Police Killings Fire Up Sacramento Heat Early – 84 Arrests Monday Didn’t Cool Things Off

By Crescenzo Vellucci
Vanguard Sacramento Bureau

SACRAMENTO – It’s not summer here quite yet, but the hot seat is getting warm, at least for the Sacramento City Council and Sacramento Police Chief Daniel Hahn, as the reform-the-police uprising enters only its fifth full day Thursday since County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert announced she would not prosecute two officers who killed unarmed Stephon Clark.

Some of the highlights of the last couple days in a growing, ever moving movement for change, include:

  • Last Sunday, protestors occupied Arden Fair Mall overnight, and Sacramento’s largest mall was forced to close all day Sunday as dozens of demonstrators held an “educational” event to inform would-be shoppers how police shot Clark, who was in his grandparents’ backyard with only a cell phone.  (See our coverage).
  • Monday, an estimated 200 plus SPD, County Sheriff deputies and the CA Highway Patrol, backed by choppers, horses and bike cops, arrested 84 people after detaining reporters, clergy, legal observers, and reportedly even a person out for a walk at the end of a two-hour, peaceful protest through the “Fabulous 40’s” homes in East Sacramento.

News media were pushed with batons to the ground, participants threatened with “lethal and non-lethal” force for only standing in front of the Folsom Trader Joe’s. Eventually police trapped everyone, allowing them only one way to leave, and as they did that they were trapped and arrested.

SPD claimed there had been some cars “keyed” along the march route, but with about 150 or more bike and ground troops right behind about 150 marchers, and legal observers insisting they did see not any vandalism, most in the media questioned those claims. And even if they were true, why arrest 84 clergy, reporters and legal observers?

In protests all last year that closed down NBA Sacramento Kings games twice at Golden 1 Arena, and Interstate 5, and city streets at rush hour numerous times, there were only 14 arrests total.

One protest in the wealthy, influential part of Sacramento had 84 arrests. (see our coverage).

  • Protests since Monday have now spread to the SPD HQ on Freeport Blvd. Black Lives Matter said there will be, until further notice, vigils and protests at least three days every week. Blue Lives Matter flags were torched right in front of HQ main entrance. (See our coverage).
  • Sacramento Police Chief Hahn’s honeymoon with Sacramento’s communities of color is over. He punted this week when asked what happened regarding Monday’s arrests in the Fab 40’s. Hahn admitted that he wasn’t sure who was in charge, and why a large show of militarized police was necessary to arrest 84 people at a protest that was over when police attacked them. He couldn’t answer questions and said he’d need two weeks to find out what happened.
  • Protests will spread THURSDAY when students from Sacramento City College and area high schools stage a walkout, and march to the State Capitol to demand “police reform.” There’s a 10 a.m. event at the Capitol before the walkout to support AB 392.
  • And, Wednesday, a lawsuit was filed against the City for the death of another young Black man, Darrell Richards, a teenager – unarmed – shot and killed Sept. 6, 2018. Police said he had a toy gun, but lawyers for the family said he was empty-handed before being gunned down.

Finally, the Sacramento City Council on Tuesday devoted its entire meeting – that lasted nearly four hours, including disruptions – to the arrests in the Fab 40’s. In the end, the mayor and some councilmembers offered they would begin an investigation.

But that didn’t satisfy several hundred people inside and outside council chambers. Among the shots aimed at the entire city council:

“…We arrested peacekeepers (legal observers and clergy) who make sure this town is not set on fire. You know there was a mistake made…You have abdicated your duty…you need to do more….Shame…those are paid assassins, not cops.

“…We’re not cattle to be herded onto a bridge, bleeding, and then arrested…this is the darkest night the City has had to endure; we were zip tied behind our backs and treated like cattle…where is the accountability for what happened last night?

“…You’ve declared war on your citizens….you are allowing cops to beat us up….they were acting like Gestapo…we were trapped like Martin Luther King in Selma.

“…Steinberg (mayor Darrell) get out of your bed when you heard this happening. Enough is enough. Fire Hahn. What about Norm Leong (Capt.) and Howard Chan (city manager)?

“…(Police) pulled out batons on civilians; they were like NAZI…we were brutalized. This is clear redlining. We protest in Oak Park and this doesn’t happen…you were protecting the ‘whiteness’ of East Sacramento…

“…Our system failed the community….Injustice is trauma…you re-opened wounds….you care more about decorum than you do people dying at the hands of a hyper militarized (police)…why should people be peaceful next time? The city is going to burn..

“…I screamed they were hurting me (several people were hospitalized, and one woman’s foot was broken) and all the officer said was shut up…

“…We met for five weeks to discuss the aftermath of the DA decision…can’t believe Hahn didn’t know anything about it…this is going to be your (Steinberg) legacy….voices silenced by the Gestapo.

“…You proved me right last night…you spent millions in training to treat us like this…it ain’t over. Police serve bigots and white supremacy.

“…We’ve heard (excuses) before. At Nuremberg…The NAZI were inspired at how we treated Native Americans….find a single protestor who keyed a car.

“…War tactics were used in AmeriKKKa….why did they move on us when we were done? What reason do we have to be peaceful?”


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  1. Edgar Wai

    Thank you for post. I have problem with these descriptions:

    1. “how police shot Clark, who was in his grandparents’ backyard with only a cell phone.” It think this summary of the situation was misleading because the information you provided were information from hindsight. According to video footage, the officers did not know that Clark was holding a cell phone. They thought that Clark was holding a gun and it flashed. The officers thought that they were shot at. 

    2. “participants threatened with “lethal and non-lethal” force for only standing in front of the Folsom Trader Joe’s.” Your summary left out the part that the participants were standing on the roadway (not the parking lot). [Video]

    3. I don’t have a video of cars being keyed, but there is a video of a man wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap taken and surrounded (thus preventing him from retrieving the hat) by the participants. According to your principles, the police should arrest the person who took his hat and those who assisted by surrounding and grabbing the man.

    4. It was a fact that the participants blocked roadway together for more than an hour. After the police announced telling the participants to disperse, the reporter commented that about 1/3 of about 150 people had dispersed. While the remaining participants were deciding what to do and started moving, the reporter asked one of them whether they were heading home or just moving to a new location. That person said they were just moving to a new location, while some others suggested to go home and come back. Instead of dispersing, the participants continued to move as a group, continue shouting slogans until they reached a blockade at the 51st street overpass.

    5. On the question of whether the group was being herded. How did 1/3 of the participants leave? If the police did herd them, the police was not herding individual people but a group of participants that were still chanting slogans. It would appear that the group was still marching somewhere as an assembly.

    6. Could you point us to the footage of police beating people with baton? The reporter who got ziptied said that the police was courteous. He asked the police to put his phone in his pocket and they did that as the footage shown.

    I read AB392 and I don’t see a problem with it. But I have a problem with the way. From the way I read it, it still allows the police to make split second decisions. I have a problem with the protest and the way this article portrays the events. I suggest let’s just read the bill AB392 itself and discuss the bill.

  2. Edgar Wai

    7. “…We met for five weeks to discuss the aftermath of the DA decision…can’t believe Hahn didn’t know anything about it…this is going to be your (Steinberg) legacy….voices silenced by the Gestapo.”

    This seems to be what your police chief has been doing.

  3. Tia Will

    Edgar

    the officers did not know that Clark was holding a cell phone. They thought that Clark was holding a gun and it flashed. The officers thought that they were shot at. “

    In a society in which many people carry their cell phone with them virtually 24/7, I find it very disturbing that you find confusing a light colored case covered cell phone with a gun a reasonable excuse for a police shooting. Surely it must require more than a glint of light off a smooth surface to cause two officers to fire into someone’s body 20 times. If not, are we not all at risk? Or only those of us with relatively high melanin skin content? Do you suppose that a white resident of the Fab Forties where this protest occurred would have been shot 20 times for standing in his backyard with a cell phone?

     

    1. Bill Marshall

      Clarification… 20 shots were fired… 9 hit the body… 11 went elsewhere, and could have killed/injured others… I made the same mistake in previous postings…

      I tend to agree that criminal charges would not be sustainable in court… that said, I believe the officers involved should be immediately dismissed from employment (with prejudice, if there is an equivalent to “dishonorable discharge”), and never again be employed where they have a gun… at a minimum, for having discharged their weapons 20 times and hitting the “target” 9 times… but the failings of those officers FAR exceed that … they are a cancerous lesion on their department and the profession… generally, you excise such lesions, then use strong systemic medications to ensure there are no recurrences… but, I’m not a physician, so what do I know?

  4. Cres Vellucci

    I don’t spend time debating facts, but in the interest of clarity .

    1. You were not there. I was.

    2. People got out of the trap because they ran through yards and businesses, j umped fences and most because SPD was late in setting up the final barrier on Folsom.

    3. Some were on the street, most on sidewalks and leaving.

    4. Reporter said they were courteous handcuffing him. Read his full comments and that of others.

    5. People “moved as a group” as you said because it was the only way out…they couldn’t stay and police literally herded them that way.

    6. So police can use “lethal and nonlethal force” on peaceful protestors in an empty roadway? Under that thinking you can shoot someone with a cell phone.

    7.  Bee photographer knocked to the ground with baton – he was on the sidewalk obeying orders. Part of his camera broken. I was standing right next to him.

    8. Again, I was there. You were not. There was literally no place to go but to the bridge. Be careful when you view out of context video.

     

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    Vanguard  Clark Protest Update  3-5-19

    Police Killings Fire Up Sacramento Heat Early – 84 Arrests Monday Didn’t Cool Things Off

    By Crescenzo Vellucci
    Vanguard Sacramento Bureau

    SACRAMENTO – It’s not summer here quite yet, but the hot seat is getting warm, at least for Sacramento City Council, Sacramento Police Chief Daniel Hahn, as the reform-the-police uprising enters only its fifth full day Thursday since County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert announced she would not prosecute two officers who killed unarmed Stephon Clark.

    Some of the highlights of the last couple days in a growing, ever moving movement for change, include:

    ·       Last Sunday, protestors occupied Arden Fair Mall overnight, and Sacramento’s largest mall was forced to close all day Sunday as dozens of demonstrators held an “educational” event to inform would-be shoppers how police shot Clark, who was in his grandparents’ backyard with only a cell phone. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/stephon-clark-protestors-shut-down-mall-issue-wanted-poster-for-police-officers-who-killed-him/?fbclid=IwAR39Dx0xohe8CWWB6HFyeCmZvLjX_gmJRrM-s7e7zW5NN6ryEXeDMsWU1PA

    ·       Monday, an estimated 200 plus SPD, County Sheriff deputies and the CA Highway Patrol, backed by choppers, horses and bike cops, arrested 84 people after detaining reporters, clergy, legal observers, and reportedly even a person out for a walk at the end of a two-hour, peaceful protest through the “Fabulous 40’s” homes in East Sacramento.

    News media were pushed with batons to the ground, participants threatened with “lethal and non-lethal” force for only standing in front of the Folsom Trader Joe’s. Eventually police trapped everyone, allowing them only one way to leave, and as they did that they were trapped and arrested.

    SPD claimed there had been some cars “keyed” along the march route, but with about 150 or more bike and ground troops right behind about 150 marchers, and legal observers insisting they did not any vandalism, most in the media questioned those claims. And even if they were true why arrest 84 clergy, reporters and legal observers?

    In protests all last year that closed down NBA Sacramento Kings games twice at Golden 1 Arena, and Interstate 5, and city streets at rush hour numerous times, there were only 14 arrests total.
    One protest in the wealthy, influential part of Sacramento had 84 arrests. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/84-arrests-in-stephon-clark-protest-tuesday-night/?fbclid=IwAR2k2JY4BOlrdqe_zIW-hWw31AIlpkEyOJb7iYydVxRkCE7bXKnoe91zTGo

    ·       Protests since Monday have now spread to the SPD HQ on Freeports Blvd. Black Lives Matter said there will be, until further notice, vigils and protests at least three days every week. Blue Lives Matter flags were torched right in front of HQ main entrance. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/protestors-rally-blue-lives-matter-flags-torched-after-decision-to-not-charge-officers-who-killed-unarmed-sacramento-man/?fbclid=IwAR1LVCe6y1GYtZKnxoiJyk9gYK4J0n7meHImP68bNWoXMCtRm5jOAfzhn9I#comments

    ·       Sacramento Police Chief Hahn’s honeymoon with Sacramento’s communities of color is over. He punted this week when asked what happened regarding Monday’s arrests in the Fab 40’s. Hahn admitted that he wasn’t sure who was in charge, and why a large show of militarized police was necessary to arrest 84 people at a protest that was over when police attacked them. He couldn’t answer questions and said he’d need two weeks to find out what happened.

    ·       Protests will spread THURSDAY when students from Sacramento City College and area high schools stage a walkout, and march to the State Capitol to demand “police reform.”  There’s a 10 a.m. event at the Capitol before the walkout to support AB 392.

    ·       And, Wednesday, a lawsuit was filed against the City for the death of another young Black man, Darell Richards, a teenager – unarmed – shot and killed Sept. 6, 2018. Police said he had a toy gun, but lawyers for the family said he was empty-handed before being gunned down.

    Finally, at Sacramento City Council Tuesday devoted its entire meeting – that lasted nearly four hours, including disruptions – to the arrests in the Fab 40’s. In the end, the mayor and some councilmembers offered they would begin an investigation.

    But that didn’t satisfy several hundred people inside and outside council chambers. Among the shots aimed at the entire city council:

    “…We arrested peacekeepers (legal observers and clergy) who make sure this town is not set on fire. You know there was a mistake made…You have abdicated your duty…you need to do more….Shame…those are paid assassins, not cops.

    “…We’re not cattle to be herded onto a bridge, bleeding, and then arrested…this is the darkest night the City has had to endure; we were zip tied behind our backs and treated like cattle…where is the accountability for what happened last night?

    “…You’ve declared war on your citizens….you are allowing cops to beat us up….they were acting like Gestapo…we were trapped like Martin Luther King in Selma.

    “…Steinberg (mayor Darrell) get out of your bed when you heard this happening. Enough is enough. Fire Hahn. What about Norm Leong (Capt.) and Howard Chan (city manager)?

    “…(Police) pulled out batons on civilians; they were like NAZI…we were brutalized. This is clear redlining. We protest in Oak Park and this doesn’t happen…you were protecting the ‘whiteness’ of East Sacramento…

    “…Our system failed the community….Injustice is trauma…you re-opened wounds….you care more about decorum than you do people dying at the hands of a hyper militarized (police)…why should people be peaceful next time? The city is going to burn..

    “…I screamed they were hurting me (several people were hospitalized, and one woman’s foot was broken) and all the officer said was shut-up…

    “…We met for five weeks to discuss the aftermath of the DA decision…can’t believe Hahn didn’t know anything about it…this is going to be your (Steinberg) legacy….voices silenced by the Gestapo.

    “…You proved me right last night…you spent millions in training to treat us like this…it ain’t over. Police serve bigots and white supremacy.

    “…We’ve heard (excuses) before. At Nuremberg…The NAZI were inspired at how we treated Native Americans….find a single protestor who keyed a car.

    “…War tactics were used in AmeriKKKa….why did they move on us when we were done? What reason do we have to be peaceful?”

    END STORY
     

    1. Jim Hoch

      In the interest of further clarity note the edit below

       
      I don’t spend time debating facts, but in the interest of clarity .
      1. You were not there. I was.
      2. People got out of the trap because they ran through yards and businesses, j umped fences and most because SPD was late in setting up the final barrier on Folsom.
      3. Some were on the street, most on sidewalks and leaving.
      4. Reporter said they were courteous handcuffing him. Read his full comments and that of others.
      5. People “moved as a group” as you said because it was the only way out…they couldn’t stay and police literally herded them that way.
      6. So police can use “lethal and nonlethal force” on peaceful protestors in an empty roadway? Under that thinking you can shoot someone with a cell phone.
      7.  Bee photographer knocked to the ground with baton – he was on the sidewalk obeying orders. Part of his camera broken. I was standing right next to him.
      8. Again, I was there. You were not. There was literally no place to go but to the bridge. Be careful when you view out of context video.
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      Vanguard  Clark Protest Update  3-5-19
      Police Killings Fire Up Sacramento Heat Early – 84 Arrests Monday Didn’t Cool Things Off
      By Crescenzo Vellucci
      Vanguard Sacramento Bureau
      SACRAMENTO – It’s not summer here quite yet, but the hot seat is getting warm, at least for Sacramento City Council, Sacramento Police Chief Daniel Hahn, as the reform-the-police uprising enters only its fifth full day Thursday since County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert announced she would not prosecute two officers who killed unarmed Stephon Clark.
      Some of the highlights of the last couple days in a growing, ever moving movement for change, include:
      ·       Last Sunday, protestors occupied Arden Fair Mall overnight, and Sacramento’s largest mall was forced to close all day Sunday as dozens of demonstrators held an “educational” event to inform would-be shoppers how police shot Clark, who was in his grandparents’ backyard with only a cell phone. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/stephon-clark-protestors-shut-down-mall-issue-wanted-poster-for-police-officers-who-killed-him/?fbclid=IwAR39Dx0xohe8CWWB6HFyeCmZvLjX_gmJRrM-s7e7zW5NN6ryEXeDMsWU1PA
      ·       Monday, an estimated 200 plus SPD, County Sheriff deputies and the CA Highway Patrol, backed by choppers, horses and bike cops, arrested 84 people after detaining reporters, clergy, legal observers, and reportedly even a person out for a walk at the end of a two-hour, peaceful protest through the “Fabulous 40’s” homes in East Sacramento.
      News media were pushed with batons to the ground, participants threatened with “lethal and non-lethal” force for only standing in front of the Folsom Trader Joe’s. Eventually police trapped everyone, allowing them only one way to leave, and as they did that they were trapped and arrested.
      SPD claimed there had been some cars “keyed” along the march route, but with about 150 or more bike and ground troops right behind about 150 marchers, and legal observers insisting they did not any vandalism, most in the media questioned those claims. And even if they were true why arrest 84 clergy, reporters and legal observers?
      In protests all last year that closed down NBA Sacramento Kings games twice at Golden 1 Arena, and Interstate 5, and city streets at rush hour numerous times, there were only 14 arrests total.
      One protest in the wealthy, influential part of Sacramento had 84 arrests. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/84-arrests-in-stephon-clark-protest-tuesday-night/?fbclid=IwAR2k2JY4BOlrdqe_zIW-hWw31AIlpkEyOJb7iYydVxRkCE7bXKnoe91zTGo
      ·       Protests since Monday have now spread to the SPD HQ on Freeports Blvd. Black Lives Matter said there will be, until further notice, vigils and protests at least three days every week. Blue Lives Matter flags were torched right in front of HQ main entrance. https://www.davisvanguard.org/2019/03/protestors-rally-blue-lives-matter-flags-torched-after-decision-to-not-charge-officers-who-killed-unarmed-sacramento-man/?fbclid=IwAR1LVCe6y1GYtZKnxoiJyk9gYK4J0n7meHImP68bNWoXMCtRm5jOAfzhn9I#comments
      ·       Sacramento Police Chief Hahn’s honeymoon with Sacramento’s communities of color is over. He punted this week when asked what happened regarding Monday’s arrests in the Fab 40’s. Hahn admitted that he wasn’t sure who was in charge, and why a large show of militarized police was necessary to arrest 84 people at a protest that was over when police attacked them. He couldn’t answer questions and said he’d need two weeks to find out what happened.
      ·       Protests will spread THURSDAY when students from Sacramento City College and area high schools stage a walkout, and march to the State Capitol to demand “police reform.”  There’s a 10 a.m. event at the Capitol before the walkout to support AB 392.
      ·       And, Wednesday, a lawsuit was filed against the City for the death of another young Black man, Darell Richards, a teenager – unarmed – shot and killed Sept. 6, 2018. Police said he had a toy gun, but lawyers for the family said he was empty-handed before being gunned down.
      Finally, at Sacramento City Council Tuesday devoted its entire meeting – that lasted nearly four hours, including disruptions – to the arrests in the Fab 40’s. In the end, the mayor and some councilmembers offered they would begin an investigation.
      But that didn’t satisfy several hundred people inside and outside council chambers. Among the shots aimed at the entire city council:
      “…We arrested peacekeepers (legal observers and clergy) who make sure this town is not set on fire. You know there was a mistake made…You have abdicated your duty…you need to do more….Shame…those are paid assassins, not cops.
      “…We’re not cattle to be herded onto a bridge, bleeding, and then arrested…this is the darkest night the City has had to endure; we were zip tied behind our backs and treated like cattle…where is the accountability for what happened last night?
      “…You’ve declared war on your citizens….you are allowing cops to beat us up….they were acting like Gestapo…we were trapped like Martin Luther King in Selma.
      “…Steinberg (mayor Darrell) get out of your bed when you heard this happening. Enough is enough. Fire Hahn. What about Norm Leong (Capt.) and Howard Chan (city manager)?
      “…(Police) pulled out batons on civilians; they were like NAZI…we were brutalized. This is clear redlining. We protest in Oak Park and this doesn’t happen…you were protecting the ‘whiteness’ of East Sacramento…
      “…Our system failed the community….Injustice is trauma…you re-opened wounds….you care more about decorum than you do people dying at the hands of a hyper militarized (police)…why should people be peaceful next time? The city is going to burn..
      “…I screamed they were hurting me (several people were hospitalized, and one woman’s foot was broken) and all the officer said was shut-up
      “…We met for five weeks to discuss the aftermath of the DA decision…can’t believe Hahn didn’t know anything about it…this is going to be your (Steinberg) legacy….voices silenced by the Gestapo.
      “…You proved me right last night…you spent millions in training to treat us like this…it ain’t over. Police serve bigots and white supremacy.
      “…We’ve heard (excuses) before. At Nuremberg…The NAZI were inspired at how we treated Native Americans….find a single protestor who keyed a car.
      “…War tactics were used in AmeriKKKa….why did they move on us when we were done? What reason do we have to be peaceful?”

      1. Edgar Wai

        Also, from the video, it was not clear what people said to the police when they were still near Trader Joe’s. What happened when someone wanted to leave by going pass the police line? What did the the person say? What did the police say?

        Does it make sense that if the police were to order dispersal, they need to specify at least one route for the people to leave regardless whether that path is obvious?

        What it appeared was that when the police was making the disperse announcement, they expected the people to know that “we are getting you surrounded. Please leave while you can. By the time we get you surrounded we probably will arrest everyone still remaining.”

        I am not arguing whether the police should arrest anyone. But legally, after declaring that the assembly was unlawful, we’re they allowed to surround and arrest? In this case, it might appear that the police herded the group. But if the intent of the police was to arrest and had the legal ground to do so, then it wouldn’t matter. It was not like the police told the group to go toward the overpass saying that it was okay to go there as a group.

    2. Craig Ross

      Agree with Cres, if you weren’t there, you are not getting an accurate read of the situation.  And yet, you’re second-guessing someone who was there.  How much sense does that make?

      1. Edgar Wai

        It makes sense because if I tell you what I think, then you can correct me if I am wrong. If I don’t tell you what I think at all then we would be forming conclusions without understanding.

        I didn’t just believe the testimonies by the police. I needed to see the footage. I am doing the same to testimonies by protesters. I think it is fair.

        1. John Hobbs

          “It makes sense because if I tell you what I think, then you can correct me if I am wrong.”

          All indications to the contrary.

          “It makes sense because if I tell you what I think, then you can correct me if I am wrong.”

          Proof read your comments and you’ll see that you most certainly have.

          “But legally, after declaring that the assembly was unlawful, we’re they allowed to surround and arrest? In this case, it might appear that the police herded the group. But if the intent of the police was to arrest and had the legal ground to do so, then it wouldn’t matter. It was not like the police told the group to go toward the overpass saying that it was okay to go there as a group.”
          That is what logicians call “gobbledygook.”

           

    3. Edgar Wai

      Thank you Cres for clarification,

      Could you explain these:

      1. You said some left by going through businesses. What did you mean? Do you mean they went into a store and went out from a different door of that store?

      2. You said you jumped the fence. How high was the fence? What was on the other side of the fence?

      3. After jumping the fence, how did you remain there to observe?

  5. Alan Miller

    …why should people be peaceful next time? The city is going to burn..

    That’s not good.  I’m very impressed that a few keyed cars were the worst they can claim.  The challenge of nonviolence is that if anyone takes on the attitude above, all is focused on the small amount of violence.  Nonviolence takes strong leaders that get respect.  I pray that comes to be, because the result otherwise will be a small, contained urban war.

  6. Edgar Wai

    Who was the officer designated to talk to the protesters? Was there one? The individual officers forming the line probably can make any decision so in such situation there should a police representative talking to the representative of the protesters.

    Is this part of the protocol? Who was the mediator from the police on scene?

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