’t assume anyone “knows full well” what the “rules” are, when the university is apparently not making it transparent that this is the case. Because it darned sure wasn’t when I moved here.

    “Work to change it?” Does not writing several letters to City council members count? And I’m not the only resident in this situation who has done so.

    This is yet another example of the “hostility” that the “young faculty member” noted in an earlier comment on this thread.

  97. Doug Paul Davis

    I think Disenfranchised is correct, most students are neither informed nor have any idea that they cannot vote in city elections. Granted it is fairly common practice in California, the same applied at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, the students couldn’t vote in city elections, probably cost a student a council seat in 1992.

  98. Doug Paul Davis

    I think Disenfranchised is correct, most students are neither informed nor have any idea that they cannot vote in city elections. Granted it is fairly common practice in California, the same applied at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, the students couldn’t vote in city elections, probably cost a student a council seat in 1992.

  99. Doug Paul Davis

    I think Disenfranchised is correct, most students are neither informed nor have any idea that they cannot vote in city elections. Granted it is fairly common practice in California, the same applied at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, the students couldn’t vote in city elections, probably cost a student a council seat in 1992.

  100. Doug Paul Davis

    I think Disenfranchised is correct, most students are neither informed nor have any idea that they cannot vote in city elections. Granted it is fairly common practice in California, the same applied at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, the students couldn’t vote in city elections, probably cost a student a council seat in 1992.

  101. Rich Rifkin

    “Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.”

    I don’t believe there is any on-campus student housing* at a public university in California which has been annexed to its neighboring city. As such, if you decide to live on campus, as a graduate student, you would have to be naive (or from some very distant place) to not know that would be the situation on campus…. Or did you not even bother to notice that those apartments were on campus?

    My suggestion for annexation of those on-campus apartments for grad students would be the same as for the dorms: first take a vote among the residents in Solano Park, Orchard Park and Russell Park to see if they want their domiciles to be annexed. Determine what that would mean in terms of costs to the city of Davis, and see if a deal can be worked out to satisfy both parties.

    * When I lived in graduate student housing my first year at UCSD, it was off-campus in University City (which is part of the City of San Diego).

  102. Rich Rifkin

    “Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.”

    I don’t believe there is any on-campus student housing* at a public university in California which has been annexed to its neighboring city. As such, if you decide to live on campus, as a graduate student, you would have to be naive (or from some very distant place) to not know that would be the situation on campus…. Or did you not even bother to notice that those apartments were on campus?

    My suggestion for annexation of those on-campus apartments for grad students would be the same as for the dorms: first take a vote among the residents in Solano Park, Orchard Park and Russell Park to see if they want their domiciles to be annexed. Determine what that would mean in terms of costs to the city of Davis, and see if a deal can be worked out to satisfy both parties.

    * When I lived in graduate student housing my first year at UCSD, it was off-campus in University City (which is part of the City of San Diego).

  103. Rich Rifkin

    “Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.”

    I don’t believe there is any on-campus student housing* at a public university in California which has been annexed to its neighboring city. As such, if you decide to live on campus, as a graduate student, you would have to be naive (or from some very distant place) to not know that would be the situation on campus…. Or did you not even bother to notice that those apartments were on campus?

    My suggestion for annexation of those on-campus apartments for grad students would be the same as for the dorms: first take a vote among the residents in Solano Park, Orchard Park and Russell Park to see if they want their domiciles to be annexed. Determine what that would mean in terms of costs to the city of Davis, and see if a deal can be worked out to satisfy both parties.

    * When I lived in graduate student housing my first year at UCSD, it was off-campus in University City (which is part of the City of San Diego).

  104. Rich Rifkin

    “Please don’t tell me what I–or any other UC Davis student–knew “full well” before moving in to student housing.”

    I don’t believe there is any on-campus student housing* at a public university in California which has been annexed to its neighboring city. As such, if you decide to live on campus, as a graduate student, you would have to be naive (or from some very distant place) to not know that would be the situation on campus…. Or did you not even bother to notice that those apartments were on campus?

    My suggestion for annexation of those on-campus apartments for grad students would be the same as for the dorms: first take a vote among the residents in Solano Park, Orchard Park and Russell Park to see if they want their domiciles to be annexed. Determine what that would mean in terms of costs to the city of Davis, and see if a deal can be worked out to satisfy both parties.

    * When I lived in graduate student housing my first year at UCSD, it was off-campus in University City (which is part of the City of San Diego).

  105. Anonymous

    I highly doubt residents of the grad student/postdoc apartment complexes have much interest in annexation. 1) Much of the students/postdocs are not US citizens so they can’t vote. Those who are so fixated on voting for City elections would have moved out after their first leases expire (why don’t you move out, Disenfranchized?). 2) There is no real incentive for the residents for annexation. Instead, they would have to cope with the anti-student sentiment of some City residents. Actually, not being a City resident could be a motivation for few residents to live in the complexes.

    Going back to WV, significant fraction of the faculty and staff are in fact non-citizens who can’t vote anyway. Moreover, if you consider the voter turnouts in Davis local elections (except the ones that affect their property values…) I highly doubt that voting on Davis issues is of main concern to most residents in Davis or WV.

    It seems to me that the only dealmaker is purely financial issues. Residents may lean toward annexation if the financial incentive is great enough to forget the animosity generated toward WV by some City residents. Yet it will be hard to overcome the feeling of physical isolation from Davis after the City pushed to cut off the through traffic to Russel in such a blatant manner. The City would surely not accept annexation unless it’s fiscally neutral at the very least.

  106. Anonymous

    I highly doubt residents of the grad student/postdoc apartment complexes have much interest in annexation. 1) Much of the students/postdocs are not US citizens so they can’t vote. Those who are so fixated on voting for City elections would have moved out after their first leases expire (why don’t you move out, Disenfranchized?). 2) There is no real incentive for the residents for annexation. Instead, they would have to cope with the anti-student sentiment of some City residents. Actually, not being a City resident could be a motivation for few residents to live in the complexes.

    Going back to WV, significant fraction of the faculty and staff are in fact non-citizens who can’t vote anyway. Moreover, if you consider the voter turnouts in Davis local elections (except the ones that affect their property values…) I highly doubt that voting on Davis issues is of main concern to most residents in Davis or WV.

    It seems to me that the only dealmaker is purely financial issues. Residents may lean toward annexation if the financial incentive is great enough to forget the animosity generated toward WV by some City residents. Yet it will be hard to overcome the feeling of physical isolation from Davis after the City pushed to cut off the through traffic to Russel in such a blatant manner. The City would surely not accept annexation unless it’s fiscally neutral at the very least.

  107. Anonymous

    I highly doubt residents of the grad student/postdoc apartment complexes have much interest in annexation. 1) Much of the students/postdocs are not US citizens so they can’t vote. Those who are so fixated on voting for City elections would have moved out after their first leases expire (why don’t you move out, Disenfranchized?). 2) There is no real incentive for the residents for annexation. Instead, they would have to cope with the anti-student sentiment of some City residents. Actually, not being a City resident could be a motivation for few residents to live in the complexes.

    Going back to WV, significant fraction of the faculty and staff are in fact non-citizens who can’t vote anyway. Moreover, if you consider the voter turnouts in Davis local elections (except the ones that affect their property values…) I highly doubt that voting on Davis issues is of main concern to most residents in Davis or WV.

    It seems to me that the only dealmaker is purely financial issues. Residents may lean toward annexation if the financial incentive is great enough to forget the animosity generated toward WV by some City residents. Yet it will be hard to overcome the feeling of physical isolation from Davis after the City pushed to cut off the through traffic to Russel in such a blatant manner. The City would surely not accept annexation unless it’s fiscally neutral at the very least.

  108. Anonymous

    I highly doubt residents of the grad student/postdoc apartment complexes have much interest in annexation. 1) Much of the students/postdocs are not US citizens so they can’t vote. Those who are so fixated on voting for City elections would have moved out after their first leases expire (why don’t you move out, Disenfranchized?). 2) There is no real incentive for the residents for annexation. Instead, they would have to cope with the anti-student sentiment of some City residents. Actually, not being a City resident could be a motivation for few residents to live in the complexes.

    Going back to WV, significant fraction of the faculty and staff are in fact non-citizens who can’t vote anyway. Moreover, if you consider the voter turnouts in Davis local elections (except the ones that affect their property values…) I highly doubt that voting on Davis issues is of main concern to most residents in Davis or WV.

    It seems to me that the only dealmaker is purely financial issues. Residents may lean toward annexation if the financial incentive is great enough to forget the animosity generated toward WV by some City residents. Yet it will be hard to overcome the feeling of physical isolation from Davis after the City pushed to cut off the through traffic to Russel in such a blatant manner. The City would surely not accept annexation unless it’s fiscally neutral at the very least.

  109. Anonymous

    Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you.
    Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants. Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so. You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.

  110. Anonymous

    Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you.
    Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants. Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so. You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.

  111. Anonymous

    Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you.
    Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants. Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so. You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.

  112. Anonymous

    Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you.
    Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants. Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so. You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.

  113. Anon

    “That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.”

    Don’t assume the City Council represents the views of Davisites. They were only chosen as the evil of lessers! I suspect a lot of citizens would be more than happy to have grad students participate in local gov’t. Heck, too few Davisites participate in local governance!

  114. Anon

    “That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.”

    Don’t assume the City Council represents the views of Davisites. They were only chosen as the evil of lessers! I suspect a lot of citizens would be more than happy to have grad students participate in local gov’t. Heck, too few Davisites participate in local governance!

  115. Anon

    “That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.”

    Don’t assume the City Council represents the views of Davisites. They were only chosen as the evil of lessers! I suspect a lot of citizens would be more than happy to have grad students participate in local gov’t. Heck, too few Davisites participate in local governance!

  116. Anon

    “That, alone, pretty much tells me where the on-campus graduate student community stands in the eyes of the wider Davis community.”

    Don’t assume the City Council represents the views of Davisites. They were only chosen as the evil of lessers! I suspect a lot of citizens would be more than happy to have grad students participate in local gov’t. Heck, too few Davisites participate in local governance!

  117. PRED Old Timer

    “The City of Davis wants you as consumers but not as citizens”.

    This is pretty much the Davis party line where WV is concerned. It’s been like this as long as I’ve lived here.

    It would get upset if it weren’t so damn laughable. I’ve never seen such self-titled progressives behave as badly as the Davis locals. They are plenty liberal as long as it benefits their monetary growth. The minute their money is on the line, they revert to their true republican selves.

  118. PRED Old Timer

    “The City of Davis wants you as consumers but not as citizens”.

    This is pretty much the Davis party line where WV is concerned. It’s been like this as long as I’ve lived here.

    It would get upset if it weren’t so damn laughable. I’ve never seen such self-titled progressives behave as badly as the Davis locals. They are plenty liberal as long as it benefits their monetary growth. The minute their money is on the line, they revert to their true republican selves.

  119. PRED Old Timer

    “The City of Davis wants you as consumers but not as citizens”.

    This is pretty much the Davis party line where WV is concerned. It’s been like this as long as I’ve lived here.

    It would get upset if it weren’t so damn laughable. I’ve never seen such self-titled progressives behave as badly as the Davis locals. They are plenty liberal as long as it benefits their monetary growth. The minute their money is on the line, they revert to their true republican selves.

  120. PRED Old Timer

    “The City of Davis wants you as consumers but not as citizens”.

    This is pretty much the Davis party line where WV is concerned. It’s been like this as long as I’ve lived here.

    It would get upset if it weren’t so damn laughable. I’ve never seen such self-titled progressives behave as badly as the Davis locals. They are plenty liberal as long as it benefits their monetary growth. The minute their money is on the line, they revert to their true republican selves.

  121. Anonymous

    “Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you. Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants.”

    Immigrants can’t vote wherever they are and those who are not have at least a choice to live in City if it means so much for them to vote on City issues. I am just merely pointing out the fact that there is a significantly higher non-citizen population in grad student/postdoc/faculty/staff community in the complexes and the future WV.

    ” Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so.”

    There’s nothing in my post about “participating in civic life” unless you mean “voting for city issues”. If so, it seems consistent with the dismal voter turnouts in the recent local elections. I, as someone comtemplating living in WV, don’t want have anything to do with a City that physically cuts me off from driving through to their city from WV let alone pay tax to them.

    “You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.”

    At least I am not ashamed to speak the truth. The hostility of the residents to WV development, the conservative arguments in the City Council about annexation, and the Covell Village and Target debacles are all motivated, at least in large part, by their effects on Davis property values. Not that I am saying it’s wrong, but you got to admit that money is all it comes down to at the end of the day in this City.

  122. Anonymous

    “Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you. Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants.”

    Immigrants can’t vote wherever they are and those who are not have at least a choice to live in City if it means so much for them to vote on City issues. I am just merely pointing out the fact that there is a significantly higher non-citizen population in grad student/postdoc/faculty/staff community in the complexes and the future WV.

    ” Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so.”

    There’s nothing in my post about “participating in civic life” unless you mean “voting for city issues”. If so, it seems consistent with the dismal voter turnouts in the recent local elections. I, as someone comtemplating living in WV, don’t want have anything to do with a City that physically cuts me off from driving through to their city from WV let alone pay tax to them.

    “You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.”

    At least I am not ashamed to speak the truth. The hostility of the residents to WV development, the conservative arguments in the City Council about annexation, and the Covell Village and Target debacles are all motivated, at least in large part, by their effects on Davis property values. Not that I am saying it’s wrong, but you got to admit that money is all it comes down to at the end of the day in this City.

  123. Anonymous

    “Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you. Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants.”

    Immigrants can’t vote wherever they are and those who are not have at least a choice to live in City if it means so much for them to vote on City issues. I am just merely pointing out the fact that there is a significantly higher non-citizen population in grad student/postdoc/faculty/staff community in the complexes and the future WV.

    ” Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so.”

    There’s nothing in my post about “participating in civic life” unless you mean “voting for city issues”. If so, it seems consistent with the dismal voter turnouts in the recent local elections. I, as someone comtemplating living in WV, don’t want have anything to do with a City that physically cuts me off from driving through to their city from WV let alone pay tax to them.

    “You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.”

    At least I am not ashamed to speak the truth. The hostility of the residents to WV development, the conservative arguments in the City Council about annexation, and the Covell Village and Target debacles are all motivated, at least in large part, by their effects on Davis property values. Not that I am saying it’s wrong, but you got to admit that money is all it comes down to at the end of the day in this City.

  124. Anonymous

    “Anon, Let me interpret your arguments for you. Yes we shouldn’t let them vote because some of them are immigrants.”

    Immigrants can’t vote wherever they are and those who are not have at least a choice to live in City if it means so much for them to vote on City issues. I am just merely pointing out the fact that there is a significantly higher non-citizen population in grad student/postdoc/faculty/staff community in the complexes and the future WV.

    ” Also we can easily ascertain that they would not be interested in participating civic life of the city even if we invited them to do so.”

    There’s nothing in my post about “participating in civic life” unless you mean “voting for city issues”. If so, it seems consistent with the dismal voter turnouts in the recent local elections. I, as someone comtemplating living in WV, don’t want have anything to do with a City that physically cuts me off from driving through to their city from WV let alone pay tax to them.

    “You are correct in your projection that the only things that matter to you are things financial. No representation without taxation.”

    At least I am not ashamed to speak the truth. The hostility of the residents to WV development, the conservative arguments in the City Council about annexation, and the Covell Village and Target debacles are all motivated, at least in large part, by their effects on Davis property values. Not that I am saying it’s wrong, but you got to admit that money is all it comes down to at the end of the day in this City.

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