Monday Morning Thoughts: Why a Sanctuary City?

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On Wednesday, the Vanguard, the Davis Phoenix Coalition and the Human Relations Commission held a forum, which I moderated, on the Davis Sanctuary City.  Part of the reason why I wanted to participate is because there is a lot of confusion as to what a sanctuary city does – and frankly, there is a huge difference between the governance structure in Davis versus San Francisco.

San Francisco is a city and county in a single boundary and as a result has a very different structure than Davis.  Therefore, the city and council jointly create policy, such as not holding undocumented inmates in jail at the request of ICE – and this is the part everyone misses – UNLESS the detainer request is accompanied by a judge’s order.

Davis does not have a jail, it is not the county seat, and therefore it has no policy related to ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) holds.  Davis’ sanctuary city status is much more limited.  All Davis’ law says is that “the City of Davis supports a fair and just reform to the immigration process, where local funds and resources are not used to enforce federal immigration laws, and where the Davis Police Department has actively committed not to seek out and persecute individuals within the city limits because of their documented status.”

As I pointed out in a comment yesterday, and as Davis Police Chief Darren Pytel pointed out on Wednesday, Davis’ law actually lines up with current state law under the Trust Act.  The city police enforce state laws, not federal ones.  ICE has jurisdiction over federal laws, and nothing would prevent them from coming into Davis and raiding someone’s home (as they did back in 2011).

But under the Trust Act, particularly AB 4 authored by former San Francisco Assemblymember Tom Ammiano, California “[p]rohibits a law enforcement official from detaining an individual on the basis of a United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) hold after that individual becomes eligible for release from custody, unless specified conditions are met.”

In other words, state law would actually preclude the police from doing the very thing our sanctuary city resolution also precludes.

But the commenters on the Enterprise site don’t seem to understand state law here.  One writes, “This PC insanity has got to stop! Davis should be disqualified from any Federal funds!”  Another adds, “Our p/c whipped police chief decides which laws he will enforce — or not. Gee, makes me feel a whole lot safer. Cut off the federal funding to the Davis PD and the rest of the city.”

The reality is that it seems unlikely that the federal government is going to cut off federal funding to Davis.  They would probably have to cut off federal funding to the entire state of California – which Davis, changing its status, wouldn’t prevent.

It seems more likely that a Trump administration would want to target places like San Francisco and Los Angeles, which are directing their jails not to honor ICE holds without a judge’s order – a far bigger deal than the police deal.

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Of course when I pointed this out, I was told, “Why don’t you and those like you go find another Country to destroy?!”

Some on here have argued, if there is any possibility of our status impacting federal funding, why take a chance?

There are multiple answers to that.  The first is that right now, we are arguing in the abstract.  At some point the Trump administration will clarify what it intends to do.

As Robb Davis and Lucas Frerichs pointed out, “To date, the President-elect has not defined what he means by a sanctuary city, nor by what method, or in relation to which funds, he intends to act. Nor, frankly, is it clear what the President’s latitude is in this regard.”

At some point we will have an idea if federal funding is actually threatened. My guess is that that at that point Davis can see if their intent threatens money – if it actually does, then there will be a debate over whether Davis should forgo that money or whether it should change its status.

There will be people who argue that we cannot afford to lose millions and those who will argue that our values are more important than those millions.

I will probably side on the side of giving up the money to adhere to our values. However, as I have said, I don’t believe Davis’ law actually will cause it problems.

Again, I think San Francisco is likely to be targeted and, if Davis is targeted for following state law, then the entire state will be targeted and therefore it won’t matter what Davis does.

But I think our commitment goes further than that.  To me, this is about our commitment to civil rights and supporting those in our community who feel persecuted and vulnerable.

School Board Member Madhavi Sunder summed up these thoughts nicely.

Madhavi Sunder noted that students “are feeling targeted in the current social climate.”  She said, “I wanted to speak personally to the students who are afraid. Some students are afraid for themselves – because they might be targeted for hate speech or discrimination or even threatened with violence. Others are afraid for their parents, their aunts, their cousins – who they fear might be subjected to deportation.”

Mayor Robb Davis and Councilmember Lucas Frerichs wrote yesterday that “it is our shared desire that for those who live here in peace, and who contribute in so many meaningful ways to our local and national economy, to find respite in the current uncertainty occasioned by the recent national election. Offering them these guarantees helps to assure they will engage with local law enforcement if they are the victims of crime, rather than eschew participation for fear of being deported.”

Finally some have characterized the post-election fears and atmosphere as “hysteria” that remains ongoing.

People tend to react with fear when words are used to incite anger and hatred with the possible consequence of loss of liberty or even expulsion from the place they call home.  As Robb Davis said a few days after the election, “those fears are justified.”

He said, “I cannot—we cannot—succumb to those fears.”  But he added, “[M]ake no mistake, words have consequences and words were spoken, not by accident, not with a slip of the tongue, but words were spoken during this campaign with meaning, with intent and those words have consequences.  And the consequences for us today are that we have legitimate fear within our community.  We have to acknowledge that.”

It is nearly a month and a half after those words were spoken, but what has changed to decrease that fear?  Have we been offered reassurance?  I haven’t seen it.

Bottom line, the Davis Sanctuary City status is not likely to imperil its federal funding, but it is a statement about this community’s values.

—David M. Greenwald reporting

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David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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88 thoughts on “Monday Morning Thoughts: Why a Sanctuary City?”

  1. Tia Will

    why don’t you and those like you go find another Country to destroy?!”

    Some are asserting that the “hysteria” caused to the uncertain consequences of the election is overblown.

    It is interesting to me that statements like the one quoted also seem to be fear driven. The fear here is that of many of those who voted for the president elect. Namely the fear that they were losing something that they feel entitled to and that they want the president elect to “give back to them”. Many of the same folks are those who have no problem denying the same rights and privileges that they expect to others, both documented and undocumented.

    1. South of Davis

      Tia wrote:

      > The fear that they were losing something that they feel entitled to

      > and that they want the president elect to “give back to them”

      Many “deploarbles” felt we were “losing” the “rule of law” where cities can just say “we don’t like the law so F you” and many are hoping the president elect will bring back the “rule of law”…

      One of my favorite bloggers (a Berkeley liberal) wrote a great piece today (that will hopefully get more of the bottom 90% on the left to realize that they have a lot in common with the bottom 90% on the right):

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-19/are-you-deplorable

    2. Frankly

      Namely the fear that they were losing something that they feel entitled to and that they want the president elect to “give back to them”.

      You liberals have found a new friend in that word “fear”.  It seems that you pull it out like you have previously pulled out the word “racist” when you are out of rational arguments to back your point.

      Take a look at this.  Beginning around 2004-2005 we started seeing a sustained drop in voter opinion that the country was on the right track.  That drop got to the single digits around the end of 2008 (understandable because of the Great Recession), but then averaged in the mid-low 20s for Obama’s entire eight year run.

      Obama rode in on a message of hope and blame.   The hope never materialized and the blame Bush meme ran out of energy.  And then so Barack and his disciples took to blaming everyone that disagreed with their liberal views… and the name-calling reached new lows of nastiness and hate.

      It isn’t fear.  It is disappointment and disgust.  And yes, there is a desire to return the country back to greatness where the majority are proud of it again.  That is represented in the polls.

       

      1. wdf1

        Frankly:  It isn’t fear.  It is disappointment and disgust.  And yes, there is a desire to return the country back to greatness where the majority are proud of it again.  That is represented in the polls.

        The question that is being asked is

        In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?

        There are several reasons why a respondent can answer “no.”  It can be disgust over Obama, it can be disgust over the Republican-led Congress.

        I was also interested to know their procedure for identifying and communicating with individuals in the poll, but couldn’t find it.  How much has their method changed over time to account for fewer landlines and more cell phones?

  2. Marina Kalugin

    there IS overblown hysteria and those “in charge” are fueling the fire.

    edited

    DG, you share a lot of the details which elucidate what I had tried to say in my more awkward ways recently on other threads….

    I  would prefer the USA be returned to the days when stupid laws didn’t rule the land and so on.

    Before the forefathers here .. it was a way better place than it is now… and the USof A was a sanctuary for those who came later.

    read the inscriptions on the statue of liberty.. read the constitution..

    and weep that much of what we are now having to fight is because of those same forefathers..

    Much of the real truth was snuffed out in USofA history books..

    And again we are trying to start over….

    For those who accuse me of being a racist or a bigot please try to get a f clue.  I loved SF and Maui and Davis and PV>  as those towns welcome people of all kinds, all orientations and so on.

    If you haven’t seen this new documentary .. omg..  it is highly recommended for everyone on all sides… it IS suitable for children and it will help explain many things to anyone who will take the time.

    Way better than I can.. we had to disembark prior to the end of the movie  but.. saw more than 75% of it…. it features children and is a very kind and loving movie..

    it is a PBS film entitled Kumu Hina

    May it open your eyes…..

  3. Tia Will

    Marina

    there IS overblown hysteria”

    I am open to the possibility that this is a correct statement. I also believe that it is frequently interpreted as applying to only one side of the political spectrum. I believe that much of what drove the support of our president elect was also fear, fear of terrorism, fear of losing one’s own rights and privileges, fear that someone was “coming after your guns”, fear that something other than rapidly evolving technology was “stealing our jobs”. There are all kinds of unwarranted fears. And then there are legitimate concerns that the president elect might actually follow through on the more draconian of his own pronouncements. Fear is a powerful political tool and neither side has a monopoly on it.

  4. Marina Kalugin

    were “Trump type supporters” whatever that means rioting in the streets when BO was elected?

    where “they” whoever they are having meetings sponsored by the city or the UCD?

    And were “they” whoever they are getting free counseling on all UCD campuses?

    gimme a break

  5. Dave Hart

    In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by those who identify as “conservative” or “white” or otherwise see themselves as victimized by “left-wing” government.  That is why normal people are fearful of what a the incoming administration might do directly to people; or, indirectly by implying it is okay to intimidate or use violence against anyone who do not agree with them.

    How many T*** supporters were ever actually afraid of being beaten up by Obama supporters?  How afraid were our young Republicans of being shot at by young Democrats?  Well, people on the “left” are afraid of that and by the rhetoric that comes from some of the nameless T*** supporters here and elsewhere it seems justified.

    1. Barack Palin

      In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by those who identify as “conservative” or “white” or otherwise see themselves as victimized by “left-wing” government.

      That is so much baloney.

      I can post videos of all kinds of violence and hate coming from the left.  One video shows a high school student getting beat up because she posted something pro-Trump to her Facebook account.  Another od a man getting beat up on the streets of Chicago because the thugs thought he voted for Trump.  I could go on forever with these types of examples coming from the left.

       

       

    2. quielo

      “In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by those who identify as “conservative” or “white” ” Do you have some source for that or are you basing it off the demographic profile of the prison population?

        1. Frankly

          why don’t you cite one example of an Obama supporter killing some right-wingers?

          Ha!  Nice try with your completely attempt at some baseless moral equivalency.  So which President did Dylan Roof support?

          How about this.  We consider Dylan Roof a terrorist, and then count up all the Islamic terrorist mass killings in this country since Obama took office about which liberals claim conservative folk are filled full of unfounded fears.

          Here is what we know about gun violence or gun death in general.

          It is more prevalent where there is high poverty and lower education.  And this is why it looks like a Democrat problem (e.g. Chicago) and a Republican problem (Dylan Roof).

          But if you really want to feel safer from gun violence, then you should have been afraid of Obama because under his rule we grew in poverty and dropped in education outcomes.

      1. Dave Hart

        B.S. in something here.  I talking about 21st Century U.S.A.  Don’t try to distract from the conversations we’re having about what the discourse in this country is about.

      2. hpierce

        Depends how you look at it… number of perpetrators, level of violence, and/or numbers of victims…

        Orlando, Sandy Hook, Charleston church, Aurora, San Bernadino, Columbine, Arizona mall (where Gabby and many others were shot).  None were a result of a perpetrator who was a racial minority.  Many apparently had ‘conservative’ leanings.  And/or their parents did.

        1. Marina Kalugin

          jeez. .. these were almost all wealthy entitled kids of rich parents and what they have in common were the myriad of psyhe drugs they were on.. …and in and out of therapies and so much else. .

          San Bernardino was not even whites and certainly not any Trump supporters either..

          heck I wasn’t either until the BO/HRC camp stole the election from Bernie…

           

        2. hpierce

          Afghan… considered “white”… Pakistani… used to be considered white, now classed as Asian… “gay” is not a race, and has nothing to do with being a conservative/liberal, unless you are a “flaming” bigot.  Are you?

        3. hpierce

          Quielo… re:3:12 post

          Nah… if I thought your were a flaming bigot, I’d let you burn out…

          But at at a 97.845% level, I do not believe you to be a bigot… at times you can be insensitive, but anyone here can tell you (and I admit) I can be so also… as I was in this case…

          My apologies for the ‘tag line’… too many unsolicited calls earlier from folk wanting to sell me solar, wanting to tell me that I had a problem with my windows computer, etc., I was in a “snotty” mood when I added the last… sincere apology, that tag line was truly not warranted…

    3. Frankly

      This is Gestapo-speak.    Sort of reminds me of the past memes of the Nazis against the Jews (they will come kill your children and drink their blood).  And the current memes of the Mid-East Muslim Arab world saying the same.

      The fact is that leftist totalitarian regimes like the one we had been marching toward have been responsible for 100000000000000000000-times more human violence and death than have any that we could claim were conservative in nature.   Conservatives fight for freedom and thus need to beat back the leftist collectivists at times.   You are welcome for that.

      [moderator] tone it down, please.

      1. hpierce

        The fact is that leftist totalitarian regimes like the one we had been marching toward have been responsible for 100000000000000000000-times more human violence and death than have any that we could claim were conservative in nature. 

        Yes, that is indeed Gestapo speak.

        Thank you for your conservative number, and viewpoint demonstrating conservative values as to “fact”…

        1. hpierce

          A very “conservative” thing to do… even pseudo-conservatives like the president-elect are comfortable hitting the “send” button, claiming their postulates are fact.

          Can’t you take a compliment?

      2. hpierce

        Yeah, and Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini were all right-wing conservatives who fought for freedom and beat back the leftist collectivists.  No violence/crimes there… and lots of freedom… viva le conservatives on the ‘right’!

        Heck, Hitler even tried to get the leftists out of Russia!  Had it not been for bad weather, he might have… but he made the Napoleanic mistake…

        Forgot Pinochet…

        1. hpierce

          Your point would have been better made if you had pointed out that totalitarian folk are ALWAYS dangerous… whether they drape themselves in the ‘flag’ of “left” or “right”; head cases are head cases… they’re not political, nor constrained by their racial background…

          Totalitarians usually come to power by appealing to one of the far ends of the spectrum.  Those who feel threatened/disenfranchised.  The Bolsheviks played played to those who felt threatened, disenfranchised by the “establishment”… the czar, etc.

          Some like Pinochet, are aided and abetted by a foreign power who doesn’t like the right or left politics of the existing regime.  Sometimes, a foreign power will attempt to affect outcomes if they think one “side” will be more favorable to their interests.

          Generally, most mass crime/violence are perpetrated by megalomaniacs/narcissists, regardless of political stripe… the latter is incidental…

          Beware when someone first feeds into the fears of a large group of people, and then promises them ‘salvation’… they may be a ‘messiah’, but history has usually shown them to be charlatans… and then things get even worse when they obtain great power.  Theoretically, if such a person gets effective power over the entire government of a country, things are not likely to go well for the average citizen… historically, Germany… Russia… China… Spain… ???…

        2. Jerry Waszczuk

          hpierce

          The Hitler’s worse mistake was not the Napoleon’s mistake but the declaration of war against the United States of America on  December 11,  1941.   Following the Japan’s  mistake  on December 7, 1941  with attack on Pearl Harbor ended Hitler’s dream about the  1000 years Reich .

        3. Frankly

          hpierce – I think we need to define “right” vs “left” to cover this.

          Generally it is much easier to spot a right-leaning totalitarian march.  However, the left march tends to be incremental and thus hard to recognize until it is often too late.

          Modern democratic conservatism is libertarian.   It is supportive of more human freedom and fewer top-down restrictions, but in a framework of local culture and values… however, it focuses on the real material rights of the individual within that framework.  I do not find many examples where modern conservatism killed large numbers of its own people to make them comply.

          However, there are copious historical examples where the march of what resembles modern liberal-progressivsm led to millions being exterminated to force compliance of the people.

    4. South of Davis

      Dave wrote:

      > In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by

      > those who identify as “conservative” or “white”

      The FBI says that most (over half) of the people who killed someone last year were black (and considers guys like Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez who come here illegally and move to a “sanctuary city” like SF and kill people “white”)

      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3

      1. Dave Hart

        I was referring to politically motivated violence.  You know, the kind that happened at T*** rallies and yes, Dylan Roof.  I never heard anyone say they were afraid to go to a Clinton rally.  Oh, yeah, that’s what this thread was supposed to be about.

        1. quielo

          ” I never heard anyone say they were afraid to go to a Clinton rally. ” I never heard anyone say they had an interest in going to a Clinton rally at all. Lots of friends fired up about Bernie but can’t of anyone who went to see HRC

    5. Marina Kalugin

      really then please explain why the prisons are more full of minorities?

      and why the areas where most minorities live are more full of crime.. and

      oh by the way please provide YOUR evidence and real statistics for
      “In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by those who identify as “conservative” or “white” or otherwise see themselves as victimized by “left-wing” government. ”

      really?    ha ha.. .the cops and sockpuppets on here could present the statistics for ya but I doubt it…

      PS> it is a proven fact by real estate statistics which I am sure the Arnolds on the council and elsewhere can share the links for without a blink.. that there is less crime in prominently whiter areas like Davis than predominately minority full areas like the Oaks . the Park and the Land.. of course that is not the only reason of the levels of violence.. education or lack of plays a huge role.. but it was never a EU or SLAV or MX or most other countries or even in the animal kingdoms to poop in ones one yard or living room.. . Not sure why so many folks of other colors thing that makes any sense….,.

      1. hpierce

        please explain why the prisons are more full of minorities?

        David/the VG, has repeatedly “provided your documentation”… crime is not equal to arrest; whites are not as likely to be arrested… arrest is not equal to prosecution; whites are less likely to be prosecuted… prosecution is unfair; whites are more likely to get a ‘plea’, and/or face less/lower charges… trials are unfair; jurors are intrinsically biased against non-whites… so are convicted more often… judges are biased against minorities; therefore they get longer sentences… does that answer your question?

    6. Alan Miller

      In the United States, far more violence is perpetrated by those who identify as “conservative” or “white”

      That explains why cops are always pulling over Ford F-150’s, Audi A8’s, Ford Mustang Convertibles, Ford Expeditions, and Mercedes GL’s with red, white & blue flags.  Damn profiling!

      1. Dave Hart

        I was referring to politically motivated violence.  You know, the kind that happened at T*** rallies and yes, Dylan Roof.  I never heard anyone say they were afraid to go to a Clinton rally.  Please focus.  We are talking about a sense of fear for personal safety because of the sense of violence perpetrated by people on the right during this election.  T*** through his rhetoric and now his cabinet appointments indicates he is doing the wink and nod to disavow such behavior.  He is integrating a look the other way regarding low level violence as part of his political program and that scares people not just on the left.  His attitude shows disrespect for the safety of citizens, violence toward institutions and violence toward the environment.

        And my earlier comment that you referred to as a dodge, Alan, was personal and disrespectful.  I was due to take charge of my grandkids at a location 70 miles away and a little over an hour from when I made that comment to sign off.  You are best when you take people at their word.

        1. Alan Miller

          “sense of fear for personal safety because of the sense of violence”

          So not violence, just a sense of it.  How about a sense of this is BS?

          “integrating a look the other way regarding low level violence”

          What does this even mean.  Please, just one example.  And not a sense of an example.

          His attitude shows disrespect for the safety of citizens, violence toward institutions and violence toward the environment.”

          Besides this making no sense, how about Obama’s violence toward the environment?  As one example, his and Brown’s horrible mega-solar project programs that have and will destroy vast swaths of desert land, and don’t use solar panels but suck precious water out of desert aquifers.  Not to mention the multi-billion dollar bankruptcy of a horrible corporation subsidized by this program.  You are so blind to ideology you fail to see what is happening over what you perceive might happen.

          And my earlier comment that you referred to as a dodge, Alan, was personal and disrespectful.

          The only thing personal I see is that you took it that way.  I’ll apologize when I cross the line, but not over someone’s perception.  No apology for you!

  6. Chamber Fan

    When people go off topic, it seems that things get nasty.  Most of the comments here have little to do with this article.  Perhaps the moderator can be more heavy handed here.

  7. Frankly

    The article makes some good points about the difference between Davis and San Francisco, but then fails to consider the very problem.  That the rulers of these cities are deciding what federal laws and regulations they will comply with or not comply with.   With respect to immigration, it is a federal jurisdiction ownership.  The political left has been clear in their demand for this as they have pounced on states like Arizona trying to implement its own tougher immigration laws to stem the financial bleeding from the invasion of poor and uneducated, and some violent, people over their southern border.

    But that was when they assumed that they had their activist-in-chief in the White House, and his female repeat lined up next.   Now that the guard has changed to one that will REALLY enforce the law of the land, they pull their local activist card and thumb their nose at those federal authorities.

    It is a bad move.  It is a bad move because the majority of states that elected Donald Trump and a Republican majority everywhere are demanding that the US enforce our immigration laws.  That means that officials in the states and cities are going to be required to help.  If they don’t help, they will lose funding.

    Especially in California.   California is despised by the red states and the President.  It is seen as the hard-left rouge state… the one that corrupts the country and tilts it toward becoming something it is not and should never be.   So I expect the punishment of California to be gleefully administered by the GOP.

      1. quielo

        And whatever the new admin does or does not do it is unlikely to happen quickly. Reasserting principles and staying agile is likely the wisest approach.

        If I had to guess I would say the new admin will favor state level interventions and pressure local jurisdictions that way.

    1. Don Shor

      With respect to immigration, it is a federal jurisdiction ownership.

      Thus it is also a federal enforcement responsibility.
      When local agencies are ordered to enforce immigration law, it undermines local law enforcement. People stop reporting crimes and stop cooperating with the police for fear of immigration enforcement. Schools are not immigration enforcement agencies: their job is to educate young people who reside in the school district boundaries. Students who fear deportation will not go to school. That isn’t good for anyone.
      These are reasonable concerns.

      1. Jerry Waszczuk

        Students who fear deportation will not go to school. That isn’t good for anyone.

        This is the fruits of stupid and irresponsible medias’ , politicians , teachers and other agitators to inflict the fear   for political the  reason .  Making lot of noise about the sanctuaries cities taking tall on kids . My friend has kids in Lodi ‘s schools and they are not afraid to go to school every day.  Lodi is not  the  sanctuary city.

    2. Tia Will

      Frankly

      It is seen as the hard-left rouge state… the one that corrupts the country and tilts it toward becoming something it is not and should never be. “

      Unless of course, you are one of the many millions of Californians who happen to believe that California is much, much closer to what the country should be than are the red states.

      California is despised by the red states and the President. “

      Now here is a statement I can agree with. So instead of taking a more objective approach, and adopting what goes well in California while attempting to work with Californian’s on what is not going well, we have an incoming president who won his position by telling part of the country that the rest of the country was against them, that others were stealing from them, that they were entitled to more, and that in his own words “Only he could fix it.”

      That the rulers of these cities are deciding…..”

      The rulers…..the rulers ?????

      OK, I can’t speak for San Francisco, but I can address this “overblown hysteria” here in Davis. Who exactly are these “rulers” of whom you speak ?  Mayor Davis ?  In a weak mayor model city ?  Our city council members ? Yep, I can see Brett, Rochelle, Lucas and Will dispatching Chief Pytel and his “troopers” out in to our community to tighten the liberal reins of power around us even now.

       

       

       

       

  8. Barack Palin

    It’s official, Trump wins on electoral votes.

    Now say it, “President Trump”.

    Emergency meetings being held all over Davis tonight, hysteria and fear abound.

    Waiting for the mayor to make a statement to try and abate the panic.

     

    1. Eric Gelber

      If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, it’s just possible you haven’t grasped the situation.” ~ Jean Kerr (via Rudyard Kipling)

      1. hpierce

        But democrats/republicans, conservatives/liberals, and everyone in between should pay attention to the next 3, 6, 9, 12 months and beyond… anyone who thinks they can go on “cruise control” is a fool.

        Protests have little purpose at this point, but ‘vigilance’ is crucial…

        As I’ve said before, if Trump and the new Congress succeeds, GREAT… if they fail, it’s on the back of those who voted for those folk, not mine.

          1. Don Shor

            No, you can just download the document as a .doc or a .pdf. That’s all I did. I don’t give email addresses either.

        1. hpierce

          Have started to drill down, but for those of us in CA, with 2 Democrat Senators and a local Democrat Rep, not real useful on the strategies… would be different in a ‘swing state’ or a ‘swing district’… but, thank you, nonetheless…

    2. Tia Will

      Frankly

      It is seen as the hard-left rouge state… the one that corrupts the country and tilts it toward becoming something it is not and should never be. “

      Unless of course, you are one of the many millions of Californians who happen to believe that California is much, much closer to what the country should be than are the red states.

      California is despised by the red states and the President. “

      Now here is a statement I can agree with. So instead of taking a more objective approach, and adopting what goes well in California while attempting to work with Californian’s on what is not going well, we have an incoming president who won his position by telling part of the country that the rest of the country was against them, that others were stealing from them, that they were entitled to more, and that in his own words “Only he could fix it.”

      That the rulers of these cities are deciding…..”

      The rulers…..the rulers ?????

      OK, I can’t speak for San Francisco, but I can address this “overblown hysteria” here in Davis. Who exactly are these “rulers” of whom you speak ?  Mayor Davis ?  In a weak mayor model city ?  Our city council members ? Yep, I can see Brett, Rochelle, Lucas and Will dispatching Chief Pytel and his “troopers” out in to our community to tighten the liberal reins of power around us even now.

       

       

       

       

      1. Frankly

        Clearly what we need in this country is to get more people working in the private sector so they spend less time in “higher” learning getting brainwashed into a liberal orthodoxy.

        1. hpierce

          And, those in the private sector (particularly supervisors or managers) can spend more time posting on blogs during the work day… to help brainwash folk into a conservative orthodoxy… hell YES!

          Orthodoxies (at least conservative ones), after all, liberate minds, encourage folk to think for themselves… thank God for folk on the “right” (because they are) to help persuade folk to think their way, and for those who do not “hear the Word”, impose it upon them.

          Am confused, Frankly… how are public employees spending more time in “higher” learning? [that needs to be corrected, apparently, by your comment]

          Guess it is better to go for “lower” learning… folk are more compliant with that…

        2. Frankly

          There was some sarcastic humor embedded in that comment… expecting a reaction that might lead to a deeper conversation.  It is a problem don’t you agree?

          Here is how I see it actually…

          I think there are at least three potential conclusions to draw:

          1. We need fewer people staying so long in “higher” learning so long that they lose their common sense while getting brainwashed into a leftist orthodoxy.  Maybe more online “just-in-time” higher learning will help here.

          2. We should increase the education level of the rest of the nation if we are to succeed in attaining the liberal vision of a social and economic utopia.

          3. This isn’t so much an education-level divide, it is an economic divide because of globalism and the loss of manufacturing jobs in the nation which has benefited the college-educated at the expense of the working-class. By bringing back industry and manufacturing jobs we will see a less profound divide.  In other words, for Democrats to start winning national elections again, they should embrace bringing jobs to these areas… instead of pushing to increase regulations and raise taxes it a mad scheme to kill industrialism.

        3. Frankly

          Looks like #1 and #3 are on the move…

          Despite aggressive efforts nationwide to boost the number of people who attend college, enrollments declined this fall for the fifth straight year as better job prospects for older potential students and a stalled pipeline of new high-school graduates were compounded by continued woes in the for-profit college sector.

          Total fall-term undergraduate and graduate enrollment slid by 1.4% to 19.01 million students as of the beginning of this month, according to the National Student Clearinghouse Research Center, a nonprofit education organization.

          Enrollment peaked at nearly 20.6 million in 2011.

          The undergraduate student count fell by 1.9%, to 16.3 million this term, while graduate-student enrollment rose by 1.5% to 2.71 million.

          Students over age 24 account for almost the entire overall decline, as adults who may consider returning to school to boost their career prospects are finding jobs instead. That population of “older” students was about 6.63 million at last count, generally concentrated at community colleges and for-profit schools that offer more flexible and vocational courses.

      1. hpierce

        Actually, Tia, the ‘president-elect’ “isn’t“, until the House certifies the Electoral vote count in early January… technically, Mr Trump is the “apparent president-elect”… he will technically be the president-elect once that happens, and will become president when he puts his hand on a Bible (probably the second time he will do so in the last 2 years, BTW), and takes the oath of office.

        There are two valid forms for the “oath of office”… one either “swears” or “affirms”… Washington “affirmed” (‘swearing’ was wrong to him… biblical basis for that)… am sure Mr T will “swear”… he is arguably only a “nominal” conservative, a “nominal” Christian, and not clear if he is even ‘spiritual’, except towards the gods of self-promotion, money, power, and rhetoric.

        Perhaps he could place his hand on a copy of “The Art of the Deal”…

        He should affirm the separation of  ‘church and state’, and forgo the hand on the Bible thing… that’s a tradition, not a law.  And by doing so, he will be less of a hypocrite.  All good.

    3. hpierce

      Wrong again, BP… it will not be official until early January when the US House certifies the Electoral College results.  Similar to Yolo county where the ‘official’ results only became so after the canvass.

      And, will not say “President Trump” until he takes the oath of office.  He won’t be President until that happens.

      You can trump your chest on Jan 20, ~ noon. (ET)

  9. wdf1

    The result of an overzealous anti-immigration policy enforced by a police state:

    You Say You’re An American, But What If You Had To Prove It Or Be Deported?

    An NPR analysis of data obtained through a Freedom of Information Act Request shows that hundreds of American citizens each year find themselves in a situation similar to Palma’s. Those data show that from 2007 through July of last year, 693 U.S. citizens were held in local jails on federal detainers — in other words, at the request of immigration officials. And 818 more Americans were held in immigration detention centers during that same time frame, according to data obtained through a separate FOIA request by Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens and analyzed by NPR.

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