2020 Election: The Long Wait To Declare President

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By Sabrina Williams 

As the 2020 Election comes to end, the announcement of Joe Biden being the projected 46th president has been long-awaited.

During this election, and during a global pandemic, many people believed it would be safer to send in their ballot via mail, though some people were skeptical and still chose to vote in person. 

President Donald Trump stated his opinion on the mail ballots for the first time back in April. He wrote on his Twitter, “Get rid of ballot harvesting, it is rampant with fraud.”

Trump thought sending in ballots by mail would not be accurately accounted for and that they would “cheat” the voting process. Therefore he advised the public not to do it. The public responded to his outbursts that the votes by mail will give people the advantage of going against him. 

For example, like mailing by vote can be a safer way to vote, Trump would think of it going to favor Biden over him. Also, Trump making a rant about this causes questions on him feeling that he wasn’t going to win or that it will not be a fair election.  

Today, vice president, elect, Kamala Harris tweeted, “Donald Trump votes by mail, but doesn’t want you to. If it’s good enough for him, it’s good enough for us.” Harris explained that if voting by mail is the best way for Trump then it should be the best way for everybody.    

When election day came, mail-in ballots seemed overwhelmingly popular. This was the third-longest election that the U.S that have ever been. Trump seemingly had a negative attitude towards mail-in ballots and disregarded the fact that every vote counts.

The ballot counting, on election day, from various battleground states like Pennsylvania, Arizona and Nevada were coming in, and Trump felt like the mail-in ballots were in favor of Democrat Joe Biden, and even said Biden was “trying to steal the election.”

Trump stated, “Stop the Count,” and then continued to say, “It’s amazing how those mail-in ballots, therefore, are one-sided.”

Retired Navy Administrator Steve Abbot stated, “Officials at all levels including in the Congress need to say to the president ‘Sir, you need to exercise the same patience that the rest of the nation does.’” Furthermore, the Secretary of State of Michigan Jocelyn Benson stated that, “Bottom lines are president candidates don’t decide who wins an election the voters do.”

Looking back, this election was very important for people, not only because this gave them a voice, but this election also proved that our government still vouches for democracy and the democratic process. It goes to show how voting for this election made it important and the result may or may not please others but end the voter voices matter.  


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46 thoughts on “2020 Election: The Long Wait To Declare President”

  1. Keith Olsen

    There are over 500 affidavits signed where people say they witnessed election fraud and/or irregularities.  In one case the witness said they saw ballot counters opening mail in ballots to see who was voted for before deciding to “cure” the ballot or not.  This all needs to be settled before a winner can be determined.

      1. Bill Marshall

        Well, and most were likely untruths… hope they had to sign the affadavits under penalty of perjury… and, if false, should be fully prosecuted under the law…

        1. David Greenwald

          I found this: “Briefly listing the allegations on Hannity’s show, McDaniel said that a person in Wayne County, Michigan alleged that 60 percent of a batch of voter ballots had the same signature on them, that another affidavit claimed to have seen 35 ballots counted despite not being cast by registered voters, that 50 ballots were counted multiple times in a tabulation machine elsewhere, that one woman’s dead son somehow voted in one election and that Democrats handed out documents on how to distract Republican vote challengers.”

          Most of this stuff is commical. In Michigan, the gap is 160,000, you would have to find something massive and you’re not going to get that kind of volume at a polling place.

        2. Keith Olsen

          hope they had to sign the affadavits under penalty of perjury… 

          Affidavit

          From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          An affidavit (/ˌæfɪˈdeɪvɪt/ (listenAF-i-DAY-vitMedieval Latin for he has declared under oath) is a written statement of fact voluntarily made by an affiant or deponent under an oath or affirmation which is administered by a person who is authorized to do so by law. Such a statement is witnessed as to the authenticity of the affiant’s signature by a taker of oaths, such as a notary public or commissioner of oaths. An affidavit is a type of verified statement or showing, or in other words, it contains a verification, which means that it is made under oath or penalty of perjury, and this serves as evidence for its veracity and is required in court proceedings.

        3. Bill Marshall

          Yet, the ‘person’ is not named, and it is verbal (hearsay)… the affidavit (if any) should have been signed, and, a matter of public record… released by those news sources spouting the drivel… else, it’s throwing spaghetti… week old spaghetti… growing rancid, and little orange hairs…

           

    1. Richard McCann

      he affidavit (if any) should have been signed, and, a matter of public record

      Please provide the evidence that these affidavits have been filed with the appropriate enforcement agency, and copies of those for review. If you (or Hannity) can’t do this, then this is just so much more BS.

      1. David Greenwald

        It’s pretty crazy just how weak the claims are, Keith wants to investigate claims that can’t possibly be accurate and can’t possibly change the outcome. Why?

        1. Keith Olsen

          Why don’t we let the claims play out and take us wherever it goes?

          If they are meritless then you have nothing to worry about.

          I find it funny though that those that spent four years convinced that there was election interference are now saying there’s no way the election could be rigged.

          1. David Greenwald

            Because on the surface most appear to have zero merit. The election wasn’t *that* close. You should really read about the 1948 Senate race where LBJ stole the election. It’s beautifully chronicled by Robert Caro in his biography. That’s what it takes to actually change the outcome of an election – and that race was much closer to begin with. This is like 10 to 156 thousand votes in five different states. And no one seems to point out that the results were actually far closer than the outcome, so the polling showed Biden should have won more easily and yet when he won narrowly, it was because of fraud? And the specific claims make little sense and most of them have been quickly debunked. Some of the suits he has filed are literally laughable. Which is why they got tossed so quickly.

          1. David Greenwald

            I’m not worried about that. I worry about people like you that should know better and many people who don’t know better buying into it. Our democracy is not out of the woods just yet.

        2. Keith Olsen

          Oh you mean like the people on the left that bought into the Russian Collusion hoax, the fake Russian Dossier and the sham impeachment proceedings?  Is out democracy out of the woods after those lies were heaped on the American people?

          1. David Greenwald

            Here’s an example of how hokey this is – they filed this against Michigan (forget that the gap is huge in Michigan – 160,000 votes). But they filed this lawsuit challenging the counting of votes in Wayne County not just in a federal district court in Michigan, but in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in D.C. — which has *no jurisdiction* in such cases. That court only hears monetary claims against the federal government. It has no jurisdiction at all in this case.

            https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/01513934840.pdf

          2. David Greenwald

            It’s almost like they are inventing stuff to keep this myth alive in the eyes of their supporters.

        3. Richard McCann

          “Just letting it plays out” means that Trump delays conceding and hinders the transition process. Keith O, you’re just being part of the hidden real reason for these outrageous false inconsequential claims–to cripple the new administration. The Obama Administration did NONE of this. Playing dirty just further undermines the trust needed for our democracy and pushes us towards authoritarianism. Keith, do you support authoritarian rule?

        4. Richard McCann

          Keith O

          At least 7 people were convicted in the case of the Russian intervention in the 2016 election. Are you saying that our justice system is so badly flawed that we should make significant changes to rectify these types of injustices? That would be good because that’s that Black Lives Matter is advocating.

          https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/breakdown-indictments-cases-muellers-probe/story?id=61219489

          Trump admitted that he called and pressured the Ukrainian president to reopen the investigation of Hunter Biden. It’s not “lying” to judge that such pressure is at least unethical and even rises to the level of being a “high crime”. All of the facts were agreed to–it was entirely about political judgement.

          Please correctly characterize your statements as to whether they relate to facts or to opinion. Your opinion is not a “fact.”

           

  2. John Hobbs

    To punish those who voted him out Trump endangers the security of the nation and the world by delaying essential transition funding to the new president and his administration. Those who blindly support this traitor out of stupidity, hate or both (those are the only options, folks) are a bigger threat.

     

  3. John Hobbs

    “Oh you mean like the people on the left that bought into the Russian Collusion hoax, the fake Russian Dossier and the sham impeachment proceedings?”

    Keith, since you are either unwilling, incapable or both of stopping the endless repetition of your lies, Don and David should.

    Trump was impeached, his minions have been convicted in the Russian collusion case and ios mendacity is obvious to any but the blind and invested. You need to go away, lick your wounds and let the rest of us get on with repairing the democratic your false Messiah has so ravaged..

  4. David Greenwald

     

    This is how bad the conspiracy stuff is.  This is a Congressional candidate tweeting this.  I assume these are district numbers, are people really unaware completely that during the pandemic a lot of people voted by mail?  This is somehow a conspiracy.

        1. Alan Miller

          Many political claims on both sides are specious.  Taking advantage of stupid people (or people who just don’t have the time or care to devote their time to deep diving in politics) is what American politics is all about.

  5. Keith Olsen

    Absentee ballots are typically rejected at a rate of 1% to 2%.  The presidential primaries saw a rate of up to 25% rejection after mass vote-by-mail was adopted earlier this year.
    Early reports are showing a rejection rate for mail in ballots in the presidential election that is lower than in 2016.   Perhaps much lower, a fraction of a percent, up to to 30 times lower absentee ballot rejections.  And with many millions more mail in ballots this year with also many millions voting by mail for the first time one would expect the rejection rate to go up, not way down.

    Why is that?  Less scrutiny, less signature verification, pushing through invalid ballots?

    Here’s where hundreds of thousands to millions of votes could be considered to be invalid.

     

    1. David Greenwald

      “Why is that? Less scrutiny, less signature verification, pushing through invalid ballots?”

      Or the opposite.

      From the NY Times (before the election): https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/02/us/election-ballots-rejections.html

      “Election officials also say many voters appear more motivated to cast ballots this year, and more attentive to instructions on mail voting that have flooded newspapers, television and the internet. Changes in the design of ballots also have been a factor: On the advice of experts, for example, election officials in Rochester Hills, Mich., made the spot on ballots where voters are supposed to enter contact information easier to find. More are now doing that, making it easier to notify voters of problems with their ballots.

      “It is not only voters who are more aware of the potential pitfalls in voting by mail. Voting officials also have come to recognize that a high rejection rate could have real-world consequences in a close election.”

      There are also better ways to cure problems. So I voted by mail for the first time other than the two or three VMB only elections and was a little nervous because my signature has gradually changed over the years. But you can log onto the Secretary of State page and check your ballot status and if there is a problem, you can cure it. Some people actually got text messages to inform them that their ballot was received and will count. All of that probably helped to bring down the rejection rate without the need for grand conspiracies. But hey, let’s throw more crap against the wall and see if something will stick.

      1. Keith Olsen

        Up to 30 times lower absentee rejections?  Puhlease….

        Some jurisdictions didn’t even verify the signatures on the ballots.  So what safeguards were in place to certify those ballots?

        So between the primaries and the general election the mail in voters really got much smarter? ….LMAO

        1. David Greenwald

          “So between the primaries and the general election the mail in voters really got much smarter?”

          Yes, I think they did. They had a lot more time to prepare and adopt better practices.

          “On the advice of experts, for example, election officials in Rochester Hills, Mich., made the spot on ballots where voters are supposed to enter contact information easier to find. More are now doing that, making it easier to notify voters of problems with their ballots.”

          Be interesting to see how many counties / states had these features incoroporated. And if that impacted rejection rates. But of course that is data to analysis, not idle speculation.

          One of the things I did was a county-by-county comparison between 2016 and 2020. The big take away is that a lot of the places where Biden made up the gap were in red counties – that means Republican election officials. Georgia for example has a Republican secretary state. And you really don’t see a difference between red and blue counties in terms of change from 2016 to 2020. SO if you are going to argue that these things played a role in the outcome, I’m just not seeing it when I look at county by county results, nothing is really standing out.

          At this point, all you have is speculation, not evidence. Evidence is something that you can introduce into court and will cause the court to throw out ballots. Nothing that has been filed by the Trump campaign has risen to that level.

        2. Keith Olsen

          Yes, I think they did. They had a lot more time to prepare and adopt better practices.

          I think it’s more of a case that ballot counters decided to look the other way.

          1. David Greenwald

            Even the Republicans? It’s all speculation by you and Trump. No real evidence. Grasping at straws. I have presented a lot of data here that you simply gloss over and ignore because it shows that anything that happened would have had to have been in red and blue areas.

            They have all sorts of systems set up that they never had before to catch errors. I would argue that this probably one of the better election efforts I have seen on that level. Much sophisticated about making sure more ballots were counted and much better ways to catch error in advance.

        3. Keith Olsen

          Well David, I disagree.  We can agree to disagree.  But unlike another commenter on here I won’t say to you “bald faced bullsh*t, the evidence points to the contrary. Your insistence on propagating these baseless rumors amounts to criminal incitement.”

          So much for an open and welcoming format for discourse on the Vanguard when comments like that are allowed to remain posted.

        4. Mark West

          K.O. “I think it’s more of a case that ballot counters decided to look the other way.”

          So you are accusing election officials of dishonesty in their jobs, without a shred of evidence? That is not a simple statement of opinion, that is defamation.

           

  6. John Hobbs

    “I think it’s more of a case that ballot counters decided to look the other way.”

    Really, all those ballot counters conspired to steal the election?

    Like all of your other bald faced bullsh*t, the evidence points to the contrary. Your insistence on propagating these baseless rumors amounts to criminal incitement and the Vanguard should stop facilitating your campaign of hate.

  7. John Hobbs

    “Or absence of it.”

    Let see,I have not supported or spread lies for a malignant autocrat who has separated children from their families, never to be reunited, overlooked a bounty on American troops by an enemy power, conspired with family to use the power of the presidency to enrich myself, or exposed and infected dozens of secret service agents with CV19, so I’ll let you stand by your bullsh*t claims and spout about “character.” You and your ilk lost any claim to moral high ground when you got in bed with Trump.

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