Monday Morning Thoughts: The World Has Changed

Donald Trump protest

I want to start off with this comment: the world has changed.  Right now, I don’t feel that battling land use issues in Davis is my calling.  That doesn’t mean the Vanguard won’t still cover important issues that are facing our community, but the world has changed.

A commenter yesterday made the comment, “Obama was his guy.  In fact Obama has been for the most part a taboo subject on the V.  Interesting that David has probably had more presidential politics articles in the last week than he’s had in the last 8 years.”

While I believe that Obama in the last two years of his administration did a lot of good things, for most of his time, I was disappointed in his administration.  But, at the same time, I never felt that the very things I have fought for in my adult life were under fire then as they are now.

Someone else said, “So much for the ban on national politics.”  There was never a ban on national politics, but the world has changed.  Yesterday’s article was written about three groups that live here locally and the impact of the new president on them. We don’t live in a bubble, unfortunately.

I did not go to the protest or vigil on Saturday night.  I will explain why shortly, but someone recorded Mayor Robb Davis’ words and they bear repeating here: “(Grandson) Jaime came home after the election and said to my daughter, mommy, when does Mr. Trump take office?  He’s in second grade.

“She said why do you want to know?  He said, I want to know when papa has to go back to Mexico.  Jaime’s afraid.  He has fear.  Jaime’s fear is justified.

“Are the fears of our Muslims brothers and sisters who may not even feel comfortable to come into this space tonight – are they justified?

“Are the fears of our LGBTQ brothers and sisters – are they justified?  Are the fears of the immigrants of this nation, some of whom are undocumented, some of whom were born and raised here – are they justified?  Are their fears justified?

“Are the fears of those of us who fear global climate change and the projection of our planet, are they justified?”  he asked.  “I don’t say lightly, that yes, those fears are justified.”  He said, “We cannot succumb to those fears, but make no mistake words have consequences.  And words were spoken, not by accident, not with the slip of a tongue, but words were spoken during this campaign with meaning, with intent, and those words have consequences and the consequence for us today is that there is legitimate fear within our community – we have to acknowledge that.”

I think Robb Davis lays out very eloquently why the fears that people have are legitimate.

People have said that Mr. Trump deserves a chance – he has a chance.  He is the president-elect.  He will take office.  That doesn’t mean we sit back and say nothing.  That doesn’t mean that we let down our guard and hope that things will work out all right.

In fact, to me it means just the opposite – we push back and make it as hard as possible to enact the worst of his campaign rhetoric.  We make enacting things politically painful and difficult, in hopes that he will take the path of least resistance.

I am mindful of a lesson by one of my teachers on the holocaust, that Hitler when he encountered resistance would often back down.  But too often, the opposition crumbled in his face.  That is why we have the famous statement from Pastor Martin Niemöller on the cowardice of German intellectuals in the face of Nazi oppression.

He said, “First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Socialist.”  He ended by saying, “Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

That is not just a lesson about Nazi Germany, it is a lesson about bearing witness.  The term white privilege is often used as a pejorative but it doesn’t have to be.  A few weeks ago when I was meeting with a group of Latinos in West Sacramento, one of them told me that I need to speak out as a white person, because no one was going to listen to them.  White privilege means that those of us who can speak out without fear of retribution, must speak out.

I respect Mayor Davis and the people who organized the event, but I decided early on I was not going to go to vigils, I was not going to attend protests.  I am not even going to cover them for the most part.  I understand a lot of people are in a process of mourning, or grieving a loss.  But I don’t want to feel better about what has happened.  There will be no acceptance here.

This is about pushing back and making sure that the rhetoric of the campaign is just that – empty rhetoric without words.  That is not going to happen by giving President Trump a chance – that is only going to happen because he knows that if you are going to go after one group of people, you are going after all of us.

To me the biggest news yesterday was twofold.  First, he named Stephen Bannon as a chief strategist.  That’s pretty telling.

Second, he said that his plan was to deport the two to three million undocumented immigrants who have criminal records.  To some, even on the left, that has been met with a “that doesn’t sound that bad.”

The problem is – and maybe he just doesn’t know – that is not so easy.  The way the system works is that when you commit an offense, regardless of whether you are an American citizen or an undocumented immigrant or even a legal immigrant – you face “justice” in our country.  After all, do we really want to let a convicted murder loose in Mexico?

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), in the Department of Homeland Security, then can issue a hold on undocumented inmates which keeps them in custody after they have served their sentence and then they can initiate deportation proceedings.  Sanctuary cities like New York, LA, San Francisco and others will not hold undocumented inmates in jail at the request of ICE unless the detainer request is accompanied by a judge’s order.

So when Trump starts talking about two to three million people who are walking around with criminal records, we have to start by trying to figure out just who those people are.  The most serious offenders are not going to be released – so are these, that he talks about, people with minor infractions or drug possession offenses?  Who are they?

Second, how would this work?  It is one thing to deport someone after they are arrested and are in the system, but to deport right now they would have to identify and locate the people, and then initiate proceedings and deport them.

I don’t see that we have the resources or manpower to do that.  I think this would be much more intrusive than anyone is suggesting.

I don’t see any way this could be accomplished on a large scale without huge roundups and disruption to the country.  Trump has not thought through the mechanics of this, and that is why people have fear.

Eight years ago Obama probably foolishly stated that “elections have consequences,” now we’re going to learn that words do too.

—David M. Greenwald reporting

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David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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  1. Tia Will

    I want to start off with this comment: the world has changed.”

    And this is how I felt also. But then my daughter gave what I think  is a  more realistic assessment. She said ” The country has always been this way. Now it is just out in the open again where we can see it and fight it.” I think she is right. I think that prior to the assent of our president elect, these views of the white supremacists, religious intolerants, misogynists …… held an aura of plausible deniability. But that does not mean that they were not there. I heard many in interviews voice the opinion that “he is just saying what I have been thinking”. He himself said “I am your voice”. He was clearly targeting the audience that harbors these views since he clearly was not speaking to me or anyone who does not choose to claim superiority to others. One poster here has repeatedly said that racial discrimination n the country today is “de minims”. Well I guess we can all clearly see now that he was incorrect since a clearly racist message has been propounded by our president elect.  And no, I do not see Ben Carson as proof that this is not true.

    In fact, to me it means just the opposite – we push back and make it as hard as possible to enact the worst of his campaign rhetoric.  We make enacting things political painful and difficult in hopes that he will take the path of least resistance.”

    I see two areas for action. 1. I agree that we must push back as hard as possible when the worst of the agenda is being advanced. 2. But the president elect has demonstrated that the most powerful motivator for him is attention and praise. Therefore I see a window of opportunity in openly praising and supporting him when ever he makes a positive move such as supporting the possibility of retaining the provisions of the ACA preventing exclusions for pre-existing conditions and allowing parents to keep their children on their health plans until age 26.  As much as I despise the rhetoric and ideas of our president elect, I would never stoop to the tactic of hoping to see him fail simply because of how he has chosen to live his life ( both personal and public) is the antithesis of all I see as admirable.

    I do not fear for myself , except emotionally. But then I am a woman of privilege. I am white and have of course had this advantage my entire life. I am relatively wealthy and successful, although of course ,not in the sense that our president elect would recognize. But I fear greatly for our women, our minorities, those not of the Christian faith, and our economically disadvantaged.

    So for myself, my plan is to support vigorously any step in what I see as the right direction, and push back as hard as possible against what I see as harmful.

    1. David Greenwald

      Good points, but when I say the world has changed, what I mean is that we (for what ever we means, as it is not all of us but not me alone) have gone from a president that has perhaps too meekly defended our values at times to one that will attack them whenever he can.

      1. South of Davis

        David wrote:

        >We have gone from a president that has perhaps too meekly defended

        > our values at times to one that will attack them whenever he can.

        Do you really think that bombing more countries than GW Bush and deporting more people than GW Bush is just “meekly” defending your values?

        The main reason I voted for Obama is that I was convinced that Romney (as a big neocon) would get us in to more wars and never close Gitmo.

        Just like I told my conservative friends not to worry after Obama got elected I’m telling my liberal friends not to worry now that Trump is elected.

        P.S. It is funny that Tia is making a big deal and calling Trump a liar (since she is positive he “must” know David Duke) but I don’t recall Tia or David calling the president a liar who said this (on his second day in office almost 8 years ago):

        “Guantanamo will be closed no later than one year from now”

        1. Tia Will


          Snag?  Much of the electorate look at that as a positive.”

          And I wonder if they would feel similarly about a lawyer with no legal experience, or a pilot who has never flown a plane, or a surgeon who has never seen the inside of an operating room.  Wow! Which one of you wants to sign up for any of those experiences ?

        2. Tia Will

          South of Davis

          “Guantanamo will be closed no later than one year from now”” 

          This was an aspirational statement and a goal. You can call it a “lie” if you like. But I see a qualitative difference about “lying” about the future ( which of course no one can predict) and lying about what you yourself have done in the past.  I forgot one other of my examples of Trump “lies” not misstatements. After having said that he believed the Japan should have nuclear weapons, he claimed that he never said that. Again, don’t take my word, Google it.

          And about David Duke, you are correct. I cannot prove that he does know who he is. But then I would have to severely question his range of knowledge for someone seeking the highest position in our country.

        3. Barack Palin

          And I wonder if they would feel similarly about a lawyer with no legal experience, or a pilot who has never flown a plane, or a surgeon who has never seen the inside of an operating room. Wow! Which one of you wants to sign up for any of those experiences? 

          Tia Will, does your hospital CEO know how to do a C section?  Probably not, that’s why he hired you.  Does the CEO of an airline know how to fly an airplane?  Probably not, that’s why he hires pilots.  Do you see how that works?

    2. South of Davis

      Tia wrote:

      > a clearly racist message has been propounded by our president elect.  

      What is the “clear” racist message that has been propounded by Trump?

      1. Greg Brucker

        For starters:

        Hiring Steven Bannon, of breitbart news, the anti-semitic, white-nationalist, misogynist website as his right hand man, not just for the campaign, but now as his right hand man in the WH.


        1. South of Davis

          Greg wrote:

          > Hiring Steven Bannon, of breitbart news, the anti-semitic,

          > white-nationalist, misogynist website

          Can you find a link to a specific anti-semitic, white-nationalist, or misogynist quotes from Steven?

          David works at a website that has posted articles by local conservative Republican Jeff Boone but that does not make him a “conservative Republican”…

        2. Chamber Fan

          This is a huge difference between a website handing a crumb to the opposition and the president picking his two top advisors.  You’re really naive about this stuff.

        3. Frankly

          Come on Greg.  You are just repeating the same ugly name-calling crap that got you into this mess.  If Hillary Clinton won and selected Ariana Huffington or Markos Moulitsas as her right-hand “woman” I am sure you would be just fine what that, right?

      2. Tia Will

        South of Davis

        What is the “clear” racist message that has been propounded by Trump?”

        One example. His definitive statement that Judge Curiel could not be fair because of his Mexican heritage. This was his statement regardless  of how his handlers subsequently tried to walk it back.

        His statements about the superiority of his German blood. Please don’t take my word for it. Google it and you will see the much younger president elect making this statement about the superiority of his genes.

        Hiring Steven Bannon as Greg has pointed out. However, we can always hear the justifiers defending how he might have had other considerations, or the person might now emphasize other priorities ( other than his overt racism I suppose) now that they are no longer associated with a news association and are instead in the White House. So I prefer the actual tapes of our president elect propounding his racist philosophy in his own words.

        1. South of Davis

          Tia wrote:

          > However, we can always hear the justifiers

          > defending how he might have had other

          > considerations

          Interesting that with the radio on all day all I have heard from the left wing major networks (CNN, ABC and NPR) is that Stephen is a “far right wing blogger”.

          No mention that he is a former Naval officer with an undergrad degree from Georgia Tech., a master’s degree in National Security Studies from Georgetown and a Harvard MBA.

          Both statements are true, but it would be not mentioning that Ronald Regan was a former California Governor and a two term president of the United States and just saying he was the star of “Bedtime for Bonzo”.

          I’m not the kind of far right nut ball that reads sights like Brietbart and/or Drudge on a regular basis, but I’m convinced that the left wing spin of just about every major (so called) “news” source is going to kill them.  No one wants to read “news” the is spun to the left all the time (unless it is to protect a right wing advertiser)…

        2. tribeUSA

          “His statements about the superiority of his German blood.”

          Yes, Trump is woefully misguided here–like most non-Irish, through natural jealousy and envy he cannot publicly acknowledge the manifest superiority of Irish blood; one can only pity the non-Irish.

  2. Roberta Millstein

    Agreed that the world has changed, but I wonder whether the Vanguard is really best positioned to effect change on national issues.  The discussions on race I’ve seen here have been extremely unproductive.  At least on local issues we can get into relevant details and have some effect.  I’m all for getting involved with broader issues, but I’m going to do that elsewhere.

    1. Chamber Fan

      Too many here would rather gloat or troll than discuss.  Also don’t understand why there is such a disproportionate number of right wingers on a lefty blog.

      1. Frankly

        Chamber Fan wants a liberal bubble where his/her ideas bounce back with warm and fuzzy validation despite the fact that his/her ideas may be terrible, wrong, bad and destructive.

        Better people seek out others that disagree so that some learning and understand can occur.

        I guess some people have all the learning and understanding they think they need.

        1. Frankly

          If you are a “moderate Republican” why would you post this?

          So you’re saying the Vanguard should stop allowing anonymous posting and it will fix the problem?

          (the problem being what you claim is a “disproportionate number of right wingers on a lefty blog”).

        2. Tia Will


          Better people seek out others that disagree so that some learning and understand can occur.”

          And I see that as one major reason for participating on the Vanguard, which Chamber Fan is doing just like you are. What makes you think that you have any right to speak for what Chamber Fan or anyone else who posts here “wants” ?  Why is it so impossible for you to make your own points without telling others what they do and don’t think ?

          And no, before I am bombarded, that is not what I do. I may ask for clarification, or say that I have interpreted something differently. But I have never told any one else what they think or what they want. And if not believed, please provide direct quote.

        3. Barack Palin

          Because the stuff being posted by some of you on the right is crap.

          You see, it all comes down to one’s prospective because many see the stuff being posted by some of the people on the left is crap.

        4. Frankly

          I don’t know Chamber Fan, and I don’t speak for him/her.  Only reflecting on what is posted.

          Frankly (because I am) I was hoping the political vitriol would subside after the election and we could talk about policy and stop the ugly attacks on the candidates that those that support the candidates.  There was no gloating or trolling here.  The choices were both disgusting.  Even though I am more encouraged with Trump than I was during the election, he is still not the type of candidate I want to see be President.

          However, the lack of introspection and continued status quo behavior from those on the left, and then the riots from their destructive mini me’s… it is clear that lessons have not been learned and they are just going to pick another crappy candidate to run again in four years.

          So the discussion continues in that direction and not one that supports a peaceful and respectful honoring of the election process and our history of peaceful transition to new power.

          1. Don Shor

            I was hoping the political vitriol would subside after the election and we could talk about policy

            Which policies would you like to talk about?

    2. Alan Miller

      I wonder whether the Vanguard is really best positioned to effect change on national issues.

      About as much as the City Council is, but that doesn’t seem to stop them.

      1. Barack Palin

        Yes Alan Miller, how long before the CC weighs in on the election results?  Do we have some type of new resolution or statement coming?  We already know that our mayor has been quite active with the protests.  I can see more wasted time coming in future CC meetings.

        1. quielo

          Maybe you could suggest a Trump Statue? The CC lies making Central Park a battlefield for outside issues so they may be up for it.

          When I asked why we had a Gandhi Statue DP said because he represented an ideal. Certainly Trump represents something to almost everybody.

        2. Barack Palin

          The other day when the Richard’s Davis Gateway underpass project was being discussed I meantioned that a “Love Trumps Hate” sign might be welcomed to be added as part of the project.  My comment got deleted but the next day I read in the Enterprise that someone had actually painted “Kill Trump = Save the World!” graffiti on the walls near the underpass.  I wasn’t too far off afterall.

  3. Frankly

    More than 2/3 the country has been living in fears that have been realized.  These people have been damaged and then ignored by the big city elite liberals and Republicans.  They basically trampled on these people over the last 15-20 years… and more so the last 8 years.  This article is breathtaking in the demonstrated lack of empathy and passive hostility toward those real Americans.  These people took advantage of the beauty of the design of democracy to take their county back.  British took their country back.  This is just the beginning of the rejection of the liberal and corporate pursuit of a new world order.  Ideas that are fanciful but lacking feasibility given true human nature and tribalism.  What frosts me is these elites sitting on their high-horses have just been knocked off and back to shovel the barn,   but instead that are both actively and passively engaging their their temper-tantrum-throwing minions to light the barn on fire.

    This is a movement that is not stopping.  Better get used to it.

  4. Chamber Fan

    Here’s an interesting snag: Donald Trump will be the first president in American history to have no experience in government or public service at any level. He’ll be joined by a chief of staff with no governing experience and a chief strategist with no governing experience.  Think about it, would you hire a CEO with no experience?  So why would you think this is a good idea?

        1. quielo

          CF your question was “would you hire a CEO with no experience? ” so I answered it. 

          If you look at the Supreme Court as an example in previous times justices often had little legal experience. Now someone needs to have an extensive judicial background to be considered. However, someone like me, with no legal training, can predict the outcome of most SC decisions with a high degree of accuracy so it’s not clear that judicial experience is all that valuable.


    1. Frankly

      So then, we should elect no politicians lacking political experience? See ya Robb Davis!

      What ever happened to government by the people and for the people?  You really want to restrict political positions for only people of a ruling class?

      Barack Obama had nothing but experience as an academic and activist, and then a 6 years Illinois  State Senator and lastly a US Senator for three years where he voted “missing” most of the time.  In terms of his preparedness for the office, he had no business experience, no executive experience… and very little experience as a US Senator.

      I am not worried about Trump at all.  He will surround himself with knowledgeable people.

      1. Chamber Fan

        There is a difference between electing a legislator with no political experience and President.  Talk about a strawman argument.

        “He will surround himself with knowledgeable people”

        Interesting that he hasn’t so far.

        1. Frankly

          His very first pick was a VP with experience.  Trump has said that he lacks understanding of how Washington works and is focusing on putting people in positions to help fill gaps.

          From you moniker I am making the assumption that you are a small business owner.  It is really quite interesting to me hearing these things come from anyone with business and leadership experience.  So I am guessing that you have very little true executive leadership experience and hence you really don’t get it… you are not a qualified assessor of what it takes.

        2. Frankly

          It is actually quite laughable to read criticism of Donald Trump as being incapable of selecting the talent needed for the job.

          Also, expect him to fire people that do not perform to expectation unlike our current President.

        3. Chamber Fan

          Yes, his VP has political experience.  But his COS and CS do not.  I’m not a business owner, I work in a larger company, corporate, not wanting to reveal myself for important reasons.   I voted for Romney in 2012, I’m appalled at Trump.

        4. Frankly

          I was not a Trump supporter, but now I am.

          There is another difference between a right and left voter… a left voter tends to fall in love with his/her candidate and will pile on excuses in defense of one failure after another.   Conversely, right voters will not hold back criticism of their candidates if deserved.

          If Trump fails to deliver, he will be a one-term president.


      2. Tia Will

        Barack Obama had nothing but experience as an academic and activist, and then a 6 years Illinois  State Senator and lastly a US Senator for three years”

        And many on the right, as well as many on the left, myself included did not believe that he was ready for the Presidency. I believe that that was an accurate assessment because I do not believe he envisioned how hard it would be to get others to buy into his vision, even thought the majority of the electorate backed his ideas. I believe that he lacked enough experience to see the viciousness with which he would be attacked repeatedly.

        So given that Obama was judged as not experienced enough, what exactly makes Trump qualified with even less public policy experience ?

    2. Barack Palin

      Here’s an interesting snag: Donald Trump will be the first president in American history to have no experience in government or public service at any level.

      Snag?  Much of the electorate look at that as a positive.

      1. ryankelly

        What they have elected is a Board President, not a CEO, much less a COO.  Trump expects to fly in and out of Washington to attend meetings and briefings by his staff.  So we really have whomever he assigns handling and making decisions regarding  foreign policy, another person dealing with domestic policy, another dealing with budget, etc.  – all “running the country (aka The Company).” We didn’t know who these people would be in advance of the vote.  Trump and his transition team are reportedly surprised that they have to hire their own West Wing staff.  They seem to have mistakenly assumed that they had “taken over a company” and Trump would have the pleasure of ordering that people be fired, but he’s found out that he needs to hire everyone on his staff.  Obama, to his credit, is planning on meeting with him many times to help him transition into the job that Trump really doesn’t know much about.

  5. hpierce

    Re Frankly’s 11:08 post…

    My prediction… if Trump ‘fails to deliver’, or delivers the wrong goods, he will not have a Republican House, and likely not a Republican Senate in a little over two years from now… and, then, he will definitely be a one-termer…

    1. ryankelly

      You don’t know that.  White voters could just put the next Washington “outsider” into office again, responding to the same strategy that Trump used.  Republicans used the Southern strategy before to propel and now it has expanded that strategy into the mid-Western states – blaming the dismal economic recovery on Obamacare, minorities, gay marriage, immigrants, and political correctness.

      1. quielo

        Perhaps white voters do not like the open use of racial slurs such as “White Privilege” or “Gentrifier” and the recent trend towards creation of places that sanction discrimination under the “safe space” label.

        1. ryankelly

          I don’t agree that either of those terms are slurs, though I’ve never heard of “gentrifier.” I don’t understand how providing safe spaces are discriminatory in nature.  A person should have the right to go about their day in the pursuit of  happiness without someone, with a focus on their race, interfering.

        2. Tia Will


          While white privilege may indeed be used as a slur, there is no denying the reality that whites have held a privileged position in our society since its inception. I am as white as can be and recognize that I have had this singular advantage my entire life.

          Do I have to be worried about being stopped by a police officer while driving through a high crime rate area. No, for the simple reason that I do not meet the criteria for someone “likely” to be engaged in a crime. Some of you believe this is how it should be. But I can guarantee you that my black colleagues in medicine do not agree when they are trying to get to the hospital quickly when on call from home.

          Do I have to worry that I will be told by a flight attendant to get back in my seat until the medial emergency is over as just happened to a black female ob/gyn who was the only person on flight who answered the call for a physician ? No, my appearance was enough to let me go unfettered to the assistance of the passenger in distress.

          What we are seeing now is the successful exploitation of the anger ofwhites ( primarily although not exclusively) over the thought that “minorities are taking our jobs”.My question would be, “What made them “your” jobs to begin with ?  Who says that a construction worker should be a white male. Or that a business executive, or political leader, or surgeon should be a male ?  My position is that if you want a particular position, be the best for that position. Make the life changes you need to learn how to be the best.

          What I see in this group of largely white males, and a disturbingly large number of white females as well is exactly what Frankly has been accusing those on the left of doing for years. The emphasis of these “make America great again advocates” is not what can I do to benefit myself and my country, but rather “My privilege has been stolen and I want this big, strong, promise making ‘Daddy figure” spouting statements like “I and I alone can fix it ” to give me my privilege back. How ironic that Frankly is now supporting this approach while I remain devoted to individual effort and contribution. Go figure.

      2. quielo

        Gentrification is the word of the day in Oakland. Everywhere you look people are asking, “Am I a gentrifier? Is it bad? Should I care?” What people don’t seem to realize is it isn’t the mere act of moving into a neighborhood that makes you a gentrifier; it’s what you do once you get there.
        If you come into someone’s home, do you immediately start rearranging it and moving furniture in? Do you throw away their family photo albums and tell them they have to go to bed at an earlier time or play their music at a lower volume?
        No, of course not. You get to know each other, decide if you get along, and, once your host has decided you can stay, you ask politely if there is space to put your stuff. So why do you think you can move into someone else’s neighborhood and start making it over as your own? Why do you think you can move into someone’s ancestral land and start taking it over, evicting them from their homes and pushing out their businesses?

  6. Jerry Waszczuk

    The stock market is the best indicator how  ” The World Has Changed”   and I found  the morning “cry baby” thoughts  as a quite despair,  pathetic and lack of respect to the  millions of Americans which  Hilary Clinton described as a basket of deplorable s .  If I add to the above   the latest   Bernie Sanders’  comments about his own party and  how humiliated  and disappointed he feels by the  Dems elite’s and establishment  behavior  than  the agony of Democratic Party shows that the extreme  liberalism is the mental disorder.


      1. Frankly

        looked great except for many other “signs” including the cumulative economic impacts from prohibition.

        It is likely that the equity and bond market are going to see some swings (although they have been swinging with volatility for all of Obama’s terms).

        Let’s say you have some money in the bank to invest.   Today you stuff it in mutual funds or some risk -balanced investment portfolio.  Or you buy real estate.  That is the standard for most well of people these days.

        Why don’t they invest in new business starts that hire people.

        Think about all those 50-something retired government workers on a six figure pension.  Why aren’t they starting a business that can hire people?

        The simple fact is that our tax and regulatory “progress” combined with price deflation from global trade deals has made it less attractive to invest capital in new business that creates jobs.

        We will probably suffer some short-term pain in the markets as capital gets redirected.

        We will see some more inflation and higher interest rates.

        We will see deficits grow.

        Liberals and the liberal media will try and leverage all of it to paint the Trump economic plan as a failure.  But it will be the red state voters that call the shots… if they don’t see improvements in opportunity manifest, they will want to vote for yet another change.

        1. Tia Will


          But it will be the red state voters that call the shots… if they don’t see improvements in opportunity manifest, they will want to vote for yet another change.”

          Because they are expecting the government, which they claim to hate so much to improve their lives for them instead of those giving handouts to “those minorities”. Ironic, isn’t it.

      2. Jerry Waszczuk


        In 1929 many Americans  left country to help Stalin build communism in  the Soviet Union .America  need the drastic change because no way that  tax payers would be able to support  50,000, 000 food  stamps recipients , welfare people , unemployment and many of  other social liberal programs .  We need the  Made of America products in stores and  on  the Amazon . No other way to survive .  This what we have today is the  ticking time bomb to explode any time . Prelude to  to the explosion were the deplorable s and   the Trump victory . This how communist countries were disintegrated and fell because of deplorable s . I seen this and experienced  before .  I was one of deplorables  and anti communist  activist in  the country  where was one party in power  and it was a communist party. It does not matter what system is . If million s are being  forgotten than and discarded by the system then time bomb was build to explode and it only matter of time . Let wait and  see where Trump will get us.

    1. Chamber Fan

      This article wasn’t about that.  But the Stock Market is explanable in that investors now have some certainty about who the political leadership will be.  The next question will be how well the system works, but right now that’s not factoring in – probably because these are short-termers right now, planing to get out by the end of the year.

      1. Jerry Waszczuk

        Chamber Fan

        We have leader who is worry about stock market because he is billionaire and if market crush than he and his family could end with nothing .  This is a some kind assurance that he will do the job to keep economy going .


  7. Marina Kalugin

    Thank god, if you believe in that one, the world is changing.

    We blew it in the 60s/70s but this time we will succeed…

    And the Donald is on the other better faction of the illuminati…after the evil faction which the BO , and the HRC and even the Bushes were involved in.

    Follow the money and learn the truth…I already feel the freedom…even on this board, the scrubber is not scrubbing as fast as he could…..

    have fun…

  8. Marina Kalugin

    Criminal record?   back in the olden days a drunk driver was given a slap on the wrist….often it was a youngster who had been out partying.

    Nowadays, there is hardly a youngster around who doesn’t at minimum have an arrest on the record…

    Back in the old days that mattered not…..somehow I never got arrested for marching and speaking out, but many of my friends did.

    But, no harm no foul….the kids were released and so on…

    Nowadays, if one is arrested because they are set up by the perp, that arrest shows up decades after the set up had occurred and no only that, but still shows up to be explained decades after the charges were dropped.

    I hardly know a soul anymore who has not at least been stopped, and many many now arrested for looking askance or being a minority or?

    I would like it is there was no mandatory bail except in the cases of mass shootings or such.

    Let the person show up on their own recognizance or not…

    With the NSA in effect in the USA, anyone running will be caught…

  9. Sam

    “It’s the economy, stupid”- James Carville
    The current economic recovery has done nothing for blue collar workers in the middle of the country in part because of restrictive government regulations and a constant flow of cheap illegal labor.
    People who use to own small construction companies can no longer compete for jobs against other crews that do not have to pay payroll taxes, workmans comp insurance or follow labor laws because they use illegal immigrants.  You can call them racist if you want, but you are overlooking the fact that their lifestyle has been severely diminished over the last eight years.

    1. Jerry Waszczuk


      This the point and if we will not get Made in America products on the stores shelves and traditional  small business will get no relief to prosper than we will became the George Orwell’s Animal Farm society with Napoleon Pig IV in charge.

      1. Tia Will

        This the point and if we will not get Made in America products on the stores shelves”

        You mean like those men’s clothing and accessories that our president elect had his companies making abroad to leverage the cheap labor at the cost of American jobs ?

    2. Chamber Fan

      The manufacturing base in the US has been declining for a long time because the US no longer had a competitive advantage.  It wasn’t cheap labor in the US, but cheap labor abroad that killed it.  And it’s not going to come back.  We need to re-train our blue color for the current economy.

      1. Jerry Waszczuk

        Chamber Fan

        Was not cheap but was a lot cheaper .than today . In 1982 or 1983 I was making $ 5.25 /hr  in Texas A&M   University and   my wife was making $ 3.35 /hr as a seamstress in the shop . I had second job for $ 4.25 as sprinkler system installer and after 3 years in USA  we had nice 2200 sf home in nice neighborhood .  I or any of my family members  never spent in this country one day on welfare , food stamps or any government help program .  People have to work .



        1. Tia Will

          Jerry and Chamber Fan

          People have to work.” And people do work. But much of the actual work that people do is never recognized because they do not have a “job”. Mother raised two children, had three meals a day ready for my father, maintained our yard, and supplemented the family income by baking cakes and pies for sale, picking berries which she sold at the local grocery and babysitting. She never had a “job” and that worked while my father was alive. Not so much so after he died. 

          I am a strong believer in a UBI because I recognize that valuable work is performed every day but not paid for. In our constant introduction of robots and other automation into our “jobs” market we are going to see displacements of many more from their “jobs”. This is going to require a complete paradigm shift as to how we view “work” and societal contribution vs how we see “jobs”. This will require visionary thinking, not a return to some imagined era of “greatness” built on processes that are rapidly being rendered irrelevant.


  10. Marina Kalugin

    Welcome to the Real world David….when we first met this time around….(we actually knew each other a few decades ago)….I had a different last name and I wasn’t participating as much due to overwork and overstress.

    When I said that there are way more important things than the Yes on A and No on Nishi….but when I saw what was going on …I did my best to increase the spread by getting at least 200 votes of my friends, family and neighbors who never even heard of the Nishi farm..

    Many of them definitely knew of the Ricci farm…in recent months TOO many of them have died on that same street..

    and now, my friend, you and I are on some of the same battles…but fortunately not on all of them …as you really would never be able to keep up with me…ha ha….

    and I need a REAL break…right?

  11. Barack Palin

    I thought illegeals couldn’t vote.  Up to 3 million illegals may have cast votes in the presidential election.  Maybe Trump won both the electoral and popular votes.

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        1. South of Davis

          Don wrote:

          > Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist and, frankly, a complete nut.

          I agree with Don about Alex Jones, but I find it hard to believe that at least half the public housing projects don’t register the majority of residents that don’t bother to register on their own then collect all the absentee ballots from the mail area to vote for the “preferred” candidates (like they did in SF in the 90’s).  I have had old Irish people tell me that in (at least) Chicago and San Francisco that they got copies of the voter rolls and registered everyone in the parish who was not registered to vote (to try and get an Irish Catholic guy elected president).

          P.S. I’m sure that the GOP finds ways to do this also, to quote a NASCAR great (who’s name I forget) “If you arn’t cheat’n you ain’t winnin”…

        2. Marina Kalugin

          before the election…and likely it was before the primary,I shared a news clip about voter fraud from the late 1800s in SF   Colma area…

          that town is famous for having more dead than alive folks in it…and somehow the number of voters registered was higher than the living residents…it was funny but  the scrubber thought it was off topic…

          and that was before I started saving all my posts in a separate file to get to them later…so oh well.

          nothing much changes when it comes to corruption at the polls …that is why the local elections have the least fraud, right?  and where one can more easily make a difference, right?

    1. Eric Gelber

      BP – You seriously cite Alex Jones’ Infowars website as authority for anything? He is the media’s leading conspiracy theory nonsense spreader. No children were killed at Sandy Hook; the federal government was complicit in 9-11 and Oklahoma City; moon landings were faked. You undermine your own credibility to cite that fool.

  12. Cayce

    Hi David,

    I wish you had come to the vigil because it was in no way about getting over the way we feel and as a matter of fact it was a pledge to NOT NORMALIZE hate, not to accept the normalization of hate in the media or from people we know, there is no tolerance of any kind! We are mad as hell and the message was to bring light to the darkness in our country and expose it and then MOVE OUT to fight back! This darkness has always been in our country and Trump has pushed forward the message acting in HATE! If you take the time to see the facebook group “holding the LIGHT” it is filled with thing TO DO because it is put on your boots and roll up your selves time!  People came together to stand together and recharge so they can fight back. You see David, Tuesday was terrorism and when we have been terrorized we stop in our tracks people who are feeling terrorized cannot move out of pure TERROR! This gathering was to help people find their legs and MOVE FORWARD TO FIGHT AND PUSHBACK WITH ALL THEIR MIGHT! It was to assist with the “now what do we do?” There is not time for helplessness. We need to vow to protect each other and MOVE!

    Perhaps you will change your mind and share you because we need you.



      1. hpierce

        Trump is likely not racist… but definitely knows how to ‘play up’ to that minority who are… not sure which is worse…

        @ 60+ don’t see ‘race’ unless someone throws it up in my face… neither did my parents, nor my children… never treated anyone differently due to race, but accepted the fact that others did, as I was the wrong race (white) when it came to hiring, etc. [“affirmative action”]… and realize that some folk of color didn’t deal with folk like me, who dealt with them for the nature of their character, rather than the color of their skin.  [People of ALL races can be total jerks!]

  13. Frankly

    Some good stuff coming out of the media in the wake of Trump-agedon.

    Atlantic: “The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.”

    NYT Maureen Dowd: “As flawed a candidate as Trump was, he had his finger on the pulse,” Kevin [her brother] said. “The polls were off because nobody wanted to admit that they were going to vote for him. But it’s a populist revolt and a lot of people believed in Trump’s message: too much regulation, too much government. The whole thing is a bunch of guys getting rich on Capitol Hill and not paying attention to the people who elected them. They stay in Congress a couple years, then move on to K Street and call on the same people who replaced them.”

    NYT:  Lauren Southern, a host on the right-wing Canadian media site Rebel Media“Globalists almost always sneer down their nose at tradition, disdain national culture, laugh at religion and generally despise the West while holding a creepy affection for the third world,” she added. “They want open borders, cheap labor and antinationalism to benefit their business and political visions, and are all too willing to shaft the little people to achieve it.”

    WSJ: “Hillary Clinton looks likely to win the popular vote for President, and so arrive the perennial calls for a direct popular election. Even Donald Trump said on CBS’s “60 Minutes” this weekend that he’d prefer “simple votes.” But the Electoral College, for all its imperfections, is still a better way to choose a President.

    The fact that Mrs. Clinton won the popular vote may console Democrats, but if that were the measure of victory we would have had a different campaign. Both candidates would have parked themselves in populous states like New York, and Mr. Trump would have spent weeks in Texas. As it is, the Republican nominee didn’t compete in Illinois or California, allowing Mrs. Clinton to pile up big majorities. Mrs. Clinton’s advantage in California alone—more than 2.7 million votes—accounts for more than her projected margin of victory of about two million.”

    Lastly, and I cannot find the link to the article… I think it was the NYT again… in all the red areas of the electoral map, voters work in jobs that make real products.  Farmers and factory workers don’t live in the big cities.  This is an interesting point… one that leads to a number of questions about perspectives and knowledge and voting preferences.

  14. Tia Will

    Barack Obama had nothing but experience as an academic and activist, and then a 6 years Illinois  State Senator and lastly a US Senator for three years”

    And many on the right, as well as many on the left, myself included did not believe that he was ready for the Presidency. I believe that that was an accurate assessment because I do not believe he envisioned how hard it would be to get others to buy into his vision, even thought the majority of the electorate backed his ideas. I believe that he lacked enough experience to see the viciousness with which he would be attacked repeatedly.

    So given that Obama was judged as not experienced enough, what exactly makes Trump qualified with even less public policy experience ?

    1. Frankly

      Business and executive experience.

      I remember when Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. took over IBM in the early 1990s when the company was on decline because of the disruption of the PC market and the fact that IBM had grown too big, too bureaucratic and too costly.  Gerstner came from American Express Corp to the largest computer company in the world at that time.   There were many of the bureaucrats at IBM and fed by IBM that said he did not have tech background and thus would be ineffective.

      In the end Gerstner saved IBM.  He broke it apart and made it into a new company.  It was a more nimble IBM able to compete in the shifting tech market.

      1. South of Davis

        Frankly wrote:

        > Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. took over IBM in the early 1990s

        > many of the bureaucrats at IBM and fed by IBM that

        > said he did not have tech background and thus would be ineffective.

        You will score more points with Democrats by pointing out that Steve Jobs (who ran another computer company) also did not have any tech (or management) experience…

        1. Tia Will

          You will score more points with Democrats by pointing out that Steve Jobs (who ran another computer company) also did not have any tech (or management) experience…”

          And I wouldn’t have considered him to be qualified to be president either.

      2. Eric Gelber

        Let’s start with the obvious fact that running the country is far more complex and consequential than running even a major corporation. But, in either case, one must surround one’s self with competent, experienced advisors. Among Trump’s first actions was to bring the extremist bigot Steve Bannon on board as a primary advisor. That does not bode well for his presidency, and people are justifiably concerned and outraged.

        1. Frankly

          When you have been elected on a promise to rid Washington of the standard leeches… then your selections will be unconventional.  He was the strategist that helped Trump win the campaign.  The liberal, left and left media claims against him are more than weak.  But it is the standard fair from the losing side left to try and claim that their political opponents are racist, misogynists, xenophobic, white supremists, etc… when in actuality these targets of the rabid left are just advocates of supporting existing Americans and American values and don’t care what race, skin tone, gender or ethnic origin they are as long as they too support America and American values.

          These claims of the left contributed to their destruction this election.  Keep it up.

        2. tribeUSA

          I’m not concerned about whether or not the president gets into the minutiae of the nuts and bolts of policy-making; I would hope that he steers things in the right general direction–he’ll have a crew of knowledgable technocrats and their aides that will take care of the nuts and bolts of getting things done. Trump needs to put forward a clear vision, communicate and persuade others of the value and veracity of that vision, and stay the course in steering the ship of state, with a loyal and able crew at his side.

      3. Tia Will


        And herein lies what I think is a major error in the thinking of those who supported our president elect. Listening to NPR interviews of his supporters I heard many variants on the theme of “he is an experienced businessman”, so he will be a great president.. Setting aside the fact that many of us do not see accumulating wealth while declaring multiple bankruptcies while leaving other people holding the bag and others jobless, to be success, one is still left with the premise that the government should be run like a business as one business woman stated openly. But the “business” of government is not simply the accumulation of wealth, it is the protection of people and the provision of the ability for the advancement of their lives. Our president elect may or may not have been a “successful” business man depending on one’s definition of success, however, I do not believe that this in any way means that he is prepared, capable, or suitable for the role of leader of a country.



        1. Frankly

          You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but you are advocating for a political professional class and this has proven dangerous and destructive throughout history as it causes absolute corruption.  You really need to understand the design of our democratic system and why it has worked so well.  The “by the people, for the people” clause was not written “by the ruling class, for the people” for a very good reason.

          You are also clearly just making up your opinions on this for your own political advantage, because in an era where the political class and the media is 80% conservative and thus conservatives have political advantage in gaining and retaining power in your world where only those within politics are qualified for political positions, you would be advocating for the opposite.

        2. hpierce

          Frankly, you do realize that the president-elect’s pledge to drain the swamp and enact term limits is DOA per Republican Senate President pro tem, McConnell, right?  Republicans also like to be “professional politicians”.

          Contrast that to Sherman, who was key in ending the Civil War… ” if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.”

        3. Chamber Fan

          Frankly – your comment is baffling.  Republicans control congress and the presidency as they have for a good portion of the last twenty years (at least the congress), I don’t see a clear advantage for Democrats where you apparently do.

    2. hpierce

      OK… voted for Obama (twice), and believe he will go down history as a ‘better than average’ president… but, other than being the first “black” man to be president (breaking a ‘ceiling’), and ACA (which was actually around in concept many years before), he had no definable ‘visions’… a lot of rhetoric (see nearly every finalist for president in the last 40 + years), but little ‘vision’… but still, “better than average”… one of the key things I remember is, a successful politician sees “where the parade is going, then races to the front of it, and pretends to lead it”.

      Trump accurately figured out which parade he would lead, and did everything he could to be in front.

      I believe Trump is either immoral, or amoral (a comfort for those against religion), except for the “Gospel according to Trump”, which will be written by self-interest, tempered by wetting the finger and sensing which way the wind is blowing…

      Trump has no real ties to conservatism, the Republican Party, nor religion… (which are not at all the same)… a perfect choice… “it’s all about him”, at least, apparently, in his perception.  “Reality politics”.  Lots of media/blog attention/fodder… no real substance, at the end of the day…

      We will survive as a people, but may not be ‘pretty’…

        1. South of Davis

          Sam wrote:

          > Trump would have run as a Democrat (and won)

          > if the incumbent was a Republican.

          I agree and laugh when so many consider Trump a “super right wing” Republican since he was a Democrat in 2009 (and when he invited Bill and Hillary to his wedding).  Trump had only been a Republican a little longer than Bill Dodd had been a Democrat (I don’t see any Yolo County Republicans going crazy after Bill got elected)…

        2. hpierce

          Not sure, but you may speak rightly (pun unintended)… much frustration, anger and angst…

          With one or both houses of Congress taking a hard line against the President, there has been much ‘constipation’ (do something or get off the pot) in the Federal Government… am thinking that the election results reflect that both parties, and the folk that do not align with either, are “mad as hell, and we are not going to take it any more”… am thinking the electorate was not “thinking”, either way, but was reacting in the way portrayed in the movie “Network” [which works on SO many levels!]…

          Time will tell… but the president-elect will not be able to blame congress as to thwarting him on “party-lines”… time for the Republicans to put up or…

          I was hoping for a Kasich, Jeb, or Rubio to get into the “finals”… and wished the Dems had a better choice offered (Elizabeth Warren wouldn’t have had the same ‘baggage’… and, in the past, thought Elizabeth Dole would have been a strong candidate, on the Republican side)… foolish me…

  15. Tia Will


    Conversely, right voters will not hold back criticism of their candidates if deserved.”

    Then I guess that you would be joining me in admitting that the president elect has engaged in multiple known untruths used to inflame individuals into voting for him by manipulating their fears and anger. I am also guessing that you would agree that he has not held to what either of us would likely see as an admirable standard of moral leadership in his private life. And I am guessing that based on his clear statements of his genetic superiority that he personally holds a view of the Aryan superiority. How else to explain his comments about good “German blood ” and his statement that “if you take a genetically superior male and a genetically superior female you will get a genetically superior offspring”. By the combination of comments, I sincerely doubt he was speaking about athletic talent based on physical muscular qualities or height, since he was tapping his head at the time at the time of one of these quotes, captured on tape, not made up by some left wing reporter. Google his name and eugenics if you don’t believe me.

    So either you believe that he is correct and therefore does not deserve criticism or your quote is, as our president elect would way, “just words”.

    1. Frankly

      Then I guess that you would be joining me in admitting that the Democrat candidate has engaged in multiple known untruths used to inflame individuals into voting for her by manipulating their fears and anger.

    2. Jerry Waszczuk


      Trump is reincarnated Adolf Hitler , Steve  Bannon is reincarnated Henry Ford and soon  the Bible will be replaced by   the  New  Mein Kampf authored  by  Mike Pence . The  Henry Ford’s  book  The International Jew The World’s Foremost Problem will be re-written and renamed  to ” How to to fight stupidity and ignorance of  instigators”  like Dana Milbank  from the Washington Post .

      I am not sure  if you understand what is  anti-antisemitism means ?


      Anti-Semitism is no longer an undertone of Trump’s campaign. It’s the melody.

  16. Tia Will

    South of Davis

    Can you find a link to a specific anti-semitic, white-nationalist, or misogynist quotes from Steven?”

    I can.

    In 2011, Bannon said that conservative women are attacked by progressives because they aren’t a “bunch of dykes from the Seven Sisters schools up in New England.” Bannon claimed on Political Vindication Radio that “there are some unintended consequences of the women’s liberation movement. That, in fact, the women that would lead this country would be pro-family, they would have husbands, they would love their children.” Bannon’s reductiveness seems to forget (a) that being a feminist and being a wife and mother are far from antithetical and (b) that the most prominent female figures on the left are in fact wives and mothers.”

    Use of the word “dyke” sounds pretty biased against women of this sexual orientation to me.

    With regard to the “women who would lead this country”, I wonder if he had women like Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton in mind. Women who clearly have husbands and love their children. Hillary in particular is so pro-family that she has made it a hallmark of her career. But somehow, I don’t think that is quite what he meant.

    “Are there anti-Semitic people involved in the alt-right? Absolutely…. But I don’t believe that the movement overall is anti-Semitic,””

    Well think again. These are amongst the people that voted our president elect into power. Do I believe that our president elect is anti-semitic?  Probably not. But I suspect that Bannon may well be, or at least an apologist or minimizer of those who are.

    In addition, one has only to look at the Breibart headlines to infer how he feels about women. Just sample a few. I am not saying that he is clever in not providing direct quotes of these sentiments, but to choose them in order to gain personal profit is a perfect example of placing personal gain over any sense of respect of honor :

    One of Bannon’s particularly questionable decisions was giving a prominent platform to writer Milo Yiannopoulos, a self-described white nationalist, who, according to The Washington Post, was permanently banned from Twitter for an onslaught of racist abuse targeted at Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones. Some of  Yiannopoulos’ most absurd stories? In 2015 he penned an article called, “Birth Control Makes Women Unattractive and Crazy,” in which he argued, according to Snopes, that “your birth control injection will add on pounds that will prevent the injection you really want — of man meat.” Then, according to The Hill, there was the more recent article, written about Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol, which he titled, “Bill Kristol: Republican spoiler, renegade Jew.

    Now true, these were the words of Yiannopoulos, not Bannon, but Bannon has not refuted them in any way. I strongly feel that if one is not willing to disown this blatant sexism and antisemitism, then one has to own it whether we are speaking of Bannon or the president elect.

    1. South of Davis

      Tia wrote:

      > 2011, Bannon said that conservative women are attacked by

      > progressives because they aren’t a “bunch of dykes from the

      > Seven Sisters schools

      My sister in law is a more conservative than average Democrat and would agree with Bannon 100% (she has said basically the same thing many times).

      She went to Mount Holyoke for one year in the late 80’s. She left after a year because the massive number of homosexual woman at the school didn’t just “attack” (verbally AND physically) “conservative women” but pro-women, pro-choice, pro-gay marriage girls from California who weren’t  far enough politically and/or who were not in to the whole “it’s OK to be bi in college thing”…

        1. Frankly

          Searching, searching, searching for something… anything… grasping… clutching… must be a reason… must be more to do to denigrate and insult the opposition… make it up if it doesn’t exist… find the most nuanced moral equivalency argument to back your righteous mind… and the most nuanced moral difference to combat the opponent’s backing of their righteous mind.

          Don’t you see Don that this kind of thing that has proven a losing strategy now in national politics?

          You should try something new.  Maybe hear the ideas of people instead of hatefully branding them as being hateful to all the groups your political ilk have exploited to gain and hold political power… until now.

          The gig is up.

    2. hpierce

      No, Jerry… Don explained it perfectly… the filter is the filter… by its nature, it cannot think, it can only react…

      Don’t think Don had a problem with my content, per se, but it could well have been a problem with the cybernetic filter… I was not censored, nor admonished by the moderator…

      [moderator] Certain words spelled in certain ways get pulled by the filter. And then they get pulled again every time the filter runs. I don’t know why some spellings do and some don’t.

  17. Tia Will


    Tia Will, does your hospital CEO know how to do a C section? “

    No. Because our medical group CEO  ( we our structured differently from having a “hospital CEO”) is a neurosurgeon. One of the candidates to replace him is a pediatrician, another is an ob/gyn and I can’t remember the specialty of the third. However, that doesn’t mean that I would support him or any of his potential replacements for president either which is the situation that we have with our current president elect.

    Regardless of their surgical ability or supposed business acumen or whether they are philosophically on the right or left, I would rather have an experienced politician whose values and beliefs I share than any of the others.

  18. Tia Will

    South of Davis

    No mention that he is a former Naval officer with an undergrad degree from Georgia Tech., a master’s degree in National Security Studies from Georgetown and a Harvard MBA.”

    Oh for heaven’s sake. I first heard these particular details of his background in an NPR report and had them reinforced while reading the NYT. Just because you weren’t listening or reading it there, doesn’t mean that this coverage did not exist. And frankly, I don’t care just how sterling your previous record was, if you are now yourself putting forth racial, religious and gender based hatred, or giving other the platform from which to do it you are merely proving that you are no longer worthy of your past honorable service.

  19. tribeUSA

    I prognosticate that within a few years, all the phobias about Trump’s supposed racism, misogyny, xenophobia, homophobia, and any other bigotry you can think of; will be dissipated because his actions and the policies he promotes will not sustain these phobias (unless the media mainstream waves its magic wand some more; that seems to sprinkle a powder over people that makes them believe such hooey). I am a man who is willing to put my money where my mouth is; so I will try to think of a way to make this into a $ bet (or maybe another poster can formulate a bettable statement re: such a prognostication). The bilgewater of such phobias will gradually drain from the ship of state; of course attempts will be made by some disgruntled crew to hose in some more bilge.

  20. Tia Will


    the act of heresy is an opinion, act or promulgation of an ideological doctrine that contradicts the beliefs and the commandments of the Imperial Cult of the God-Emperor of Mankind.”

    You mean kind of like our president elect’s promise that “We will all being saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again when I am elected .” ?

    1. Marina Kalugin

      jeez Jerry, there are large numbers of minorities of christians and jews even there…

      And, did you know that under common core the children learn the koran and the talmud and yet they are not even allowed to put up a holiday bush around the holidays.

      In the soviet union, even father christmas was allowed as was the holiday tree and so on….

      But under the state religion of ATHEISM and intolerance for all, the presents and celebrations were on Jan 1 (under the new calendar) and again on Jan 7? ( under the old calendar)…

      And, even on Christmas day, and the eve before, the few Russian Orthodox churches were brimming with the elderly who dgaf any more….

      That was on the 25th (per new calendar) and 7 days later again ( per old calendar)…

      and so on…but no work was every done for at least those two weeks…as everyone one was drunk or celebrating…and it didn’t matter if that was at home or at the factory either.

      For those who managed to show up did not a bit of work either, right?

      Remember the union slogas of “they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work?”   ha ha

      I even somewhere have some posters of those days…right?


    2. ryankelly

      I say Happy Holidays because I don’t know if the person I’m talking to is Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, Pagan, etc.  I say Happy Holidays, because I wish them good times during the Holiday season.  I say Merry Christmas when I know that the person believes that Jesus Christ is the son of God.  Please don’t make this an issue here.

      1. Marina Kalugin

        heck.  my ex loved the guy who shocked many of my friends and most other folks…what is his name you know the guy who all liberals love to hate?

        Rush Limbaugh, right?    since my ex, who many many know around town, was formerly a Soviet Mig pilot and defected to the USA in 79, he was not a fan of the unions right?

        My current hubby, a Jew. loves that guy who is rude and crude in a different way…  Jews love crude sexual jokes…oh yeah..  Howard Stern…I could never stand that guy either.

        To each his own, right?

        And, guess what they both supported the Donald…even Amarosa is a Donald supporter…right?

        I would love it if you would never read my posts, RK as I waste WAY too much time on the likes of you resonding….

        When I was first hired as a manager at UCD< I was working leading a CBS department and a very highly rated Center …so I worked with an NAS chair and a Director who was initiated just a couple of years later.

        All the staff were fighting amongst the factions, as were the faculty …amongst themselves and taking sides also.

        In those days I was known as the peacemaker and the one who helped get the department back on track…and although the current interim provost did all he could to make our lives worse, including closing the center, refusing to let us hire for 8 years, and so on…and his agenda was to crash the department an incorporate our faculty and our reseach into HIS departmen, right?

        Our department is stronger then ever…and the current chair, and my handpicked replacement are doing what they can to keep things going.

        But, the point of this is, the Director of the Center was at the end of his rope, as a brilliant man who was trying to lead a bunch of willlful cats, while reporting to those who had little clue and were sabotaging his visions, he started to get very very angry…and started sending out mean spirited emails…and that only made things worse.

        The former MSO, though she had more than 30 years as an MSO< would shiver in her boots when he walked by…the staff all cowered also.

        I didn’t really know it at the time, but it is an inate Slav ability to love deeply and to hate just as much.

        But, we also cannot suffer fools either.

        So one day, I realized why faculty who used to adore this man when he was chair, were now trying to do him in as Director…and I had a heart to heart with this man.

        Something no-one ever dared to tell him in his whole existence…

        I will let you guess the punchline….but in the retirement card I received he signed…something that made my day…after the horrific last few years…

        I will also keep that private…as no one really cares here.

        But, you see no matter what happened those words mean that I didn’t really give my life for a bunch of folks who didn’t appreciate what I did…and though the i@@@@@@@ won this battle of LK versus the Napo and so much more,  what I did was not in vain..

        Have a lovely day ..this is my last post for today….and I hope I do not get sucked back in again…right?




      2. Biddlin

        “When I force myself to read Marina’s postings, I find myself alternatively offended and amused. ”

        And now, with a click, the irritants are gone!

        I was able to get a long and odoriferous comment section on the “Progressives…” thread down to about a half dozen readable comments.

        1. Marina Kalugin

          good one BP, and guess what, I wasn’t even over on that thread today…until just recently…I guess I am not the only one right?

          and what is wrong with making others amused?  right?  and sometimes there is a point to being offensive….have a good night, all

        2. Barack Palin

          Marina, I don’t agree with a lot of your opinions just as I’m sure you don’t often agree with me but I’ll never deny you your right to comment and I’ll never put you on ignore for what you have to say.


  21. Marina Kalugin

    wow now there is an ignore button…but if you use it then you obviously are one of the very pc and very ostrich people…

    I may only ignore the developers as how many times have I heard their lies…omg…

    way tooo many times many of you were not even born yet, right?

    wtf cares…what I think…no-one ever really cares about anything but what THEY think…but the older one gets, the better  one gets at listening and learning and seeing the liars for who they are…right?

    who knows, I just hope that the main scrubber has ME  on ignore…then the minions and masses may learn a thing or two.

    wtf cares or wth is interested,   na da…


    1. Tia Will

      sometimes there is a point to being offensive”

      I will always give credit where it is due. Marina must be right about this since  it is the principle means used by our president elect in his “successful” campaign.

  22. Marina Kalugin

    so I didn’t press ignore but much of the fun stuff posted by those who were really getting on the edge are gone.

    posts by me, Tia, Jerry, and even Ryan and BP,,, and some by the DS, and some by others who also have little clue on some topics…

    yeah, now this is cleaner, but what is left?

    this is like the Soviet Union when the only news allowed was not even the “news fit to print’…but what the leadership thought was fit to be seen, right?

    cya guys….soon there will be a new sight called the ANTI-DV or some such..

    where there will be no scruggin,  no ignoring and the minions can rattle on until the cows come home.

    And on that group will be all the scrubbed yet truthful stories and documents and alerts etc… and some predictions, right?

    wtf knows, right?



    1. hpierce

      Sounds like it will be an individual choice… God forbid that happen, right?

      Those able not views express english (PC correct not!) posts on, list on my first…

      Likewise, true ranters who have no facts to bring to the table, but instead spread untruths…

      Am fairly sure you’ll be on my short list, depending how the option works… except for the fact that I tend to want to refute untruths… and you are full of those, and strong on innuendos…

  23. hpierce

    Must have missed ‘the memo’ or something… the new (?) “ignore commenter” thing… have no problem with that, but does that mean a particular comment, a commenter on a single topic, or “universal” as to a ‘commenter’?

    Inquiring minds are curious… only noticed the “option” this evening… didn’t see it this morning…

      1. hpierce

        Thanks… I tend to play by rules (but not always), but am easily frustrated if I don’t know the rules, then am given a yellow or red card… look forward to understanding how “ignore commenter” feature works…

  24. hpierce

    The world has not changed… the continents, within micro-millimeters, have not moved.

    The population of the world haven’t moved more than a few years ago (statistically)…

    The make-up of America is basically unchanged…

    Some think there are “changes”  … no… the differences in opinion are more apparent…

    The world is the same… for some, the “view” may be different, but that could well be they were deluded before…

    I oppose the trend, but will do my duty to modify this…

  25. Jerry Waszczuk

    Why I will join the Women’s March on Washington on January 21st, 2017
     11/15/2016 03:16 pm ET | Updated 5 hours ago
    Linda Katehi Chancellor Emerita and Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering and Women, Sexuality and Gender Studies, UC Davis
    I have never thought of myself as a political activist. It is true that growing up in the Vietnam war era I signed up against the war as millions of American did at that time and I protested against it. However, as I grew up beyond that era, I thought of myself as a busy, progressive, professional woman who struggled to integrate work with family life. I was too busy raising two children and building a career to become an activist around the issues that mattered to me the most.
    Yet, now, being a 62-year-old woman who is looking to her grandchildren more than to her career, I have found myself really anxious about the future of my children and their children. Providing women with the same liberties as men, is the foundation on which the new administration could “Make America Great”. However, the rhetoric does not much the actions taken early in the transition of the new administration, or the actions this President-elect intends to take.
    The right of women to choose should not be a political, religious, racial or cultural issue. The right of women to enjoy the same freedoms as men should be the foundation of a democracy we all aspire to in our country. Saying no to the right of women to choose, is not very different from the 1916-1919 efforts to block the right of women to vote.
    Saying that overturning Row vs. Wade or relinquishing the constitutionality of the right-to-choose to the political establishment of the states will prevent late term abortions is not different from calling women irresponsible or unable to act ethically. It also shows a complete ignorance of the facts or complete corruption of thought. Complete ignorance, because according to the facts only 1% of the total abortions are near term and they happen for medical reasons, and complete corruption of thought, because the argument implies that women have to be prevented from willingly killing their children. There are more children who are killed because of the illegal use of guns than late term abortions, yet the politically corrupt mind speaks of one but not the other.
    The right of women to chose is as fundamental as any other human right and those, who differentiate between the freedom-to-choose and other freedoms of our constitution, view women as inferior, ignorant or irresponsible members of our society. An America that does not recognize women as equals can never become great. This is the reason I, along with my colleagues and my family, will join thousands of others to remind the incoming president and government that “Women’s Rights Matter”
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