Monday Morning Thoughts: Is NIMBYism Really on the Way Out?

By David M. Greenwald
Executive Editor

Last week Josh Stephens of the California Planning and Development Report argued, “NIMBYism has had a good run: a good, multi-million-dollar fun for many millions of (relatively older, whiter, wealthier) Californians. That run is ending.”

While I must acknowledge encouragement at what happened in San Francisco with the heavy focus on housing in the special Assembly Election and of course the quick legislative override in Berkeley, not to mention the failure of opponents of SB 9 and SB 10 to mount an initiative drive—overall I am much more sanguine than Stephens about the death of NIMBYism.

Maybe it’s because I live in Davis, and see the ability of local residents to continually thwart efforts for new housing.  Maybe it’s because I see the ability of small groups to block and delay projects even after approval.

Stephens argues, “After NIMBYism went nearly undefeated and scarcely contested for four decades, its losses are piling up. It’s not dead, but it’s sputtering.”

He makes a strong showing here, but argues, “None of those single events, of course, gives California and its cities free rein to build the 2-3 million units that are needed. But collectively they point to a political shift that, coupled with structural economic and demographic trends, suggest that NIMBYism is not what it used to be—and probably never will be again.”

Here are some of the highlights that Stephens mentions in his 12 examples.

First, he writes, “NIMBY-oriented petitions to force recall elections in Los Angeles and San Diego failed to even get on their respective ballots.”

Second, he notes, “Statewide ballot measures like 2020’s Prop. 21, a rent control measure sponsored by NIMBY group AIDS Healthcare, failed handily.”

Stephens noted that “Our Neighborhood Voices” ballot initiative “advanced by a group of local elected officials who talked big game about recapturing local control from the state” ended up pulling their petitions having failed to garner significant numbers to force a ballot initiative.

Stephens also noted that the YIMBY movement has advanced from their early days to “the remarkably effective lobbying and advocacy efforts of California YIMBY.”

He also noted, “The demise of single-family zoning in cities like Sacramento and Berkeley (pre-SB 9) illustrates a powerful confluence of social justice and housing advocacy.”

Meanwhile, he argues that Livable California, “an organization that probably seems powerful, forceful, and righteous within the echo chamber of its membership—looks increasingly ineffectual and cartoonish.”

We have seen a strong legislative record of pro-housing laws, “with relatively few failures and vetoes,” though he acknowledges high-profile failures like SB 827, SB 50, and AB 1401.  He argued that these “provided cover for more subtle pro-housing laws.”

Stephens also points to the new RHNA process, “which while not perfect, is very real.”  He adds, “The attorney general is keeping tabs on cities, calling them out for noncompliance, and threatening to file lawsuits.”

While San Francisco Supervisors killed a high-density apartment building “that had checked all the planning boxes,” that “seems like a victory, except for the outcry and derision that it inspired. San Francisco voters may face a ballot initiative in November that would make it harder for the supervisors to deny projects.”

Finally, he pointed to the Berkeley lawsuit that was won by a neighborhood group, and “would have prevented UC Berkeley from building a new mixed-use dorm and, more importantly, forcing it to reduce enrollment.”

“Initially, it seemed like an enormous, potentially devastating win over one of the world’s great public institutions,” he writes. “And yet, not two weeks later, the legislation and governor, in an astonishing display of unity and effectiveness, passed a law to negate the lawsuit. Students of Classical history at Berkeley will know this as a ‘Pyrrhic victory.’”

Stephens concludes that “while I do not support unbridled development and appreciate many stakeholders’ concerns, I think this evolution will, on balance, be good for California and Californians.”

He points out “an increasingly small share of California’s population benefits from Prop. 13. The primordial Prop. 13 beneficiaries have made out like bandits. And anyone who’s purchased a home in the past decade or so is probably sufficiently resentful of the fact that they are paying property taxes that might be, in some cases, many times greater than those of their longer-tenured neighbors.”

He believes that the demise of NIMBYism will allow California planners to “actually plan.”

He noted that “planners today are less encumbered than ever before by NIMBY-inspired restrictions.”

From a political perspective, he argues, “I think they’re going to hear increasingly fewer strident voices of opposition at public meetings in the coming years. Those voices might not be any less loud, but they’ll be less numerous.”

I actually think we have already seen this locally.  I’ve noted that the last few Measure J elections, the number of anti-housing/anti-development voices have been relatively few.  Even looking at places like NextDoor, the number of people actively engaged and hostile to the recent DiSC project are relatively few.

Still, as we have seen in Davis, while there have been victories for housing—Nishi and Bretton Woods in 2018 for instance—the anti-housing forces can still muster victories.

Stephens noted that “some NIMBY-friendly policies and institutions will take awhile to catch up with public opinion. CEQA will always complicate planners’ work, and it will always favor the status quo.”

He added, “NIMBYs will still win occasional victories, through clever use of CEQA and political pressure in certain slow-growth redoubts, like the San Francisco Peninsula and Orange County. But they’re also going to lose. Their losses will lead to frustration. But frustration is not policy. And the more time passes, the more evidence will mount that the sky remains intact.”

Overall, I think he makes some strong points.  I’ve often noted locally that there is a huge generational factor, with older homeowners acting as the last gatekeeper for new housing opportunities in Davis and that pool will slowly decline in strength and number of time.

Still, I would not count myself as optimistic.  At least not yet.

About The Author

David Greenwald is the founder, editor, and executive director of the Davis Vanguard. He founded the Vanguard in 2006. David Greenwald moved to Davis in 1996 to attend Graduate School at UC Davis in Political Science. He lives in South Davis with his wife Cecilia Escamilla Greenwald and three children.

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  1. Ron Glick

    “I’ve often noted locally that there is a huge generational factor, with older homeowners acting as the last gatekeeper for new housing opportunities in Davis and that pool will slowly decline in strength and number of time.”

    If only those thousands of new on campus residents got to vote on measure J elections.

    1. Bill Marshall

      Actually, my experience is that is the ‘middle-agers’, early ’40’s to late ’50’s who are the ones that want to “build the moat, and raise the bridge”, in Davis.

          1. David Greenwald

            The issue is the $1 million homes in Orange County as a result of growth control policies that are unbalanced. If your response is the other extreme, fine. I agree. We should not go to the other extreme. But there has to be a middle ground. And right now, there’s not.

        1. Keith Y Echols

           But there has to be a middle ground. And right now, there’s not.

          I’ll say again (as I did in another post), that I do not believe that forcing housing policies down the throats of local communities is the answer to the housing issues.  You’re going to get pushback that may slow or derail efforts to produce more housing.

          I’ll say again that there should be optimal population growth target for the state and local regions (instead of a fait accompli about population growth).  Planning should be done with that optimization in mind.

          New housing growth should be encouraged as urban infill as well as new urban neighborhood communities (somewhat like DISC…no more stand alone business parks and shopping centers).  And most importantly; NEW COMMUNITIES NEED TO BE CREATED.  So the state and counties need to consider infrastructure creation and expansion for new community growth.  Create new semi-urban pockets of growth (biz parks, shopping centers with mixed use and denser residential units around it…and some new single family homes) in areas near cities that do not want to grow.

          1. David Greenwald

            “I’ll say again (as I did in another post), that I do not believe that forcing housing policies down the throats of local communities is the answer to the housing issues. ”

            On the surface I would agree. But if you look at a lot of the examples provided in this, what you see is less a force than an active battle between those trying to stop housing and those trying to approve more. Berkeley for example – the neighbors were opposing some projects, but it was the elected city council that was on the other side. We see that dynamic at work in Davis as well. So I’m not sure what you are describing is accurate.

        2. Keith Y Echols

           Berkeley for example – the neighbors were opposing some projects, but it was the elected city council that was on the other side. We see that dynamic at work in Davis as well. 

          Read my other post below.  What did I say about real estate? location, location, location.

          People care when it’s in their almost literal backyards.  Otherwise…yeah they’re all for new housing for the poor unfortunate people that need housing.

          So you’re going to get a continuous cycle of pro-development for the good of the poor people and city….and then you’ll get anti-growth counter push from neighborhood locals…which if pushed too far will include those outside of the neighborhood for those concerned about state government overreach.

          I should add to my ideas about no more stand alone biz parks and shopping centers; that if new shopping centers are built that I think it should be required to plan for either mixed use or dense affordable residential units at or really close to that shopping center. If a city is taking on new retail jobs; it should plan for housing for those retail jobs.

          1. David Greenwald

            “People care when it’s in their almost literal backyards. ”

            Which of course is by definition, NIMBYism. Given that, there is probably is no way at this point to avoid forcing development on at least some people.

        3. Keith Olson

          Given that, there is probably is no way at this point to avoid forcing development on at least some people.

          So that’s why you ave the YIYBY’s.

          Yes In Your Back Yard

      1. Keith Y Echols

        Given that, there is probably is no way at this point to avoid forcing development on at least some people.

        You’re not really seeing the forest for the trees concerning my comments.

        I said below in another comment that almost EVERYONE gets to a tipping point about how they feel or to what degree they believe their community should be in terms of traffic, parking, crowds, quality of life (some like living around open space for example)…and yes economics.  EVERYONE has their their belief about how they view their community and inevitably growth in one form or another will oppose one or more of those beliefs of most people at some time.

  2. Ron Oertel

    NIMBYism is a different issue than concerns regarding sprawl.

    YIMBYs are not grass-roots organizations.  They are funded by special interests, especially the technology industry.

    Cal Yimby is a nonprofit organization in the state, chartered under Internal Revenue Code Section 501 c 4. That means it is free to spend money on advocacy (but contributions aren’t tax deductible).
    The latest public IRS filings – for the fiscal year ending in 2019 – show total revenue of $6.3 million. That’s almost double what the group brought in in 2018.
    We don’t know exactly who is funding Cal Yimby today – the law requires nonprofits to tell the IRS about any donors of more than $5,000, but that part of the tax return in not public.
    But we know this:

    Since its founding in summer 2017, California Yimby has received $500,000 raised by Nat Friedman and Zack Rosen (Pantheon); $500,000 from the Open Philanthropy Project, mainly funded by Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz and his wife Cari Tuna; and a million dollars from the online payment company Stripe.
     

    https://48hills.org/2021/05/the-big-yimby-money-behind-housing-deregulation-bills/

    The tech industry’s key agents are California YIMBY, the statewide lobbying group founded and funded by tech executives, and State Sen. Scott Wiener, who, since 2015, has socked away a staggering $554,235 in campaign cash from Big Tech, including sizable contributions from Facebook, Google, and Amazon. California YIMBY and Wiener worked closely for SB 827, and they’ve teamed up again for SB 50. California YIMBY and Wiener are inextricably linked — and Big Tech is the mothership.
    In a revealing 2017 article, Pantheon CEO Zack Rosen, who co-founded California YIMBY, explained Big Tech’s jump into land-use and housing policy. He told The Information, a news site for tech insiders, that a “combination of over-regulation by the state and the tech industry’s success has created the [housing] problem. I feel there’s a real onus on us to lead.”
    But with millions of middle- and working-class Californians struggling to pay exorbitant rents, Big Tech’s need to lead was hardly altruistic.
     

    https://www.housinghumanright.org/inside-game-california-yimby-scott-wiener-and-big-tech-troubling-housing-push/

    California YIMBY, the land-use lobbying group for Big Tech, continues to hide behind its nonprofit status and refuses to reveal exactly who contributes the big bucks to the organization. California YIMBY CEO Brian Hanlon has never replied to Housing Is A Human Right’s demand to name the lobbying group’s top 50 contributors, even though its pro-gentrification agenda harms millions of Californians. 
    California YIMBY can hide contributors because of its status as a nonprofit, allowing the Big Tech lobbying group to withhold that information from the public. 
    But we do know that Big Tech executives founded California YIMBY, installing Hanlon as the chief executive officer. We also know that Big Tech executives have been major contributors to California YIMBY and its political action committee, California YIMBY Victory Fund. Stripe contributed $100,000 to the victory fund, and Arista Networks co-founder Kenneth Duda shelled out two checks of $100,000 each. Those are just two examples.
    Stripe co-founders Patrick and John Collison also sent a gigantic $1-million check to California YIMBY, and Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman, tech investor Jared Friedman, and Stripe executive Cristina Cordova also made contributions. Within its first year, California YIMBY had raised $500,000 from “tech bigwigs,” reported The Real Deal in 2017.
     
    In that article, Hanlon stated, “Virtually all of the money that we’ve raised has come from the tech industry. I am certainly willing to accept money from developers, it’s just that I’ve gotten a much better reception from tech leaders than from real estate people.”

    https://www.housinghumanright.org/why-is-california-yimby-hiding-the-names-of-big-money-contributors/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=why-is-california-yimby-hiding-the-names-of-big-money-contributors

     

     

  3. Keith Y Echols

    What’s the most basic premise about real estate?  location, location, location.

    People’s attitudes towards new housing laws and a reversal of NIMBYISM are being conflated.  It assumes rational thought by people/voters that one is in opposition to the other.  But it’s more like:

    Voters: More housing across the state for the all the unfortunate people that need housing?  That’s a big YES!

    Voters (a few years later):  Wait!  You want to push housing into my community?  And good god!  Not AFFORDABLE HOUSING!   What will that do to my home’s value????

    Overall, I think he makes some strong points.  I’ve often noted locally that there is a huge generational factor, with older homeowners acting as the last gatekeeper for new housing opportunities in Davis and that pool will slowly decline in strength and number of time.

    Yes, but you forget that once those that have struggled to buy a home, finally do; give them 10 years and then they’ll be the ones protecting their community and investment.

    1. Keith Olson

      Yes, but you forget that once those that have struggled to buy a home, finally do; give them 10 years and then they’ll be the ones protecting their community and investment.

      10 years?  How about immediately?

    2. Bill Marshall

      Yes, but you forget that once those that have struggled to buy a home, finally do; give them 10 years and then they’ll be the ones protecting their community and investment.

      I believe that is true for ~ 60% of folk, and that the vast majority of those, figure the way to “protect”, is make sure no one else can follow in their footsteps… the “I’ve got mine, to H-e-double toothpicks” with everyone else” crowd… here, the term “entitled” actually gains some traction… and not based on race… ‘it’s about the (perceived) economics, stupid’…

  4. Ron Oertel

    The planners pointed to a few factors that have created this situation – and, in a remarkable nod to economic reality, one of the slides showed that a big part of the problem is the demand side, not the supply side. The city, and the region, have seen a huge influx of people making very high salaries; in fact, while the price of housing rose 98 percent, the total income in the city rose about 90 percent.

    But as Fewer notes, those pay hikes didn’t trickle down to most local workers. Cops, teachers, and other city workers – the people who make the city function every day – saw about two percent pay hikes. Most of the new income came, she said, from “imported workers.”

    https://48hills.org/2017/11/housing-crisis-caused-much-growth/

    There is, on the other hand, a larger issue here, and we all need to think about it. The local media world is entirely dominated by the Yimby narrative. No local news outlet, other than 48hills, even questions that approach, much less challenges it.

    Let’s parse this for a moment.

    First of all, I would argue that nobody who gets $2 million in support from the California Association of Realtors—a group that has blocked any reform of the Ellis Act, that has kept cities from passing effective rent control, and that has been responsible for thousands of evictions in San Francisco alone—can ever call themselves a “progressive,” much less an “unabashed” progressive.
    Second:

    Many believe that building more housing, at all price levels, is needed to combat the affordability crisis and prevent urban sprawl.

    Yes: But let’s for a moment live in the reality-based world.

    Building more housing “at all levels” by limiting regulations is a giant, obvious, myth, just like “creating jobs by cutting taxes” and the idea that “a rising tide lifts all boats.” We have lots and lots of data on this, going back 40 years, to the Reagan era.

    We know that California Yimby is funded by the real-estate industry.

    Private developers will never build housing at “all levels.” What, exactly, are the Chron reporters thinking about? Private developers respond to the market and to what investors will fund; that is, right now, housing for the rich and tech-worker dorms.

    That’s it. That’s what “pencils out.”

    Housing “at all levels” will only be built with massive public investment in non-market housing.

    This isn’t anything radical. It’s basic, fundamental, economics.

    https://48hills.org/2022/04/haneys-victory-does-not-mean-progressive-candidates-have-to-move-to-the-right/

    1. tkeller

      Keith, your posts make the binary assumption that if you dont have nimby’s or you will have endless urban sprawl.

      This is a false dichotomy.

      The truth is that most Yimby groups are AGAINST R1 zoning, and car-centric urban design, and instead advocate for infill when possible, and “missing middle” mixed-use zoning which is more sustainable on an economic and environmental basis.

      Here is davis, we really cant avoid growth.  It’s a crisis.   But nobody except the developers are saying that we need more single-family housing.

      And that really is the problem with Nimbyism I think… the “no-at-all-costs” kind of mindstet which turns every development proposal into a shouting match pretty much guarantees that we only get half-measure, limited, “dont rock the boat” low density propsals that dont piss off the neighbors too much by developing more of the same car-centric single family housing…

      1. Don Shor

        But nobody except the developers are saying that we need more single-family housing.

        No, I’ve repeatedly said it. So I’ll say it again: we need more single-family housing in Davis.
        Presently the single-family homes that potential Davis homebuyers would purchase are being built in Woodland and Dixon.

        1. Ron Oertel

          When they stop building them in Woodland and Dixon, let us know.

          (Including the 1,600 housing units planned at the Woodland technology park, after failing in Davis.)

          Though I’m hearing more-and-more about a decline in the housing market, due to significantly-rising interest rates.

          There’s also the “pre-owned” market, by the way. (Watch for the market to change there, as well.)

      2. Keith Y Echols

          But nobody except the developers are saying that we need more single-family housing.

        No.  Builders are in the business of making money.  Builders build what will sell.  What sells are single family homes. That means people want single family homes.  If given the choice between a 1,400 sqft townhome with little to no yard on the outskirts of East Davis or a 2,000 sqft single family home with a yard in Woodland; more than likely most buyers are going to buy the 2000 sqft home in Woodland….which is what they’re doing.

  5. Ron Glick

    “Yes, but you forget that once those that have struggled to buy a home, finally do; give them 10 years and then they’ll be the ones protecting their community and investment.”
    You mean like the people who bought in Mace Ranch 20 years ago and now oppose Disc? Many complain about the traffic they contribute to when they drive.

     

     

  6. Ron Oertel

    It is rather interesting to see how the state and the YIMBYs have “teamed-up” against cities:

    New Cops on California’s Duplex Beat

    The state housing department received a $4.65 million budget allocation last year to build out a team of 25 staff members — not all of whom will work on enforcement full time — to make sure 16 housing laws they received explicit authority to enforce are followed.

    That’s a dramatic departure from the status quo, according to Valerie Feldman, a staff attorney at Public Interest Law Project. The nonprofit legal services organization has been suing cities for decades that don’t build enough housing for low-income residents.

    The law is still so fresh and complicated for the average homeowner that YIMBYs have been the main cops on the new duplex law beat.

    Dylan Casey, executive director of the California Renters Legal Advocacy and Education Fund, a YIMBY group, said he and an intern have spent most of their recent Fridays culling through city council and planning commission agendas for more than 200 cities, marking which weekday meetings to watch and ordinances to review. The group has sent warning letters to a few of the 64 cities they say have restrictive ordinances, and filed multiple complaints with the state — which are triggers the state uses to look into cities.

    Meanwhile, two employees of YIMBY Law, another pro-housing group, with the help of dozens of volunteers across the state, have created a spreadsheet of 80 cities with restrictive ordinances and shared it with the state housing department. Homestead, a development startup looking to help homeowners split their lots under the new duplex law, has also deployed two employees to track and explain these ordinances to potential clients.

    Zisser and Bonta said they plan to review complaints from these groups, developers and homeowners and step in when a law is broken. On which agency takes on what city, Bonta said, “We don’t spend too much time figuring out if it’s them or us, as long as it’s somebody.”
    Cities and the state have been clashing over solutions to the housing crisis for years, but the new enforcement approach feels punitive for some local elected officials.

    In a two-page letter response, Mayor Victor M. Gordo told Pasadena residents the state had got it all wrong, and the city was indeed in compliance. In his sign-off, Gordo “respectfully encouraged” the attorney general to get to know his city before tarnishing its good name on social media.

    “By now, we should all understand that governance by Twitter is ineffective,” the mayor wrote.

    The letter points to a wider shift in enforcement of housing law. Esoteric city council and planning commission meetings are now broadcast online by a growing number of YIMBY activists. Admonishments once delivered to city attorneys privately can now go viral on Twitter.

    https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2022/04/24/yimby-activists-help-california-enforce-new-law-ending-single-family-zoning/

    Perhaps this is also something to keep in mind regarding DiSC as well, since the EIR itself notes that it creates demand for housing in excess of what would be provided onsite.  You can be sure that the local YIMBYs will take note of that, if it passes.

  7. Alan Miller

    I’ve asked U not to use NIMBY the pejorative.

    There’s a reason for this.  NIMBY sounds like there is no validity, nothing but selfishness.  Is it so wrong for someone to finally scrape everything together and make a purchase in the biggest investment of their lives, and then have a desire to protect the character of the neighborhood they have bought into?

    You see, the “envy” tribalism immediately makes those who have made the climb into “them”, the “rich”, when in fact they are probably now in debt and struggling financially, just with bigger stakes.  So the crabs in the pot try to pull the ‘just barely succeeding’ crabs back into the boiling water.  In the mean time, the big fat crabs are staring into the pot, laughing at all of us.

    Do any of you believe that we will ever see apartments in North Davis Farms?, infill where the golf course was at Stonegate Country Club?, dense student apartments in El Macero (not Davis, I know)?  These things aren’t happening, because the truly wealthy will never allow it, because they have the power.

    So they create this dynamic where anyone with a house is “them” rich, and everyone who rents is “us”, and they, those truly in power, smile as those who achieved a modicum of success are brought down by envy politics, identity politics, and dirty state politics, diapered with “NIMBY” and torn down not from the wealthy, but now from whence many came.

    And foolishly, the Davis Vanguard and Campus Democrats and all the others align with YIMBY and Weiner and all the developers because developers have learned that these people believe their lies that development-at-any-price is the solution to high housing costs.  They don’t see they are being used.  YOU don’t see you are being used — as tools.

    I’m not saying all developers are evil.  Because I know a couple of decent ones.  What I’m saying is most developers are evil.

    I’m also not a fan of what is referred to as the ‘anti-development’ crowd.  Who will always say they are not anti-development.  Which is a sign they anti-development.  Sort of like drowning a suspected witch, no?

    I’m actually in favor of DISC, because of the housing element, and the bike/ped tunnel infrastructure.  But I’m voting against DISC, because they lost my vote by placing a sitting council-memeber who just voted to put their item on the ballot, as the chair of their election committee.

    Nope.  Just flaunting in our face the power dynamic.  Nope.

    And the suing of the NO committee members was just icing on the No on Carson cake.

    I’m wandering . . . STOP CALLING PEOPLE NIMBYS!  You are playing right into the mouth of the evil ones.

    1. David Greenwald

      “ I’ve asked U not to use NIMBY the pejorative.”

      Oh well. I’ve taken your request under consideration, but has chosen to disregard it primarily because it’s impractical at this time.

      I do believe that you have overall twisted yourself into a pretzel on this stuff.

      On the one hand, you oppose Measure J.

      But on the other hand, you are voting against DiSC (apparently) based on capricious reasons (you say you like the project, but are angry at Dan Carson. Wouldn’t it make more sense to donate and work to defeat Dan Carson than it does to vote against a project that you like and utilize a process you don’t like?).

      Baffling. You don’t agree with the right to vote projects, but you will exercise it when it suits your purpose.

      1. Todd Edelman

        Well…. being ethical is also not binary. Some people are more… make more ethical decisions and others, less so. Obviously I support Alan M.’s decision, though I disagree with his opinion about DISC… and more in general comments below…. but for now in relation to the implied protection of Old East Davis: I support the preservation of existing “single-family”, historical housing, but think that the two blocks with apartments therein should eventually be re-developed as three/four-story buildings between J and K and four/five between K and L…  and with Identity Davis-levels of parking at most and no ability to park on the street (with exceptions for certain professions), befitting an area moments away from Downtown and even closer to the future “Gas” neighborhood built on top of the PG&E corporation yard and adjacent 5th St. corridor. During re-development could also narrow these streets that don’t have parking on them, making them safer. So there’s a bit of compromise in aesthetics, but car traffic impacts go down… these modern apartments can improve local housing values if done right.  This density also makes more frequent transit more likely for everyone.

      2. Alan Miller

        I do believe that you have overall twisted yourself into a pretzel on this stuff.

        I do like pretzels — with mustard, no salt.

        On the one hand, you oppose Measure J.

        Thanks for noticing 😐

        but are angry at Dan Carson.

        Not angry.  Disgusted.

        Wouldn’t it make more sense to donate and work to defeat Dan Carson . . .

        Done & Done

        . . . than it does to vote against a project that you like. . .

        I don’t like it.  I don’t like having a five-story building out my living room window either.  But if peeps have integrity, a decent project, and community benefit, I’ll consider support.  I was barely was on the support side, pre-Carson.

        and utilize a process you don’t like?

        I don’t like taxes either, but I work with what I’m given . . .

        1. David Greenwald

          “I don’t like taxes either, but I work with what I’m given . . .”

          That’s an exceedingly poor analogy, given that you are compelled by law to pay taxes so unless you wish to pull a Thoreau, you have no choice but to acede. On the other hand, you are choosing to not only participate but perpetuate a system you oppose by voting no in any Measure J election. You are trying to have it both ways – argue that we shouldn’t vote on projects and then using your vote to oppose a project. That’s a fundamental inconsistency.

  8. Richard_McCann

    The decline of NIMBY influence is driven by the unaffordability of housing for renters. An electorate with a large share of renters are now ready to vote down homeowners in those communities. Not sure where Davis will end up because while having a large share of renters, many are transient students who don’t participate much in local elections.

    1. Ron Oertel

      The decline of NIMBY influence is driven by the unaffordability of housing for renters. An electorate with a large share of renters are now ready to vote down homeowners in those communities.

      Those are generally two different groups.  Single-family dwellings are not going to be torn down in mass to convert to apartment buildings.  (And if they are, wouldn’t that deplete ownership opportunities for single-family dwellings?)

      Tenant advocacy groups support rent control and increased protections against evictions.  The development YIMBYs do not.

      San Francisco might be an exception, regarding replacement of single-family dwellings with group (megadorm-style) apartment housing for tech workers.  With resulting parking needs foisted upon the neighborhood as a whole.  (In the case below, even the bicycle parking and a “group kitchen” was proposed to be eliminated.)

      The developer is using the state Density Bonus Law to demand an extra floor because three of the units will be below-market rate. Combine that with the new group-housing concept, and you get a building that’s out of synch with the neighborhood and that will very likely wind up being corporate condos.

      But there’s a deeper issue that came up at the hearing: Private developers don’t make as much money building market-rate family units, so they are shifting to this kind of housing.

      Mandelman said that the Planning Department—which is decidedly pro-housing—was unable to make findings that found the six-story project was consistent with city policy.

      https://48hills.org/2022/03/bogus-group-housing-plan-approved-sort-of/

  9. Ron Oertel

    Just happened-upon this article.

    “What if California’s Housing Crunch Doesn’t Really Exist”?

    But a massive, multi-million-unit shortage? Maybe not. At least, so suggests a scathing springtime report from the non-partisan acting state auditor.

    The (state) Department of Housing and Community Development (HCD) has made errors when completing its needs assessments because it does not sufficiently review and verify data it uses,” the report deadpanned.

    Maybe that’s why as he campaigned in 2018, Gov. Gavin Newsom insisted California would need 3.5 million new housing units within eight years just to keep up. That would have been more than 400,000 homes, condos and apartments every year, all supposedly getting snapped up as increased supply caused prices to fall.

    None of this has happened. Housing construction never has topped 110,000 units per year during Newsom’s tenure, and a good share of those stand vacant. Newsom’s administration now says California needs 1.8 million new homes by 2030, a huge drop in his needs assessment after less than four years. What happened to the other half of what Newsom said was needed? Maybe the need never existed.

    Those earlier numbers stemmed in part from expert estimates that California’s high growth would continue indefinitely. We now see that is not automatic. Fewer newcomers mean less need for new homes.

    But the auditor’s report suggests even the 1.8 million housing units Newsom now says are needed by 2030 may be a gross exaggeration. One look at all the vacancy signs on apartment buildings and condominiums in major cities informally suggests this. But HCD does not lower its estimates of need.

    HCD does not have adequate review processes to ensure that its staff members accurately enter data that it uses in the needs assessments.”

    Which means leading state officials continually spout unsubstantiated, possibly phony, estimates of housing need. This should discredit any lawsuits Bonta threatens against cities.

    For the auditor’s finding means the state housing agency estimates have no proven basis.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/what-if-california-s-housing-crunch-doesn-t-really-exist/ar-AAWA1A0

      1. Ron Oertel

        Not familiar with him, but again – this refers to a state audit report, and includes quotes and data from that.

        So if you have a disagreement with the state auditor’s findings, maybe you should contact them.

        1. Ron Oertel

          It was widely covered.

          First I’ve heard of it, and I’m probably “fed” these articles via an algorithm.

          I think it was covered in the Vanguard.

          I think I would have noticed that, if it was.

          Right off the bat, I’m finding the figures regarding Newsom amusing. Both in terms of what’s been built, and the changing “need”.

        2. Ron Oertel

          Thanks.

          Looks like David limited his focus to “surplus” state property that might be used for Affordable housing.

          Hence, the reason I didn’t recall his “analysis”. Certainly a different focus than the article I cited.

          Both articles should probably include a link to the actual state audit.

  10. Todd Edelman

    Argh… David Greenwald’s constant stream of abuse of the truth makes me want to puke. Where should I puke? I can puke in the all large parking lots and empty fields spread all over the City, some close and some very close to Downtown and Campus.

    Sadly, many who lean quite Left and support the Vanguard’s actually good and principled stand on particular social justice issues – and I think similar with Mayor Partida – are completely silent with the way the Vanguard paints the diverse opposition to DISC – notably utilizing the amateur journalism of DISC- and Carson-supporters, and the Mayor’s arguments absent of any negatives about DISC, joining the Vanguard in saying that anything but DISC is impossible.

    With the Vanguard it’s unfortunate but it’s a kind of Goebbelsianisch storytelling – i.e. the repeating-the-lie-often-enough thing, which may have not been said by the former Minister of Propaganda, thus the “-isch” — and with Partida it’s even more unfortunate – as she was elected, etc. – as a kind of weaponization of equity.

    Anyway, branding is reductionist and abusive – and can be abused – but we need to think of other -IMBY-type terms, such as IAHBMSWJFE (I Have No Backyard, Make Something With Joy for Everyone) or IMSaQBY (In My Shared and Quiet Backyard) or CANBNSECEIMBYED (Cars Are Nice But No One Should Eat Cake In My Backyard Every Day)… and so on….

    1. Keith Y Echols

      Seriously dude….[edited]  I mean, if you have an opposing point of view, some new facts or a different interpretation of the YES campaign’s conclusions, by all means publish it.  But…geeze…your post is some piece of rambling….and that’s coming from a guy that often quotes “The Simpsons” and “South Park” in his comments.

  11. Ron Oertel

    By the way, what part of Davis was that photo (for the article) taken from?

    And, how much rent do they want for one of those enclosed cages in front? (Or, is that part of their “live/work” space? Maybe an architectural firm or something similar, in that work space?)

    Or is that just for chickens?

    I am glad to see some clothes air-drying, regardless.

  12. Rick Entrikin

    NIMBY, YIMBY, Conservative, Liberal, Red state, Blue state, Right-Wing, Left-wing, Democrat and Republican.

    This lazy lumping of complex, free-thinking, decision-making human beings into boxes of identical, “us” versus “them” widgets is  demeaning, divisive and, ultimately destructive to the concept of people of all persuasions working together for the common good.

    Some people seem to purposely nurture such divisions, using “divide and conquer” as a weapon to achieve their objectives.   Others just can’t seem to believe, or accept, the concept that people of different persuasions can, and must, work together to achieve real progress.

     

    1. Craig Ross

      Housing’s a weird dynamic. Some people make the mistake of believing that the center of power is the developer – they have the money, they buy the access.  The problem with that conception is that the gatekeepers are neighbors and homeowners. You might think of them as the little guy against the big developer.  The problem is that many homeowners are wealthy by definition since they own expensive houses and they can join together to have strength in numbers.  Who gets screwed?  The true little guy – the dude trying to buy a home or pay his rent.  Or the younger generation struggling to buy houses or afford their rent and pay the rest of their bills.

      1. Ron Oertel

        As far as rent, that’s what rent control is for.

        Younger people (in particular) also have to be willing to move.  And they are doing exactly that, for sound reasons.

        Even so, the “cheap” areas (such as Texas) have had some of the biggest run-up in housing prices, recently.  Florida has also been leading the way, regarding that. And most of those places have never met a development that they didn’t “like”. (For that matter, most of the region falls into that category, as well. When was the last time that Woodland turned down a housing development proposal, for example?)

        Davis itself is probably half made-up of expatriates from the Bay Area. And that trend has accelerated in recent years, throughout the Sacramento area.

        America itself is made-up of the descendants of people who “moved”.  (Well, they moved onto land that was partially-occupied by other people, but that’s another story.)

         

         

    2. Alan Miller

      This lazy lumping of complex, free-thinking, decision-making human beings into boxes of identical, “us” versus “them” widgets is  demeaning, divisive and, ultimately destructive to the concept of people of all persuasions working together for the common good.

      Amen, brother RE!

  13. Ron Oertel

    So yeah, if you don’t want to create local housing shortages, you might want to avoid approving a development that claims to create 2,500 jobs, while only providing 460 housing units.

    Creating demand for 1,269 additional housing units, beyond the 460 provided onsite (per the EIR).

    There is no plan to address this induced need.  Instead, the development activists are claiming that the existing housing element will be sufficient to accommodate this additional demand. (Keep in mind that these are the same folks who aren’t satisfied with the limited number of housing units in the housing element in the first place.)

    The problem being that the development advocates’ argument “pretends” that there is no other demand for additional housing.  (Keep in mind that these are the same folks who aren’t satisfied with the limited number of units in the housing element in the first place.) In other words, they’re now “suddenly” claiming that the housing element was “created” to accommodate the demand for DiSC, and is sufficient to accommodate the demand from DiSC and all of the other, pre-existing demand. (The exact opposite of what they usually claim.)

    Using their argument, the (current) housing element could be reduced by 1,269 housing units, if DiSC is not approved.

    1. Ron Oertel

      So, I don’t know if I’ve explained this clearly enough, but if not – I’m not sure I can help anyone see how duplicitous they actually are.

      This goes beyond the “normal” nonsense on here, and speaks to a lack of personal integrity from these people. They’re speaking out of both sides of their mouth, and undermining their own stated “concerns”.

    2. Ron Oertel

      So yeah, I’m going to ask again why the development activists claim that pre-existing housing plans (in the form of the housing element) are intended to accommodate the increased demand from a proposal (DiSC) which hasn’t even been approved, and wasn’t even considered when establishing the housing element.

      And if the EIR itself is claiming this, then the EIR is making that same illogical assumption.  While it simultaneously notes that the proposal itself creates additional demand for 1,729 housing units, of which only 460 are provided onsite. Again, this demand is NOT accounted for, in the current housing element. This isn’t even a matter of dispute – it’s simply a fact.

      Think about this overnight (Craig, David, or Wesley) so that you’re prepared to answer your illogical claim when challenged again.  (Really, there’s no way to prepare for it – even if you “team up” to try to figure out a response.)

       

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