Meeting Tonight in Rural West Davis on Re-Entry Facility

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Yesterday I received an email message from a resident from rural west Davis asking me to inform Vanguard readers of a meeting tonight, September 4, out at the county airport approximately five miles from town.

Here is the email that was sent:

While we do not live in Davis proper, the residents of rural west Davis are a part of Davis ‘life’.

We just discovered that the County wants to build a prison on top of us!

Our community is having a town hall meeting on the 4th at 7 pm at Lillard Hall [Yolo County Airport].

Since so many Davisites share our community with bicycling and outdoor activities, we believe that having 800 prisoners and 300 support staff roaming in our rural area would negatively affect them.

Could/would you all be so kind as to “get the word out” (mass email) about our meeting? Perhaps some Davis folks would want to weigh in.

We also have a website at: westplainfield.ning.com that we just started.

Keep up the good work with your community site and thanks in advance.

The individual also told me that while they support the program, they are concerned about traffic issues with 300 employees. 800 prisoners would completely impact the main agricultural use.

“The county for years has had a policy of growth in cities to keep the rural area open. This proposal is quite out of step with that. There would be greener locations for this facility that would not need its own sewage plant or transportation system. Out here would be isolation for inmates, isolated from the very society that they are to be re-entered into? It’s ironic.”

I will try to attend the meeting tonight. I will be curious to see if it follows the same format from Tuesday up in Esparto, where two of the proposals now are located. The county has decided that Dunnigan and Zamora are not the best locations. I am very curious as to why they believe that is the case, but think Esparto or Plainfield will work.

At the meeting in Esparto, Yolo County Supervisors Matt Rexroad and Helen Thomson were on a panel along with Sheriff Ed Prieto and three members of the CDCR. Also while not on the panel, Supervisor Duane Chamberlain was in attendance.

Yolo Cowboy, who runs a pretty good blog called the Roughstock Journal covered this yesterday. He did not mince words about his dislike for the proposal.

According to the Yolo Cowboy, there were about 200 residents who went the Esparto high school auditorium.

From his perspective:

“The residents of this community were upset and it showed as comments and questions were shouted from those inside the auditorium. For those on the panel, they must have been waiting for the people to break out the torches and pitchforks.

I would like to apologize for the lack of decorum at the meeting, but I will not.

To understand the frustration felt by the citizens of the Capay Valley, you must understand what we have experienced in our dealings with Yolo County. It seems whenever someone comes to the County and says they have a huge amount of money to give them, if they give a green light to a certain project in a rural area, the green light is given. When the citizens of the affected area object, the County tells them, ‘we need the money, shut up and take it’. The first expansion of the Cache Creek casino? We need the money, shut up and take it. The second huge expansion of the casino? We need the money, shut up and take it. Now the proposed re entry prison, you guessed it, shut up and take it.

The County Board of Supervisors has a job to do, provide services to the citizens of our county with a 326 million dollar budget. I also understand the fact that free money is a rare and welcome luxury. However, this ‘free’ money does have a cost attached to it. A cost that is not easily seen from the cities of Woodland, Davis, West Sacramento. As rural residents of the county, we are told to shut up and take it as our small-town quality of life deteriorates for the common good of the urban citizenry of the county.”

I still think this is a pretty good proposal and a worthwhile endeavor. But the county has a clear problem at this point. The cities have veto power and the rural areas both do not want it and in most cases do not have the infrastructure or services to support it well.

Like many others, the Yolo Cowboy thinks we need the facility, but not at that location:

“Yes, Yolo County needs this type of facility; anything that could lead to a decrease in the recidivism rates of parolees is a benefit for us all. However, putting this facility out in a rural area, far away from urban centers with few employers, few volunteer organizations and where a tiny percentage of the prisoners families live, is setting up the program for failure before it starts.”

Okay than where? The cities do not want it either and they have actual veto power by the statute. Someone needs to compromise here or someone is going to get angry when the Board of Supervisors finally says, we have the authority to do whatever we want and you do not have enough people to stop us. And then what?

Stay tuned. This issue is just getting started, the board meets next Tuesday to discuss it.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

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David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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96 thoughts on “Meeting Tonight in Rural West Davis on Re-Entry Facility”

  1. Mike Hart

    Terrible location. UCD has serious plans to close their airport once they finish their housing expansion and all the planes, traffic etc. is headed to the Yolo County Airport. I think the move is a bad idea, but the University doesn’t ask opinions before they do things. They have placed a moratorium on new hangar leases while they make their plans. Adding a prison, of whatever level security it ends up becoming (remember, it can change anytime) in the same area is a dreadful idea.

  2. Mike Hart

    Terrible location. UCD has serious plans to close their airport once they finish their housing expansion and all the planes, traffic etc. is headed to the Yolo County Airport. I think the move is a bad idea, but the University doesn’t ask opinions before they do things. They have placed a moratorium on new hangar leases while they make their plans. Adding a prison, of whatever level security it ends up becoming (remember, it can change anytime) in the same area is a dreadful idea.

  3. Mike Hart

    Terrible location. UCD has serious plans to close their airport once they finish their housing expansion and all the planes, traffic etc. is headed to the Yolo County Airport. I think the move is a bad idea, but the University doesn’t ask opinions before they do things. They have placed a moratorium on new hangar leases while they make their plans. Adding a prison, of whatever level security it ends up becoming (remember, it can change anytime) in the same area is a dreadful idea.

  4. Mike Hart

    Terrible location. UCD has serious plans to close their airport once they finish their housing expansion and all the planes, traffic etc. is headed to the Yolo County Airport. I think the move is a bad idea, but the University doesn’t ask opinions before they do things. They have placed a moratorium on new hangar leases while they make their plans. Adding a prison, of whatever level security it ends up becoming (remember, it can change anytime) in the same area is a dreadful idea.

  5. Rich Rifkin

    “Since so many Davisites share our community with bicycling and outdoor activities, we believe that having 800 prisoners and 300 support staff roaming in our rural area would negatively affect them.”

    While putting the facility on Road 95 won’t impact me, I wonder if that is a good fit next to the Yolo Sportsman’s Club? For those who don’t know, that is a shooting range, where people who love guns shoot at targets and (I guess) clay pigeons and so on. I have never been on the grounds of the shooting range — I’m not a hunter or gun guy — but I would guess there must be a huge arsenal of weapons out there. It would be scary if a felon broke out of the prison and ran next door and got ahold of a bunch of guns.

  6. Rich Rifkin

    “Since so many Davisites share our community with bicycling and outdoor activities, we believe that having 800 prisoners and 300 support staff roaming in our rural area would negatively affect them.”

    While putting the facility on Road 95 won’t impact me, I wonder if that is a good fit next to the Yolo Sportsman’s Club? For those who don’t know, that is a shooting range, where people who love guns shoot at targets and (I guess) clay pigeons and so on. I have never been on the grounds of the shooting range — I’m not a hunter or gun guy — but I would guess there must be a huge arsenal of weapons out there. It would be scary if a felon broke out of the prison and ran next door and got ahold of a bunch of guns.

  7. Rich Rifkin

    “Since so many Davisites share our community with bicycling and outdoor activities, we believe that having 800 prisoners and 300 support staff roaming in our rural area would negatively affect them.”

    While putting the facility on Road 95 won’t impact me, I wonder if that is a good fit next to the Yolo Sportsman’s Club? For those who don’t know, that is a shooting range, where people who love guns shoot at targets and (I guess) clay pigeons and so on. I have never been on the grounds of the shooting range — I’m not a hunter or gun guy — but I would guess there must be a huge arsenal of weapons out there. It would be scary if a felon broke out of the prison and ran next door and got ahold of a bunch of guns.

  8. Rich Rifkin

    “Since so many Davisites share our community with bicycling and outdoor activities, we believe that having 800 prisoners and 300 support staff roaming in our rural area would negatively affect them.”

    While putting the facility on Road 95 won’t impact me, I wonder if that is a good fit next to the Yolo Sportsman’s Club? For those who don’t know, that is a shooting range, where people who love guns shoot at targets and (I guess) clay pigeons and so on. I have never been on the grounds of the shooting range — I’m not a hunter or gun guy — but I would guess there must be a huge arsenal of weapons out there. It would be scary if a felon broke out of the prison and ran next door and got ahold of a bunch of guns.

  9. Anonymous

    The website referred to in the article shows that it was created by Eric Tavenier who lives on Yosemite Avenue off of Rd 96. This is a ruralish neighborhood of houses. This is truely a case of nimbyism (literally).

    Apparently the neighborhood is OK with airport noise (and potential future expansion of the airport) and a gun club, but not this re-entry facility.

    The website brings up things like Fairfield School’s close proximity to the site (a couple of miles away).

    There is no suggestion as to where the facility should be located so there is nothing within 10 miles that may be impacted.

  10. Anonymous

    The website referred to in the article shows that it was created by Eric Tavenier who lives on Yosemite Avenue off of Rd 96. This is a ruralish neighborhood of houses. This is truely a case of nimbyism (literally).

    Apparently the neighborhood is OK with airport noise (and potential future expansion of the airport) and a gun club, but not this re-entry facility.

    The website brings up things like Fairfield School’s close proximity to the site (a couple of miles away).

    There is no suggestion as to where the facility should be located so there is nothing within 10 miles that may be impacted.

  11. Anonymous

    The website referred to in the article shows that it was created by Eric Tavenier who lives on Yosemite Avenue off of Rd 96. This is a ruralish neighborhood of houses. This is truely a case of nimbyism (literally).

    Apparently the neighborhood is OK with airport noise (and potential future expansion of the airport) and a gun club, but not this re-entry facility.

    The website brings up things like Fairfield School’s close proximity to the site (a couple of miles away).

    There is no suggestion as to where the facility should be located so there is nothing within 10 miles that may be impacted.

  12. Anonymous

    The website referred to in the article shows that it was created by Eric Tavenier who lives on Yosemite Avenue off of Rd 96. This is a ruralish neighborhood of houses. This is truely a case of nimbyism (literally).

    Apparently the neighborhood is OK with airport noise (and potential future expansion of the airport) and a gun club, but not this re-entry facility.

    The website brings up things like Fairfield School’s close proximity to the site (a couple of miles away).

    There is no suggestion as to where the facility should be located so there is nothing within 10 miles that may be impacted.

  13. Doug Paul Davis

    Sorry I had originally misread your comment.

    That said, it still leaves open the question as to the most suitable location. All of this should be explored fully by both the neighbors and the board of supervisors.

  14. Doug Paul Davis

    Sorry I had originally misread your comment.

    That said, it still leaves open the question as to the most suitable location. All of this should be explored fully by both the neighbors and the board of supervisors.

  15. Doug Paul Davis

    Sorry I had originally misread your comment.

    That said, it still leaves open the question as to the most suitable location. All of this should be explored fully by both the neighbors and the board of supervisors.

  16. Doug Paul Davis

    Sorry I had originally misread your comment.

    That said, it still leaves open the question as to the most suitable location. All of this should be explored fully by both the neighbors and the board of supervisors.

  17. Anon

    Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison? This seems to be a more logical choice, somehow. I don’t blame the smaller rural communities for not wanting this in their backyard, nor the cities. Listen, nothing in life is truly free. There is always a price tag. The question really is – is the price asked really worth it?

  18. Anon

    Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison? This seems to be a more logical choice, somehow. I don’t blame the smaller rural communities for not wanting this in their backyard, nor the cities. Listen, nothing in life is truly free. There is always a price tag. The question really is – is the price asked really worth it?

  19. Anon

    Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison? This seems to be a more logical choice, somehow. I don’t blame the smaller rural communities for not wanting this in their backyard, nor the cities. Listen, nothing in life is truly free. There is always a price tag. The question really is – is the price asked really worth it?

  20. Anon

    Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison? This seems to be a more logical choice, somehow. I don’t blame the smaller rural communities for not wanting this in their backyard, nor the cities. Listen, nothing in life is truly free. There is always a price tag. The question really is – is the price asked really worth it?

  21. Another View

    There are important considerations here that have nothing to do with NIMBYISM or not placing the facility within 10 miles of residences. Frankly if that’s what this debate is about, I won’t be supportive of the local groups.

    One thing though that is interesting is the idea of having increased traffic on the rural agricultural roads. We’re not just talking about the employees coming and going, but also families will be visiting from across Yolo and Solano Counties. Those roads are not built for that traffic volume. The advantage of the Madison site is that it is right off I505. That is probably the better location from the standpoint of logistics and infrastructure.

  22. Another View

    There are important considerations here that have nothing to do with NIMBYISM or not placing the facility within 10 miles of residences. Frankly if that’s what this debate is about, I won’t be supportive of the local groups.

    One thing though that is interesting is the idea of having increased traffic on the rural agricultural roads. We’re not just talking about the employees coming and going, but also families will be visiting from across Yolo and Solano Counties. Those roads are not built for that traffic volume. The advantage of the Madison site is that it is right off I505. That is probably the better location from the standpoint of logistics and infrastructure.

  23. Another View

    There are important considerations here that have nothing to do with NIMBYISM or not placing the facility within 10 miles of residences. Frankly if that’s what this debate is about, I won’t be supportive of the local groups.

    One thing though that is interesting is the idea of having increased traffic on the rural agricultural roads. We’re not just talking about the employees coming and going, but also families will be visiting from across Yolo and Solano Counties. Those roads are not built for that traffic volume. The advantage of the Madison site is that it is right off I505. That is probably the better location from the standpoint of logistics and infrastructure.

  24. Another View

    There are important considerations here that have nothing to do with NIMBYISM or not placing the facility within 10 miles of residences. Frankly if that’s what this debate is about, I won’t be supportive of the local groups.

    One thing though that is interesting is the idea of having increased traffic on the rural agricultural roads. We’re not just talking about the employees coming and going, but also families will be visiting from across Yolo and Solano Counties. Those roads are not built for that traffic volume. The advantage of the Madison site is that it is right off I505. That is probably the better location from the standpoint of logistics and infrastructure.

  25. Rich Rifkin

    “Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison?”

    I think that’s a good point. So much of the angst over this kind of development is fear of the unknown. No one wants his neighborhood or town threatened by this kind of change. But when a community or neighborhood already has a prison or jail, they know what it’s like and have accommodated themselves to it.

    That doesn’t mean we should overburden a crowded neighborhood with something its infrastructure cannot handle; nor should we think these areas are immune from problems brought about by such facilities.

    But I think, if there is space, it makes sense to consider a place which won’t change dramatically with the reentry facility in its midst.

    The Yolo County Jail is on East Gibson Road, just west of Road 102. To its east is the county animal shelter. I think the large property right at the corner of 102 and Gibson is vacant. That could be a good site for the reentry facility, if it is large enough. If not, then I believe there is empty land on the east side of 102, west of the golf center.

    Or if this facility were placed by a prison, then why not near the new prison on Elmira Road (east of Vacaville)? There is plenty of room out there, and it is easy to reach for families in Yolo and Solano counties.

    Alternatively, there is open land west of the California Medical Facility (prison) in Vacaville. That would be another decent location for the reentry jail, unless that “open land” really cannot be built on.

  26. Rich Rifkin

    “Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison?”

    I think that’s a good point. So much of the angst over this kind of development is fear of the unknown. No one wants his neighborhood or town threatened by this kind of change. But when a community or neighborhood already has a prison or jail, they know what it’s like and have accommodated themselves to it.

    That doesn’t mean we should overburden a crowded neighborhood with something its infrastructure cannot handle; nor should we think these areas are immune from problems brought about by such facilities.

    But I think, if there is space, it makes sense to consider a place which won’t change dramatically with the reentry facility in its midst.

    The Yolo County Jail is on East Gibson Road, just west of Road 102. To its east is the county animal shelter. I think the large property right at the corner of 102 and Gibson is vacant. That could be a good site for the reentry facility, if it is large enough. If not, then I believe there is empty land on the east side of 102, west of the golf center.

    Or if this facility were placed by a prison, then why not near the new prison on Elmira Road (east of Vacaville)? There is plenty of room out there, and it is easy to reach for families in Yolo and Solano counties.

    Alternatively, there is open land west of the California Medical Facility (prison) in Vacaville. That would be another decent location for the reentry jail, unless that “open land” really cannot be built on.

  27. Rich Rifkin

    “Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison?”

    I think that’s a good point. So much of the angst over this kind of development is fear of the unknown. No one wants his neighborhood or town threatened by this kind of change. But when a community or neighborhood already has a prison or jail, they know what it’s like and have accommodated themselves to it.

    That doesn’t mean we should overburden a crowded neighborhood with something its infrastructure cannot handle; nor should we think these areas are immune from problems brought about by such facilities.

    But I think, if there is space, it makes sense to consider a place which won’t change dramatically with the reentry facility in its midst.

    The Yolo County Jail is on East Gibson Road, just west of Road 102. To its east is the county animal shelter. I think the large property right at the corner of 102 and Gibson is vacant. That could be a good site for the reentry facility, if it is large enough. If not, then I believe there is empty land on the east side of 102, west of the golf center.

    Or if this facility were placed by a prison, then why not near the new prison on Elmira Road (east of Vacaville)? There is plenty of room out there, and it is easy to reach for families in Yolo and Solano counties.

    Alternatively, there is open land west of the California Medical Facility (prison) in Vacaville. That would be another decent location for the reentry jail, unless that “open land” really cannot be built on.

  28. Rich Rifkin

    “Is it possible to locate the re-entry facility next to an already existing jail/prison?”

    I think that’s a good point. So much of the angst over this kind of development is fear of the unknown. No one wants his neighborhood or town threatened by this kind of change. But when a community or neighborhood already has a prison or jail, they know what it’s like and have accommodated themselves to it.

    That doesn’t mean we should overburden a crowded neighborhood with something its infrastructure cannot handle; nor should we think these areas are immune from problems brought about by such facilities.

    But I think, if there is space, it makes sense to consider a place which won’t change dramatically with the reentry facility in its midst.

    The Yolo County Jail is on East Gibson Road, just west of Road 102. To its east is the county animal shelter. I think the large property right at the corner of 102 and Gibson is vacant. That could be a good site for the reentry facility, if it is large enough. If not, then I believe there is empty land on the east side of 102, west of the golf center.

    Or if this facility were placed by a prison, then why not near the new prison on Elmira Road (east of Vacaville)? There is plenty of room out there, and it is easy to reach for families in Yolo and Solano counties.

    Alternatively, there is open land west of the California Medical Facility (prison) in Vacaville. That would be another decent location for the reentry jail, unless that “open land” really cannot be built on.

  29. Anonymous

    Whether you support this facility or not, let’s be honest and start out by acknowledging that recidivism rates are always high, regardless of the social services provided, and that it is only natural for people to be afraid of crime. It is only natural for people to be afraid of a large concentration of prisoners in their neighborhood.

    We can discuss this issue without name calling. Almost everyone cares about what is in their backyard, and fear of crime is reasonable and is high on everyone’s list.

  30. Anonymous

    Whether you support this facility or not, let’s be honest and start out by acknowledging that recidivism rates are always high, regardless of the social services provided, and that it is only natural for people to be afraid of crime. It is only natural for people to be afraid of a large concentration of prisoners in their neighborhood.

    We can discuss this issue without name calling. Almost everyone cares about what is in their backyard, and fear of crime is reasonable and is high on everyone’s list.

  31. Anonymous

    Whether you support this facility or not, let’s be honest and start out by acknowledging that recidivism rates are always high, regardless of the social services provided, and that it is only natural for people to be afraid of crime. It is only natural for people to be afraid of a large concentration of prisoners in their neighborhood.

    We can discuss this issue without name calling. Almost everyone cares about what is in their backyard, and fear of crime is reasonable and is high on everyone’s list.

  32. Anonymous

    Whether you support this facility or not, let’s be honest and start out by acknowledging that recidivism rates are always high, regardless of the social services provided, and that it is only natural for people to be afraid of crime. It is only natural for people to be afraid of a large concentration of prisoners in their neighborhood.

    We can discuss this issue without name calling. Almost everyone cares about what is in their backyard, and fear of crime is reasonable and is high on everyone’s list.

  33. Anonymous

    I think Rexroad said at the other meeting that the state thought the place by the jail was too small.

    I’m sick of this NIMBY crap. I wouldn’t mind it in Davis, though the Madison site makes more sense since it’s by 505.

  34. Anonymous

    I think Rexroad said at the other meeting that the state thought the place by the jail was too small.

    I’m sick of this NIMBY crap. I wouldn’t mind it in Davis, though the Madison site makes more sense since it’s by 505.

  35. Anonymous

    I think Rexroad said at the other meeting that the state thought the place by the jail was too small.

    I’m sick of this NIMBY crap. I wouldn’t mind it in Davis, though the Madison site makes more sense since it’s by 505.

  36. Anonymous

    I think Rexroad said at the other meeting that the state thought the place by the jail was too small.

    I’m sick of this NIMBY crap. I wouldn’t mind it in Davis, though the Madison site makes more sense since it’s by 505.

  37. Don Shor

    “It has to go somewhere. “
    Actually, it doesn’t have to go anywhere. There is no specific need for this facility, or for a facility of this type.
    I’m curious what sheriff department response times are in that area.

  38. Don Shor

    “It has to go somewhere. “
    Actually, it doesn’t have to go anywhere. There is no specific need for this facility, or for a facility of this type.
    I’m curious what sheriff department response times are in that area.

  39. Don Shor

    “It has to go somewhere. “
    Actually, it doesn’t have to go anywhere. There is no specific need for this facility, or for a facility of this type.
    I’m curious what sheriff department response times are in that area.

  40. Don Shor

    “It has to go somewhere. “
    Actually, it doesn’t have to go anywhere. There is no specific need for this facility, or for a facility of this type.
    I’m curious what sheriff department response times are in that area.

  41. Richard

    a few more meetings of this kind, and the project will die a death that was imminently predictable from its inception, once the cities of the county, the cities responsible for generating many of the felons, the cities with the support services required, rejected it

    strangely, posts on this subject still retain a rhetorical double standard, cities are “exercising their veto power”, while the rural areas are “rejecting it”

    perhaps, a Safiresque quibble, but I guess it is an improvement over a past description whereby rural residents were characterized as displaying “NIMBYism”, while the cities were “exercising their veto power” , thus presenting the absurd implication that “NIMBYism” had nothing to do with the decision of the cities to reject it

    the Board has no answer to a simple question: If the project is great, so necessary, why are the cities of West Sacramento, Davis and Woodland rejecting it?”

    –Richard Estes

  42. Richard

    a few more meetings of this kind, and the project will die a death that was imminently predictable from its inception, once the cities of the county, the cities responsible for generating many of the felons, the cities with the support services required, rejected it

    strangely, posts on this subject still retain a rhetorical double standard, cities are “exercising their veto power”, while the rural areas are “rejecting it”

    perhaps, a Safiresque quibble, but I guess it is an improvement over a past description whereby rural residents were characterized as displaying “NIMBYism”, while the cities were “exercising their veto power” , thus presenting the absurd implication that “NIMBYism” had nothing to do with the decision of the cities to reject it

    the Board has no answer to a simple question: If the project is great, so necessary, why are the cities of West Sacramento, Davis and Woodland rejecting it?”

    –Richard Estes

  43. Richard

    a few more meetings of this kind, and the project will die a death that was imminently predictable from its inception, once the cities of the county, the cities responsible for generating many of the felons, the cities with the support services required, rejected it

    strangely, posts on this subject still retain a rhetorical double standard, cities are “exercising their veto power”, while the rural areas are “rejecting it”

    perhaps, a Safiresque quibble, but I guess it is an improvement over a past description whereby rural residents were characterized as displaying “NIMBYism”, while the cities were “exercising their veto power” , thus presenting the absurd implication that “NIMBYism” had nothing to do with the decision of the cities to reject it

    the Board has no answer to a simple question: If the project is great, so necessary, why are the cities of West Sacramento, Davis and Woodland rejecting it?”

    –Richard Estes

  44. Richard

    a few more meetings of this kind, and the project will die a death that was imminently predictable from its inception, once the cities of the county, the cities responsible for generating many of the felons, the cities with the support services required, rejected it

    strangely, posts on this subject still retain a rhetorical double standard, cities are “exercising their veto power”, while the rural areas are “rejecting it”

    perhaps, a Safiresque quibble, but I guess it is an improvement over a past description whereby rural residents were characterized as displaying “NIMBYism”, while the cities were “exercising their veto power” , thus presenting the absurd implication that “NIMBYism” had nothing to do with the decision of the cities to reject it

    the Board has no answer to a simple question: If the project is great, so necessary, why are the cities of West Sacramento, Davis and Woodland rejecting it?”

    –Richard Estes

  45. built the facility

    Great location. Yolo Cowboy is a right-winger who loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them. This ‘call to action’ by the so-called ‘rural West Davis’ residents is nothing more than a shameless NIMBY attitude and related to their desire to keep their own little slice of the rural sprawl pie they have chosen to inhabit.
    They aren’t Davis, and have no place trying to get Davis on their side on this. Matt Rexroad is 100% right on this, and I NEVER agree with Rexroad.
    But, I hate whiners who oppose everything just because it is near them.

  46. built the facility

    Great location. Yolo Cowboy is a right-winger who loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them. This ‘call to action’ by the so-called ‘rural West Davis’ residents is nothing more than a shameless NIMBY attitude and related to their desire to keep their own little slice of the rural sprawl pie they have chosen to inhabit.
    They aren’t Davis, and have no place trying to get Davis on their side on this. Matt Rexroad is 100% right on this, and I NEVER agree with Rexroad.
    But, I hate whiners who oppose everything just because it is near them.

  47. built the facility

    Great location. Yolo Cowboy is a right-winger who loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them. This ‘call to action’ by the so-called ‘rural West Davis’ residents is nothing more than a shameless NIMBY attitude and related to their desire to keep their own little slice of the rural sprawl pie they have chosen to inhabit.
    They aren’t Davis, and have no place trying to get Davis on their side on this. Matt Rexroad is 100% right on this, and I NEVER agree with Rexroad.
    But, I hate whiners who oppose everything just because it is near them.

  48. built the facility

    Great location. Yolo Cowboy is a right-winger who loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them. This ‘call to action’ by the so-called ‘rural West Davis’ residents is nothing more than a shameless NIMBY attitude and related to their desire to keep their own little slice of the rural sprawl pie they have chosen to inhabit.
    They aren’t Davis, and have no place trying to get Davis on their side on this. Matt Rexroad is 100% right on this, and I NEVER agree with Rexroad.
    But, I hate whiners who oppose everything just because it is near them.

  49. planes, guns, and jebus

    The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns. And I suppose we should also be afraid of people stealing planes to escape, as well? What happens when they crash into the Vegas strip and have to be stopped by Nicolaus Cage?
    Come back to reality, Rifkin…

  50. planes, guns, and jebus

    The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns. And I suppose we should also be afraid of people stealing planes to escape, as well? What happens when they crash into the Vegas strip and have to be stopped by Nicolaus Cage?
    Come back to reality, Rifkin…

  51. planes, guns, and jebus

    The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns. And I suppose we should also be afraid of people stealing planes to escape, as well? What happens when they crash into the Vegas strip and have to be stopped by Nicolaus Cage?
    Come back to reality, Rifkin…

  52. planes, guns, and jebus

    The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns. And I suppose we should also be afraid of people stealing planes to escape, as well? What happens when they crash into the Vegas strip and have to be stopped by Nicolaus Cage?
    Come back to reality, Rifkin…

  53. Don Shor

    “…loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them.”

    I see no reason to believe this facility will have programs any different or more effective than those already at the 3 dozen existing prisons in California. They even have education and rehabilitation programs at Vacaville CMF. We have built more than half our state prisons in the last two decades. If there is a need for more prison space, expand one of the existing prisons. This is unnecessary, and it isn’t surprising nobody wants to live near it.

  54. Don Shor

    “…loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them.”

    I see no reason to believe this facility will have programs any different or more effective than those already at the 3 dozen existing prisons in California. They even have education and rehabilitation programs at Vacaville CMF. We have built more than half our state prisons in the last two decades. If there is a need for more prison space, expand one of the existing prisons. This is unnecessary, and it isn’t surprising nobody wants to live near it.

  55. Don Shor

    “…loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them.”

    I see no reason to believe this facility will have programs any different or more effective than those already at the 3 dozen existing prisons in California. They even have education and rehabilitation programs at Vacaville CMF. We have built more than half our state prisons in the last two decades. If there is a need for more prison space, expand one of the existing prisons. This is unnecessary, and it isn’t surprising nobody wants to live near it.

  56. Don Shor

    “…loves the idea of putting people in jail, but not rehabilitating them.”

    I see no reason to believe this facility will have programs any different or more effective than those already at the 3 dozen existing prisons in California. They even have education and rehabilitation programs at Vacaville CMF. We have built more than half our state prisons in the last two decades. If there is a need for more prison space, expand one of the existing prisons. This is unnecessary, and it isn’t surprising nobody wants to live near it.

  57. Rich Rifkin

    “The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns… Come back to reality, Rifkin…”

    Oh, I’m sorry, I thought the people at the Yolo sportsman shooting range were shooting guns. Thanks for correcting me, Black Bart.

  58. Rich Rifkin

    “The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns… Come back to reality, Rifkin…”

    Oh, I’m sorry, I thought the people at the Yolo sportsman shooting range were shooting guns. Thanks for correcting me, Black Bart.

  59. Rich Rifkin

    “The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns… Come back to reality, Rifkin…”

    Oh, I’m sorry, I thought the people at the Yolo sportsman shooting range were shooting guns. Thanks for correcting me, Black Bart.

  60. Rich Rifkin

    “The shooting range is where people go to shoot, not store guns… Come back to reality, Rifkin…”

    Oh, I’m sorry, I thought the people at the Yolo sportsman shooting range were shooting guns. Thanks for correcting me, Black Bart.

  61. guns and jebus

    Um, Rifkin, if the people at the shooting range are shooting guns, do you really think escaped convicts are going to run there and take someone’s gun, um, while they are surrounded by other people shooting guns, oh, frak, never mind…I can’t talk to you.

  62. guns and jebus

    Um, Rifkin, if the people at the shooting range are shooting guns, do you really think escaped convicts are going to run there and take someone’s gun, um, while they are surrounded by other people shooting guns, oh, frak, never mind…I can’t talk to you.

  63. guns and jebus

    Um, Rifkin, if the people at the shooting range are shooting guns, do you really think escaped convicts are going to run there and take someone’s gun, um, while they are surrounded by other people shooting guns, oh, frak, never mind…I can’t talk to you.

  64. guns and jebus

    Um, Rifkin, if the people at the shooting range are shooting guns, do you really think escaped convicts are going to run there and take someone’s gun, um, while they are surrounded by other people shooting guns, oh, frak, never mind…I can’t talk to you.

  65. Anonymous

    There is so much more to this than anyone commenting here understands. I would gladly pay more to the county’s legal theft fund,(taxes), than have 500 more of these assholes in minimum security within 5,10 or 20 miles from my house.

  66. Anonymous

    There is so much more to this than anyone commenting here understands. I would gladly pay more to the county’s legal theft fund,(taxes), than have 500 more of these assholes in minimum security within 5,10 or 20 miles from my house.

  67. Anonymous

    There is so much more to this than anyone commenting here understands. I would gladly pay more to the county’s legal theft fund,(taxes), than have 500 more of these assholes in minimum security within 5,10 or 20 miles from my house.

  68. Anonymous

    There is so much more to this than anyone commenting here understands. I would gladly pay more to the county’s legal theft fund,(taxes), than have 500 more of these assholes in minimum security within 5,10 or 20 miles from my house.

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