Talking about Race in the Presidential Campaign and in America

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There have been a string of incidents in the past few days where the ugly face of racism has popped into the Presidential race. There is the unforgettable and unforgivable image of Obama on “food stamp” bill it features the unmistakable images of fried chicken and watermelon, the cultural stereotypes of African-Americans as lazy people who are on food stamps and welfare and eat nothing but fried chicken and watermelon.
Meanwhile in a more ominous development, CBS News in Atlanta reports this week:

“A racist letter is circulating in the Kirkwood neighborhood in southeast Atlanta. Residents are hurt and angry about the hate being spread through their community. CBS 46 News first told you about a hate letter received by minorities in Clayton County. Now residents here in southeast Atlanta are coming forward about another hate letter that was distributed last week.”

I post the letter here as transcribed and redacted:

“TO THE XXXXXXX THAT KEEP BREAKING INTO ALL THE HONEST PEOPLES’ HOMES THAT ACTUALLY WORK FOR A LIVING HERE IN KIRKWOOD XXXXXXXXXX OFF!

YOU’RE TRASH AND DON’T DESERVE TO BE ALIVE! YOU OUGHT TO BE IN JAIL, WITH THE REST OF YOUR “BROTHAS” SILLY XXXXXX IT’LL HAPPEN SOON, AS YOU’RE SO STUPID THAT YOU’LL GET CAUGHT EVENTUALLY.

IT’S AMAZING YOU’VE MADE IT THIS FAR AND HAVEN’T EITHER DIED OF A GUNSHOT, CRACK OVERDOSE, SOME KIND OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASE FROM ALL THE CRACK XXXXX BABY MOMMAS OUT THERE (WELL TRUTHFULLY, ALL THE SINGLE BLACK BABY MOMMAS OUT THERE HAVE SOME KIND OF BAD DISEASE I’M SURE, JUST LOOK AT THEM WORTHLESS INDIVIDUALS REALLY, NO GOOD SENSE – THEM.)

JUST AS WORTHLESS AS ALL THE BLACK MALES TH— THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WALKING AROUND AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT —“

CNN reported yesterday there was another letter that ended as follows:

“The next time you come into my yard or walk down my street, I will be taking aim, shooting and asking questions later, not that anyone would miss you. I do have a few shallow graves that need filling.”

This is clearly disturbing stuff which comes on the heels of more insinuations that Barack Obama is a Muslim, that he is linked to terrorists, and of course that his middle name sounds like that of a certain former and deceased leader in Iraq and his last name is one letter off from a certain other enemy of this country.

I still think the best line he had the other night at the Alfred E. Smith dinner was this one:

“I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn’t realize I would run for president.”

All kidding aside, I think it is easy to get discouraged about reading this stuff and realizing that there are still people out there that think this way.

There was a line in the newscast in Atlanta that read:

“People said they thought we were in different times now.”

Guess what folks, we are in different times now. I am too young to have lived in the 60s, but many who read this blog on a regular basis are not. In the scheme of things, 40 or 50 years is not that long a time. A few weeks ago I was reading the true account of what happened in Mississippi in the early 1960s when three civil rights leaders were murdered trying to register African-Americans to vote. This was the story that became the movie, Mississippi Burning.

And yes, as we are well aware, the issue of enfranchisement and voting has not altogether left us, as the Supreme Court decision allowing 200,000 people in Ohio to vote yesterday clearly illustrates.

But the thing about the incident in Mississippi was that the Klan killed those civil rights lawyers with direct assistance from law enforcement. The FBI had to come in to investigate and they could only get the ringleaders convicted on federal charges of civil rights violations. These people got away with murder and received very short sentences and they have never been re-tried in state court.

In Georgia local police are investigating these incidents as hate crimes and now the Secret Service has gotten involved. The world has changed. Republican leaders are appalled at these acts. Now we know that some local leadership has perpetuated some of the hate attacks as well, but for the most part, decent people are appalled at the display of hate and racism. It is no longer acceptable.

Things are different in this country. They are not perfect in this country. Racism is not gone from this country. But it is no longer acceptable in polite circles. It is no longer PC. I hate the word PC. It diminishes the import of something like this. It is not that it is not PC, it is that is plain old wrong.

And yet, even after watching the news coverage this week, even after watching this story from Sacramento:

“Offensive material was posted on the local Republican Party Web site supervised by [Craig] MacGlashan [chairman of the Sacramento County Republican Party] earlier this week. Republican leaders removed from the official party Web site material that sought to link Sen. Barack Obama to Osama bin Laden and encouraged people to “Waterboard Barack Obama.”

Here was his original response:

“Originally, MacGlashan was noncommittal about the content.

“Some people find it offensive, others do not,” he said. “I cannot comment on how people interpret things.”

 

However, the heat must have gotten to him:

 

” upon further review he made a mistake.

“Let’s face it, I screwed up,” he said in a press release…

“When asked about the site by a reporter, my first thought was not to beat up on this volunteer, when I should have thought first about doing the right thing — taking it down and condemning the material,” MacGlashan said. “At first I did not realize how offensive the material was, and in the rush to move past it, I didn’t take it seriously enough.”

 

Maybe. But here’s my point, and I think the bottom line here is important. You may or may not question whether MacGlashan really got the message that this inappropriate. However, the fact remains that the Republicans yanked it down either because they believe that the message was inappropriate (I actually would like to believe that) or because they knew the material would hurt their image. And that means that the public would find that message unacceptable.

We are just two weeks away from electing a black man as President of the United States. Barring the unforeseen that is going to happen. The fact that a black man was nominated as the party nominee for the Democratic Party, the fact that to do it he had to defeat a very powerful figure in her own right, the fact that he is now in position to become President is absolutely not only amazing but reassuring. We are not beyond racism by any means, many in the black community continue to live second class existences and carry the burden of hundreds of years of racism, slavery, and legalized segregation. We are not over that yet. But for the first it really looks like we are taking steps to get over that. This is huge.

People are now worried about the Bradley effect. The Bradley-Deukmejian race occurred in 1982–26 years ago if you can believe that. The Bradley effect is the supposed impact that white voters do not want to acknowledge their racial prejudices to pollsters and therefore conceal their preferences for the white candidate.

Remember 26 years is a long time. It was only a few short years after the busing controversy. Just 14 years after MLK’s assassination. It was right about the time when MLK day became a national holiday. I was just reading a book about Nixon and Watergate and one of the points that came up is that Nixon was criticized by people in his inner circles for going to MLK’s funeral in 1968. MLK at that time was a hugely polarizing figure. It is easy to forget that now. I diverge if only to illustrate that 1982 was not far removed from that era. Just as things that happened in 1994 do not seem that far off to many of us.

But I read a very interesting analysis about the Bradley effect is that there wasn’t a Bradley-effect in the 1982 California Governor’s election. What happened was very simple. Exit polls predicted that Bradley would win on election and he did win on election day. He lost narrowly at the end of the day because Deukmejian heavily won the absentee ballots. The Bradley effect is a misnomer and empirically unfounded.

There is a reason for that. Voters do not face that kind of cognitive disonnance that is described in the Bradley-effect. Voters make a judgment as to who they will vote for and then they will rationalize and justify it in their mind. In my days as a political science researcher, it was clear that voters are not generally able to articulate why they make a decision. They make a decision and then rely on rationalizations that are at the top of their mind. Hence political-psychological theories of voting and the voter decision do not square with the core assumption behind the Bradley-effect that voters will need to disguise their intentions in order to cover for their racial prejudices.

Final point here, the New York Times has an article this morning that is pretty amazing. First, it is expect that Barack Obama will announce that he raised $100 million last month, shattering previous records. He has such a cash discrepancy that he is pounding McCain across the country on the airwaves at a rate of over 4 to 1.

Look at the graphic to the right, and you can see the sudden surge of money. And this was part of his strategy. He was holding back his money until the last three weeks of the election and then he has unleashed it.

The NY Times writes:

 

“With advertisements running repeatedly day and night, on local stations and on the major broadcast networks, on niche cable networks and even on video games and his own dedicated satellite channels, Mr. Obama is now outadvertising Senator John McCain nationwide by a ratio of at least four to one, according to CMAG, a service that monitors political advertising. That difference is even larger in several closely contested states.”

 

The article continues:

 

“While Mr. Obama has held a spending advantage throughout the general election campaign, his television dominance has become most apparent in the last few weeks. He has gone on a buying binge of television time that has allowed him to swamp Mr. McCain’s campaign with concurrent lines of positive and negative messages. Mr. Obama’s advertisements come as Republicans have begun a blitz of automated telephone calls attacking him.”

 

Finally, the mix of negative to positive is interesting:

 

“The most recent analysis of the presidential advertisements by the University of Wisconsin, based on the period from Sept. 28 through Oct. 4, found that nearly 100 percent of Mr. McCain’s commercials included an attack on Mr. Obama and that 34 percent of Mr. Obama’s advertisements, which were more focused that week on promoting his agenda, included an attack on Mr. McCain.

That finding reflected the McCain campaign’s strategy of trying to make Mr. Obama an unacceptable choice in the eyes of undecided voters and Mr. Obama’s goal of making undecided voters comfortable with him.

But the Wisconsin Advertising Project says that since Mr. Obama wrapped up the Democratic nomination in June, 54 percent of Mr. McCain’s advertisements have been completely focused on attacking him, roughly a quarter have mixed criticism of Mr. Obama with a positive message about Mr. McCain, and 20 percent have been devoted solely to promoting Mr. McCain.

In the same period, the study found that 41 percent of Mr. Obama’s advertisements had been devoted solely to attacking Mr. McCain, one-fifth mixed criticism of Mr. McCain with a positive message about Mr. Obama, and 38 percent were solely devoted to promoting Mr. Obama. “

 

Now this follows the announcement by Major League Baseball to delay the start of the sixth game of the World Series in order to allow FOX to broadcast Barack Obama’s thirty minute campaign advertisement.

Again, not saying that the election is over, but Obama is in very good shape at this point. And that does not even mention the Obama ground organization that is mobilized to get out the vote in a way that we have never seen before in our times. The polls now show anywhere between about a 4 and 8 or 9 point lead for Obama, but with these efforts, the polls may understate the eventual outcome and if Obama pulls a landslide, the Senate may indeed end up with a filibuster proof majority.

We can lament the tone and some of the racial attacks that have come out in the last few weeks, but I think that misses the amazing sea-change that has occurred in this country. This is a time of hope. And I think it is a time that many Americans never thought they would live to see. Whether you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent or Third Party, I think this is a good thing.

—Doug Paul Davis reporting

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104 thoughts on “Talking about Race in the Presidential Campaign and in America”

  1. Anonymous

    “Final point here, the New York Times has an article this morning that is pretty amazing. First, it is expect that Barack Obama will announce that he raised $100 million last month, shattering previous records. He has such a cash discrepancy that he is pounding McCain across the country on the airwaves at a rate of over 4 to 1.”

    If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.

  2. Anonymous

    “Final point here, the New York Times has an article this morning that is pretty amazing. First, it is expect that Barack Obama will announce that he raised $100 million last month, shattering previous records. He has such a cash discrepancy that he is pounding McCain across the country on the airwaves at a rate of over 4 to 1.”

    If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.

  3. Anonymous

    “Final point here, the New York Times has an article this morning that is pretty amazing. First, it is expect that Barack Obama will announce that he raised $100 million last month, shattering previous records. He has such a cash discrepancy that he is pounding McCain across the country on the airwaves at a rate of over 4 to 1.”

    If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.

  4. Anonymous

    “Final point here, the New York Times has an article this morning that is pretty amazing. First, it is expect that Barack Obama will announce that he raised $100 million last month, shattering previous records. He has such a cash discrepancy that he is pounding McCain across the country on the airwaves at a rate of over 4 to 1.”

    If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.

  5. Obama is racist

    Well, that is a nice report. Excuse me, but this racism angle is a two-way street. Look at the bigot who endorsed him: Minister Louis Farrahkan.

    Look at what people like reverend Wright think about whitey.

    Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble” and the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.

    Obama has total contempt for whitey and America.

  6. Obama is racist

    Well, that is a nice report. Excuse me, but this racism angle is a two-way street. Look at the bigot who endorsed him: Minister Louis Farrahkan.

    Look at what people like reverend Wright think about whitey.

    Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble” and the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.

    Obama has total contempt for whitey and America.

  7. Obama is racist

    Well, that is a nice report. Excuse me, but this racism angle is a two-way street. Look at the bigot who endorsed him: Minister Louis Farrahkan.

    Look at what people like reverend Wright think about whitey.

    Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble” and the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.

    Obama has total contempt for whitey and America.

  8. Obama is racist

    Well, that is a nice report. Excuse me, but this racism angle is a two-way street. Look at the bigot who endorsed him: Minister Louis Farrahkan.

    Look at what people like reverend Wright think about whitey.

    Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble” and the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.

    Obama has total contempt for whitey and America.

  9. Anonymous

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    Because they saw what George Bush did in the past two elections. At least the Democrats are learning. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Thanks for wondering.

  10. Anonymous

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    Because they saw what George Bush did in the past two elections. At least the Democrats are learning. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Thanks for wondering.

  11. Anonymous

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    Because they saw what George Bush did in the past two elections. At least the Democrats are learning. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Thanks for wondering.

  12. Anonymous

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    Because they saw what George Bush did in the past two elections. At least the Democrats are learning. Immitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    Thanks for wondering.

  13. Anonymous

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

  14. Anonymous

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

  15. Anonymous

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

  16. Anonymous

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

  17. mike harrington

    DPD, thanks for posting the image of the piece that was posted by the republicans. i had read about it in the press, but never seen it. the woman who posted it was quoted as saying it was just about food … and she did not realize the racial connotations.

    now that i have seen the image … all i can say is the woman and her friends are lying bigots.

    and mccain’s campaign is fostering this kind of stuff.

    i grew up in the deep south, and i know exactly what it means to put fried chicken and watermelon next to the image of a black person.

    well, when i was a UCD undergraduate, I think i remember one of the local restaurants being called “Sambos” with an image of a smiling black cartoon character. I know tht Memphis had those places for years.

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

  18. mike harrington

    DPD, thanks for posting the image of the piece that was posted by the republicans. i had read about it in the press, but never seen it. the woman who posted it was quoted as saying it was just about food … and she did not realize the racial connotations.

    now that i have seen the image … all i can say is the woman and her friends are lying bigots.

    and mccain’s campaign is fostering this kind of stuff.

    i grew up in the deep south, and i know exactly what it means to put fried chicken and watermelon next to the image of a black person.

    well, when i was a UCD undergraduate, I think i remember one of the local restaurants being called “Sambos” with an image of a smiling black cartoon character. I know tht Memphis had those places for years.

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

  19. mike harrington

    DPD, thanks for posting the image of the piece that was posted by the republicans. i had read about it in the press, but never seen it. the woman who posted it was quoted as saying it was just about food … and she did not realize the racial connotations.

    now that i have seen the image … all i can say is the woman and her friends are lying bigots.

    and mccain’s campaign is fostering this kind of stuff.

    i grew up in the deep south, and i know exactly what it means to put fried chicken and watermelon next to the image of a black person.

    well, when i was a UCD undergraduate, I think i remember one of the local restaurants being called “Sambos” with an image of a smiling black cartoon character. I know tht Memphis had those places for years.

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

  20. mike harrington

    DPD, thanks for posting the image of the piece that was posted by the republicans. i had read about it in the press, but never seen it. the woman who posted it was quoted as saying it was just about food … and she did not realize the racial connotations.

    now that i have seen the image … all i can say is the woman and her friends are lying bigots.

    and mccain’s campaign is fostering this kind of stuff.

    i grew up in the deep south, and i know exactly what it means to put fried chicken and watermelon next to the image of a black person.

    well, when i was a UCD undergraduate, I think i remember one of the local restaurants being called “Sambos” with an image of a smiling black cartoon character. I know tht Memphis had those places for years.

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

  21. Anonymous

    “…the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.”

    Ah, I was wondering what being an American meant these days. Okay: driving an SUV. I drive a sedan; I guess that means I’m unAmerican?
    Just think what’d happen, according to this logic if I didn’t drive at all? I’d probably get run out of the country on a rail…Also following the logic here, Palin’s “Pro-America areas” must be those areas paved over by sprawl and thus designed to be inhabited by SUVs. Davis is getting there, but not quite yet. Not till they (Mencken’s “boobeoisie”) pave over Community Park for a condo pod and attendant parking, with no parking allowed on Wednesdays and Saturdays to allow for the Farmers’ Market.

  22. Mike Harrington is a bigot

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    as if the two things are the same.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

    And I am not going to sugar coat it either. You are a bigot. Why? You cannot accept that there are those who disagree with you on proposition 8.

    Good thing your bigotry didn’t propell you to the city council.

  23. Anonymous

    “…the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.”

    Ah, I was wondering what being an American meant these days. Okay: driving an SUV. I drive a sedan; I guess that means I’m unAmerican?
    Just think what’d happen, according to this logic if I didn’t drive at all? I’d probably get run out of the country on a rail…Also following the logic here, Palin’s “Pro-America areas” must be those areas paved over by sprawl and thus designed to be inhabited by SUVs. Davis is getting there, but not quite yet. Not till they (Mencken’s “boobeoisie”) pave over Community Park for a condo pod and attendant parking, with no parking allowed on Wednesdays and Saturdays to allow for the Farmers’ Market.

  24. Mike Harrington is a bigot

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    as if the two things are the same.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

    And I am not going to sugar coat it either. You are a bigot. Why? You cannot accept that there are those who disagree with you on proposition 8.

    Good thing your bigotry didn’t propell you to the city council.

  25. Anonymous

    “…the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.”

    Ah, I was wondering what being an American meant these days. Okay: driving an SUV. I drive a sedan; I guess that means I’m unAmerican?
    Just think what’d happen, according to this logic if I didn’t drive at all? I’d probably get run out of the country on a rail…Also following the logic here, Palin’s “Pro-America areas” must be those areas paved over by sprawl and thus designed to be inhabited by SUVs. Davis is getting there, but not quite yet. Not till they (Mencken’s “boobeoisie”) pave over Community Park for a condo pod and attendant parking, with no parking allowed on Wednesdays and Saturdays to allow for the Farmers’ Market.

  26. Mike Harrington is a bigot

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    as if the two things are the same.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

    And I am not going to sugar coat it either. You are a bigot. Why? You cannot accept that there are those who disagree with you on proposition 8.

    Good thing your bigotry didn’t propell you to the city council.

  27. Anonymous

    “…the rest of the world doesn’t like it when Americans drive SUV’s so we shouldn’t drive SUV’s.”

    Ah, I was wondering what being an American meant these days. Okay: driving an SUV. I drive a sedan; I guess that means I’m unAmerican?
    Just think what’d happen, according to this logic if I didn’t drive at all? I’d probably get run out of the country on a rail…Also following the logic here, Palin’s “Pro-America areas” must be those areas paved over by sprawl and thus designed to be inhabited by SUVs. Davis is getting there, but not quite yet. Not till they (Mencken’s “boobeoisie”) pave over Community Park for a condo pod and attendant parking, with no parking allowed on Wednesdays and Saturdays to allow for the Farmers’ Market.

  28. Mike Harrington is a bigot

    i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots. They may BELIEVE what they write, but so did those bigots who criticized Rosa Parks for holding onto her seat in the front of the bus.

    as if the two things are the same.

    I am not going to sugar coat this, or pretend to be patient and understanding: the 8 supporters are hating bigots.

    And I am not going to sugar coat it either. You are a bigot. Why? You cannot accept that there are those who disagree with you on proposition 8.

    Good thing your bigotry didn’t propell you to the city council.

  29. Obama is racist

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    Actually KKK affiliates are endorsing Obama. Why? Bob Byrd is. He said so.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    I don’t give a damn if she were a Klansman also. Her son still sucks.

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

    The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

  30. Obama is racist

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    Actually KKK affiliates are endorsing Obama. Why? Bob Byrd is. He said so.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    I don’t give a damn if she were a Klansman also. Her son still sucks.

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

    The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

  31. Obama is racist

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    Actually KKK affiliates are endorsing Obama. Why? Bob Byrd is. He said so.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    I don’t give a damn if she were a Klansman also. Her son still sucks.

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

    The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

  32. Obama is racist

    “Look at what Obama thinks about Americans: “America needs to be more humble””

    Wow. You must either be very young or have a very short memory.

    It didn’t seem to be a problem when KKK affiliates endorsed Ronald Reagan back in 1980.

    Actually KKK affiliates are endorsing Obama. Why? Bob Byrd is. He said so.

    You do know that Obama’s mother (who raised him as a single mother) was white?

    I don’t give a damn if she were a Klansman also. Her son still sucks.

    Plus, I always heard that humility was a virtue. You’re saying it isn’t? So we should be arrogant instead?

    The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

  33. Doug Paul Davis

    “How do you know Obama people didn’t plant it to drum up sympathy for him?”

    Because we know they came from a Republican woman’s group.

    Link

    As for Farrakhan, what does him endorsing Obama have to do with Obama’s views on race? I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are. I see you taking no responsibility and making no acknowledgment of that. Instead you post that Obama is racist. What’s that about?

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    McCain said America needed to be “more humble, more inclusive.”

    You ought to check your facts before you post stuff.

  34. Doug Paul Davis

    “How do you know Obama people didn’t plant it to drum up sympathy for him?”

    Because we know they came from a Republican woman’s group.

    Link

    As for Farrakhan, what does him endorsing Obama have to do with Obama’s views on race? I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are. I see you taking no responsibility and making no acknowledgment of that. Instead you post that Obama is racist. What’s that about?

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    McCain said America needed to be “more humble, more inclusive.”

    You ought to check your facts before you post stuff.

  35. Doug Paul Davis

    “How do you know Obama people didn’t plant it to drum up sympathy for him?”

    Because we know they came from a Republican woman’s group.

    Link

    As for Farrakhan, what does him endorsing Obama have to do with Obama’s views on race? I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are. I see you taking no responsibility and making no acknowledgment of that. Instead you post that Obama is racist. What’s that about?

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    McCain said America needed to be “more humble, more inclusive.”

    You ought to check your facts before you post stuff.

  36. Doug Paul Davis

    “How do you know Obama people didn’t plant it to drum up sympathy for him?”

    Because we know they came from a Republican woman’s group.

    Link

    As for Farrakhan, what does him endorsing Obama have to do with Obama’s views on race? I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are. I see you taking no responsibility and making no acknowledgment of that. Instead you post that Obama is racist. What’s that about?

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    McCain said America needed to be “more humble, more inclusive.”

    You ought to check your facts before you post stuff.

  37. Anonymous

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    Actually what I meant to say was Obama said “America needs to show more humility” Why is this bad? Because Obama was asked what “evil was and what should be done about it” and that was his answer. It amounts to “America creates all of the problems”

    I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are.

    Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.

  38. Anonymous

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    Actually what I meant to say was Obama said “America needs to show more humility” Why is this bad? Because Obama was asked what “evil was and what should be done about it” and that was his answer. It amounts to “America creates all of the problems”

    I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are.

    Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.

  39. Anonymous

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    Actually what I meant to say was Obama said “America needs to show more humility” Why is this bad? Because Obama was asked what “evil was and what should be done about it” and that was his answer. It amounts to “America creates all of the problems”

    I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are.

    Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.

  40. Anonymous

    As far as I can tell, Obama never said “America needs to be more humble” In fact, McCain is the one who made the comment in June.

    Actually what I meant to say was Obama said “America needs to show more humility” Why is this bad? Because Obama was asked what “evil was and what should be done about it” and that was his answer. It amounts to “America creates all of the problems”

    I didn’t accuse McCain of racism, but some of these things CLEARLY are.

    Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.

  41. Doug Paul Davis

    “America needs to show more humility”

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

  42. Doug Paul Davis

    “America needs to show more humility”

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

  43. Doug Paul Davis

    “America needs to show more humility”

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

  44. Doug Paul Davis

    “America needs to show more humility”

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

  45. Rich Rifkin

    “i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots.”

    For the record, I strongly oppose Prop 8.

    Just for fun, when I visit various parts of Davis (or other towns) I like to keep a running total of how many signs I see for one side or the other. I have only seen a couple of the yellow Yes on Prop 8 signs (one of those was in Winters, the other was on Temple Drive is East Davis). I’ve also seen a family riding their bikes around town with Yes on 8 signs on their kid carriers. By contrast, I think I’ve seen a hundred or more No on 8 signs in Davis and a dozen or more in Woodland. While I have a feeling 8 is going to pass — something like 52-48 — it won’t pass in Davis or probably in Yolo County.

    Likewise, the number of Obama lawn signs in Davis trumps the McCain signs — I can only think of one that I’ve seen — by hundreds to one. Obama will win Davis, Yolo County and (as all the polls say) our state easily.

  46. Rich Rifkin

    “i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots.”

    For the record, I strongly oppose Prop 8.

    Just for fun, when I visit various parts of Davis (or other towns) I like to keep a running total of how many signs I see for one side or the other. I have only seen a couple of the yellow Yes on Prop 8 signs (one of those was in Winters, the other was on Temple Drive is East Davis). I’ve also seen a family riding their bikes around town with Yes on 8 signs on their kid carriers. By contrast, I think I’ve seen a hundred or more No on 8 signs in Davis and a dozen or more in Woodland. While I have a feeling 8 is going to pass — something like 52-48 — it won’t pass in Davis or probably in Yolo County.

    Likewise, the number of Obama lawn signs in Davis trumps the McCain signs — I can only think of one that I’ve seen — by hundreds to one. Obama will win Davis, Yolo County and (as all the polls say) our state easily.

  47. Rich Rifkin

    “i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots.”

    For the record, I strongly oppose Prop 8.

    Just for fun, when I visit various parts of Davis (or other towns) I like to keep a running total of how many signs I see for one side or the other. I have only seen a couple of the yellow Yes on Prop 8 signs (one of those was in Winters, the other was on Temple Drive is East Davis). I’ve also seen a family riding their bikes around town with Yes on 8 signs on their kid carriers. By contrast, I think I’ve seen a hundred or more No on 8 signs in Davis and a dozen or more in Woodland. While I have a feeling 8 is going to pass — something like 52-48 — it won’t pass in Davis or probably in Yolo County.

    Likewise, the number of Obama lawn signs in Davis trumps the McCain signs — I can only think of one that I’ve seen — by hundreds to one. Obama will win Davis, Yolo County and (as all the polls say) our state easily.

  48. Rich Rifkin

    “i have read the letters in the paper supporting 8, and all I can say about the writers is they are hateful bigots.”

    For the record, I strongly oppose Prop 8.

    Just for fun, when I visit various parts of Davis (or other towns) I like to keep a running total of how many signs I see for one side or the other. I have only seen a couple of the yellow Yes on Prop 8 signs (one of those was in Winters, the other was on Temple Drive is East Davis). I’ve also seen a family riding their bikes around town with Yes on 8 signs on their kid carriers. By contrast, I think I’ve seen a hundred or more No on 8 signs in Davis and a dozen or more in Woodland. While I have a feeling 8 is going to pass — something like 52-48 — it won’t pass in Davis or probably in Yolo County.

    Likewise, the number of Obama lawn signs in Davis trumps the McCain signs — I can only think of one that I’ve seen — by hundreds to one. Obama will win Davis, Yolo County and (as all the polls say) our state easily.

  49. Anonymous

    “Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    I’d like to see the quote of where DPD even remotely called McCain a racist.

  50. Anonymous

    “Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    I’d like to see the quote of where DPD even remotely called McCain a racist.

  51. Anonymous

    “Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    I’d like to see the quote of where DPD even remotely called McCain a racist.

  52. Anonymous

    “Of course not. That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    I’d like to see the quote of where DPD even remotely called McCain a racist.

  53. i love america

    “The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.”

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    As for what Obama said or didn’t say, you make a rather dramatic jump of logic, there. It would be impossible to consider how we could be better as a nation without succombing to your criticism of being self-loathing.

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

  54. i love america

    “The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.”

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    As for what Obama said or didn’t say, you make a rather dramatic jump of logic, there. It would be impossible to consider how we could be better as a nation without succombing to your criticism of being self-loathing.

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

  55. i love america

    “The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.”

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    As for what Obama said or didn’t say, you make a rather dramatic jump of logic, there. It would be impossible to consider how we could be better as a nation without succombing to your criticism of being self-loathing.

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

  56. i love america

    “The implication with the statement is that AMERICA IS ARROGANT, and therefore needs to show humility because of it. That is an indirect way Obama calls his country arrogant. That makes him an America hater and a bigot. Dislike for the very people who vote for him. In that regard, Obama has more in common with Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.”

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    As for what Obama said or didn’t say, you make a rather dramatic jump of logic, there. It would be impossible to consider how we could be better as a nation without succombing to your criticism of being self-loathing.

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

  57. He said it.

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    That is exactly what Obama said when he was talking in the first presidential debate. He was asked what evil was and if we negotiate with it defeat it or whatever. Obama said child abuse was evil and he said Genocide was evil (but not international terrorism of course) then he said “I think we need to show more humility” He did say this I remember him saying it. I listened to him 2x saying this.

  58. He said it.

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    That is exactly what Obama said when he was talking in the first presidential debate. He was asked what evil was and if we negotiate with it defeat it or whatever. Obama said child abuse was evil and he said Genocide was evil (but not international terrorism of course) then he said “I think we need to show more humility” He did say this I remember him saying it. I listened to him 2x saying this.

  59. He said it.

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    That is exactly what Obama said when he was talking in the first presidential debate. He was asked what evil was and if we negotiate with it defeat it or whatever. Obama said child abuse was evil and he said Genocide was evil (but not international terrorism of course) then he said “I think we need to show more humility” He did say this I remember him saying it. I listened to him 2x saying this.

  60. He said it.

    Obama didn’t say that either.

    That is exactly what Obama said when he was talking in the first presidential debate. He was asked what evil was and if we negotiate with it defeat it or whatever. Obama said child abuse was evil and he said Genocide was evil (but not international terrorism of course) then he said “I think we need to show more humility” He did say this I remember him saying it. I listened to him 2x saying this.

  61. What the hell?

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    Umm, I think you just proved my point with this statement. You attack america just as Obama does.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    Have you interviewed those Shiites? Can you speak for them and what they want?

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Excuse me, but do our enemies ever do introspection? Does Ackmedjack
    do this? U and Obama don’t seem to care about that.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.

    #1. A terrorist sympathizer running for president gets endorsed by a major political party

    #2. America gets blamed for 9/11 while our enemies who caused it don’t

    #3. We haven’t drilled for oil in Anwr

    #4. We bought into global warming

    #5. We took too damned long ousting Hussein

    #6. We haven’t Nuked Iran

    #7. We kiss the behinds of the UN

    #8. Hollywood still exists.

    #9. We haven’t sealed off the borders

    Anything I miss?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

    Yes, he has. He says enough positive things for public consumption and to solicit votes from people he needs to elect him and his anti-american white hating posse of friends.

  62. What the hell?

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    Umm, I think you just proved my point with this statement. You attack america just as Obama does.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    Have you interviewed those Shiites? Can you speak for them and what they want?

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Excuse me, but do our enemies ever do introspection? Does Ackmedjack
    do this? U and Obama don’t seem to care about that.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.

    #1. A terrorist sympathizer running for president gets endorsed by a major political party

    #2. America gets blamed for 9/11 while our enemies who caused it don’t

    #3. We haven’t drilled for oil in Anwr

    #4. We bought into global warming

    #5. We took too damned long ousting Hussein

    #6. We haven’t Nuked Iran

    #7. We kiss the behinds of the UN

    #8. Hollywood still exists.

    #9. We haven’t sealed off the borders

    Anything I miss?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

    Yes, he has. He says enough positive things for public consumption and to solicit votes from people he needs to elect him and his anti-american white hating posse of friends.

  63. What the hell?

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    Umm, I think you just proved my point with this statement. You attack america just as Obama does.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    Have you interviewed those Shiites? Can you speak for them and what they want?

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Excuse me, but do our enemies ever do introspection? Does Ackmedjack
    do this? U and Obama don’t seem to care about that.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.

    #1. A terrorist sympathizer running for president gets endorsed by a major political party

    #2. America gets blamed for 9/11 while our enemies who caused it don’t

    #3. We haven’t drilled for oil in Anwr

    #4. We bought into global warming

    #5. We took too damned long ousting Hussein

    #6. We haven’t Nuked Iran

    #7. We kiss the behinds of the UN

    #8. Hollywood still exists.

    #9. We haven’t sealed off the borders

    Anything I miss?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

    Yes, he has. He says enough positive things for public consumption and to solicit votes from people he needs to elect him and his anti-american white hating posse of friends.

  64. What the hell?

    America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.

    Umm, I think you just proved my point with this statement. You attack america just as Obama does.

    George Bush says we’re in Iraq to establish democracy there. I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.

    Have you interviewed those Shiites? Can you speak for them and what they want?

    I thought that kind of introspection was a good trait to have.

    Excuse me, but do our enemies ever do introspection? Does Ackmedjack
    do this? U and Obama don’t seem to care about that.

    Perhaps you, like President Bush, can’t think of any mistakes that we’ve made in the past eight years?

    Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.

    #1. A terrorist sympathizer running for president gets endorsed by a major political party

    #2. America gets blamed for 9/11 while our enemies who caused it don’t

    #3. We haven’t drilled for oil in Anwr

    #4. We bought into global warming

    #5. We took too damned long ousting Hussein

    #6. We haven’t Nuked Iran

    #7. We kiss the behinds of the UN

    #8. Hollywood still exists.

    #9. We haven’t sealed off the borders

    Anything I miss?

    For the record, Obama has also said plenty of positive things about America, but I suppose we should ignore those? I’m sure Obama loves America.

    Yes, he has. He says enough positive things for public consumption and to solicit votes from people he needs to elect him and his anti-american white hating posse of friends.

  65. Rich Rifkin

    “I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.”

    This may well be true. If it is, what kind of government do you think most Iraqi Shi’a would prefer?

    “America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.”

    Arrogant is the right word — so I agree. However, is it not possible, or even likely, that a somewhat decentralized secular democracy would be the best government for Iraq, even if most Iraqis don’t yet agree?

    My own take is that the war itself has been more bad for the United States than for Iraq or Iraqis (despite the fact that Iraqi deaths have been far, far larger in number than American deaths). And despite Bush’s intentions of establishing a secular democracy, the people of Iraq, on the whole, are not likely to be able to sustain a democracy once we leave, because of the serious sectarian strife and because of Iraq’s underdeveloped economy and weak national social institutions.

  66. Rich Rifkin

    “I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.”

    This may well be true. If it is, what kind of government do you think most Iraqi Shi’a would prefer?

    “America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.”

    Arrogant is the right word — so I agree. However, is it not possible, or even likely, that a somewhat decentralized secular democracy would be the best government for Iraq, even if most Iraqis don’t yet agree?

    My own take is that the war itself has been more bad for the United States than for Iraq or Iraqis (despite the fact that Iraqi deaths have been far, far larger in number than American deaths). And despite Bush’s intentions of establishing a secular democracy, the people of Iraq, on the whole, are not likely to be able to sustain a democracy once we leave, because of the serious sectarian strife and because of Iraq’s underdeveloped economy and weak national social institutions.

  67. Rich Rifkin

    “I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.”

    This may well be true. If it is, what kind of government do you think most Iraqi Shi’a would prefer?

    “America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.”

    Arrogant is the right word — so I agree. However, is it not possible, or even likely, that a somewhat decentralized secular democracy would be the best government for Iraq, even if most Iraqis don’t yet agree?

    My own take is that the war itself has been more bad for the United States than for Iraq or Iraqis (despite the fact that Iraqi deaths have been far, far larger in number than American deaths). And despite Bush’s intentions of establishing a secular democracy, the people of Iraq, on the whole, are not likely to be able to sustain a democracy once we leave, because of the serious sectarian strife and because of Iraq’s underdeveloped economy and weak national social institutions.

  68. Rich Rifkin

    “I seriously doubt that the majority Shiites are interested in the kind of democracy Bush has in mind.”

    This may well be true. If it is, what kind of government do you think most Iraqi Shi’a would prefer?

    “America is arrogant when its government thinks it knows what type of government is best for other countries.”

    Arrogant is the right word — so I agree. However, is it not possible, or even likely, that a somewhat decentralized secular democracy would be the best government for Iraq, even if most Iraqis don’t yet agree?

    My own take is that the war itself has been more bad for the United States than for Iraq or Iraqis (despite the fact that Iraqi deaths have been far, far larger in number than American deaths). And despite Bush’s intentions of establishing a secular democracy, the people of Iraq, on the whole, are not likely to be able to sustain a democracy once we leave, because of the serious sectarian strife and because of Iraq’s underdeveloped economy and weak national social institutions.

  69. Wrong.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

    No, but I read your other article. That was the insinuation you made when certain Mc-Cain supporters shouted things you thought were racist at one of the rallies he was at and blamed McCain for not speaking against it. The inference was there.

  70. Wrong.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

    No, but I read your other article. That was the insinuation you made when certain Mc-Cain supporters shouted things you thought were racist at one of the rallies he was at and blamed McCain for not speaking against it. The inference was there.

  71. Wrong.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

    No, but I read your other article. That was the insinuation you made when certain Mc-Cain supporters shouted things you thought were racist at one of the rallies he was at and blamed McCain for not speaking against it. The inference was there.

  72. Wrong.

    “That was clearly not the direction you were headed either. You wouldn’t dream of calling McCain a racist ever. Of course not. Wouldn’t cross your mind.”

    And I don’t think you read my article if you are saying that.

    No, but I read your other article. That was the insinuation you made when certain Mc-Cain supporters shouted things you thought were racist at one of the rallies he was at and blamed McCain for not speaking against it. The inference was there.

  73. Anonymous

    “Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.” etc.

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?

    So anti-American of you! As if foreign countries weren’t doing this to us enough already! Even Barack Obama wouldn’t be this critical of America.

    Have you lost your sense of patriotism and honor for America?

    You are behaving as a self-loathing conservative who can’t stand that the Republican party has lost its moorings in recent years.

    Republicans used to be against nation-building. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against big government. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against deficit spending. Not any more.

    These Republican values used to be considered all-American in past elections. It all rings hollow right now.

  74. Anonymous

    “Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.” etc.

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?

    So anti-American of you! As if foreign countries weren’t doing this to us enough already! Even Barack Obama wouldn’t be this critical of America.

    Have you lost your sense of patriotism and honor for America?

    You are behaving as a self-loathing conservative who can’t stand that the Republican party has lost its moorings in recent years.

    Republicans used to be against nation-building. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against big government. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against deficit spending. Not any more.

    These Republican values used to be considered all-American in past elections. It all rings hollow right now.

  75. Anonymous

    “Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.” etc.

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?

    So anti-American of you! As if foreign countries weren’t doing this to us enough already! Even Barack Obama wouldn’t be this critical of America.

    Have you lost your sense of patriotism and honor for America?

    You are behaving as a self-loathing conservative who can’t stand that the Republican party has lost its moorings in recent years.

    Republicans used to be against nation-building. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against big government. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against deficit spending. Not any more.

    These Republican values used to be considered all-American in past elections. It all rings hollow right now.

  76. Anonymous

    “Yes. There have been mistakes made in the last eight years. I will name them.” etc.

    WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING?

    So anti-American of you! As if foreign countries weren’t doing this to us enough already! Even Barack Obama wouldn’t be this critical of America.

    Have you lost your sense of patriotism and honor for America?

    You are behaving as a self-loathing conservative who can’t stand that the Republican party has lost its moorings in recent years.

    Republicans used to be against nation-building. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against big government. Not any more.

    Republicans used to be against deficit spending. Not any more.

    These Republican values used to be considered all-American in past elections. It all rings hollow right now.

  77. David M. Greenwald

    Would the media make a big deal about this if it were McCain–probably.

    But why?

    What is different about Obama from other high rollers is the type of contributions.

    Obama raised 150 MILLION last month.

    But here is the breakdown of it:

    * 632,000 new donors last month alone.
    * 3.1 million donors thus far.
    * Average contribution for the month is still under $100 ($86).
    * Retirees and students are the two groups which have given the most contributions.

    AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION was $86–isn’t that amazing? When Bush raised all that money he was doing it with maximum contributions. That’s the difference. This isn’t an attempt by monied interests to take over the process, it is a mass based level of normal people wanting to take back their government. It’s just not the same thing. And unless you get that, you will jump to media bias assertions.

  78. David M. Greenwald

    Would the media make a big deal about this if it were McCain–probably.

    But why?

    What is different about Obama from other high rollers is the type of contributions.

    Obama raised 150 MILLION last month.

    But here is the breakdown of it:

    * 632,000 new donors last month alone.
    * 3.1 million donors thus far.
    * Average contribution for the month is still under $100 ($86).
    * Retirees and students are the two groups which have given the most contributions.

    AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION was $86–isn’t that amazing? When Bush raised all that money he was doing it with maximum contributions. That’s the difference. This isn’t an attempt by monied interests to take over the process, it is a mass based level of normal people wanting to take back their government. It’s just not the same thing. And unless you get that, you will jump to media bias assertions.

  79. David M. Greenwald

    Would the media make a big deal about this if it were McCain–probably.

    But why?

    What is different about Obama from other high rollers is the type of contributions.

    Obama raised 150 MILLION last month.

    But here is the breakdown of it:

    * 632,000 new donors last month alone.
    * 3.1 million donors thus far.
    * Average contribution for the month is still under $100 ($86).
    * Retirees and students are the two groups which have given the most contributions.

    AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION was $86–isn’t that amazing? When Bush raised all that money he was doing it with maximum contributions. That’s the difference. This isn’t an attempt by monied interests to take over the process, it is a mass based level of normal people wanting to take back their government. It’s just not the same thing. And unless you get that, you will jump to media bias assertions.

  80. David M. Greenwald

    Would the media make a big deal about this if it were McCain–probably.

    But why?

    What is different about Obama from other high rollers is the type of contributions.

    Obama raised 150 MILLION last month.

    But here is the breakdown of it:

    * 632,000 new donors last month alone.
    * 3.1 million donors thus far.
    * Average contribution for the month is still under $100 ($86).
    * Retirees and students are the two groups which have given the most contributions.

    AVERAGE CONTRIBUTION was $86–isn’t that amazing? When Bush raised all that money he was doing it with maximum contributions. That’s the difference. This isn’t an attempt by monied interests to take over the process, it is a mass based level of normal people wanting to take back their government. It’s just not the same thing. And unless you get that, you will jump to media bias assertions.

  81. Anonymous

    anon 10:32

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    It is because McCain has courageously stepped in to fill that roll: check this out.

  82. Anonymous

    anon 10:32

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    It is because McCain has courageously stepped in to fill that roll: check this out.

  83. Anonymous

    anon 10:32

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    It is because McCain has courageously stepped in to fill that roll: check this out.

  84. Anonymous

    anon 10:32

    “If McCain had four times as much money as Obama, do you think the media and many liberals would be crying foul and saying that they system needs to be changed and the reason and the only reason the Republican won was because he had so much more money? It’s funny I have not heard this complaint this year from the liberals. I wonder why.”

    It is because McCain has courageously stepped in to fill that roll: check this out.

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