Guest Commentary: Remarks on the One-year Anniversary of the January 6, 2021, Attempted Insurrection at the United States Capitol 

Submitted by Alan Hirsh

The riot of  1/6/21 to block certifying the election is existential for our county and democracy.  If we can’t believe we can hold free and fair elections, its game over.

So there is not a non-partisan “both sides” position on this … to take a “both sides” stance it is to say, contra to courts and thousands of local election officials and even a GOP audit, that you believe the Trump “stop the steal” position has validity.

Remarks from Thursday by Supervisor Don Saylor:

There are days stamped so deeply into our national consciousness that we need only mention them and a flood of emotion and memories are conjured. December 7, 1941, November 22, 1963, September 11, 2001. These days loom far larger than numbers on a calendar page.

Sadly, January 6, 2021, is now one of those dates.  This day must live on in history.  It is not simply a number on a page or a leaf on a tree.

It was a day when a mass of insurrectionists defiled the altar of our democracy. A phrase I think of often in these times is from the Federalist Papers: “A BAD CAUSE SELDOM FAILS TO REVEAL ITSELF.”

They came to a place I walked with my children to share with my children the monuments to the great moments in our nation’s trajectory. I always walk with reverence in that place.

They came with hatchets, clubs, bear spray, tasers, guns, pikes and makeshift weapons. They came with a gallows and a hangman’s noose. Many appeared disorganized, moved by the moment and the mob mentality—though they all had been summoned. But far too many were fully equipped with tactical gear and acted with chilling and deliberate military precision.

People died.  Many others at the site were injured. All those present, indeed all the nation and the world, were traumatized by the events of January 6, 2021.

All the while, the occupant of the White House sat watching as those he summoned laid waste to the people’s house.  Desecrated it just as he had ripped the institutions of our democracy for four years. He and his sycophants and sponsors watched as the clockworks they set in motion played out to disrupt the ministerial counting of the election he had soundly lost.

A BAD CAUSE SELDOM FAILS TO BETRAY ITSELF.

We remember those images of people scaling the walls of that magnificent monument to our democracy.  We remember the windows breaking and we remember the thugs chasing police officers through the halls, ransacking the offices assigned to the representatives of the people. We remember them milling about with blood lust in their eyes amidst the statues of the great figures of our nation’s history. I recall my visits to Statuary Hall, savoring each minute and reflecting on the contributions of so many over the past 245 years and more.

We must remember…

… and we must act.

The Senate must pass the Freedom to Vote Act to make sure we the people have access to elections.  We cannot let this day be written into history as just one step along the way to the loss of this great American experiment.

We must refresh the fundamental principle of our founding documents that no person is above the law.  We must support and implore the Senate to pass the Protecting our Democracy Act.

And not just for some of us but for all of us.  A chief lesson of history is that we don’t learn from the lessons of history. We must implore the Senate to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act to stop the present slipping back to a time when people of color are denied the right to vote by a set of nefarious schemes.

History is not a disconnected series of random events. Each leaf on each branch of the tree is a part of a greater whole.

We do not yet know the full story of January 6, 2021, because we the people are still writing it. Let us remember that day and let us act to make that day only a cautionary memory.

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  1. Keith Olson

    There are days stamped so deeply into our national consciousness that we need only mention them and a flood of emotion and memories are conjured. December 7, 1941, November 22, 1963, September 11, 2001. These days loom far larger than numbers on a calendar page.

    There’s no comparison whatsoever between December 7, 1941, November 22, 1963, September 11, 2001and January 6, 2021.  Democrats want to try to make it so for political gains, but it’s all theater.

    They came to a place I walked with my children to share with my children the monuments to the great moments in our nation’s trajectory. I always walk with reverence in that place.

    So did BLM and Antifa when they desecrated many of those monuments and burned an historic church during the riots of 2020.

    They came with hatchets, clubs, bear spray, tasers, guns, pikes and makeshift weapons. 

    With the biggest manhunt ever instituted by the FBI as far as I know there was only one pistol found to have been present at the Jan. 6 protest.  The only person who was shot and killed by a gun was a female protester by White House security.  Some insurrection that was.

    We must remember…
    … and we must act.
    The Senate must pass the Freedom to Vote Act

    And here’s the crux of why the Democrats are pushing the insurrection lie.

    We do not yet know the full story of January 6, 2021, because we the people are still writing it.

    Yes, and much of what is being written is fiction.

     

     

     

    1. Don Shor

      There’s no comparison whatsoever between December 7, 1941, November 22, 1963, September 11, 2001and January 6, 2021.

      This was an attempt, furthered by officials around Donald Trump, to block the peaceful transfer of power after a fair and fully certified election. That is a constitutional crisis.

      With the biggest manhunt ever instituted by the FBI as far as I know there was only one pistol found to have been present at the Jan. 6 protest.  The only person who was shot and killed by a gun was a female protester by White House security.  Some insurrection that was.

      Don Saylor’s comment is accurate.

      According to a database compiled by NPR, of the people charged with violent offenses, including assault on police officers, 15 were armed with deadly or dangerous weapons during the riot at the Capitol.
      Eight others facing civil disorder or property destruction charges also were charged with possessing weapons, according to the database.
      Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.
      Thomas Webster, a retired New York Police Department officer, was charged with attacking a Metropolitan Police Department officer with a metal flagpole. The federal complaint says he struck at the officer “with the flagpole numerous times.”
      Before and after the storming of the Capitol, NBC News reported, police seized a dozen firearms, including an assault rifle, and thousands of rounds of ammunition from seven people attending the rally for President Donald Trump in Washington, D.C. Other weapons included a crossbow, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails.
      — links here: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/03/capitol-protesters-were-armed-with-variety-of-weapons/

      the insurrection lie.

      The behavior of this mob and those around the former president certainly meets the definition of insurrection.

      1. Keith Olson

        Those weapons included baseball bats, chemical sprays, a captured police officer’s riot shield, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and a metal flagpole.

        Baseball bats, sprays, shields, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and flagpoles, on my…

        Like I say, some insurrection that was.  LOL

        “An analysis by Real Clear Investigations reveals that the BLM and Antifa related riots across all of America in 2020 caused 1,300 times as much damage as the violence at the U.S. Capitol a year ago.

        Yet the attention given to each scenario is widely different – in the opposite direction.”

        https://dailyangle.com/articles/blm-riots-caused-1-300-times-as-much-damage-as-jan-6-violence-analysis

        1. Bill Marshall

          insurrection, definition – Bing

          Yeah, it meets the definitional criteria for “insurrection”…

          The comparisons between the violent protest elsewhere, and disrupting the very nature of government/political process is a false equivalency… like comparing apples to aardvarks… plus, the instigator was clearly the then-President of the United States.

          Fits more a coup d’etat attempt, than a ‘protest’, ‘rally’, or ‘demonstration’.

           

        2. Keith Olson

          insurrection
          noun [ C or U ]

          US  

           /ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK  

           /ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/

           

          an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence
          https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/insurrection

          No matter how biased one might be it stretches all credulity to believe that the Jan 6 protesters were trying to take control of their country armed with baseball bats, sprays, shields, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and flagpoles.  So no, it wasn’t an insurrection.

          1. Don Shor

            No matter how biased one might be it stretches credulity to believe that the Jan 6 protesters were trying to take control of their country armed with baseball bats, sprays, shields, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and flagpoles.

            What were they trying to do, Keith?

        3. Keith Olson

          They were trying to take over the government and hold onto control and were going to beat back any counter attack with their baseball bats, fire extinguishers and flagpoles.

          Does everyone get how stupid that sounds?

          But I get it, I’m willing to at least admit that if a leftist group had done the same thing I too would be hollering “insurrection” for political gain and purposes.

          1. Don Shor

            They were trying to take over the government and hold onto control and were going to beat back any counter attack with their baseball bats, fire extinguishers and flagpoles.

            Does everyone get how stupid that sounds?

            They were trying to prevent certification of the election results and prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the elected president. Do you acknowledge that?

        4. Chris Griffith

          Baseball bats, sprays, shields, a crowbar, fire extinguishers and flagpoles, on my…

          Like I say, some insurrection that was.
          Don’t forget the empty bottles of Viagra those can be used as projectiles

           

           

           

  2. Bill Marshall

    But I get it, I’m willing to at least admit that if a leftist group had done the same thing I too would be hollering “insurrection” for political gain and purposes.

    I acknowledge that the term “insurrection”, used by some for political purposes, is a bit of hyperbole… yet you admit you would do the same… so, is it appropriate in both cases, or inappropriate in both?  Think.

    I prefer the terms “criminal acts, brought on by political fever, and agitation by the President of the United States” (can you really deny that?), or “attempted coup d’etat”… disruption of a legal process to achieve a different result, and retain power… fact is, the former president claims he had “won in a landslide”, that the election “was stolen”… those are flat out lies… even Biden supporters have not claimed “a landslide victory”.

  3. Ron Glick

    “Does everyone get how stupid that sounds?”

    Yes it was stupid of them for rioting in the Capitol and of Trump for sending them. Many have admitted as much at sentencing. Dan Quayle told Mike Pence to get real when asked about Trump’s coup attempt. Still it was a coup attempt and people were injured and died as a result including many police officers. A stupid one but a coup attempt nonetheless.

    The biggest, most overlooked thing that gave me confidence was the open letter, signed by all the living former Secretaries of Defense, that came out shortly before the riot. It essentially amounted to a stand down order to the military if they were given orders by the acting SecDef to participate in a coup. Without military participation it is difficult to stage a coup.

  4. Alan Hirsch

    1) Why did not Trump, (he was in office 4 years…buck stops here),  begin an investigation of supposed Antifa to uncovering a movement and its leaders,  did anything as organized an a “militia” existed? I may have  missed it but never seen name of any leaders of that group…or more than handful of politicans ever making even more than one comment to stoking them by name or at an event…  Not even to call them out by name to “stand down ….but stand by)” as Trump did the Proud Boys.

    2) I believe the  left were unsupportive of violence and those who you violenced as tactic…and certainly left hate guns unlike right and its leaders proud flourishing th;em.   See this very critical article in on of the left’s flag ship publication the New Yorker as indication of this: Antifa: an intimate history https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-intimate-history-of-antifa

    4) Where is evidence antafa was false flag behind 1/6 as alleged by Yolo county gop.

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    3) Is a flag I saw  in Woodland is a sign of  what’s ahead from even local Trump supporters?

           Trump 2024: The Revenge Tour 

    Clearly this captures a sense by many on right that

    a) They are true victims

    b) “big lie” that election was stolen is really true….and revenge is best way to frame the solution in the 2024 election contest.

    c) Related coorolate to idea the election was stolen is holding a belief in  “great replacement theory” of whites American’s  with immigrants, And the idea the “great replacement”  is a plan by the Democrats (and Soros/) endorse by Fox’s Trucker Carlson and other on the right including ma many GOP leaders.

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    I am quite interested in reaction to my points a to c by others, especially those who think progressives are over-wraught re: 1/6/21 riot.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  5. Alan Hirsch

    1) Why did not Trump, (he was in office 4 years…buck stops here),  begin an investigation of supposed Antifa to uncovering a movement and its leaders,  did anything as organized an a “militia” existed? I may have  missed it but never seen name of any leaders of that group…or more than handful of politicans ever making even more than one comment to stoking them by name or at an event…  Not even to call them out by name to “stand down ….but stand by)” as Trump did the Proud Boys.

    2) I believe the  left were unsupportive of violence and those who you violenced as tactic…and certainly left hate guns unlike right and its leaders proud flourishing th;em.   See this very critical article in on of the left’s flag ship publication the New Yorker as indication of this: Antifa: an intimate history https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-intimate-history-of-antifa

    4) Where is evidence antafa was false flag behind 1/6 as alleged by Yolo county gop.

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    3) Is a flag I saw  in Woodland is a sign of  what’s ahead from even local Trump supporters?

           Trump 2024: The Revenge Tour 

    Clearly this captures a sense by many on right that

    a) They are true victims

    b) “big lie” that election was stolen is really true….and revenge is best way to frame the solution in the 2024 election contest.

    c) Related coorolate to idea the election was stolen is holding a belief in  “great replacement theory” of white Americans with immigrants who will be quickly given the vote… And the idea the “great replacement”  is a plan by the Democrats (and Soros/) endorse by Fox’s Trucker Carlson and other on the right including ma many GOP leaders.

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    I am quite interested in reaction to my points a to c by others, especially those who think progressives are over-wraught re: 1/6/21 riot.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    1. Alan Miller

      I am quite interested in reaction to my points a to c by others,

      Even Alan Miller?

      especially those who think progressives are over-wraught re: 1/6/21 riot.

      I don’t know what that means.

      a) They are true victims

      Everyone is a victim nowadays.  It’s a badge of honor, and perversely a means of power.

      b) “big lie” that election was stolen is really true….

      Stolen?  Doubt it.  A little messed up?  Probably.  No one on either side will ever trust election results again and assume the other side ‘did it’ in a close election?  Our future.

      and revenge is best way to frame the solution in the 2024 election contest.

      Revenge is not the ‘best way to frame the solution’, whatever that means.  Sounds more like a Trumpism for humor and political identity.

      c) Related coorolate

      Huh?

      to idea the election was stolen is holding a belief in  “great replacement theory” of white Americans with immigrants who will be quickly given the vote…

      Was there a question there it that?

      And the idea the “great replacement”  is a plan by the Democrats (and Soros/) endorse by Fox’s Trucker Carlson and other on the right including ma many GOP leaders.

      I don’t know what the question was or what that twisted conspiracy(?) train of thought was . . . so no comment, or all comments . . .

       

  6. Keith Olson

    More proof that Jan 6 was not an insurrection:

    Reuters reports:

    The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

    “Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases,” said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. “Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.”

    This report is a devastating blow to President Joe Biden and Democrats, who have attempted to make the existence of an “insurrection” on Jan. 6 a key issue in the 2022 midterm elections. Reuters does note that some “cells of protesters,” including members of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, did coordinate to “break into the Capitol,” but the FBI found “no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-confirms-there-was-no-insurrection-on-jan-6/ar-AANxOuQ

    1. Bill Marshall

      As you quoted,

      Reuters does note that some “cells of protesters,” including members of the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, did coordinate to “break into the Capitol,” 

      Now, let’s cut to the chase… was the break in unlawful and/or criminal?  You’ve already conceded it was ‘coordinated’ (aka ‘organized’)… who encouraged it, and did nothing while it was happening, and was watching it on TV?

      Was that ‘organized crime’ or not?

      QED

  7. Keith Olson

    What?  Were Democrat talking points issued?

    From the article:

    There are days stamped so deeply into our national consciousness that we need only mention them and a flood of emotion and memories are conjured. December 7, 1941, November 22, 1963, September 11, 2001. These days loom far larger than numbers on a calendar page.
    Sadly, January 6, 2021, is now one of those dates.  This day must live on in history.  It is not simply a number on a page or a leaf on a tree.

    Kamala Harris:

    “Certain dates echo throughout history, including dates that instantly remind all who have lived through them where they were, and what they were doing when our democracy came under assault”
    “Dates that occupy not only a place on our calendars, but a place in our collective memory: December 7, 1941, September 11, 2001, and January 6, 2021”
    https://nypost.com/2022/01/06/kamala-harris-slammed-for-comparing-jan-6-riot-to-9-11-and-pearl-harbor/

     

  8. Ron Glick

    Yesterday I came across this snippet on real coups from an article by Matt Taibbi where he takes down Dick Cheney:

    No one from a country where these things actually happen could mistake 1/6 for “a coup .” In the real version, the mob doesn’t take selfies and blaze doobies after seizing the palace, and the would-be dictator doesn’t spend 187 minutes snacking and watching Fox before tweeting “go home.” Instead, he works the phones nonstop to rally precinct chiefs, generals, and airport officials to the cause, because a coup is a real attempt to seize power. Britannica says the “chief prerequisite for a coup is control of all or part of the armed forces, the police, and other military elements.”

    Like I said yesterday successful coups require support from the military and the SecDefs open letter was a pre-emptive strike against that happening.

  9. David Greenwald

    I think this debate has been a bit misplaced.

    Start with the goal here – it was not to militarily overthrow the government, but rather use threats and force and intimidation to convince the congressional leaders to overturn the results of the presidential election.

    That’s what they were trying to do.

    So now, what do you call that?  What do you call overturning the results of a democratic election?

      1. Keith Olson

        It wasn’t a coup attempt or an insurrection.  I can agree with the keystone cop analogy.

        You guys keep projecting but I doubt it changes anything because the only people who agree with you are already in your camp.

        As I said, it’s all political theater.  So much so that Pelosi called for the theatrics of the cast of Hamilton to perform during the Democrat Jan 6 anniversary event of the protest.

        1. Mark West

          “It wasn’t a coup attempt or an insurrection.  I can agree with the keystone cop analogy.”

          The fact that the perpetrators were inept does not negate or change the fact that the attempt was made.

      1. Alan Miller

        The real constitutional crisis is people losing faith in the integrity of voting procedures.  If we were 60-40, it wouldn’t matter, but at 50-50, we all have to believe the system isn’t being f*cked with.  This goes for right & left — I was DT saying the election was stolen last time, HC her complaints the time before.  With all the politics surrounding this now, I only see this getting worse.

          1. Don Shor

            I’m sure if you both think really hard, you’ll see a major difference between Al Gore and Hilary Clinton on the one hand, and Donald Trump on the other, with respect to their election outcomes.

        1. Bill Marshall

          And don’t forget the hanging chads.

          How can we?  A Republican Florida thingy… Bush won with less than a majority of the popular vote, nation-wide… you forgot to mention the ‘pregnant chads’… you also forgot to mention how the Courts either supported, or declined to weigh in on the controversy there… most with Republican and/or ‘conservative’ justices… Even tho’ Al was gored, HE did not claim the election was ‘stolen’, nor did HE try to foment an “incident” (I’ll cut you a LOT of slack there… undeserved, but there it is) to try to disqualify electors from the electoral college.

          Someone else did, with no excuses about ‘hanging chads’… and turned down every time went to Court… in 2020.

          In Yolo County, the voting equipment was banned, even though it was a ‘guillotine’ device… no possibility of a ‘hanging chad’… now we have to use ‘magic markers’/pens

          I suggest you work in a polling place, learn/watch about the real election world, before you snipe, like you have.

        2. Keith Olson

          I’m sure if you both think really hard

          I’m not sure if I’m capable of that.

          But if you think really hard you might see a problem with an outgoing administration using a phony dossier paid for by the incoming president’s opponent to get the FBI to spy on him.  Talk about a constitutional crisis.

           

          1. Don Shor

            Al Gore, December 2000:

            Just moments ago, I spoke with George W. Bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the United States, and I promised him that I wouldn’t call him back this time.
            I offered to meet with him as soon as possible so that we can start to heal the divisions of the campaign and the contest through which we just passed.
            Almost a century and a half ago, Sen. Stephen Douglas told Abraham Lincoln, who had just defeated him for the presidency, “Partisan feeling must yield to patriotism. I’m with you, Mr. President, and God bless you.”
            Well, in that same spirit, I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside, and may God bless his stewardship of this country.
            Neither he nor I anticipated this long and difficult road. Certainly neither of us wanted it to happen. Yet it came, and now it has ended, resolved, as it must be resolved, through the honored institutions of our democracy.
            Over the library of one of our great law schools is inscribed the motto, “Not under man but under God and law.” That’s the ruling principle of American freedom, the source of our democratic liberties. I’ve tried to make it my guide throughout this contest as it has guided America’s deliberations of all the complex issues of the past five weeks.
            Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court’s decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.

            Hilary Clinton, November 2016:

            Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I’m sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country.
            But I feel pride and gratitude for this wonderful campaign that we built together, this vast, diverse, creative, unruly, energized campaign. You represent the best of America and being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life.
            I know how disappointed you feel because I feel it too, and so do tens of millions of Americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This is painful and it will be for a long time, but I want you to remember this. Our campaign was never about one person or even one election, it was about the country we love and about building an America that’s hopeful, inclusive and big-hearted.
            We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
            Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it. It also enshrines other things; the rule of law, the principle that we are all equal in rights and dignity, freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these values too and we must defend them.

        3. Ron Glick

          I call what Bush did in 2000 stealing an election. It showed it could be done.  Bush 43 paved the way. I do find it laughable that all these Bush people like David Frum and Nicole Wallace and even Dick Cheney are now lamenting the threat to the Republic posed by Trump’s election shenanigans. Where were they back then? Were they rioting at the vote counting office down in Dade County with John Bolton?

        4. Ron Glick

          I checked. Bolton wasn’t in Dade he was in Tallahassee where he famously said “I’m with the Bush-Cheney team and I’m here to stop the count.” Roger Stone was down in Dade along with Matt Sclapp.

          The Republicans have only won the popular vote once since 1992 and that was the one after 9-11. Is it then any wonder why they want to rig the game?

        5. Alan Miller

          ’m sure if you both think really hard, you’ll see a major difference between Al Gore and Hilary Clinton on the one hand, and Donald Trump on the other, with respect to their election outcomes.

          thinking hard . . . yup, nope.  Unless you count ones perspective and how right they are sure they are.

        6. Keith Olson

          Hilary Clinton:

          There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level.  We still don’t know what really happened.
          There’s just a lot that I think will be revealed. History will discover. But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here’

  10. Bill Marshall

     But you don’t win by 3 million votes and have all this other shenanigans and stuff going on and not come away with an idea like, ‘Whoa, something’s not right here’

    Are you asserting that Biden lost in a “landslide” (as the other candidate has oft asserted) of the popular vote in what should have been a ‘fair’ election?  If not, je ne comprends pas your point, Keith O….

  11. Bill Marshall

    The country looks pretty red to me:

    Happens when you look through rose-colored glasses… given current voting trends in states, and given that electors are disproportionately (based on population) favoring those ‘red’ states (ex.: # of electors from WY/population vs. CA), and Biden still won, your posit is fascinating.

  12. Ron Glick

    “Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases,” said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. “Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized.”

    But as you would say about those entering the country illegally what part of illegal don’t you get? If crimes were committed shouldn’t the perps face justice? You are all about law and order until its by people you are down with. So much for you supporting the cops.

    1. Keith Olson

      If crimes were committed shouldn’t the perps face justice?

      Where have I said that if someone committed a crime they shouldn’t face justice?  Quit projecting.

      I think where people have a problem is all through the BLM and Antifa summer riots of 2020 the government for the most part stood down to the point where several politicians helped bail out the perps.  Take Kamala Harris for example, she supported groups that bailed out criminal rioters.  I think the Jan 6 protesters were emboldened by the government’s lack of going after the BLM rioters, thinking they would also get the same treatment.  But we know now that Democrats treat conservative protesters much different than they do leftists.

      1. Bill Marshall

        So Keith O… Jan 6 2021 @ the US Capitol was not a riot?  And just a justified, righteous action by conservative protesters (after all we know the lefties stole the election from Trump, who otherwise would have won “in a landslide”?)  All of whom should be freed (perhaps without bail) and not prosecuted (persecuted, because they are conservative)?

        K

  13. Ron Glick

    “Quit projecting.”

    I’m not projecting because to project I would need to be in support of not prosecuting crimes at protests, a position I have never taken, going back as long as I can remember commenting here.

    But here is the problem with your whataboutism. Courts look at the facts of each case individually and the facts of the conduct of participants in the riot at the capitol are, in many cases, not trivial. Beating and injuring police, disrupting the electoral count for the President of the United States, threatening the life of the Vice President of the United States and the Speaker of the House of Representatives. These are serious crimes and the Justice Department and the Courts are treating them as such.

    You want to complain about other crimes where you feel justice hasn’t been served, whine away all you want, there is a reason Lady Justice is blind, but don’t try to minimize the crimes committed on January 6 by pointing to other injustices. Its a dog that will not hunt.

     

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