In the letter, Mr. Onkar (Mike) Gill of Yolo Vinyards writes:
“My intention for the development is to construct several ‘Big Box’ stores, a shopping center, restaurants, a gas station and high density housing. Due to the commercial nature of the development and the location, which will attract a high volume of customers, Yolo Marketplace would provide the community with significant additional revenue, services and job opportunities.
I have been contacted by several national retailers who have expressed interest in the site since it has easy access off State Route 1 13 and is quite accessible from either Interstate 5 or Interstate 80.”
He writes the Board of Supervisors because he needs to change the usage of the land to commercial.
Now this proposal never came before the planning commission, it was sent to the Supervisors just a days prior to their first hearing on the General Plan. This entire thing seems pretty strange for such a massive project. Make no mistake: this would be a major, major endeavor. Not one big box, but “several.” Plus a high density housing project.
The developer claims that he has three votes on the Board of Supervisors. I do not buy that for a minute. Rexroad has strongly criticized it on his blog saying, “So in that light, the chances of me supporting this proposal are about the same as the Sacramento Kings winning the Super Bowl on Sunday….not impossible but extrememly unlikely.” I’m not sure what Rexroad’s measure of impossibility is, but I’ll go out on the limb and say the Kings will never ever win the Super Bowl.
I am fairly sure I see at least three votes against this proposal. However, I find the approach and audacity of this developer maddening. For a such a massive proposal, you would think he would realize he needed to have much more than just a letter to get the proposal moving.
However, I have decided to post this article mainly because I believe that Davis residents have not paid sufficient attention to the County General Plan process. Some involved in the process have expressed surprise that the Oeste Ranch project, which is in the General Plan, has not created more of a stir. Of course it helps when the local paper is not making a big production out of it. We should not take for granted what the County will do in terms of development not only in our direct sphere of influence but in areas just outside it such as this proposal.
—Doug Paul Davis reporting
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The Vanguard AGAIN outperforms the Enterprise in helping us to be informed citizens and voters. Davis voters have been woefully uninformed about the details of County politics when we vote for our Supervisor representatives. The People’s Vanguard of Davis has stepped in to
help fill that information vacuum.
The Vanguard AGAIN outperforms the Enterprise in helping us to be informed citizens and voters. Davis voters have been woefully uninformed about the details of County politics when we vote for our Supervisor representatives. The People’s Vanguard of Davis has stepped in to
help fill that information vacuum.
The Vanguard AGAIN outperforms the Enterprise in helping us to be informed citizens and voters. Davis voters have been woefully uninformed about the details of County politics when we vote for our Supervisor representatives. The People’s Vanguard of Davis has stepped in to
help fill that information vacuum.
While I agree this project is a bad idea, there is no reason for it to go to the Planning Commission, as that only occurs after a developer submits a development application and an action (or recommendation) can be taken by the Commission. The developer is fishing for political support first.
While I agree this project is a bad idea, there is no reason for it to go to the Planning Commission, as that only occurs after a developer submits a development application and an action (or recommendation) can be taken by the Commission. The developer is fishing for political support first.
While I agree this project is a bad idea, there is no reason for it to go to the Planning Commission, as that only occurs after a developer submits a development application and an action (or recommendation) can be taken by the Commission. The developer is fishing for political support first.
While I agree this project is a bad idea, there is no reason for it to go to the Planning Commission, as that only occurs after a developer submits a development application and an action (or recommendation) can be taken by the Commission. The developer is fishing for political support first.
One unfortunate fact about the area where this land owner wants to build his big box mall is that the city of Woodland has been building new municipal buildings closer and closer to Road 25, where he owns his land. I don’t know specifically where the ULL ends north of 25, but it can’t be too far. With no significant streets or other physical barriers between Road 25 and the new Woodland Senior Center and Community Center, I imagine that the pressure will build up for some time for more growth that way.
My suggestion to Woodland would be to build a big trench (or moat or fortress wall) to demarcate where the city ends in that area. That would hopefully send a stronger signal to nearby land speculators that they are outside the ULL and hence, SOL.
One unfortunate fact about the area where this land owner wants to build his big box mall is that the city of Woodland has been building new municipal buildings closer and closer to Road 25, where he owns his land. I don’t know specifically where the ULL ends north of 25, but it can’t be too far. With no significant streets or other physical barriers between Road 25 and the new Woodland Senior Center and Community Center, I imagine that the pressure will build up for some time for more growth that way.
My suggestion to Woodland would be to build a big trench (or moat or fortress wall) to demarcate where the city ends in that area. That would hopefully send a stronger signal to nearby land speculators that they are outside the ULL and hence, SOL.
One unfortunate fact about the area where this land owner wants to build his big box mall is that the city of Woodland has been building new municipal buildings closer and closer to Road 25, where he owns his land. I don’t know specifically where the ULL ends north of 25, but it can’t be too far. With no significant streets or other physical barriers between Road 25 and the new Woodland Senior Center and Community Center, I imagine that the pressure will build up for some time for more growth that way.
My suggestion to Woodland would be to build a big trench (or moat or fortress wall) to demarcate where the city ends in that area. That would hopefully send a stronger signal to nearby land speculators that they are outside the ULL and hence, SOL.
One unfortunate fact about the area where this land owner wants to build his big box mall is that the city of Woodland has been building new municipal buildings closer and closer to Road 25, where he owns his land. I don’t know specifically where the ULL ends north of 25, but it can’t be too far. With no significant streets or other physical barriers between Road 25 and the new Woodland Senior Center and Community Center, I imagine that the pressure will build up for some time for more growth that way.
My suggestion to Woodland would be to build a big trench (or moat or fortress wall) to demarcate where the city ends in that area. That would hopefully send a stronger signal to nearby land speculators that they are outside the ULL and hence, SOL.
The Urban limit Line splits the land in half. Sounds like the people of Woodland have already voted for half of it. It would just be fight over who would get the revenue, the city or the county. A vote in Woodland could change the line and include it all if they were smart. You have 4000 new homes in springlake with no shopping anywhere nearby. Who would not vote for it.
The Urban limit Line splits the land in half. Sounds like the people of Woodland have already voted for half of it. It would just be fight over who would get the revenue, the city or the county. A vote in Woodland could change the line and include it all if they were smart. You have 4000 new homes in springlake with no shopping anywhere nearby. Who would not vote for it.
The Urban limit Line splits the land in half. Sounds like the people of Woodland have already voted for half of it. It would just be fight over who would get the revenue, the city or the county. A vote in Woodland could change the line and include it all if they were smart. You have 4000 new homes in springlake with no shopping anywhere nearby. Who would not vote for it.
The Urban limit Line splits the land in half. Sounds like the people of Woodland have already voted for half of it. It would just be fight over who would get the revenue, the city or the county. A vote in Woodland could change the line and include it all if they were smart. You have 4000 new homes in springlake with no shopping anywhere nearby. Who would not vote for it.
As a Woodland Res and Business Owner I am deeply saddened by some of your comments on this blog especially the author. Davis voters okay’d a new target (already in Woodland) you okay’d a new gottshalks (already in Woodland) and yet here is a guy as some of you refer to a (developer)wanting to bring stores that most yolo county residents are currently shopping at. Guess what people were get nothing, no sales tax, no revenue of any sorts from it.
Wait that’s right the city and the county have so much money they don’t need it. Get a clue in order for any community to survive you have to have income. Try paying bills with no income.
We can keep building houses ie.. springlake, knights landing. Where do you want to keep sending those people shopping? outside of the county to give sac and salano county our money?? Get real. In order for any city, county to withstand the usage of more residents to this county they need funds to maintain roads, parks, etc… So next time you use that free city , county library think about where you shop and why would an overwhelming majority shop outside of Davis, Woodland, there is nothing to keep us shopping here.
Case in point at career day at a junior high I asked kids where they shopped any guesses?? The majority said the arden fair mall. As well as the mall and outlet stores in Vacaville. Hmm who drives them there?
We must do everything we can to keep people shopping in yolo county. It is essential to keep our tax dollars here.
I will give you something to consider. In Woodland we had an opportunity to have a Lowes or a Home Depot. Guess we know who got chosen. So we all (most of us) know that there is a home depot off truxel road. So my argument is this I strongly supported the Lowes why because having a Lowes would have drawn Natomas resident’s to Woodland’s Lowes ie.. generating more sales tax revenue.
Business 101 people! Instead we have a small home depot that never has anything in stock which forces us to drive to Truxel good move city council.
So keep this in mind folks.
In order for any developer to support any community he or she has to make money correct? Well guess if they never are allowed to make money, then you all need to dig deep in your pockets for the extra money that schools, non-profits etc… they certainly rely heavily own donations to stay afloat. so what’s the biggest amount of money that you given non-profit schools.
As a Woodland Res and Business Owner I am deeply saddened by some of your comments on this blog especially the author. Davis voters okay’d a new target (already in Woodland) you okay’d a new gottshalks (already in Woodland) and yet here is a guy as some of you refer to a (developer)wanting to bring stores that most yolo county residents are currently shopping at. Guess what people were get nothing, no sales tax, no revenue of any sorts from it.
Wait that’s right the city and the county have so much money they don’t need it. Get a clue in order for any community to survive you have to have income. Try paying bills with no income.
We can keep building houses ie.. springlake, knights landing. Where do you want to keep sending those people shopping? outside of the county to give sac and salano county our money?? Get real. In order for any city, county to withstand the usage of more residents to this county they need funds to maintain roads, parks, etc… So next time you use that free city , county library think about where you shop and why would an overwhelming majority shop outside of Davis, Woodland, there is nothing to keep us shopping here.
Case in point at career day at a junior high I asked kids where they shopped any guesses?? The majority said the arden fair mall. As well as the mall and outlet stores in Vacaville. Hmm who drives them there?
We must do everything we can to keep people shopping in yolo county. It is essential to keep our tax dollars here.
I will give you something to consider. In Woodland we had an opportunity to have a Lowes or a Home Depot. Guess we know who got chosen. So we all (most of us) know that there is a home depot off truxel road. So my argument is this I strongly supported the Lowes why because having a Lowes would have drawn Natomas resident’s to Woodland’s Lowes ie.. generating more sales tax revenue.
Business 101 people! Instead we have a small home depot that never has anything in stock which forces us to drive to Truxel good move city council.
So keep this in mind folks.
In order for any developer to support any community he or she has to make money correct? Well guess if they never are allowed to make money, then you all need to dig deep in your pockets for the extra money that schools, non-profits etc… they certainly rely heavily own donations to stay afloat. so what’s the biggest amount of money that you given non-profit schools.
As a Woodland Res and Business Owner I am deeply saddened by some of your comments on this blog especially the author. Davis voters okay’d a new target (already in Woodland) you okay’d a new gottshalks (already in Woodland) and yet here is a guy as some of you refer to a (developer)wanting to bring stores that most yolo county residents are currently shopping at. Guess what people were get nothing, no sales tax, no revenue of any sorts from it.
Wait that’s right the city and the county have so much money they don’t need it. Get a clue in order for any community to survive you have to have income. Try paying bills with no income.
We can keep building houses ie.. springlake, knights landing. Where do you want to keep sending those people shopping? outside of the county to give sac and salano county our money?? Get real. In order for any city, county to withstand the usage of more residents to this county they need funds to maintain roads, parks, etc… So next time you use that free city , county library think about where you shop and why would an overwhelming majority shop outside of Davis, Woodland, there is nothing to keep us shopping here.
Case in point at career day at a junior high I asked kids where they shopped any guesses?? The majority said the arden fair mall. As well as the mall and outlet stores in Vacaville. Hmm who drives them there?
We must do everything we can to keep people shopping in yolo county. It is essential to keep our tax dollars here.
I will give you something to consider. In Woodland we had an opportunity to have a Lowes or a Home Depot. Guess we know who got chosen. So we all (most of us) know that there is a home depot off truxel road. So my argument is this I strongly supported the Lowes why because having a Lowes would have drawn Natomas resident’s to Woodland’s Lowes ie.. generating more sales tax revenue.
Business 101 people! Instead we have a small home depot that never has anything in stock which forces us to drive to Truxel good move city council.
So keep this in mind folks.
In order for any developer to support any community he or she has to make money correct? Well guess if they never are allowed to make money, then you all need to dig deep in your pockets for the extra money that schools, non-profits etc… they certainly rely heavily own donations to stay afloat. so what’s the biggest amount of money that you given non-profit schools.
As a Woodland Res and Business Owner I am deeply saddened by some of your comments on this blog especially the author. Davis voters okay’d a new target (already in Woodland) you okay’d a new gottshalks (already in Woodland) and yet here is a guy as some of you refer to a (developer)wanting to bring stores that most yolo county residents are currently shopping at. Guess what people were get nothing, no sales tax, no revenue of any sorts from it.
Wait that’s right the city and the county have so much money they don’t need it. Get a clue in order for any community to survive you have to have income. Try paying bills with no income.
We can keep building houses ie.. springlake, knights landing. Where do you want to keep sending those people shopping? outside of the county to give sac and salano county our money?? Get real. In order for any city, county to withstand the usage of more residents to this county they need funds to maintain roads, parks, etc… So next time you use that free city , county library think about where you shop and why would an overwhelming majority shop outside of Davis, Woodland, there is nothing to keep us shopping here.
Case in point at career day at a junior high I asked kids where they shopped any guesses?? The majority said the arden fair mall. As well as the mall and outlet stores in Vacaville. Hmm who drives them there?
We must do everything we can to keep people shopping in yolo county. It is essential to keep our tax dollars here.
I will give you something to consider. In Woodland we had an opportunity to have a Lowes or a Home Depot. Guess we know who got chosen. So we all (most of us) know that there is a home depot off truxel road. So my argument is this I strongly supported the Lowes why because having a Lowes would have drawn Natomas resident’s to Woodland’s Lowes ie.. generating more sales tax revenue.
Business 101 people! Instead we have a small home depot that never has anything in stock which forces us to drive to Truxel good move city council.
So keep this in mind folks.
In order for any developer to support any community he or she has to make money correct? Well guess if they never are allowed to make money, then you all need to dig deep in your pockets for the extra money that schools, non-profits etc… they certainly rely heavily own donations to stay afloat. so what’s the biggest amount of money that you given non-profit schools.
Anonymous draws perhaps the most ridiculous conclusion by asserting that we should do everything we can to keep people shopping in Yolo County. Anonymous cites “Business 101” principles to support the claim.
However, this spurious line of thinking is what perpetuates the continued unsustatinable energy-intensive development patterns that plague our region and all the problems the residents complain about (traffic congestion, air quality, etc.).
I counter that quality of life is far more important than local shopping. Perhaps anonymous should consider integrating “Urban Design 101” into his/her worldview as big-box retail adds nothing to a community’s quality of life except….cheap goods. They are embarrassments to urban form and I cannot think of a single example where they have contributed to the quality of the urban environment, and hence, quality of life.
So anonymous can continue to support the dead-end idea of chasing sales-tax dollars to fund roads and parks, but Davis residents have demonstrated a willingness to protect their quality of life by not only once but twice passing, by wide margins, parcel-level taxes to ensure we have adequate funding for our parks and libraries. Alternatives to big-box do exist!
I challenge anyone to cite a City that has embraced the “big-box” concept on a large scale and also has the quality of life Davis offers.
Either way, residents pay…through sales tax or property tax. Doesn’t really matter now, does it. The question ultimately reverts to, what does big box add to the quality of life of a town? Nothing except convenience and cheap goods. The lowest common denominator. Conversely, there are countless disbenefits to big box retail.
Anonymous draws perhaps the most ridiculous conclusion by asserting that we should do everything we can to keep people shopping in Yolo County. Anonymous cites “Business 101” principles to support the claim.
However, this spurious line of thinking is what perpetuates the continued unsustatinable energy-intensive development patterns that plague our region and all the problems the residents complain about (traffic congestion, air quality, etc.).
I counter that quality of life is far more important than local shopping. Perhaps anonymous should consider integrating “Urban Design 101” into his/her worldview as big-box retail adds nothing to a community’s quality of life except….cheap goods. They are embarrassments to urban form and I cannot think of a single example where they have contributed to the quality of the urban environment, and hence, quality of life.
So anonymous can continue to support the dead-end idea of chasing sales-tax dollars to fund roads and parks, but Davis residents have demonstrated a willingness to protect their quality of life by not only once but twice passing, by wide margins, parcel-level taxes to ensure we have adequate funding for our parks and libraries. Alternatives to big-box do exist!
I challenge anyone to cite a City that has embraced the “big-box” concept on a large scale and also has the quality of life Davis offers.
Either way, residents pay…through sales tax or property tax. Doesn’t really matter now, does it. The question ultimately reverts to, what does big box add to the quality of life of a town? Nothing except convenience and cheap goods. The lowest common denominator. Conversely, there are countless disbenefits to big box retail.
Anonymous draws perhaps the most ridiculous conclusion by asserting that we should do everything we can to keep people shopping in Yolo County. Anonymous cites “Business 101” principles to support the claim.
However, this spurious line of thinking is what perpetuates the continued unsustatinable energy-intensive development patterns that plague our region and all the problems the residents complain about (traffic congestion, air quality, etc.).
I counter that quality of life is far more important than local shopping. Perhaps anonymous should consider integrating “Urban Design 101” into his/her worldview as big-box retail adds nothing to a community’s quality of life except….cheap goods. They are embarrassments to urban form and I cannot think of a single example where they have contributed to the quality of the urban environment, and hence, quality of life.
So anonymous can continue to support the dead-end idea of chasing sales-tax dollars to fund roads and parks, but Davis residents have demonstrated a willingness to protect their quality of life by not only once but twice passing, by wide margins, parcel-level taxes to ensure we have adequate funding for our parks and libraries. Alternatives to big-box do exist!
I challenge anyone to cite a City that has embraced the “big-box” concept on a large scale and also has the quality of life Davis offers.
Either way, residents pay…through sales tax or property tax. Doesn’t really matter now, does it. The question ultimately reverts to, what does big box add to the quality of life of a town? Nothing except convenience and cheap goods. The lowest common denominator. Conversely, there are countless disbenefits to big box retail.
Anonymous draws perhaps the most ridiculous conclusion by asserting that we should do everything we can to keep people shopping in Yolo County. Anonymous cites “Business 101” principles to support the claim.
However, this spurious line of thinking is what perpetuates the continued unsustatinable energy-intensive development patterns that plague our region and all the problems the residents complain about (traffic congestion, air quality, etc.).
I counter that quality of life is far more important than local shopping. Perhaps anonymous should consider integrating “Urban Design 101” into his/her worldview as big-box retail adds nothing to a community’s quality of life except….cheap goods. They are embarrassments to urban form and I cannot think of a single example where they have contributed to the quality of the urban environment, and hence, quality of life.
So anonymous can continue to support the dead-end idea of chasing sales-tax dollars to fund roads and parks, but Davis residents have demonstrated a willingness to protect their quality of life by not only once but twice passing, by wide margins, parcel-level taxes to ensure we have adequate funding for our parks and libraries. Alternatives to big-box do exist!
I challenge anyone to cite a City that has embraced the “big-box” concept on a large scale and also has the quality of life Davis offers.
Either way, residents pay…through sales tax or property tax. Doesn’t really matter now, does it. The question ultimately reverts to, what does big box add to the quality of life of a town? Nothing except convenience and cheap goods. The lowest common denominator. Conversely, there are countless disbenefits to big box retail.
And for that more people move to Woodland because of the cost of homes in Davis. Good for Davis.
Quality of life?? Fact if it were not for the university you would be like West Sac.
And since your from Davis and you praise what you have done for Davis then why are you so concerned in Woodland business?? I don’t see Woodland residents jumping into your issues
And for that more people move to Woodland because of the cost of homes in Davis. Good for Davis.
Quality of life?? Fact if it were not for the university you would be like West Sac.
And since your from Davis and you praise what you have done for Davis then why are you so concerned in Woodland business?? I don’t see Woodland residents jumping into your issues
And for that more people move to Woodland because of the cost of homes in Davis. Good for Davis.
Quality of life?? Fact if it were not for the university you would be like West Sac.
And since your from Davis and you praise what you have done for Davis then why are you so concerned in Woodland business?? I don’t see Woodland residents jumping into your issues
And for that more people move to Woodland because of the cost of homes in Davis. Good for Davis.
Quality of life?? Fact if it were not for the university you would be like West Sac.
And since your from Davis and you praise what you have done for Davis then why are you so concerned in Woodland business?? I don’t see Woodland residents jumping into your issues
A few things here.
First this is county land, a county issue, not Woodland land (at least most of it) or exclusively a Woodland issue.
Second, this is county land five miles from Davis, which means it will effect Davis every bit as much as it will Woodland–that includes traffic, pollution, etc.
A few things here.
First this is county land, a county issue, not Woodland land (at least most of it) or exclusively a Woodland issue.
Second, this is county land five miles from Davis, which means it will effect Davis every bit as much as it will Woodland–that includes traffic, pollution, etc.
A few things here.
First this is county land, a county issue, not Woodland land (at least most of it) or exclusively a Woodland issue.
Second, this is county land five miles from Davis, which means it will effect Davis every bit as much as it will Woodland–that includes traffic, pollution, etc.
A few things here.
First this is county land, a county issue, not Woodland land (at least most of it) or exclusively a Woodland issue.
Second, this is county land five miles from Davis, which means it will effect Davis every bit as much as it will Woodland–that includes traffic, pollution, etc.
Rexroad said he is fine with the idea if it were next to Sutter Davis. I think 25A and 113 is a perfect location. Woodland needs jobs and shopping for our inclusive town. We have a pathetic downtown and a pathetic mall. Why should we have to drive to Natomas just to eat?
Rexroad said he is fine with the idea if it were next to Sutter Davis. I think 25A and 113 is a perfect location. Woodland needs jobs and shopping for our inclusive town. We have a pathetic downtown and a pathetic mall. Why should we have to drive to Natomas just to eat?
Rexroad said he is fine with the idea if it were next to Sutter Davis. I think 25A and 113 is a perfect location. Woodland needs jobs and shopping for our inclusive town. We have a pathetic downtown and a pathetic mall. Why should we have to drive to Natomas just to eat?
Rexroad said he is fine with the idea if it were next to Sutter Davis. I think 25A and 113 is a perfect location. Woodland needs jobs and shopping for our inclusive town. We have a pathetic downtown and a pathetic mall. Why should we have to drive to Natomas just to eat?
First, for the record, I was a Woodland resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and local business patron for three years.
Second, as DPD alludes, this was a County development idea and my comments were oriented as such. It is NOT a Davis vs. Woodland issue, but the effects of big-box development and how chasing sales tax dollars affects quality of life. I cited Davis as an example of a city that has adopted an alternate means of ensuring adequate funding for civic amenities.
I could offer plenty of rebuttals to your comments and accusations, but they’re off topic and do not contribute to the conversation. You may want to adopt a similar approach to your posts.
First, for the record, I was a Woodland resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and local business patron for three years.
Second, as DPD alludes, this was a County development idea and my comments were oriented as such. It is NOT a Davis vs. Woodland issue, but the effects of big-box development and how chasing sales tax dollars affects quality of life. I cited Davis as an example of a city that has adopted an alternate means of ensuring adequate funding for civic amenities.
I could offer plenty of rebuttals to your comments and accusations, but they’re off topic and do not contribute to the conversation. You may want to adopt a similar approach to your posts.
First, for the record, I was a Woodland resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and local business patron for three years.
Second, as DPD alludes, this was a County development idea and my comments were oriented as such. It is NOT a Davis vs. Woodland issue, but the effects of big-box development and how chasing sales tax dollars affects quality of life. I cited Davis as an example of a city that has adopted an alternate means of ensuring adequate funding for civic amenities.
I could offer plenty of rebuttals to your comments and accusations, but they’re off topic and do not contribute to the conversation. You may want to adopt a similar approach to your posts.
First, for the record, I was a Woodland resident, homeowner, taxpayer, and local business patron for three years.
Second, as DPD alludes, this was a County development idea and my comments were oriented as such. It is NOT a Davis vs. Woodland issue, but the effects of big-box development and how chasing sales tax dollars affects quality of life. I cited Davis as an example of a city that has adopted an alternate means of ensuring adequate funding for civic amenities.
I could offer plenty of rebuttals to your comments and accusations, but they’re off topic and do not contribute to the conversation. You may want to adopt a similar approach to your posts.
lets here your arguments against. So all of us can address each one. Pro or Con
lets here your arguments against. So all of us can address each one. Pro or Con
lets here your arguments against. So all of us can address each one. Pro or Con
lets here your arguments against. So all of us can address each one. Pro or Con